A Bombshell May Be Coming In The Russia Investigation - Witness To Tell Mueller That Trump Knew Of Trump Tower Meeting In Advance
A Bombshell May Be Coming In The Russia Investigation - Witness To Tell Mueller That Trump Knew Of Trump Tower Meeting In Advance
CNN is reporting that Michael Cohen will say that he was present when Donald Trump was told in advance of key meeting at Trump Tower where dirt was offered on Hillary Clinton, and Trump gave the meeting his approval.
Such information would lock in an obstruction of justice charge.
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Hmmmmm. Lanny Davis, Cohen's lawyer now says that this story is being leaked by the White House.
The WH has leaked other things in an attempt to undermine them as an issue, but this one doesn't serve Trump's interest. However I doubt that Cohen leaked it given that it's in his interest to preserve credibility as a witness for Mueller.
Anything he say's he needs to corroborate, lest he be composing BS to save himself. As for Mueller, he dumped this off did he not? I don't think he would have done that if there was anything there he could hang Trump with. Mueller is heading for filing a report unless he can goad the President into a perjury trap.
The relevant phrase here is "cui bono" and it's not in Cohen's interest for this to be made public. Quite likely it was Trump and his attorneys since they've already leaked info on at least one other occassion in order to defuse its impact.
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Mueller is actually free to prosecute any crimes he discovers during his investigation, but I suspect he handed off most of the stuff to the NYC office because they're used to dealing with mobsters. I'm sure he's monitoring what the NYC office turns up to see if it's relevant.
Also note that Trump and his representatives have repeatedly lied about what he knew and when he knew it in regards to the Trump campaign's meeting with Russian spies. So the odds are very high that this report about what Cohen knew is correct since it's clear that Trump is trying to hide something.
Then why did you tell us that it dosen't serve Trump's interest in Post #1.1 ? Which is it?
Mueller is actually free to prosecute any crimes he discovers during his investigation
Why was he allowed all that leeway?
Also note that Trump and his representatives have repeatedly lied
What Iv'e noticed is that his gut reaction has been right every time, starting with his realization that his campaign was spied upon.
( Deleted ) Trump probably leaked it to defuse the issue but it's still very bad news for him that the public now knows he was deliberately conspiring with Russian spies and not merely trying to cover up that meeting after the fact by dictating bogus press releases.
Lol....Anytime you want to bet on that I'm right here. I already have one bet going.
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Cohen serves the FBI now. Couldn't happen to a bigger asshole. Trump's fall from glory comes next.
I could even see him falling
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from a Glory
Hole as well
If this story turns out to be inaccurate I will delete it.
At least provide a link....
I read something today on the pathetic attempt by the snowflakes in there quest to delegitimize the Trump Presidency and what a joke it is.
I will try to post it one of these times.
It does point out how silly the left is being.
You are scaring me. lol.
It will all come out soon.
so no link?
don't pee your pants, i will post links
Pull your panties out of your crotch.
If you make a outlandish statement in a post with no backing what is the purpose?
Trying to start a snowstorm with snowflakes?
It is understandable that you are left babbling at this news. What else can you say?
It will be interesting to see if Ivanka Trump will perjure herself for her father.
(CNN) Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton, sources with knowledge tell CNN. Cohen is willing to make that assertion to special counsel Robert Mueller, the sources said.
Don Jr committed perjury and will be going to jail.
Only if the GOP-controlled Congress is willing to file charges.
They will be just as willing as the Dems were to convict Bill Clinton of perjury.
So it should be no shock at all.
I heard about it on my local news this morning! And on the radio coming in this morning! Do you listen to the news at all?
Here you go, Sport:
And as far as your comment re left-leaning foolishness, I guess Pizzagate escaped your memory. There was a poster who actually believed that ridiculous bullshit. And she also believed that once the Enquirer wrote that Obama was gay that it was in Obama's court, thus he had to PROVE he wasn't gay. I don't think I've laughed that hard since, and I have giggled plenty hard at a lot of shit. She actually believed it. So, by her train of thought, I could say she killed kittens and ate them dipped in litter and she would have to prove she didn't. What a fun day that was. Yep ... she was that stupid. Unbelievable.
Was that our favorite gal from New Jersey?
Crunchy on the outside and in the center, soft and squeeky in between. Yum!
Yes it was. I think her gay friend turned her though. She's claiming to be a man now. And surprisingly, she's adamant that she's a man ... like no one knows the truth. I felt sorry for her gay friend sorta. He was deathly afraid of being found out ... like we all knew he had gay porn in the trunk of his car. I have never, never, ever, ever known a sexually secure straight man to be so vehement about hating gays. We all know that those who protest too much are just self-loathing closeted gay men. They hide their guilt at being titillated at being with another man by insisting how much they hate gays. Sexually secure straight men don't have that insecurity shit goin' on. Never.
OMIGAWD!!! FRIGGIN' HILARIOUS!
Thought so...sounds like something she would say. She is that stupid
And even tastier with horseradish mustard
And Trout:
You know I love you gals, right? I mean, not in a lesbian way. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I love how you say what I'm thinking, and remember all the dumb shit nasty people have pulled, and are so sly about reminding everyone that they're still nasty people, still here, and still pulling dumb shit.
Cobalt and I have way too much fun when we're together.
We love you, too, Sandy, and if I went that way I'd do you. LOL!
Hell, Sandy, I've girl crushed on you AND Giggles all over the place. And I'm straighter than straight. But I am sapiosexual, and when a woman has intellect and a well-developed sense of humor going for her, I can't help but get girl crushes.
Sorry to butt in here because I really don't give a crap any politician these days regardless of who they are or where they CLAIM to stand.
I just saw the horseradish mustard comment on the front page. Now that is worth discussing.
You, Sir, have your priorities in the right order!
LOL!
Nope. Mueller can prosecute him under
There is NO DOUBT that Mueller has the transcript and NO DOUBT at this point that Cohen and others were present in a meeting that included Trump when Don Jr. told daddy about the Russian meeting BEFORE it happened and that Trump authorized the meeting.
Game, set, match. Jr. is DONE.
So now the question becomes, will daddy let him take the fall or will he give up now and try to save his kid, who after all was acting at Trump's bidding and on his behalf.
Thank you.
I am learning to focus on the good things in life.
Beats the heck out of tourettes attacks.
Thanks! Somehow I thought that could happen only if there were a referral from Congress.
Not surprising that two fine dames get along with each other.
Aww...you're so sweet.
Says you who backs Trumplethinskin. The Snowflake King. He's the world's biggest pussy. Can't own his statements. He'd throw his mother under the bus. There's a word that describes him to a tee: StupidFragileCallousSexistExtraBraggadocious. Plus he wants to fuck his own daughter. Incestuous Lying Traitor.
Wannabe incestuous.
I hope.
You're right. Again. I'm confident Ivanka perishes the thought. But you're right ... incestuous does primarily imply that one has engaged in it. But I was fast and loose [wait ... what?] and I leaned upon the least of the three descriptions in the definition in dictionary.com. My bad. I just get annoyed that no one in his base even remotely acknowledges that he repeatedly spoke of his daughter in lecherous terms. Disgusting that I think the least offensive of his comments was [paraphrase]: "sure, Howard Stern, you may call my daughter a piece of ass."
Thanks Sandy. I need you around ... can I be your wing girl? Oooooh ...! Can Giggles AND I be your wingbabes???? Omigawd ... that'd be soooo much fun ...
Holy shit ... I just saw this and I'm laughin' pretty damned hard! See ... a man [or woman named Dave] telling the fuckin' truth and standing behind it. I love it. Why can't Trump do that??!? That's why I love my newish boyfriend ... he will tell the truth even if he's scared to, and if he says something, he fuckin' totally owns it. THAT'S a man!
Gawd! Can you imagine how much puking she does when he talks to her and then locks himself in the bathroom and she knows he's yanking his johnson thinking about her?
Ya know? It's funny that when that reference is made, unlike us, one has to go back a series of names to arrive at who we're discussing.
They keep changing their screen names to run away from their lying bullshit, develop another name and start the cycle all over again.
Case in point was jonathon, who recently left again under another fairly famous name here and seems to have surfaced again.
Remember another? The douche that rejoiced his mother had died and he was inheriting huge money with his "goodbye suckers" post only to resurface as icantresistit, or imnotnotorgasmic, iconqueefalot.....
And he's again here with us posing as a much less interesting fish we already have.
Anyone up for mexican food? Another long, lost whiner from way back.
LOL. Glad you got a laugh out of that.
I am a guy named Dave and I hate where our politics are these days.
Don't take offense, but those lovely "Girls" in my avatar kept me going especially this past year in particular. Don't call them women, or be prepared to duck. From their originating culture a woman is an old convalescing person. They are girls, their Moms are girls and their Grandmothers are girls. I am officially house trained regarding those facts.
That's a waste of time. He/she will just ignore them.
Frankly, I'm sick of the changing screen names. At least have the balls to say who you were formerly instead of acting like you're brand new here
I think Jonathon is lurking behind a new screen name, too.
I agree but that shit is hardly exclusive to the right only. There are left leaners here admittedly doing the same thing. So it's not just a left or right thing. Its more of a troll thing.
And most trolls are really just little pussies ...... acting out from behind the safety of their keyboards and name changes.
Pathetic fuckers, one and all.
Name one lefty who's done it.
Yeah, i mean really.
Just ball it up in a big liberal turd-ball, throw it at a wall and see what sticks.
Right?
Play your game with someone else. You know damn well some who have done just that. You're buddies with some of them.
Yep, can't name one can ya?
Not here butt on another site Don Leo Nardo was temporarily in The Witless Protection Program.
There are a few characters I have known here and on other sites by so many guises I lost track...
I'm sorry for participating in a derail. You are correct though, it is preponderantly a rightie thang.
Some trolls are like herpes.. They always come back. The worst of them we all recognize by now...
The desperation of some righties as Trump and Co circle the bowl is hilarious. So, pop some corn.
I suppose those who have been pushing Pure-D Russian propaganda would want to shed guises...
I'm not playing any games. I asked you a question which you apparently can't answer because you don't have one.
I like chips and beer.
Sure you are. So your assertion is that only people on the right have sockpuppets here eh? I've caught people on the left here doing it and you know it.
Do you have sockpuppets here, you or "Tessylo"
I didn't say anybody had a sock puppet. That is frowned on here and Perri zaps those right away.
What I said is that there are certain people who constantly change their screen names. There's a big difference between changing your screen name and having a sock puppet.
And if Tessy or I had a sock puppet neither one of us would be members of NT any longer. I can guarantee you that.
My ancient Mom has a good bottle of bubbly chilled in anticipation of her Trump Take-Off Patry...
What is most stunning is how deeply in denial Trumpsters are regarding Trump's dire situation.
It looks more and more like Trump's only defense will be, "We all colluded with Russians. So what?"
When told of Russian dirt of HRC Trump said, "Oh, politics as usual". No it is not. It is a high crime.
Okay bad choice of words, let me rephrase ..... so are you trying to assert that no one who leans left is trying to hide their identity with name changes here on NT?
My buddies that came over from the Vine are still using the same names they used there. So, I really have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Its a simple question.
Not going to answer it?
I did answer your question. Now who's playing games?
Ok....you have fun playing with yourself. I want to do a math problem
I must have missed that. Where?
Trout answered it here,
Now, in case you miss it again, try this, I used gmross on the vine, check out my name now, GALEN MARVIN ROSS or, gmross.
OK everyone calm down.
Yes people can change their names here, but it is not done often. In fact, I can only think of two members who have done this recently. Furthermore, if I suspect a double account, I check. If I find one, you are out of here.
Most of the ex viners have kept their names, but I didn't make that a requirement as I realize that some of you might have wanted a clean start.
As of right now. everyone is on the up and up.
Now please end this meta. It is not fair to the seeder.
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BREAKING: Lanny Davis on Cohen Trump Tower meeting news: "I have to wonder why the Trump people would put that out. It was not from us."
"Slowly they turn. Step by step. Inch by inch. Then POW", they'll hit Trump with those high crimes and misdemeanor...
It will come down to, "Yes we colluded with Russians to subvert the US election butt we were all too dumb to know it".
JUST IN: Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen asserts Donald Trump knew about the 2016 Trump Tower meeting in advance and was told by his son, Donald Trump Jr., before it happened, a knowledgeable source tells @ NBCNews
If Trump knew in advance of that meeting he is guilty of obstruction of justice, at the least.
Please explain.
The June meeting is under investigation by US law enforcement. Donald Trump has tried to shut down that investigation and that elenet of the investigation by claiming he had no knowledge of it.
If they have evidence that trump knew of the meeting in real time, he will be charged with obstruction of justice. Whether Mueller will say it has to take place after the impeachment is another matter.
Donald Trump has tried to shut down that investigation
No he hasn't
and that elenet of the investigation by claiming he had no knowledge of it.
Did Trump order Mueller to stop investigating it? Has Trump in any way stopped Mueller from doing whatever he wants?
Of course not.
ey have evidence that trump knew of the meeting in real time, he will be charged with obstruction of justic
Lying to the press, which is what this would be if Cohen is telling the truth, is not a crime.
In order to obstruct justice, you actually have to try and obstruct it.
Do you think Obama obstructed justice when he lied to the Press about not knowing that Hillary used a private email server while she was being investigated? Of course you don't.
Obama wasnt a subject of that investigation.
Not that being a "subject" of an investigation makes you criminally responsible for every lie you tell, but Trump wasn't a subject of an investigation either when he made that statement. In fact the head of the FBI had personally told him three times a few months before that he wasn't under investigation.
Article of Impeachment for Nixon, section 8:
And section 9 for 'extra credit'
BTW, you don't seem to too worried about Don Jr. who LIED to Congress.
The investigation was originally being conducted by Comey, he fired Comey after Comey refused to say that Trump wasn't under investigation and, then admitted to Lester Holt that was the reason he fired Comey.
In spite of the fact that there have a number of indictments in the investigation and, a number of guilty pleas in the investigation Trump continues to call the investigation a witch hunt.
Trump has admitted that he authored the memo to Mueller that his son put out as what happened during the meeting, that has proven to be a lie and, could possibly be obstruction. Not only that but, Trump was advised by the FBI that if his campaign or, ANY MEMBER OF HIS CAMPAIGN, was contacted by the Russians or, any other foreign actor they were to contact the FBI right away, THEY never did.
Refer to my paragraph above.
This isn't about Obama or, Hillary soooo,
And there we are, folks: the perfection of complete reality disconnect.
It could be that your Shitbag isn't that stupid (although it's possible he might just be that stupid try to do that by firing Rosenstein and replacing him with someone who will do just that). If so, that will blow up like an atomic bomb in Shitbag's face. But, it doesn't even require that much of a bone-head move. Shitbag's already quite clearly on a desperate, frantic tear to try to discredit and attack Mueller in the press. Here's the definition of obstruction of justice with the key word highlighted:
Trump's problem is that not only have a number of real witches been revealed but with the Twit-in-Chief it's like shooting witches in a barrel. Rarely have so many so freely confessed to obstruction of justice, treason, lying to the FBI and other crimes. "Russia, if you're listening please commit computer crimes against my opponent."
A/K/A The Ku Klux Koven, Putin's Puppets and The Family or Moscow on the Potomac...
This just in the story will go nowhere like the rest of these stories
in your imagination
Cohen already testified under oath before the House and Senate. Did he lie then? Or is he lying now?
Gee, in 2017 he was on the "ins" with Trump and had many reasons to lie for Trump.
Now he no longer has those reasons.
Of course the entire case cannot be based on Cohen, but it is said other people were present when Don Jr told his father about the upcoming meeting. Mueller will find those people and get them to tell the truth. It will go downhill fast now for the trump family.
And now he has many reasons to lie for Mueller to help himself.
Good luck with a perjurer for a star witness.
It all really comes down to one thing...which liar is more credible.. trump or Cohen?
Cohen has tapes. But then again, Trump doesn't have the cojones to stand behind his statements. He never owns his statements. "I meant 'wouldn't' ... " Trump is falling all over himself and he's making greater and greater mistakes. The only thing he's stood behind is that he finds his daughter hot and would like to fuck her. Oh wait. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "he didn't say 'fuck' ... he said he wanted to date her!"
Please. Spare me.
Hey, Good-Looking! Damn glad to see you here!
If trump's lips are moving he's lying
... or suckin' Putin's peewee. Hell, we could watch the video of that and he would tweet, "who are you going to believe?? Me or your lyin' eyes??"
I don't know what's worse ... watching him pandering to Putin or knowing that some Russians have implied they have a tape of Trump being pissed on.
So you must have evidence that they asked him about his knowledge of the TT Russia meeting? Transcript link please.
Hilarious. Transcript ... ha! Have ANY transcripts been made public yet? Seems to me you should know that any transcripts would have to be vetted and scrutinized before any publication. Why don't you guys know this stuff? Are people being purposely obtuse because the Liar-In-Chief can't explain anything. And if he's so innocent, why does he try to negate anything? Why doesn't he insist that it go forward in order to prove his innocence to the American people? If it were me and I were totally innocent, I'd be shouting from the rooftops "I welcome any investigation. I will hold up to any scrutiny. This is what America is about; truth. Truth any way you can find it."
Why isn't he saying that?
Nunes said he'd vote to release the McCabe transcript in February but then we'd be able to confirm that the quote the GOP included in their memo was fabricated by Nunes' sycophant minions. Of course as the Chairman of the Committee, he seems to be having an issue bring that little transcript thing up for a vote...
I asked for a transcript because as you can see, the member made a proclamation about the content of Cohen's testimony to the Congressional hearings which he basically pulled out of his ass. He has no more idea what Cohen said in closed session than you or I do. It's like chest thumping monkeys throwing shit at the wall.
The vast majority of the 'fraternity' will just spew a proclamation and when challenged, run for cover. There are few here that actually debate in good faith using facts and links.
BTW, cobalt, I was a member in good standing, under a different handle, in SIN and BUTT HEADS for years. I'm a little disappointed that you were so serious in your reply. You didn't talk dirty at all...
I guess we'll find out soon enough. Either way he'd be in deep shit and very interested in cooperating with the prosecution, wouldn't he?
Slowly they turn. Step by step. Inch by Inch. Then POW! Spelled I M P E A C H M E N T. It is about time...
Amen JBB! Here is my fear though... What will trump do this time to distract and deflect? WWIII? I wouldn't put it past him. Remember, trumps ego comes before EVERYTHING else. He is dangerously close the being exposed for the traitor he is, it's anyone's guess as to what that moron will do to protect that paper thin ego.
Trump was not given the sobriquet of being, "The Original Short Fingered Vulgarian". He earned that title...
LMAO! Rob Reiner said much the same thing a little bit ago..
He's going to bomb the shit out of Iran for the distraction
I was surprised he allowed the Koreans to return the remains of servicemen. Hell, they were captured and killed instead of captured and tortured. He doesn't think McCain was a hero because he was captured. McCain was captured because he wouldn't leave his men. That concept is totally foreign to the short-fingered lily-livered dunce. He got five deferments and one was for spurs in his foot. It would have been uncomfortable for him to serve. Oh ... and the spurs magically disappeared. Pussy.
That is a good one.
Get that man an Excedrin!
The thing I don't get is why the gop is so intent on purging Republicans from law enforcement. Robert Mueller? A lifelong loyal Republican. James Comey? Dyed in the red wool Republican. Robert Wray? Republican. Rosenstien? Republican. Andrew McCabe? Rock solid Big R Republican. The Justice Department and the FBI are and always have been bastions of conservatism butt if the damn small g gop small r republicans keep purging the remaining Big R Republicans from law enforcement, well, then what? We have to believe with the growing evidence against Trump and Co that the Big R Republicans left in Congress will do what is required...
It's simple
"They're not our kind of republicans, Dear"
I think the GOP is trying to destroy the GOP. More power to them.
Their kind of Republicans arrrre,
You are cracking me up tonight.
Twitter is abuzz tonight John.. Lol
A plain olde over the counter pain reliever isn't gonna relieve Trump's discomfort. He needs a hot enema...
Rudy Giuliani got off the best line of the night
"He's been lying for years" Giuliani bellowed about Cohen. Maybe at the moment Rudy didnt remember that up until a few weeks ago Trump was praising Cohen as a great guy.
Exactly. Amazing how Cohen was, "a great guy with tons of integrity" just a few weeks ago but now he suddenly is a scumbag liar?
He was trumps personal lawyer for 16 years, so trump had scumbag liar as his personal laywer? I think no matter how you spin it, it reflects very poorly on trump, not Cohen, (as much).
If Cohen was "lying for years" then he was lying for Trump.
Lookee here. Basic Trump/Splain.
If Trump said he didn't do it----he did.
If Trump said he did it----he didn't. Of course even these two explanations have a dubious shelf life.
TRMS suggested that the Trump defense team may have 'leaked' this Cohen thing to get ahead of the curve. The curve? Well, sure, what ever that might be. Straw grabbers.
Anyway, Giuliani is already out there saying Cohen is a liar five times over. Well, coming from Giuliani I guess that means something, right?
But, and more importantly, the conversation centering around collusion is now 'old hat.' The new term is collaboration.
I understand the island of Elba is quite nice this time of year. It already has imperial accommodation for Trump.
‘Dead to Each Other’: Team Trump Prepares to ‘Bury’ Michael Cohen , ‘Weakling’ and ‘Traitor’
The 3am tweet storm should be fun.
Hey! That is a double-wide XXXL solid gold crapper that the King of Vulgaria relieves himself upon...
What is want to know is, how does Trump reach is big olde ass to wipe with little bitty short arms?
If you look at him it is evident there is no way he can reach that far. Trump says, "Smell my finger".
You don't think he wipes himself, do you? That's what ass kissers are for.
This proves that donny jr. lied under oath, and that trump not only asked putin for help but accepted help that was offered. No collusion? BULLSHIT! Trumps lying ass is in deep shitski now.
Seriously? "Bombshell we think something MAY happen" LMFAO!!! You can't even make this shit up!
Sounds to me like more bullshit speculation from CNN. After all the lies they have been caught in and biased "reporting" No wonder their ratings are tanking. I can't imagine anyone but a complete partisan hack seeking "news" from them anymore. Let me know if they come up with proof. It's been almost 2 years I won't hold my breath.
This is damn close to trying to peddling polls as facts so I don't really expect it to make a difference..I just love to point out the hilarious irony.
I'm not sure I've seen a more uninformed comment than the one you just made.
According to the reports, Cohen says there were other people in the room when Don Jr. told his father about the upcoming meeting with the Russian lawyer.
Mueller will get testimony from those people. Are they all going to lie for Trump and face a possible perjury charge? I don't think so. The laws are going to find out what happened. All the right wing pooh poohing is meaningless.
Awesome. I can't wait for this 2 year bullshit circus and waste of taxpayer money to come to and end. I will be happy once justice is served regardless of that end. It really doesn't bother me if Pence replaces Trump. Frankly, I think he would be more diligent in installing conservative policies. Be careful what you wish for. I certainly hope they don't come up with a list of solid evidence and then fail to prosecute over political reasons like some scumbags have in the past, don't you agree? I am glad there is no risk of that happening again, at least as far as from what I have seen.
Donald Trump is not remotely qualified to be president of the United States. His voters are to blame for what is happening now, and no one else.
Well I didn't vote for Trump, but if you voted for Hillary I would only blame you for the stuff we all knew beforehand. And please don't try to argue character between Hillary and Trump they are both riddled by shady pasts and dealings and neither deserved to be president.
Lol, Hillary Clinton is 100 times more of an honest, decent person than Trump has ever been or ever will be. And she would have been 1000 times a better president.
LMAO We will have to agree to disagree. BTW you just outed yourself by saying Hillary is honest.
I didn't say she was honest, I said she was 100 times more honest than Trump, which is still a pretty low bar for honesty.
I guess that is why polls taken before the election found that Trump was found to be more honest and trustworthy than Clinton by a siizab margin before the last election, at least according to an article from TIME
Polls found him to be more honest? Polls might have found that people believed he was more honest. Mostly, those people were dishonest, themselves, and chose to believe lies.
Fact checkers found him to be extremely dishonest.
Give him time.
How 'bout a link?
I tried to put it in but fuorsome reason it wouldn't let me copy it.
Which is not a crime. In fact, every candidate for every office seeks dirt on his/her opponent. I'm going back to sleep. Wake me when news happens.
Uh ... okay. From dictators from a foreign country who is considered enemy, not ally? Really? Shhhh ... go back to sleep. Since you don't find that to be news, you can sleep until for forever because you wouldn't consider it news if Trump shot someone on Fifth Avenue.
Everyone: "Omigawd! Trump just took an AK and shot someone who called him short-fingered!!"
Tacos: "Oh yawn. Every candidate wishes they could take an AK and shoot at people. At least Trump did it. Wake me when something really bad happens."
Even Paul Ryan says Mini Mouth must appreciate that Russia's not our ally.
I used to despise Ryan because he's a really anal loon from the district just south of mine, but now it seems he's not loony enough for the modern GOP.
That's sayin' something.
First, why does that matter? Information is information.
And second, isn't that exactly what the Clinton campaign did with the Trump Dossier? Yes Christopher Steele is British, but it's no secret his information came from Russia. What's the difference?
Aren't straw man arguments fun? You never lose, right?
I see little sign that Russia is being treated as an ally just yet. Quite the opposite, in fact:
U.S. expels dozens of Russian diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britain
Russia claims 'gross violation' after Trump orders diplomatic posts closed
Trump administration approves lethal arms sales to Ukraine
Trump On Syria: 'Get Ready Russia' Because Missiles 'Will Be Coming'
President Trump Criticizes Germany For Pipeline Deal With Russia
Even as Trump advocates for Russia, his administration imposes new sanctions for Moscow's cyberattacks
You really see a friend of Russia in all that?
The Obama administration wanted to make friends with Russia and "reset" the relationship. Why was that ok?
Seriously Tacos, you are smarter than that.
No, that isn't what the Clinton campaign did and ANOTHER thing they didn't do was RELEASE that information or encourage anyone else to.
The difference is that the information the Russians wanted to give Trump, and released in order to help Trump win, was STOLEN!
What I see is that Trump STILL hasn't implemented the sanctions mandated by the Congress. Why is that ok?
Because Obama's motivation was diplomacy, not sycophancy.
Pretend I'm not. Pretend I'm 8 years old. If someone offers you information on your political opponent, since when does anyone care what country the information came from? Or pretend we're not talking about a candidate, but CNN. Do you think CNN gives a shit where its information comes from? They publish leaks of classified information. They don't care!
Maybe because it was obvious bullshit. Oddly, though, it was the basis for a criminal investigation.
First of all, if we're talking about the meeting at Trump Tower, 1) there was no hint that the offered information was the result of a crime, and 2) there was no information anyway. The source actually wanted to talk about adoptions and had no actual dirt on Hillary. The information taken from the DNC servers was not disseminated by the Trump campaign. The culprits are elsewhere.
You can't logically read all the links I gave you and accuse Trump of sycophancy.
Well 8 year old Tacos!, the reason we SHOULD care is that it is against the law. We shouldn't let someone get away with breaking the law when the office they are trying to win requires that the take an oath to uphold the law. Can you see how that would be a bad thing sonny?
Since when does something being bullshit preclude it from being alleged in political campaigns? Oddly, though, it was the basis for a criminal investigation.
Oh and BTW, much of the dossier, especially the part used in the FISA application, has been corroborated.
Actually, there is reporting that the Trump Campaign knew that the Russians had Clinton's emails. Not even Trump is stupid enough to think that the Russians got ahold of those emails LEGALLY.
Irrelevant.
Actually she told them what the Russian government wanted for the dirt they had.
Ya, what happened to that speech Trump promised about the Clintons in June of 2016? Maybe he didn't get the dirt he was promised and that's why in July he asked the Russians to get him those promised Clinton emails...
Did you watch Trump waving around Wikileaks documents and saying "We LOVE Wikileaks"?
It's interesting that the right decries any and every action taken by anyone on the left [see Soros, BLM, Antifa et al] and point fingers at the Democrats and in particular Clinton; but when it comes to Wikileaks, the Kochs, Adelson, the Mercers, Freedom Works et al, the GOP and Trump are 'unaffiliated'.
You can't logically WATCH that Helsinki news conference and DOUBT Trump's sycophancy.
No, it's not. Talking to someone about someone else is not against the law.
Includes a lot of people (about 144 million). There was no specific reason to think the specific person contacting them was offering them the fruits of a crime.
Hmmm, yes. I have seen reporting that Roger Stone was told they wanted $2 million or something for the information. Do you have any idea how many people call up political campaigns every day offering some juicy tidbit? Most of them are bullshit.
The problem for you (frankly, I think wishing for the impeachment of a president just because he's in another party is kind of a sick fetish) is that Stone's response was "Trump doesn't pay for anything." So again, there was no bargained for deal. If a Russian - any Russian - wanted to share information with the Trump campaign, they were free to do so, but Trump wasn't going to reward them for it.
Meanwhile, on the other side, the Clinton campaign was paying for dirt on Trump. But that doesn't bother you for some reason.
He didn't ask. He said that if Russia had any emails (he didn't acknowledge that they even had anything, just that he hoped that they could find them) and they released them, he thought they would "be rewarded mightily by our press." By the media. Not by Trump.
And I love Baskin Robbins, but saying that you love either one is not a crime.
The Right wasn't trying to impeach Obama every day, including before he even took office. The hysterics we have seen from the Left vis a vis the Trump administration are unprecedented in American politics. And embarrassing.
You can't logically watch one event and judge a person or his overall policies. You need to consider the whole package and you are deliberately ignoring the multiple actions he has taken in opposition to Russia.
See that's what 'blinders' get you Tacos!.
You obviously haven't taken the time to read the evidence that's already public knowledge.
Remember way back when Don Jr. released the email chain about the TT Russias meeting?
This is how it STARTED:
Still want to pretend that Don Jr. thought it was just going to be people 'talking' Tacos!?
Here is Don Jr. answer that same day:
That comment is quite naïve.
The Clinton campaign's lawyer hired an AMERICAN company who in turn hired a BRITISH former intelligence officer who runs a PRIVATE investigative business. So NO, it doesn't bother me one fucking bit. The information garnered was NOT released by Clinton or her campaign. If it were me, I would have handed out copies of the dossier on the street outside of TT.
It does beg the question, WHY does it bother YOU?
Again, 'blinders'.
Trump news conference, July 27, 2016:
"Now, if Russia or China or any other country has those e-mails, I mean, to be honest with you, I'd love to see them."
That is Trump saying that he wants stolen property.
Wow, talk about a false equivalency.
Like hell they weren't.
You're kidding right? Have you conveniently forgotten the Tea Party? Have you forgotten 'keep the government away from my Medicare'? Have you forgotten the 'death panels'?
Oh and that's just recent history. Some nasty shit went on in US politics, think Hamilton/ Burr.
I believe that's called damning with faint praise.
Um.....
Let's review the emails of June, 2018, shall we:
So, what Scumbag, Jr. should have done when approached with this criminal offering was to call the FBI. Instead he makes himself an accessory to the crime by eagerly agreeing to and arranging it, i.e. now a conspiracy to commit the crime (and, I didn't know there's a possibility that Scumbag, Sr. was notified about it. Jr. doesn't tell Goldstone not to let Sr. know but that's something Mueller most certainly does know). And we know that the meeting took place so the actual crime--accepting something of value for political purposes from a foreign government -- occurred. Furtherance of the crime of conspiring with a foreign government to influence the election with criminally obtained data took place on July 27 when Scumbag, Sr., begged Russia to release that criminally obtained data to the public via Wikileaks which, in turn, took place a few hours later.
Yep.....Mueller most certainly already knows who owns the phone with the blocked number which Junior called immediately before and after the meeting.
It sure as hell is if it's from a foreign government.
I guess they just need to run their transactions with Russian spies through "burner companies" like one of Trump's numerous single-member LLCs.
LOL.
What law is that?
I could be like your friend and tell you to do your own homework but I'm feeling magnanimous at the moment.
Note the definition of 'donation' per that statute:
Oh and it's unequivocal that Don Jr. et al knowingly solicited an illegal 'donation' from a foreign government.
Taking into account Don Jr's emails and statements, it's pretty clear that he expected 'something of value' from the Russians in that meeting.
I can't count how many 'conservatives' here have said that 'everyone tries to get dirt on their opponent' which merely proves that the 'dirt' is 'of value'.
Considering the size of the US Code, I think you have the obligation to support your own assertions, as opposed to having me hunt through it for a statute that might satisfy you. If I picked my own and attempted to debunk it, that would be the very definition of a straw man argument.
If he did, the government is free to charge him with that. I'm sure he's in good company. The penalty is probably a fine. It's not exactly treason, ya know?
If information qualifies as something of value, why isn't the Clinton campaign in trouble for getting something of value from Christopher Steele? Perhaps you could find some caselaw with that holding.
Considering the FACT that YOU were the one that asked for the fucking law, I don't see WTF you mean about satisfying ME.
BTFW, you're welcome.
Who else can you cite who has conspired with a foreign government to win a US election?
BTW, nice to know that a crime that 'only' has a monetary penalty is just fine with you. Of course, Trump has been found guilty of plenty of those. Guess it's time for Jr.
The information from Steele wasn't STOLEN. The shit that Don Jr. wanted WAS.
The caselaws include accessory after the fact and soliciting stolen goods. I'm sure that Mueller can come up with a half a dozen others.
BTFW, you can look THOSE statutes up for yourself.
Ok maybe read this then: Straw man
As I explained, I wished to avoid that.
What do you mean by conspired? Conspiracy is an agreement to commit a crime. You need to identify a crime that they agreed to commit together. All we have is a proposed gift of information (not a crime) and no suggestion that either party had knowledge that a crime had been committed to acquire the promised information.
And it appears to have been freely offered as a gift. There isn't even a suggestion of a bargained-for exchange. And then it turned out there was no actual information. It was a ruse to talk about adoptions. I have seen no evidence that Trump or his campaign conspired to commit a crime with a foreign government.
I didn't say it was fine with me, but I have observed that violations of campaign rules (even by presidents) tend to be punished with mere fines and not jail or impeachment. For example, the 2008 Obama campaign was fined for campaign finance violations (is that ok with you ?). The fine was over $300,000.
There's no evidence that Don was specifically seeking the fruits of a crime. He was offered information and was happy to receive it. That's not a crime no matter how much you want it to be.
That's not what caselaw means. You're referring to statutes. I feel like you're not reading my comments carefully enough and you're missing a lot of context.
Why not just look it up and then asking if that was the statute I was talking about?
I already posted the link to the statute that says it IS a crime.
There doesn't have to be per the statute.
Perhaps just getting Trump elected was enough for Putin to start with. Putin's HATE for Clinton is well known and revenge was sweet I'm sure. It's pretty clear that he was large and in charge @ Helsinki. The Russians seem to think that they got agreements on military 'cooperation' in Syria. Who the fuck knows what else Putin got from Trump in those 2 hours. We SAW what Putin got from Trump in the news conference. Obsequiousness and praise.
It wasn't 'about adoptions', it was about the Maninski Act. PERIOD full stop. The Russian attorney wanted the Maninski Act repealed. Her boss and his cronies have lost BILLIONS since Obama signed it into law.
You want to know how I KNOW it wasn't about adoptions? Because the ban on Americans adopting Russian kids was enacted by RUSSIA, NOT the US. The ban was imposed by Putin in retaliation for the passage of the Maninski Act.
Blinders?
It's not exactly treason, ya know?
It IS a crime and I gave you the link to the fucking statute. Or is it your posit that Don Jr. didn't think that what the Russians were offering was of value? His emails sure seem to refute that posit.
Oh and BTFW, the FACT that Don Jr. brought Manafort and Kurschner into the meeting bolsters the position that Don Jr. thought it was going to be 'of value' to the Campaign.
I'm quite aware of what caselaw means Tacos!. I'm referring to statutes because the statute leads you to the caselaw. Aren't YOU the one who said that the US Code was cumbersome? What say you about caselaw Tacos!? As someone who has worked as a Paralegal, I say caselaw makes the US Code look like 'Dick and Jane'.
There is a REASON why I use the website I linked for searching for and researching statutes.
Let me see if I can run you through this so you follow along.
Here is the statute for "Accessory after the fact" from that website.
Click on the link, THEN look right under the title of the statute [in red], you'll see a 'NOTES' tab. Click on that tab.
Now, you will see the underlying authorities for the statute AND the caselaw behind it.
It's a hell of a lot FASTER than searching through caselaw for a reference to 'accessory after the fact'.
You're fucking welcome AGAIN.
What would be the parameters for my search?
The law you cited is all about money, not information. I have invited you to cite caselaw interpreting the statute as applying to information, but you haven't done that. And even so, no money was exchanged or promise, and you can't just declare it to have a certain value - especially when there was no information or the nature of the promised information was unknown. There's simply no way to assign value to it.
Yeah, that was my point. Am I talking too fast?
Excellent. Now you have some cases to read. Let me know when you get to a relevant holding.
Isn't it great that they're so willing, if not downright eager, to offer up their ignorance/stupidity for us to slap down?
Wow, you're quite needy Tacos!. How about trying Campaign foreign donations. Sheesh.
Well that tells me that YOU aren't reading MY comments and are definitely missing not only the context but the content.
If the authors of the statute ONLY meant money, they would have ONLY SAID MONEY. They included 'gift' and 'anything of value' for a REASON.
So what part of 'anything of value' don't you understand Tacos!? Don Jr. and Daddy thought that dirt on Clinton was 'of value'. That FACT is unequivocal.
How about 'gift' Tacos!? Could something other than money be a 'gift' Tacos!?
How about the ill gotten gains of the DNC being hacked. Would that be a 'gift' 'of value' Tacos!?
Since Fox spent hours and hours and HOURS covering the DNC emails posted by Wikileaks, one would think that their favorite fan would agree that they sure as hell were 'of value'. So much so in fact that Trump cited Wikileaks over 164 times in the last month of the campaign.
BTFW, I haven't 'declared it to have a certain value' and that statute only require it to have 'value', there is no MINIMUM, either monetary or political.
Didn't catch the sarcasm I see.
WTF do you need a holding for Tacos!? Are you still having an issue with understanding simple words like 'gift' or 'anything of value'?
I'm done holding your hand.
Besides hacking the Democratic National Committee and HRC Putin's personal Troll Army also hacked multiple state's election boards and bureaus to harvest voter information which was used to pinpoint the gullible Americans whose votes could be affected with Russian State Propaganda which was used not merely to get some to vote for Trump but for many to not vote at all. They had a three pronged strategy they deployed to affect certain specific identified voters in a few swing states. Enough to affect the election. In any case, ARMIES AREA NOT CHEAP. Putin with Trump and Co's endorsement and coordination deployed a goddamn Russian Troll Army to help Trump and to hurt HRC during the 2016 US Federal Election. That is worth a lot. Armies are not cheap...
We already know of more than 20 highly inappropriate meeting between Trumpers and Russians.
That, for your information, is the definition of collusion and covering it up is obstruction of Justice.
It is illegal to conspire with a foreign enemy to effect US elections. Even knowing of it is a crime...
Not one of the Trumpers, including Trump, reported what the Russians were up to to our FBI. O!
Yep, it's considered conspiracy to defraud the US.
And we now know that Trump changed his campaign strategy and ad buying just days after Russia hacked the DNC's analytics....
I guess that is why polls taken before the election found that Trump was found to be more honest and trustworthy than Clinton by a siizab margin before the last election, at least according to an article from TIME
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Just another indicator showing how badly James Comey, as head of the FBI, hurt Hillary.
What a thing!
The Russians attacked her, the FBI attacked her and she endured more than 20 years of lies about herself and her husband and yet she STILL GOT THE MOST VOTES!
What a tough ol broad she is. No wonder Putin feared an America with her as President.
irrelevant. when you figure out the usa is not a democracy?
you will understand why hillary getting more votes means absolutely nothing.
News flash. I don't think it is President Trump supporters that have been crying for the last 18 months.
keep believing that till the riots come a knockin.
When many people dont feel represented often times they eventually revolt.
Good Luck America.
Isn't that the threat that Trump supporters have been making since 2016?
Actually none of his supporters are bothered by that at all.
Why?
Because he won!
I really wasn't suggesting anything , I was trying to point out that when a country is devided and a large part of a society feels under or not represented within their ruling government it certainly has gotten to the point in many even civilized countries that the under represented eventually turn to violence and major rioting to end or at least obstruct their government demanding change.
In a fairly equally ideologically devided country as America is, ignoring the other side for either party too much I'd say could certainly still lead to real problems including the protests escalating to the point of riots. It's happened before, I think learning from the past is important. In fact, Rodney King said it all
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Evidently so far, that answer seems to be, "NO"... sad.
Contrary to common believe, Not all progressives, democrats, liberals or even hillary voters died and went to hell, they still are among us and still have wants and needs, and some even Vote. lol
So IMO: continue to Ignore the numbers at Americas own risk.
61,201,031 Popular Votes
62,523,126 Popular Votes
Just for those of us who like to see links...LOL,
Your right, not even a thought. trump won who cares.
Unfortunately about half the voters of this nation care. see 22.1.8
Someday WE all may.
Did you miss the date?
He did win the electoral college, he did lose the popular vote, he is unable admit Russia helped him, which the DID. This is the second time in less than 2 decades I feel democracy was subverted. First time by SCOTUS and some voter suppression, second time by Russia and voter suppression and heavy gerrymandering. Obama had the right to appoint another justice to SCOTUS and was obstructed by the very people whining now. I understand it happened and isn't changing, but you bet your ass I plan to be loud with my opinions and make sure the Russians don't get a second chance to screw us over. Trump is a disaster and has humiliated this country in the world with his subjugation to Putin, its so obvious Putin has leverage over Trump. The only question is how long republicans can go on being complicit with impunity. The cracks are showing, Trump's desperation is showing and all the denial in the world changes nothing.
winning the electoral college is how the president is elected. these popular vote is meaningless.
They did what exactly except for showing how she had to cheat to win the democrat primary.
Damn the scotus for requiring that the law and the constitution be followed
You mean by disallowing the military absentee ballots from being counted? Oh sorry it was the losers that did that
And the Russians did what? Be specific a on the votes the altered. (where, how, etc..
What voter suppression?
Oh but Trump is bothered by it A LOT. He has to be the bestest, the biglyest, the mostest and he is NOT. It irks him to no end and it is one of his YUGEST character flaws.
The fricken gerrymandering give the gop over-representation by winning more seats with minority of votes. It is another way to be disenfranchised, and I am happy to spell out how it impacts presidential elections if you can't figure it out. Hint: more than the president is elected in presidential elections.
You have plenty of available data to understand my comments, your questions were obtuse, you've read the answers here many many times.
Oh then by a means tell me how. While your at it, tell me how gerrymandering affects governors races and Senate races .
Since you are the only one who brought them up, why don't you?
I already answered that. Try to keep up.
Did you bother to reading of the links you posted? None of them come even close to answering my question. Not really surprised that you can not answer. It was expected.
Hillary supporters are revolting I know .I have seen them.
About half the voters have to live with the result, just like they do every four years.
By the way, Hillary's margin of victory in the popular vote was roughly her margin of victory in just the state of California. Not exactly, but close. The whole point of the electoral college is that we don't have bloated states like California deciding our elections. Presidential candidates have to appeal to not just a broad swath of the electorate, but more importantly to the great variety of interests in the country.
So, it's not a smart strategy to campaign mainly in New York and California, which is what Democrats love to do. There are a lot of votes there, to be sure, but you also need to win over the people in Ohio, and Alaska. They all count and they count for a reason. Nobody put a gun to Hillary Clinton's head and said "don't visit Michigan and Pennsylvania."
The way you want it is the tyranny of the mob - something the founders of this country worked very hard to avoid.
I actually voted for Hillary in the 2008 primary back when I was still a Democrat because I believed she was more knowledgable and experienced than Barack Obama. I was totally ready for her to be answering that 3am phone call.
But she was a different person back then. By the time 2016 was over, she had reversed or disavowed almost everything she ever believed in. Add that to ignoring important midwestern states and considering this was basically her election to lose, and she might be the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime.
Actually we have a constitution, a separation of powers and a judicial system to protect against the tyranny of the majority, but what you seem to want is to protect one of the last vestiges of a framework established primarily to protect the interests of white slave owners in the rural southern states. The 3/5ths compromise ended with the enactment of the 13th and 14th Amendments, so why not end the electoral college too? It serves no legitimate purpose today and as we can see from the 2016 election it can result in a disastrous government which lacks legitimacy.
It'll be Scumbag's supporters turn in the barrel soon enough.
That's because you don't really WANT an answer! Seems like you prefer to go on your own tangent. Now you either don't want to get it or you can't, but I started by stating why some feel very disenfranchised and you might as well just say 'I love gerrymandering because it keeps my side in power even when we are a minority' and be done with it.
No it is because you don't have and answer that fits what you want so you threw whatever you could find that had the word gerrymandering in it and tried to get something to stick. Well you faked again and there are no participation trophy given.
Here since you are having so much trouble I'll help you. Since presidential, governortorial and senatorial elections are conducted statewide, gerrymandering has no affect on the outcome of those races.
I never complained about the EC. In fact, I have defended it on occasion. I read an article a while back about the pros of having it. Can't remember what or where it was right now.
What should be looked at is the parties themselves and their stranglehold on the process.
As far as gerrymandering, I can understand if there is a major population shift but it is usually used to keep a lock on certain districts. It can and has been abused.
They complain for good reason given the undemocratic result. It's not good for a government to lack legitimacy.
He's a "president" whom the majority of the electorate voted against and one who couldn't even win a plurality of the votes. His lack of legitimacy is reflected not just in his consistently low domestic approval numbers but also in his extremely poor relations with all of our traditional allies. Even Trump knows that he really owes his office to Putin not to America.
That's because of the overwhelming slapdown the Republicans got in all four of those races.....Where the hell was Mitt going to find 200 EC votes?
If you don't want to understand how other people feel, I'm pretty sure you don't care, so I'll just leave this one with my last comment. You like gerrymandering, at least when it allows your side to win when you lose. As with everything, karma will eventually catch up.
Democrats invented gerrymandering, and used it to control the House for decades.
As Kevin Williamson wrote: "Gerrymandering was par for the course for generations in Democrat-dominated American legislatures, an ordinary exercise in politics, but when Republicans got too good at it, it became a threat to democracy: “extreme gerrymandering,” in the inevitable and inevitably stupid description."
they also forget they the democrats first came up and used gerrymandering
Yeah.....one who lacks legitimacy with the majority of the public.
Most seem aware that it was an historic mistake and that Trump is in the WH thanks primarily to a hostile foreign power, given that the majority of Americans didn't vote for him.
Hillary was not then and is not now a foreign power. She was and is the absolute worst person the democrats could pick for their candidate. If the density would have chosen just about anyone else they would have won. All this foriegn power bs is just that BS
Here is a clue for you. The majority of Americans didn't not vote for Clinton either. The majority or plurality of voters in 30 of the 50 states did votefir him and gave him the majority of the electoral votes and that is what counts
Wrong, I am and have just been trying to point out that this countries division could take us to that point if half of the counties wishes are continued to be ignored, It happens all over the world and its even happened in this country before.
IN fact I'm am actually sounding an alarm pointing out that that may happen in hopes of avoiding that mob tyranny you speak of.
People who advocate ignoring half of this countries population are the people pushing for mob tyranny, not I.
Anything that Cohen testifies to is suspect at best; because he broke Attorney-Client privilege. This means that Cohen has no Ethics and has no honor. Plus, with him trying to keep himself out of jail, he has all the reason necessary to just tell Mueller what he wants to hear rather than the actual truth.
Attorney-client privilege does not apply to the commission or concealment of a crime.
Here's another federal felony charge that may apply to all of the Scumbag, Inc. criminals: