Patriotism: The Secret of Trump's Success
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The driving force behind Trump's winning for America is his powerful patriotism. Patriotism is a virtue that our politicians talk about a lot, in utterly empty ways. Many Democrats think it is a vice. The left wing of the Democratic Party mistakes it for white nationalism. Trump lives American patriotism. It is the reason he ran for president and the reason he won. He knows we are a great country.
Trump recognizes and is comfortable with power – his personal power, America's power. He does not think power is toxic. He thinks American and presidential power is wonderful and meant to be used for our common, national good.
Our president loves to build. He used to build big apartment and hotel towers with his name on them. Now he is building up America, because he loves America. President Trump's patriotism has these two equal parts: a strong economy and a strong military. His eye is always on the prize of jobs and security.
Patriotism overflows in his speech on achieving a quarter of 4.1% growth for the economy and the return of fallen heroes' remains from North Korea.
In everything we do, in every action we take, we are fighting for loyal, hardworking, patriotic citizens of our blessed nation. We're making our country great again. We're respected again all over the world. Our military will soon be stronger than it's ever been, by far.
Unlike his political rivals, President Trump wants to use our full power. We do not need to be intimidated by anybody – not China, not the E.U., not Russia, not Iran, not terrorists. We are the powerhouse. Trump seeks to create win-win situations, but he will not compromise on American interests. If someone is going to lose, it is going to be the other side, not we.
Trump the builder likes to do things. He likes responsibility. He likes seeing concrete outcomes. He knows that America can do things. We are so rich and so powerful as a country that we can do everything we need to do to promote American security and prosperity. Using American power for these ends is nothing to be ashamed of. It is his job.
We can call North Korea's bluff. We can bomb ISIS out of Syria. We can force the E.U. to cave on putting high tariffs on American goods. We can say no to China stealing our innovations, our products, and our jobs.
We don't need to fear anybody and anything. We're the big guys.
We can move the embassy to Jerusalem. You don't avoid doing the right thing because of threats from pipsqueak terrorists like the Palestinians.
How refreshing and heartening this is to his voters. Trump has applied the power of his pugilistic personality to work for us, for the welfare of individual Americans and for our wellbeing as a nation. He sincerely has heart for ordinary people.
We see it in how he fights for better treatment for our men and women in uniform – military, police, firefighters, border patrol. As a patriot, he respects, even reveres , the individuals who dedicate, and sometimes sacrifice their lives, to keep us safe.
We see it in how he fights for jobs for workers, white, black and brown, men and women. Patriotism is love of country and loyalty to our fellow citizens. A steelworker, returned to work under President Trump's flourishing economy, teared up as he told a reporter: "it's just nice to know that we've got someone fighting for us."
We are so sick of most Republican politicians, who seem to care about only their personal wealth and power. They are not dependent on their voters, and they care only about their donors and relationships with other D.C. power-brokers, and the lobbyists who will hire them after they retire. They like power – their personal power, power to flout the desires of their voters.
We are even sicker of the Democrat's anti-patriotism. Obama's core belief was the moral necessity to atone for American power. President Obama and his enthusiastic progressive followers, want us to be a less powerful country. Obama wanted us to have a smaller economy – 2% growth was an acceptable new normal to him. Democrats actively wish to destroy our coal and fracking industry and jack up energy prices, which shrinks the whole economy. They want more people dependent on welfare, not working.
Obama's international policies aimed at less power for America. He appallingly invited Russia into the Middle East, something American presidents had successfully blocked since Eisenhower. Obama withdrew from our alliances with Eastern Europe, the Saudis, Israel, and Egypt while building up our enemy, Iran. He redefined our refugee policy to include every potential victim of domestic violence or crime, throwing our borders open to all the poor people of the world. He actively worked to weaken our military and starve our forces of the men and materiel they need to protect us.
Another constructive part of President Trump's patriotism is never recognized and lauded as he deserves. As the president said, "When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." He includes the whole country in his love of country – white, black, brown, rich, poor, male, female, city, country. He has a heart for the desires of Americans in every demographic category, who want "great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves." Focusing on these human goals brings us together.
President Trump has earned boasting rights on delivering for all Americans.
We are in the midst of the longest positive job-growth streak in history. New unemployment claims have recently achieved their lowest level in almost half a century. The African American unemployment rate has achieved the lowest level in recorded history. African American unemployment is the best it's ever been in the history of our country. The Hispanic unemployment rate has reached the lowest level, likewise, in history. The Asian unemployment rate has recently reached the lowest level, again likewise, in history. Women unemployment rate recently reached the lowest level in 65 years. And soon that will be in history. Give it another two or three weeks.
He wants us all to be winners. He wants to win for all of us. And he is.
In a speech to veterans on his first Fourth of July as president, our commander in chief began with a servant's heart. He got the V.A. reform that has eluded Washington for 40 years – the ability to fire do-nothing, incompetent bureaucrats so service to veterans could be improved. "Now you can say, 'You're fired.' I can promise you, we will always take care of our great veterans."
After that, he talked about his vision of patriotism. He could have been talking about himself.
Thank you. I love you, too. You have shared your blood, you've poured your love, and you've bared your soul in defense of our country, our people, and our great American flag. Your loyalty to our American nation is measured not in words but deeds ... you've run past the gates of hell to fight and to win for America[.] ... The story of America's men and women in uniform is the story of freedom overcoming oppression, the strong protecting the weak and good defeating evil.
Trump's last words to the vets : "I want you all, and all our wounded warriors to know, you have an entire nation, of more than 300 million people behind you. And our nation is getting strong again. Have you noticed?"
We have noticed.
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Only time will tell how trump or any president really affects this country. Personally I thing the new adapted "bullying power" being used constantly to push trumps agenda will come back to haunt us all. Only time will tell.
trump's insults, promises, intimidation and threats get old real fast and is no way to govern a democracy long term.
time will tell.
The USA is not a democracy. Our form of government is a constitutional (federal) republic.
NO shit... please tell my teachers though OK ?
That is what they called America all of my life.
No need to get upset at me like that. I merely corrected what you said in comment 2.
By the way, I've noticed an uptick in politicians, news commentators, and educators wrongly referring to the USA as a democracy ... have you?
actually the US is both a democracy and a republic.
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When you have time, read this article. My block quote was only a small portion of it.
Good-bye.
I haven't noticed but I may be immune because I've heard America called a democracy all my life by the Illinois public school system.
Now I know but dont bother saying we are a constitutional democratic republic, it's easier to type democracy...lol
The United States is an example of a constitutional democratic republic. The government is run according to the principles of an established Constitution, and the people do not pass laws based on a direct majority. Rather, they elect representatives to a legislative body who can then represent their interests but who can only pass laws that adhere to the principles of the Constitution.
One of the main principles of the U.S. Constitution is the division of powers among the three parts of the government, the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, through a system of checks and balances. The executive branch has the power to veto laws passed by the legislative branch that it deems unconstitutional. If challenged by the people, the judicial branch has the power to strike down laws it considers unconstitutional. The legislative branch, however, retains the powers to revise such laws so that it meets the constitutional benchmarks as expressed by other branches, and it also retains the important power of passing new laws.
lol
That's certainly one possibility however, I dont see it that way. When I was in school they never said "Constitutional republic " those words were not heard in either the midwestern public grade or high school I attended. Our country's governmental system was always referred to as a "democracy".
Of course since then I have grown to know different. I tend to "slip","over look" and not even think about it when I talk or write about this countries government.
I respect the constitution probably as much as anyone, more than many. I guess I have problems changing as much as many as well. In some since America will hopefully in some way will always be a democracy to me.
lol
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As far as the constitution being "A living document", what else would we call a contractional binding document that was amedable forever ?
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It seems to me even back then the founding fathers were smart enough to know the world changed and a strong government needed to be adaptable to some changes to remain pertinent and strong. (also forever hopefully) They were also intelligent enough to make amending "the document" extremely difficult to do.
I have much respect for all of it, if others don't IMO, they aren't very smart. The founding fathers got so much right. also IMO: Not many humans do, myself included.
lol
It's hard to tell how much Trump actually loves his country. He can't talk about it for 30 seconds without claiming that he is the best thing about America.
Best person for America since Reagan
Reagan was a senile old coot.
You mean best person for Russia. Ronnie Raygun must be rolling in his grave over the GOP being so friendly to our enemy, Russia.
So is Trump but at least Reagan wasn't a sociopath.
Seems like the GOP likes to elect white guys with severe mental illnesses or who are otherwise mentally incapacitated.
Russia is not our enemy, Obama said so.
Sure they are, McConnell said so.
But Obama was your president and for you was never wrong .McConnell is just a shlub and spineless rino
Any other assumptions you like to make? He was your president too, BTW. The key word there being, "was". Why can you not address trump without brining up Obama? I mean, the right screamed bloody murder if bush was ever brought up after Obama was elected, (and as horrible as bush was, he was a far better president than the feckless retard we have in the WH now).
Just as Trump is your president.
Why is it that for eight years you blessed Obama's foul us on everybody but Obama but now don't like it when Obama rightfully gets mentioned for screwing things up? You can blame others but we can't?
actually Reagan was/is the very best !
Ironic that he hated Russia and the right now embraces their attacks on the USA. Sad.
Maybe "defend" is a more accurate description. The GOP certainly doesn't seem interested in investigating Russia's interference in our election or investigating the Trump campaign's collusion with Russia......much less working to prevent those things from recurring.
Right......he just had his son, son-in-law and campaign chief collude with Russia to thwart the will of the American people.
And then after the meeting with Russian agents in Trump Tower, Trump dictated the excuse his son used. So at the very least that's conspiracy after the fact, although phone records will likely prove that Trump was involved from the very beginning because the Russians own his ass.
Why do you call a traitor a patriot? Most Americans hate traitors like Trump.
Sorry HA I tend to disagree on each point.
IMO: America has always been Great, trump’s presidency is a huge gamble and mr trump is/was a womanizing, opportunistic, deadbeat, that thousands of Americans have actually sued.
The long term effects of almost everything this president has done so far has not even been realized yet, his overall effects are yet to be seen and what effects we have seen have certainly been a mixed bag of positives and negatives including stuff like his instantaneous failed immigration zero tolerance policy which BTW is still a mess and costing us money to fix.
Also IMO: IF president trump doesn’t stop pushing his agenda so hard worldwide and starts paying more attention to the details of his policy making he and us are all going to have many more problems during and after his presidency.
Trump COULD be a Great American, (any American president could be) BUT, right now, I sure as hell don’t see it. As I see it the man could use much improvement.
Well then perhaps trump's people should have refrained from discreetly meeting with russians, cause IMO: It sure looks bad for any presidential candidates, their staff or family to be holding "quiet" meetings with leaders of foreign countries before elections. especially countries that obviously do not have our best interests at heart.
We need NO more time to witness ANY more Trumpp loving himself, Putin, Power , and pathetic pre pubescent peculiar pastimes, prevailing over our present times
that will soon pass
like a movement
from a bowel
cause this POS cant be gone fast enuff for this once great country
The premise of this article is false.
Trump's success, if one wants to call it that, hinged on fake news, lie speech is free speech, unexplained moral/financial foreign support and never once was he ever demanded to 'put up or shut up' with his Birtherism crap. In other words, Trump was never called on his bluffs. I wonder why.
Trump has clearly filled the void that the electorate has felt for many years despite the doom and gloom negativity the naysayers want us to believe. We're witnessing a return of American greatness on the world stage, patriotism, and economic growth.
Trump acted noticeably submissive in the physical presence of Putin. How is that expressing "American greatness" ?
I would submit that trump has done NOTHING that establishes American greatness overseas. At least no greatness that wasn't there before he arrived.
"Patriotism is usually the refuge of the scoundrel. He is the man who talks the loudest." - Mark Twain
Trump is nothing but an ignorant scoundrel.
Twain was both an imperialist and an anti-imperialist. In the 19th century, he was an imperialist; in the 20th century, he was an anti-imperialist. The quote you posted is from a speech he gave in 1908.
"Patriotism is usually the refuge of the scoundrel. He is the man who talks the loudest."
- Education and Citizenship speech, 5/14/1908
So you're even trying to deflect on an over 100 year old quote? Sad.
More Mark Twain!:
“China never wanted foreigners any more than foreigners wanted China men, and on this question I am with the Boxers every time. The Boxer is a patriot. He loves his country better than he does the countries of other people. I wish him success. The Boxer believes in driving us out of his country. I am a Boxer too, for I believe in driving him out of our country"
I've not initiated any deflections or derails. What I find sad is how many NT members blatantly and foolishly try to derail Conservatives' seeds.
Most conservative seeds, like this one, start off the rails so it's impossible to derail them. And you did deflect by trying to make some pointless issue of when Twain made the statement instead of addressing the statement itself.
Good quote, As I previously said, Twain evolved during the 19th and 20th centuries.
Good try, but I'll not take your derail bait further. Thanks for proving my point. Bye!
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." - Samuel Johnson, 1775
Fixed it
Bottom line: Trump saved this nation!
By selling it to Russia?
Patriots don't dodge the draft....5 times.
Glad to have you acknowledge that Bill Clinton was a draft dodging traitor who declared he loathed our military
When you got nothing, deflect. Is Bill Clinton still the POTUS? No, didn't think so. Pretty sure we are talking about TRUMP...you know, the CURRENT POTUS?
How about comrade Obama who spent his military age years plotting a revolutionary overthrow of the US?
Obama never plotted to overthrow the US government.
You have linked something from a "revolutionary Marxist" , who later ended up writing for a blog run by David Horowitz , who also began his political inclinations as a leftist, about Obama.
I wonder if you understand the irony of what you have done.
Horowitz started out as a leftist and ended up being one of the most right wing people in media. Since this "John Drew" wrote for Horowitz, we can assume he also started out as a leftist (as he says) but later in life became conservative.
Those two can change as they grew older but Obama cant. He is still the Marxist he was interested in when he was 22.
You dont even realize how foolish this argument looks, do you?
Too young for the draft and he never tried to overthrow the government. Keep deflecting Larry.
How exactly were the 2008 election and the 2012 reelection of King Obama an attempted overthrow of the US? What were his goals that you claim to have refused?
I hear that Obama overthrew 2nd base one time. Runner took third and I've never forgiven him for that. /s
I'm not surprised because he is a better basketball player. You can't be great at two sports at the same time.
./s
What Obama policy attempted to overthrow the US Constitution and how did it attempt to do that?
Did you used to write for Pravda?
Some of your cliques are hilarious.
Almost every one of his Trump adoration threads blow up in his face and yet he always posts another two Reich-wing threads every day.
I'd say what I really think of his behavior, but it would get purple inked.
Should be cliche not cliques....Not enough coffee...LOL
Wow, didn't know that they had Holiday Inn Express in Moscow...
Like Trump I've been to Russia...
I guess you missed the invite when 8 republicans were there for the 4th of July.
Trump has been to Russia many times, so he is a commie? Until Trump, Bernie has never praised Putin.
PINO = patriot in name only.
Nah, just another one of those money launderers. His patriotism is only onto himself and those whom he deems can sustain him.
FIPC - Fascists in patriot clothing.
What a pathetic exhibition of ass-licking.
TDS and TAD are once again clearly on full display!
TDS - Trumps Deplorable Supporters
TAD=Trump Addicted Deporables
The America hating left are certainly full of themselves today.
the despise how well we are doing under Trump
It's not the left that is sucking putins cock, larry.
I have no idea who is doing that and neither do you. But any rational, sane person knows it isn’t Trump
Juvenile vulgarity is a common retort from leftists who lack adult communication skills
I have seen and heard every president since the dawn of sound and film recording, via the miracle of technology. Donald Trump is by far the least articulate president we have ever seen and heard speak and think.
Leaving aside his disastrous policies, and even leaving aside his massive personal corruption, his inability to understand and express the issues of the day in an intelligent way is greatly embarrassing to the nation in itself.
I question now and forever just what the hell is wrong with people who voted for this travesty.
I could care less about how articulate presidents are. It’s their actions that matter. And Trump’s have been the best since Reagan, and perhaps the best since Coolidge
Only time will tell how trump or any president really affects this country. So we wait.
time will tell but IF trump doesn't start paying attention to the details, I doubt his long term "goodness" will last.
The devil is always in the details and details are certainly not one of this presidents strong suites. Just look at the unprofessional way this last immigration zero tolerance instantaneous immigration policy mess was initiated.... No details and it basically feel apart from the get go. We deserve better !! (At least I think we do.)
PS: Since when has a presidents word not mattered. Who the Hell are we to trust or believe when and if the shit really hits the fan ?
putin ?
Sure, guess you have never heard of trump, our current potus? I wonder why he lied about his staff meeting with russians? I mean, over and over and over again? And what's with the private meeting with putin? He has never done that with any other leader...why putin?
Keep telling yourself that there is no connection at all between trump and putin...
So are derails. I often wonder how old some posters actually are, because even 12-year-olds have better communication and comprehension skills.
Here's a good article about just how profoundly incompetent the Trump regime was on that issue:
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The entire Trump regime is running on "policy by tweet".
You like brining up Clinton and Obama?
Specifically Trump's actions matter. The actions he has taken since before elected, which is to LIE, attack our allies and friends, help NK look sane and elevated them to the status they've always wanted, taken secret meetings with Putin and Russians that our own people don't know about, ONLY THE RUSSIANS! We've started a trade war that is built on stupidity and lies, and is beginning to cost the very people who elected Trump. He has weakened the USA in the world (how fricking patriotic is that?) by damaging our relationships and bringing instability into the world we've lost trust and respect. The deficit has exploded and he wants to make it worse. The policies you tout aren't working the way they were promised, especially that tax cut, except the stock market, which will dump at some point after the mess Trump is making with the aforementioned actions. How can the gop pretend to care about the USA, and have the audacity to say they are patriots? You are protecting a man that CLEARLY is cowed by Putin, and the jackass actually criticized the USA overseas as he stood next to Putin in front of the world! THAT IS NOT PATRIOTISM, THAT IS A MAN AFRAID OF PUTIN. His actions are despicable and un-American, as are his spokesholes and defenders. This very seed is an insult to Americans who actually don't want Putin calling our shots. Now the gop is defending that because its worth winning. That's TREASON not patriotism.
What you actually mean is "I couldn't care less." When you say "I could care less", what you are saying is "I care".
I love America, I love our freedoms, I love our diversity, I love the vision the founders had of a dynamic thriving nation of justice, freedom and equality for all even though at times in our history we did not always reflect those ideals. Progressives have fought to make this nation greater from our founding, to change it to be a more perfect union. We fought against slavery, segregation, Jim Crow laws, bans on blacks and women voting, bans on interracial marriage, bans on women serving in the military and bans on gay marriage and for the most part, we've won. We have made America better than it's ever been. There are those who have fought us on every one of those major achievements, and they ALL considered themselves "conservatives". They wanted to conserve those bitter worthless aspects of American society, the prejudice, the division, they nurtured hate for anyone not of their faith and passed on their hate of other races and cultures. Conservatives have had a vile stranglehold on America trying to hold us back from even greater freedoms and equality because the reality is, they don't actually believe in equality. They believe their "old ways", their "conservative values", are superior to everyone else and this has been continually reinforced since their childhood indoctrination. That is what it truly means to be a conservative, to cling to an inherited past in an ever changing world where being able to adapt determines who survives and thrives. In the last 150 years conservatives continually refuse to adapt and change and thus they have been hit hardest. Technology comes and takes away their traditional manufacturing jobs. New power sources and clean energy eat away at their old traditional coal mining jobs. You can't just barely graduate high school or just get your GED and expect a job that can support a family anymore. Wake up conservatives, Trump is playing you because you're so predictable. He told you what you wanted to hear and then proclaimed you're either so stupid or unethical that you wouldn't stop supporting him even if he shot someone in the street. Are you? Have you no limit to which you would put your foot down and say "No more!"? Is there no depth of depravity of Trump that you will not support? Are you truly that invested as to not see any way out of the Trump hole? I think it may be a case of extreme mass sunk cost fallacy.
"Many people have strong misgivings about "wasting" resources ( loss aversion ). In the above example involving a non-refundable sporting event ticket, many people, for example, would feel obliged to go to the event despite not really wanting to, because doing otherwise would be wasting the ticket price; they feel they've passed the point of no return . This is sometimes referred to as the sunk cost fallacy . Economists would label this behavior "irrational": it is inefficient because it misallocates resources by depending on information that is irrelevant to the decision being made ."
Once again you demonstrate you don’t have a clue what conservative beliefs are.
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Theocracy, treason, tax cuts for the rich, and harming refugee children are all good things. Is there anything else on your list?
What are you claiming was "made up"?
Not even remotely close to what Marx meant.
Your interpretation is absurdly wrong. A shame too because it is so easy to look this stuff up. But, of course, repeating bullshit is easier than doing the research.
Marx here is referring to what he considers the ultimate society (see: Critique of the Gotha Programme ). In this society (distant future, by the way) technology can produce all that the members of society need. It is an idealistic view where people are freed from working to live and are literally living to work (living to express themselves, if you will). Breaking it down:
Oddly, a good way to imagine this is the fictional world of Star Trek. Gene Roddenberry illustrates a utopia society where technology has eliminated the need for people to work to sustain life and freed them up to pursue their ambitions.
Whether such a utopia ever occurs is debatable. If it does, none of us will be around IMO. Marx might be dead wrong on this.
The point, however, is that if you are going to interpret Marx at least do the basic research. From what I have read of your understanding of 'Marxism', it seems to be sourced from a comic book (or equivalent) rather than the actual historical documents and serious analysis.
Definition of conservative
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a : of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism
b capitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: such as (1) : of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2) : progressive conservative
2
a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional conservative policies
b : marked by moderation or caution a conservative estimate
c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners a conservative suit a conservative architectural style
Trump must be the first "patriot" to commit treason.
And who would be this enemy we have declared war against that Trump has supposedly fought for or have given aid and comfort to?
when Bush and Obama supported joint space efforts with Russia, paying them for our participation, were they also guilty of Treason?
when Eisenhower, JFK, and Nixon entertained Soviet leaders on US soil, was that Treason?
None of those presidents, and even as horrible as he was, not even Nixon, enlisted, invited, encouraged, accepted, welcomed or even considered seeking Russian help to get elected (unless you have some evidence they did that you'd like to share with the group--that should add to the hilarity). Are there any other absurd deflections in your bag? If so, could you get them out all at once?
We didn't declare war against them, Russia has declared war against us by attacking our election process and helping elect their hand picked puppet who has been attempting to implement their agenda at almost every turn. Delaying the additional sanctions that a super majority passed in the house and senate, giving up training missions with the South Koreans, a specific Putin ask, trashing NATO and our European allies, praising murderous authoritarians like Kim Jong Un, Duterte, Erdogan and Putin. The fact that you don't seem worried about all of that seems odd to those who love our country and don't like watching it get dragged through the mud.
Joint efforts with a foreign country once elected seem somehow different to me than enlisting the help of a foreign country to win the election itself.
seems to me the hunt for dirt went too far. We'll have to see what the authorities say.
Either way I seriously doubt trump will be replaced over anything HE did. He's too smart to do shit himself that would jeopardize the "job" he's wanted for so long.
Why do it yourself, other people can be hired to do the dirty work IF it "Needs" to be done.
Flynn pops to mind. In case ya dont remember that guy, Flynn is the fourth person connected to Trump's campaign to be charged as part of Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between the Russian government and members of Trump's team, as well as potential obstruction of justice and financial crimes. one other person already plead guilty for making a false statement to the FBI over contacts with officials connected to the Russian government.
The real questions are who did what and why ?
Gee, I guess that's why we have an ongoing investigation...lol
At this point, regardless of whatever happened or happens I dont see trump going anywhere.
Russia attacked the US election in a cyber-war. Trump accepted Putin's help so the gop won't declare it a war...
The only accusation of this against Trump comes from the Anti American left and former Republicans in the Trump haters club.
there is zero evidence of Trump doing anything wrong with Putin other than bad political speeches
Show the evidence that our intelligence agencies refuse to share
The enemies of liberty and the people in this country are the Democrats, the Establishment Republicans, the Deep State, the Bureaucrats, and the leftist media. All these support the Marxis Statism that enslaves people to government
Putin is a thug and I have no love for Russia, but Russia isn’t the threat that the FBI, the DOJ, the IRS, and the ATF are to any Americans who question their power or that of the Stalinist Democrats. Russia can’t imprison me, or seize what I own, or shut down my ministry like these criminal tools of the government can do.
I am curious. Do you think Obama declared war on Israel when he meddled in their election?
Nothing partisan, I dislike both political parties.
He also signed a bill giving Israel 32 billion dollars. As we all know, giving the enemy money is the sure way to win a war.. /sarc
but he did meddle in their election process and you did claim that meddling in someone's election was an act of war.
Do you really consider the State Department giving "Onevoice" $350,000 "meddling"?
"OneVoice's work is predicated on a vision of an independent and viable Palestine and a secure Israel free from conflict, where Palestinians and Israelis are able to realize their national and individual aspirations, building a future based upon principles of security, justice, dignity and peace. OneVoice believes that a negotiated and permanent solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict and an end to occupation is not only a moral imperative, but an existential priority for both societies."
Yes, Onevoice did push to oust Netanyahu, but a single donation is a very different thing than directly coordinating a $1.25 million a month propaganda campaign including over a thousand false adds reaching 120 million voters. You're playing more "whataboutism" but are comparing apples to orangutans.
No, I'm dismissing them because it's a false equivalence. We were not using the power of our secret service to undermine Israel's election, not this time anyway. A donation to a human rights advocacy group who happened to spend some of that money on a campaign is very different than the United States using our own government assets to undermine their election. But the amount does also make a difference because it shows how seriously involved someone was. $350k is barely even a congressional candidates election fund spending no days let alone a Presidential or Prime Minister election, It's a drop in the bucket.
So it isn't the meddling it is how much was spent on the meddling. Meddling is meddling bub. It can't be OK for onto do it just because he didn't spend as much.
I did? You seem to know a lot about me, and love to put words in my mouth. Stop. You don't know shit about me, so stop with the pathetic assumptions.
Is Israel an ally of the USA? Yes.
Is Russia? No.
NOW do you get the difference?
So....the vast majority of Americans, eh?
So it's OK to meddle in an election if you meddle in an allies election. So it would be OK with you if we messed in Canada's election or if Great Britain medded in ours.
well..
it seemed OK when douchbag obama meddled in israels election
did you complain then?
just sayin
Russia.
Wrong again ! If you were to ask King George, he would have said George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Sam Adams ET Al were all traitors but they were patriots all.
So you're saying that Trump plans to lead a war against the US?
Or are you claiming that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Sam Adams were all patriotic British citizens?
Soooo, what you're saying is that Trump and, his Republicans are staging a revolution against the United States from the inside to do what exactly? Create a new U.S. beholding to Russia and, China?
Scumbag's allegiance is to Scumbag* and Scumbag only. He plays the patriotism card because it's so easy to manipulate the easily duped who also are pretty much all-show-no-go on the patriotism front. Witness how easily they accept the fact , if not celebrate it, that Scumbag is so far up Putin's ass he can see daylight from above.
*Trump, of course
Hell fox news said that we should applaud if people running for office want to get dirt on other candidates from other nations. They were basically this.
What a load of crap.
Nationalism is a lot different than patriotism, as most conservatives prefer nationalism.
Obama gave our country a better world wide standing and confidence in our country. No matter how many times you all say he diminished the uS, spreading that lie does not make it so.
trump is diminishing the US as a world power. I swear do you all not read any news that does not praise the worthless POS? There are articles on NT right now about how China is expanding and reaching into the rest of the world. They are now key players in South America and Latin America. Meanwhile the conservatives are cheering on us withdrawing and isolating.
BULLSEYE!! This is just one of the worst of many ways the ideals and values of this country are perverted by the rightwing. Wrapping the flag around oneself doesn't make anyone an American, much less a patriot.
Sorry HA, the secret to Trump's success is stupidity.
Some people like to have smoke blown up their ass.
trump is having yet another rally going on right now with the followers chanting along. Blinded by one liners, lies and hateful rhetoric.
The funny part is that the rally attendees are even more easily manipulated than Trump is, but their strings are all ultimately being pulled by Putin.
Those are the other folks who helped get Trump elected.......
According to Trump they're "Very fine people."
50.
A gross underestimate. In Florida the Klan is what's known as "Trump's base."
Who else would vote for the racist King of the Birthers other than a KKK member or some other kind of white supremacist, much less attend one of his rallies? According to Trump those racists are "Very fine people."
Your right. Hillary's stupidity for thinking that she could ignore the voters in the states she needed and thinking that she could denigrate half of the voting population.
Clinton certainly was right about Trump's deplorable supporters but she underestimated by a factor of 2.
LOL. Are you worried that the deplorable Trump supporters won't vote for the Dem?
Or are you worried that Russia will rig the election again with Trump's encouragement?
Right now that's true despite fewer people actually voting for them. Of course in a few months Americans will vote to restore Dem control of Congress and put a stop to Trump.
It's still funny though that you seem quite worried about how the deplorable Trump voters are described.
Patriotism: The Word of Assholes
Look, if you ever say the words "I am a Patriot", you are an asshole.
If you feel like standing for a song that you don't even know the words to makes you a patriot, you are an asshole.
If you think voting for a certain politician makes you a patriot, you are an asshole.
If you think anything less than signing up to sacrifice your life for your country makes you a patriot, then fuck you, you are an asshole.
This seeded article is almost 100% total and complete state media propaganda. This must have been how it was in the fever dreams of Joseph Goebbels in Nazi Germany and the architects of the great Soviet Russia propaganda of the 20th century.
These sentences are , well, insane. One can picture Trumpsters sitting around the dinner table reading this disgusting nonsense to their 9 and 10 year old children. "But Johnny, our Dear Leader is a great and wonderful man who loves America and never tells a lie. Don't listen to your nasty liberal teacher. They are jealous of Dear Leader."
Yep, he's a patriot all right.
The articles he's seeding about trump are blatant "state media" propaganda.
I'm sure their state media said similar things about Mao, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Ferdinand marcos, and many other dictators and autocrats.
Seriously, this prose is unbelievable.