The Late, Great USA
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Is anyone really surprised by New York governor Andrew Cuomo saying, “We’re not going to make America great again. It was never that great.” The Left has been saying that, if not quite so bluntly, for decades. The only difference is that many more Americans now hold that view, including a disconcerting number of putative “conservatives.”
Dani Lever, a spokeswoman for Governor Cuomo, added that President Donald Trump’s Bull Moose patriotism “ignores the pain so many endured and that we suffered from slavery, discrimination, segregation, sexism and marginalized women’s contributions.”
Yes, we’ve heard that before too, but the crescendo of hysteria is reaching fever pitch. The Left now asserts that Robert E. Lee’s soldiers in gray were proto-Nazis; that Ulysses S. Grant’s soldiers in blue were genocidal Indian-killers; that America’s women still struggle against a colonial, patriarchal legacy of plantation owners in powdered wigs who kept their wives in comfortable confinement and their slaves as exploitable chattel; and that President Trump, far from being “a very stable genius,” which should be pretty obvious to everyone by now, is actually a moronic, unstable, but very clever agent of Vladimir Putin who quotes Mussolini in his sleep.
When it comes to American history (and sometimes Trump) how often have we seen putative “conservatives” falling over themselves to agree with the Left: furling Confederate flags and toppling Confederate statues as embarrassments; conceding that, yes, men like George Armstrong Custer were arrogant, bigoted, idiots from whose sins we should repent; and accepting a redefinition, never before known in human history, not just of marriage but of what it means to be a (now indefinable) man or a woman.
Such “conservatives” wish to conserve nothing save, maybe, capitalism.
But if you surrender your history, you surrender the future, and there is no reason why a nation founded in oppression, as the Left would have us believe America was, should survive, no reason why America’s constitution or its economic system should be respected, no reason why America should not be remade into something else through socialism.
In the 1970s, after the first eruption of the New Left’s historical revisionism and its cultural revolution, America’s retreat from Vietnam, and the malaise of stagflation, a narrative of inevitable American decline set in, accepted by the Left and mourned by the right. Writing in the 1970s, Robert Nisbet reflected that “it would be difficult to find a single decade in the history of Western culture when as much calculated onslaught against culture and convention passed into print, into music, into art, and onto the American screen” as during the decade of the 1960s.
The irony, speaking as one who grew up in the 1960s, is that those days seem like a wholesome paradise of Bonanza and Leave It to Beaver and the good-humored ribbing of celebrities by Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show compared to the hate-spewing, reeducation-camp propaganda of today’s entertainment-media complex that would have us believe that The Dukes of Hazard emerged from the pages of Der Stürmer , that The Honeymooners assisted in enforcing sexist, hetero-normative oppression, and that westerns featuring hardworking cowpokes like The Virginian “privileged” the stories of white, male rugged individualists against the need for an all-encompassing welfare state.
We are, obviously, in a much worse place today. The “silent majority” that saved us with the election of Ronald Reagan is now a minority, and Ronald Reagan’s restorative optimism seems out of place. Donald Trump’s belligerent reassertion of American nationalism against the commissars of political correctness who dominate nearly every institution in our society seems not only necessary but as heroic as Horatius at the Bridge.
As Churchill once called on his fellow Britons to fight the Nazi enemy “on the seas and oceans…in the air…on the landing grounds…in the fields and in the streets” so too do we need to fight for America’s heritage, its history, its heroic past in print, on the air, and on the screen—and this we have lamentably failed to do.
Immigrants who come to America today have no mystic chords of memory to bind them to our common culture. If we do not weave these imaginative chords, their view of America will be ideological—and dictated by the Left. If we do not weave them for young people, they will be severed from the past and willing to believe Leftist lies.
Our efforts don’t need to be—in fact, they should not be—po-faced. We need to recapture an unaffected, affectionate, generous understanding of our past—the sort of patriotism that used to be our common inheritance and the image we projected to the world.
Cuomo tweeted that Trump’s making America great again “would not be great at all. We will not go back to discrimination, segregation, sexism, isolationism, racism or the KKK.” But that’s not how the French thought of us in World War I. It’s not how Winston Churchill thought of Franklin Roosevelt and the United States in World War II. It’s not how the suppressed people of Eastern Europe thought of us during the Cold War. But it’s what the Left would have us think about ourselves.
If they succeed, and they are already well on their way, our future will not be that of a shining city upon a hill, but of a gulag where we are led in endless incantations of the words of Governor Cuomo.
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USA was great...now we are a joke. Thanks trump.
I'm just glad that Trump has brought white supremacist rallies back in style, like the KKK rallies his dad participated in. It's like a time warp to the 1950s or maybe even the 1920s, back when America really was great if you were a straight white Christian male.
Yep, that was just before the GOP's racist "southern strategy" which helped build the modern GOP and explains why the racist King of the Birthers leads the party today.
The facts in my state are it is completely run by the republicans.
Very few positions are held by Democrats. Oddly one is the attorney general and they have been wanting him out for a while.
So yes, all the bigoted racists around here vote for an R. Every time.
Lets just say, all the racists here vote republican. That is a fact whether one likes it or not.
I see them, hear them and talk to them.
I find it refreshing that conservatives don't speak prejudicially in generalizations about liberals.
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You are obviously trying to not understand my comments or are just dismissing them.
Yes the racists here vote republican.
Like it or not, it is the truth, no matter how broad one tries to make it.
Show me where I stated all republicans are racist? As I don't see that at all in my comments.
So racist people here vote in and for republicans and you want to somehow twist all of that to fit what ever your point may be.
I call that just denial.
No problem, no apology necessary. I also stand by mine.
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Seems appropriate given that 62 million of those Republicans voted for the racist King of the Birthers, a man with a long history of refusing to rent to black folks.
I hate it when this happens.
Care to try again ? its cool
I understand.
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Ironically HA I used to run into the same thing unfortunately too often on another site myself.
Ya state your opinion in your way and Poof its gone.
To me even more ironically after your very last post cause guess which "chat nation" I encounter the same thing on ?
Yep ... fox
I haven't been there for a long time though and dot even know if its still up and running.
I think you would still be happier here though you seem to enjoy the interaction and challenge.
And echo chambers are Boring !!
Good for you ! Me too.
PS: My last post Was Before your first one went Poof
what's that?
Yawn...Gee, what a rehash...Didn't know that Robert Byrd and Trump were related....boy, that democrat sure was a "nasty" racist wasn't he?
As a side note, if people have the proper permits to "rally" then so be it - be it BLM, Antifa, Occupy, or the KKK...while I personally don't like any of those groups - they are all afforded the right to assemble. Ain't it grand? Or are you just mad cuz somebody peed in your cheerios?
Well, then get some decent people on the dem side, not some looney tunes like Bernie, Cumo, and that Cortez chick who is an absolute idiot. The fact that the Dems lost 1000 seats the last election is not the R's fault...it's them dems. You people crack me up - whining when you lose because the other side won.... Man up and quitcherwhinin.
Well Good I as well hope its much more open and allows for both sides to interact. Like I said I think echo chambers suck. If they upgrade it perhaps it will also accept stuff like pictures and links and stuff.
Maybe someday I'll check it out if and when I hear it's up and going. But seriously if its like the old fox chat system was I wont be able to be post most of my opinions without them disappearing anyway. O-That was so frustrating ! So I don't know if I'll try there again or not.
But, I hadn't heard Fox may reopen it, so thanks
Like I said I didn't even know it had shut down, if it does reopen and hasn't changed...
O- well ..... Their loss.
lol
Sorry but I'm the wrong guy to whine to on that issue given that I first started donating to the ACLU to support the right of neo-Nazis to march in Skokie.
In my experience it's usually RWNJs like Trump who are interested in restricting speech......but those morons are so profoundly dumb that they don't even understand whose actions the 1st Amendment restricts. Case in point are the RWNJs who are whining because private companies like Facebook are no longer willing to provide a platform for their hate speech.
Oh the humanity !!!!
That would be nice, Thanks.
Although I do like it here pretty well one of the things I miss is having a constant new feed of current daily news stories to comment on.
I find that once I state my opinion on a story, many times I really dont have much more to say about it. I do like to read other peoples opinions as well and sometimes learn from them, but arguing points over and over about the same subject to me gets old pretty quick. Everyone has an opinion and to me that's fine. I'm glad we dint see, want or are all the same. But I'd like more variety of daily news stories to comment on.
So yeah if I do hear Fox is up and running again I will probably check them out again.
So,Thanks for offering to let me know if and when you know that it's up and going.
I'd appreciate that.
Town hall, again. How shocking that you would pull from that far right wing fake news site.
Townhall does not list itself as a news site or otganization. It is a website for posting conservative Opinion. The opinion columnists range from typical mainstream conservatives to libertarians
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It also seems to be a good website for racist conservatives like Crocker.
So Black libertarian commentators Dr Thomas Sowell, Dr Walter Williams, Larry Elder, and conservatives like Star Parker,
Or Vijay Jayaraj and Dinesh De Souza from India
Are these racists?
De Souza most definitely is a racist moron.
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I'm surprised you didn't mention Ben Carson. He belongs to a racially segregated superstitious sect.
And here's a Trump supporter who says that because of Trump she now feels free to let her inner racist out:
Usually the far left doesn’t call people of color racists but then for you all conservatives are sub human regardless of color
and D’Souza has proven himself to be far brighter than you and most leftists. He's a great American
That's a rather moronic comment given that everyone has racist tendencies. The difference is that all the white supremacists today have gathered in the GOP since that's the socially conservative party and that was the party which employed the racist "southern strategy" to deliberately corral racist voters into the party. No wonder the KKK applauded the nomination and election of the racist King of the Birthers.
Of course they are. Everyone who doesn't agree with some people are bigots, racists, white supremacist, deplorable and any number of other things that are symptoms of that mental disorder some people suffer from.
You have posted this several times. What are your racist tendencies?...and be honest
Southern born caucasian heterosexuals of any denomination of Christianity?
Heck, not even all of them voted for the racist King of the Birthers.
You claim to love the USA and yet revel in the fact that the Scumbag-a-Mar-a-Lago and his filthy cohort have dragged this country into the sewer with them.
"Deplorable Clingers" would be a great name for a band in a red state.
Here it is several days later and she still has not answered the question, yet she answered yours. It is obvious she hit the nail on the head.
Townhall falls within accepted guidelines
Townhall
Has this Media Source failed a fact check?
That's funny, being judged by a Liberal from up north, living in the most liberal city in North Carolina by far having been infiltrated by a bunch of Liberals. The people who live in Greensboro think they have a bunch of illegals in their city now who have escaped the horrendous taxes they were paying and bringing all their Liberal ideas with them. It's kind of like that polling outfit in Raleigh who is a Democrat outfit.
Public Policy Polling
Public Policy Polling ( PPP ) is a U.S. Democratic [1] polling firm based in Raleigh , North Carolina . [2] [3] [4] PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer . [5]
In addition to political issues, the company has polled the public on topics such as the approval rating of God, [6] whether Republican voters believe President Obama would be eligible to enter heaven in the event of the Rapture , [7] whether hipsters should be subjected to a special tax for being annoying, [8] and whether Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer . [9] [10]
Of course many sheep fall right in line.
Lets see here. From the decades passed John Birch Society to modern day 'conservatism' to the rise of the MAGA phenomenon the right wing has always screamed that America is in decline, facing financial ruin, one step away from moral decay and on the abyss of utter failure.
So here in 2018 with the GOP controlling the majority of the statehouses, increasing influence in the judicial branches, ample control of the government and Donald J. Trump in the White House the conservatives continue to whine about "The Late--Great America."
Of course this will never happen, but if the conservatives are truly worried about America's fate perhaps they would do everyone, including themselves a great patriotic favor and simply take a hike.
Cuomo's comment? Whatever. Most hedge fund dudes would strongly disagree. The families of America's 'Saturday Night Lynching' victims may have another perspective. The premise of this article is 'fluff and chaff' for those who deservedly require it.
What has made America Great has been our government and our people. What makes our American government so great is the system was set up to be governed by the people cooperating and compromising to find solutions to our problems. IMO: Until we as a nation get back to that point I honestly believe we really will never really be a great nation again.
IMO: Great nations don’t destroy themselves from within like America seems to be doing, Our own politicians and media have divided us up for their own power and profit and we the people have turned over our nation to whomever has or can raise enough money to get elected instead of people who actually want to cooperate together and compromise when necessary to solve this nations problems, All I can say is Good luck to America because unfortunately, I dont see this changing.
Meanwhile the people who buy the politicians and the politicians reap the rewards sit back in their ivory towers drinking Champaign eating caviar and laughing at their pawns as they watch us fight, watch nascar and foooootball.
WTF about that makes America so damn Great ?
IMO: Not much these days because many other nations also constantly fight over power and control from within and divide their people up for power, profit and control.
Good article and I agree with her primus, However I see America at this time somewhat less than great maybe even less great than some years ago. Not to bash trump, but when I dont feel I can trust the people running the government Have a hard time thinking that is great.
Of course I can only speak for myself. Personally I've always been glad to be born in America I really do believe that because of our constitution we were set up to be the greatest a country could be, However, I've always had reservations about just how great we are and have been.
Just Considering how white people took over this land and it's kinda hard to be really "Proud" of that. For a beginning. IMO: That's not too great.
So considering America being Great wasn't really where I ever was America is wonderful, the freedom we have here to be what we desire to be is great, the constitution is a great piece of laying down the bones of a truly unique and wonderful way of governing, Unfortunately this day and age with the money going into the elections at the level it does the money is almost more important to the politicians than are our votes. IMO: that sure isn't too damn great.
America could be great but right now in my opinion we still have a ways to go, Will we get there? Who knows, but bullying and pushing out way up to what one man considers Great I doubt was ever the intentions of the founding fathers anyway. I wonder just how great many of them would rate America today ?
I see many conservative who IMO: have abandoned their conservative financial beliefs to hop on the trump band wagon I dont consider that loving their country unconditionally.
I think perhaps you may be mis interpreting some people words and actions as not loving the country when they are actually doing what they believe is best.
That's how I look at trump, obama, bush and even clinton, each one was really doing what THEY believed was the best for the country, I think each one of us citizens (well most of us) are the same way, We all want what's best for America we just totally disagree on what that is or how to get it.
Thanks, HA one out a three aint bad. lol
America's greatness is in it's ideals, not always in the execution of those ideals.
The very founding document of independence states, "all men are created equal", but practically did not include women or non whites. Is the ideal great? Sure, but the practice has been sporadic. The "gains" that have been made were often hard fought. There are still many problems associated with the achievement of "equality". Now we talk about "income inequality" which is a basic economic issue. The ideals of America are never achieved once and for all, there is always more to do.
This is an interesting paragraph. In an article which is decrying a sort of hysteria , this paragraph displays a level of hysteria itself.
Were Lee's soldiers "Nazis" ? No, but they did fight on behalf of an evil societal system of an evil government (CSA). Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but it is the fact. Did soldiers in "blue" massacre natives? Of course they did. Is this article expecting to seriously argue otherwise? I wouldn't say that American women today struggle against a colonial patriarchy, but there obviously is some gender based discrimination against women, particularly in popular perceptions. But it is the claim in the paragraph that Trump really is a "stable genius" ,who is misinterpreted and misunderstood, that really cements the silly effect of the seeded article.