S E E D E D C O N T E N THey go fuck yourselves. https:// twitter.com/voxdotcom/stat us/1033514377922719744 …
Vox Publishes Article Trashing McCain Merely An Hour After His Death
The Arizona Republican and war hero passed away on Saturday night and received beautiful tributes from his family, friends and colleagues. Vox, however, decided to immediately criticize McCain for choosing Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate during the 2008 presidential election.
Online media company Vox published an article trashing Sen. John McCain less than an hour after his tragic death following a long battle with brain cancer.
The Arizona Republican and war hero passed away on Saturday night and received beautiful tributes from his family, friends and colleagues.
Vox, however, decided to immediately criticize McCain for choosing Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate during the 2008 presidential election.
“McCain empowered a demagogue who put the Republican Party on the path to Donald Trump,” politics editor Laura McGann wrote.
McGann blamed McCain for the rise of Donald Trump’s political fortunes, arguing that choosing a “demagogue” like Palin opened the door for a reality show-esque presidential candidate.
“McCain, who passed away at age 81, is remembered as a maverick, a man who crossed the aisle and built relationships with Democrats,” McGann said. “But he also betrayed his own values hoping to win a presidential election, and sent the Republican Party down the path to Trump.”
Vox tweeted out the article but later deleted the tweet following backlash from people who thought the criticism of McCain came too soon.
Vox: McCain Article (Twitter Screenshot: August 25, 2018)
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Yeah @ ezraklein we’re not going to let you just memory hole that one. Your website is a disgrace. pic.twitter.com/1diH8sBAwW
McGann defended her article, insisting that she won’t “pretend” that McCain never chose Palin as his running mate.
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Another drive-by shooting from one of NT's specialists!
What does an intellectually honest person do with a text they disagree with? They post it, and comment on it.
What so our NT duck-and-dodgers do? They post a critique of the article... that doesn't even have the courage to link to it! Another drive-by shooting!
Ah but we have Google, so... here's the Vox article. NT members may now decide for themselves, rather than ingurgitate the pablum they are usually fed... and which is all they really want...
John McCain, Sarah Palin, and the rise of reality TV politics
McCain empowered a demagogue who put the Republican Party on the path to Donald Trump.
The party of Donald Trump began almost 10 years ago to the day, when John McCain tapped Sarah Palin to join his ticket.
It’s one of the most important moments of McCain’s career. He proved willing to empower a demagogue when he thought doing so would improve his political fortunes, exactly the sin so many of his colleagues in the Republican Party have committed since Trump won their party’s nomination.
“She’s not from these parts and she’s not from Washington, but when you get to know her, you’re going to be as impressed as I am,” McCain said when he announced his decision. “She’s got the grit, integrity, the good sense and fierce devotion to the common good that is exactly what we need in Washington today.”
Palin’s big moment in front of a national audience was the first live vice presidential debate with Joe Biden. Her big opener was to ask the crowd: “What’s the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?” Her answer: “Lipstick.”
Things went downhill from there. She dodged questions, offering no real or substantive answers. And still, the event drew 70 million viewers — the largest audience for a vice presidential debate in history. She dazzled conservatives.
National Review editor Rich Lowry described her as “so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing, [sending] little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America.”
Palin’s run solidified the Republican Party’s comfort with a candidate who would say absurdities. When Katie Couric wanted to know what newspapers she read, Palin answered, “Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me over all these years.”
Even though McCain and Palin were bested by Barack Obama and Joe Biden, Palin inspired a slew of copycats, unleashing a political style and a values system that animated the Tea Party movement and laid the groundwork for a Trump presidency.
McCain, who passed away at age 81, is remembered as a maverick, a man who crossed the aisle and built relationships with Democrats. But he also betrayed his own values hoping to win a presidential election, and sent the Republican Party down the path to Trump.
McCain sacrificed his values to win
McCain’s campaign was in free fall at the end of August 2008. He needed a Hail Mary, as many in the media put it at the time.
He seemed interested in tapping his close friend Sen. Joe Lieberman, a moderate Democrat, though a foreign policy hawk, who ran with Al Gore in 2000. Lieberman endorsed McCain over Obama. He wasn’t exactly a figure who’d excite ... anyone.
Palin, on the other hand, was a charismatic figure who campaign manager Steve Schmidt thought might appeal to women and to the party’s base. She was the governor of Alaska and had been the mayor of her small town, Wasilla. She’d also been called a “maverick” for confronting corruption in the state legislature, an identity that meshed well with McCain’s own.
Pretty quickly, though, Palin’s shortcomings started to show. She flubbed basic questions in interviews. Like: Why did you thin k Roe v. Wade was a bad decision ? (Abortion was a central theme of Palin’s politics.)
McCain’s decision to pick her was called into question right away. How did McCain miss the signs that maybe she wasn’t up to the job?
In 2008, I flew to Wasilla, Alaska, the day after Palin was tapped. I headed to the city clerk’s office to pick up copies of meeting minutes from when she was mayor. I assumed the McCain campaign had done the same, but no. As I wrote at the time:
McCain was prepared to put Palin a “heartbeat away from the presidency” without even checking if she could do the job. Instead, he picked her because she seemed like a good play to the base.
Conservatives had long dallied in race baiting, like the the push poll credited with dooming McCain in the 2000 presidential primary in South Carolina. Voters were asked if they minded that McCain had a black daughter . (One of McCain’s daughters, Meghan McCain, is white; the other, Bridget McCain, was adopted from Bangladesh.)
While McCain was credited with cutting off a woman at a rally who seemed to be saying something offensive about Barack Obama’s background, his running mate was on stages accusing Obama of “ palling around with terrorists .”
Palin was playing straight into the hands of conspiracy theorists who doubted Obama’s citizenship. She participated in painting him as “other” — someone who couldn’t be a patriotic American.
Palin unleashed reality politics
McCain and Palin lost, but after the election, Palin stayed in the limelight for a time. She got a deal with Fox News and traveled the country, endorsing and stumping for Tea Party candidates.
Schmidt, who had pushed McCain to select Palin, was depicted in the HBO version of the reported story of the 2008 campaign, Game Change , as racked with guilt for his role in the decision.
“This wasn’t a campaign, it was a bad reality show,” he says .
Palin herself went on to sign an actual deal for a reality TV show.
Over the next few years, Palin began to fade, but she was replaced by a small army of candidates who picked up her mantle. More and more, campaigning became about resentment and identity — us versus them. The white base of the Republican Party was energized and took back the House in 2010.
McCain made friends with politicians across the aisle, from Joe Biden to Hillary Clinton to Joe Lieberman. He was beloved by the press for many years for his cordial, friendly style. He loved to talk about himself as a straight shooter (his campaign bus was “the Straight Talk Express”).
He put this reputation on the line for Palin. She used it to gain credibility and a foothold in the national debate.
After being diagnosed with cancer, McCain still defended Palin’s performance but said he regretted not picking Lieberman as his running mate.
Now we may all read and decide for ourselves!
oh, wait... "read"...
... ... ... oh dear... that won't happen, will it?
The Vox article is impeccably documented and argued.
Why don't you point out the parts of the article that are untrue?
If the article is character assassination, there must be a lot that is false. Please be precise...
So let me get this straight.
The guy who heralds Trump as the savior of the nation, thinks it's character assassination to suggest that McCain lead to the saviors election.
Are you derailing your own seed?
Is your argument so pathetically weak that you must try to move elsewhere?
How could one possibly trust a man who would pick Palin for VP?
Oh yes it is and I agree with everything except the implied conclusions.
1) Palin did not cost McCain the election. He never had much of a chance of defeating Obama and had absolutely NO chance after the financial crisis burst upon the scene in October of 2008.
2) Plain was not the precursor to the Trump supporter. Obama's leftist overreach gets all the credit for that.
Let it be said that Vic just gave Obama credit for something.
Then I am sure you have a ton of quotes from Obama saying he supported trump and the NRA?
*crickets*
And for the record? The only reason people bought more guns was because the fake news right wing media kept pushing that, "Obama is going to take all your guns!!!!" bullshit.
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What part of this phrase do you not understand?
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The Daily Caller account of anything is suspect for being far right wing lies, innuendo and propaganda.
I'm especially impressed with the conservative NT members response to Senator McCain's passing./s
There have been two article posted dealing with his passing and it seems that the only ones that commented and paid their respects were those horrible liberals/dems/progressives.
Certainly goes to show who the hypocrites are.
I'm highly conflicted on the subject of John McCain. His greatest quality was that he was himself... and his greatest defect was that... he was himself...
He was straightforward... for good or for bad.
I've seen several conservatives paying their respects to McCain. You have selective reading.
On the article posted by Perrie, you were the only one to comment Rmando when I posted the above.
On Krishna article when it was posted that Senator McCain passed the only comments from conservatives were less that flattering to Senator McCain.
No selective reading on my part Rmando..
I do thank you for your comment about Senator McCain.
Your welcome.
A more accurate way of putting that would be the majority of liberal comments showing condolences about McCain also take swipes at Trump. It seems TDS never takes a day off.
Really? You cannot even make one post without bringing up;
1) Liberals
2) "The left"
3) Bill or Hillary Clinton.
McCain was a good man, father, husband. I didn't always agree with his politics but he was an American Hero. He was from the old Republican school, when they had honor and a sense of fair play. No wonder McCain hated trump, because trump shares none of the core values of this country. NONE.
If that's the case then why sully the memory of McCain with any Trump references at all? And I will keep bringing up the left, liberals and Clinton as long as they persue their out of control political coup to unseat a legitimately elected president. Nothing is off limits when the losing side is still trying to overturn a two year old election.
Until he died the tea party loons usually called him a RINO, but today he's the best thing since Sarah Palin.
Did you ever think that it's the weekend and that the man died only yesterday evening (eastern time)? I, for one, don't appreciate your labeling conservatives who haven't posted as "hypocrites" just because we didn't post a comment within what you think is a proper time frame. Not all of us put NT before family and friends, Kavika.
That right there is another example of the feigned outrage we were just talking about. Other than mentions of Palin, unavoidable, nobody really dissed McCain except for righties who hated McCain for not toeing the line with Trump. Remember? McCain become a RINO according to righties...
You clearly don't know me as well as you think you do, JBB. It takes a lot for me to become outraged at something or someone. Comments on social media are at the bottom of my "outrage" list.
Maybe that's why he said "feigned outrage".
Maybe you needed to see the entire thread to understand what he meant and my response to it. It was not this seed.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend!
Now Jasper, Please! Let's be honest. We have been dealing with each other for years and years and years now...
That is a false comment, JBB, and you know it. It's time for you to stop perpetuating such meta nonsense.
I suppose the left would've been okay with an article after Ted Kennedys death that was mostly about Chappaquidic (however it's spelled). After all that's factually accurate too and unlike McCain picking Palin somebody actually died there. Instead we had to wait fifty years for a movie about it and the left still complained.
I'm not a Palin fan but I recognize the hypocrisy when the left calls anybody who even lightly criticized Obama a racist but felt fire to trash Palin with tons of outright liberal misogyny. Dan Quayle wasn't known in the media for being a rocket scientist but the left never had the same venom and hatred for them. The left has "a special place in Hell" for women and minorities who "go off the reservation"- to use one of Hillarys favorite phrases.
All articles at the time noted that tragedy ended Ted's Presidential ambitions. The only ones I have seen trashing McCain recently were far righties here on NT. That McCain made a horrible regrettable horrendous mistake nominating that awful wretch, Sarah Palin and noting the pertinent facts of the recently deceased's career is hardly insensitive. The gop's false grace is less than no grace at all. There are damn good reasons the once Grand Old Party of Lincoln is now known a merely the gop and sarah palin is the prime example of when the Big R Republicans became overpowered by the lame brain know nothing of the far far right represented by the damn tea party and sarah palin. McCain, to his credit, learned from his mistake and hated the ever lower path the gop is on...
I'm sure all the articles painted Kennedy as a victim of tragic circumstances who bravely dove into icy cold water to try to save Mary Jo. I doubt few of them mentioned how he actually went back to his hotel and slept ten hours and only called the police after he saw them hoisting his car out of the river. Ted Kennedy didn't deserve to be reelected and he certainly didn't deserve a royal send off.
And, I'm sure that you and, yours on here will now continue to deflect to Ted Kennedy because you know that you are wrong about this article.
Wrong about what? That Vox is a trash website that often uses "explained" in its headlines when it really means "rationalized"? A remembrance about someone hours after they die usually mention only the good points- you know, the part about not speaking ill of the dead?
I only bring up Kennedy because so many are bringing up the anniversary of his death, which is IMO inappropriate.
Before contacting police, he also had a meeting with his "advisers" so they could put together a credible story made of lies.
True that. The "Lion of the Senate" ... HAH!
Pretty far off topic, but I wouldn't worry, HA only flags people he disagrees with.
Several on this seed have mentioned Ted Kennedy, with good reason. Both McCain and Kennedy now share the same date of death and they were both members of the US Senate.
If HA wants to flag my comment as off topic, that's fine with me. Those on the left have done far worse.
Except that it is perfectly true!
Then seed the Vox article, for Pete's sake. Sheesh!
Are you really this oblivious?
Has President Shitstain tweeted a comment yet?
If you mean Trump, then yes, he posted a very nice and respectful comment last night. Try following his Twitter feed.
Would it be ok if I shove sharp objects under my fingernails instead?
Whichever you prefer.
It seemed both hollow and obviously written by someone other than Trump. If you want to read nice and respectful comments you should read what Obama and Biden each wrote.
You know Trump didn't write that? Do you have any proof? And can you prove Obama and Biden wrote theirs? Biden main claim to fame before becoming vp was to plagiarize British politicians, literally just changing names and locations. Obama was the King of teleprompters and hired fiction writers like Ben Rhodes and actors like Jon Faverau to write pretty speeches for hIm.
I like how Trump said that McCain was a "loser" and "not a hero."
He wrote those tweets by himself!
Were you with him when he typed and posted them?
Trump's public statements ridiculing McCain are a matter of record.
That wasn't the point of my question.
You certainly seem to be obsessed with Trumps opinion on everything. How long ago did he write those tweets and aren't there more inportant things to worry about?
Trump can change his views from one sentence to the next.
He made sure he kept up his disrespect and refused to use the WH statement praising McCain. His fake sympathy speaks volumes.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/27/trump-decided-against-white-house-statement-praising-mccain.html
And he also spent the last couple of years, up to last week actively hating on McCain (need reminded of that he refused to use McCain's name in the bill named for him?). It is really confusing to read conservative comments here. Some are in a mood because some news outlets were bringing up Palin and Trump, yet nobody, but nobody, was as disgusting as Trump and far right republicans. So what's with all the fake outrage about McCain being disrespected by the left? I've actually always respected and liked McCain and was seriously thinking about voting for him (instead of Gore) until Bush won the nom. Even when he politically went batshit I still gave him the benefit of the doubt, and that was a tough one. I'm not buying this fake McCain love by so many republicans who have said the most vile things about him.
And refused to allow the whitehouse to offer a respectful statement calling McCain a hero.
By the way.....no half staff flags.
I like how Trump ordered the flag on the WH raised to the top of the pole today. You certainly wouldn't want it to be sullied by a war hero before he's laid to rest!
The WH lowered the flag to half mast just a bit ago....
A really sad state of affairs, but not unexpected from the current administration.
Perhaps General Fuck Up changed his simple mind.
More like his staff finally convinced him that he was being childish.
Plus the American Legion and outrage from the GOP leadership:
The VFW weighted in on the side of Senator McCain.
Try following his Twitter feed.
Better off following Hansel & Gretels' bread crumb trail
Not true, of course. Just pointing out that Palin was the worst possible candidate to pick if citing a well-established fact. Besidies, "president" Scumbag has been trashing McCain for over two years when the latter refused to support his candidacy. Whatever might be said about McCain, he was a giant of a man compared to Scumbag.
So McCain dies and HA immediately scoured the internet looking for anything that comes close to being rude to McCain, posts it here and attacks, "the left" as a whole for slandering McCain.
This is nothing more than gaslighting. PERIOD.
If we are supposed to be alert to anti-American Russian propaganda online this kind of bullshit is a "RED FLAG"
Bingo...Well said and 100% true.
There will be a reckoning for those who spread enemy propaganda on American social media...
The reason the right hated McCain and called him a RINO? Because he put the country before the party. He wasn't afraid to reach across the aisle to get things done for the betterment of the COUNTRY. Oh yea, there is this too...
Being a decent man speaking truth to misguided hate probably cost McCain millions of gop votes...
You could feel the energy going out of that hall when McCain denied Obama was a Muslim Commie.
McCain was the Democratic parties official ass kisser.
Wow.
Those are macho macho macho words. I am s-o-o-o-o impressed!
Dismissing a long national career in one short sentence!
Class!
He was a conservative republican, the only reason you say shit like that is because he put country before party which is unheard of in the GOP. I can understand your confusion here because putting country before party is the right thing to do.
Democrats loved McCain except when he ran for President then he was a piece of shit. During his campaign all he did was kiss Obama's ass and Democrats still hated him. When he lost they went back to loving him.
McCain was so obsessed with being loved by the Democrats he would but them above what was good for the country. His desire to be liked by Democrats outweighed his love of country.
If that's what you need to tell yourself to justify your media driven bias, go for it.
Do you work for Vox?
Much ado about nothing. Choosing Palin and dancing a jig for the Tea Party was the low point of McCain's life and deserving of criticism. NO ONE, right, left, or otherwise has ever even thought about mocking John McCain for getting captured. NO ONE is that much of a moronic piece of shit, save for one person, and no one else has been banned from the funeral. 'Nuff said.
Yep. Even McCain said he deeply regretted picking Palin rather than Lieberman, and said "It was another mistake I made...... But my gut told me to ignore it [the advice to choose Palin] and I wish I had."
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I also like how McCain said that Trump had “declined to distinguish the actions of our government from the crimes of despotic ones. The appearance of toughness, or a reality show facsimile of toughness, seems to matter more than any of our values. I would like to see us recover our sense that we [Americans] are more alike than different."
Accolades are pouring in from all over the world. John McCain was a giant.
I am going to go out on a limb and say this is a damn'd if one does, and damn'd if one doesn't kind of moments in history... there is nothing the current President can do to change the crap he said about Senator McCain - it is out there, and everyone knows that the president had no respect for the man now lying in State - so why would he issue a proclamation calling for the flag to remain at half staff, as that would show respect... thus being called phony and disingenuous …..!
Make up your minds people...
The Vox articles release timing was inappropriate, not inaccurate about Palin .. yet quite speculative regarding McCain paving the way for Trump by choosing Palin as a running mate (remember Obama won by a land slide having received 365 electoral votes to McCain's 173) - I speculate Obama paved the way for Trump .. still mind boggling though
It's called graciousness, a trait I have no doubt Trump is totally devoid of.
Yes, please DO. Please set a standard and hold EVERYONE to it, including Trump. Until y'all do that, there is no credibility in decrying the 'manners' of a publication.
Agreed, yet one also knows well in advance not to expect such behavior from the current president - whether it be a quality he possesses or not … as he had zero respect for McCain. 'Ya'll' expect nothing more/less from Trump in any given situation, yet still decry his 'manners' .. doesn't it even get old?
Touche'?
From some of what I have read, it is all things anti Trump day in day out - I think the definition of insanity is bound to fit in there somewhere .. same held true for former President Obama - the bashing was day in and day out!
Yes because Trump is all about how he 'looks'. Trump's detractors could just as easily read his tweet as "Trump's a fake--everyone knows he hated McCain!"
So why not take the high road? It would have cost Trump nothing.
Oh my bad, it's Trump.
Trump had a choice: to be gracious and give McCain his DUE, or take his last chance to show his distain. I guess it wasn't quite enough the other day when he refused to say McCain's name when signing a bill named after McCain.
One thing is clear, we should have no expectation that Trump will EVER 'rise to the occasion' under any circumstance.
It isn't MY expectations Trump has to meet. The question is, is he meeting even the low expectations of the Americans that actually voted for him? What IS getting old is his sycophants normalizing his behavior.
The YUGE difference is that Trump ADDS shit to the pile, day in and day out. Obama, not so much.
As for the definition of sanity, it sure as hell WOULD be insane to fail to hold Trump's feet to the fire because of his actions yesterday merely because we're overwhelmed by what he did today.
Gonna have to ask them Dulay .. as I honestly do not know, nor have a clue what his supporters expect from him nor of him - I am told he has accomplished several things that were expected of him .. not sure social graces was one of those things that were/are expect - I am going to take a wild guess and say that they are not!
What difference does that make? .. did not / does not change the reality of the daily bashings that were directed at Obama .. does it?
Either way Obama nor Trump is not the topic .. a poorly timed release of an article is the topic... I strayed - as always .. my bad!
There are rather good reasons for that, don't you think? Just as an example one of our Fuhrer's latest statements was a threat to Canada: “The easiest thing we can do is tariff their cars coming in…it’s a very simple negotiation, it could end in one day.”
Apparently our Glorious Leader doesn't understand how tariffs or the car industry works, much less the fact that he's actually targeting the US car industry and US consumers for harm. Either that or he thinks GM is a Canadian brand.
Well since it was his motto and I've seen it used here in support of Trump, the minimum they expected what for him to Make America Great Again. I wonder if they think that Trump's behavior is an example of MAGA. Judging from comments here, it seems they do.
WE used to point to our best and brightest and say 'that kid could be president one day'. Now it seems that the standard for that high office has evaporated. Now that so many others aspire to 'walk in his footsteps' and 'WIN' by out Trumping Trump, it looks like it is a legacy that will haunt us.
Just because one gives up on a leader doesn't mean they give up the right to bitch about that leader sucking.
Perhaps true .. yet in my 52 years of life - I do not think I have seen the best and brightest run for President .. Obama was the first one that ran that had not been around for forever as a political fixture...
Only 2 years away from a Presidential election - remains to be seen what the (D)'s have to offer up as a candidate .. will that candidate be trying to out trump Trump? If so that is not speaking very highly of the future .. tis a rather scary thought - thanks a lot Dulay, now I am really dreading the 2020 election cycle more than I already was
P.s... I already had a debate over Make America Great Again .. it is not something that I buy into...
IMHO being around for a while isn't a bad thing. If nothing else, it gives you a reality check on thinking 'only I can fix it'. That's not how that shit works.
I have to say that I think that we have had some of the best and the brightest.
Obama was an excellent POTUS though I wish that he had just gotten on with it and told the GOP to go fuck itself.
Carter was a good POTUS, despite his flaws and no one can say that he isn't bright. As for runners, Kerry comes to mind. And YES, I'm going to say it, Hillary Clinton. The more I see of Kasich, the more I like the guy, Bright, funny and principled.
Look what the Tea Party smartasses did. They spewed a bunch of BS, got their butts in the seats and ended up being utterly incompetent and ineffective. That is of course unless that was their goal.
I reminds me of some 20 year old coming in and telling me, 'hell, I can do that'. Then the second the customer comes out bitching about something or something goes south they run and hide in the fucking truck. It ain't just planting daisies buddy.
A 'Trumpian' Democrat is antithetical.
You're welcome, I think?
I do not track articles Dulay .. so here it is 4 days later, I read a comment of yours from 'recent comments' click on it to see what is up and Ta Da here I am : )
Carter was / is a good man .. very caring and dedicated to what is important to him - definitely intelligent, 'most' individuals running for President are intelligent - yet that does not make them bright or insure that they have common sense..
I have a few very intelligent friends .. which have ivy league educations - top of their fields …… YET … one started a grease fire in the garage - first attempted to put the fire out with dirty shop rags, which provided fuel to the flames, then 'brightly' decided that only the fumes of gasoline were flammable, thus poured gasoline on the fire .. which only served to spread the fire …………… this is kind of how I view presidential candidates...
Kasich .. I have been impressed with him for quite some time - he really gained my admiration for sticking to his principles and staying out of the fray in 2016 .. I am actually hopeful that he will toss his hat in the ring in 2020 as an independent (the republican party has left Kasich behind as it did McCain) there are times I wonder if there is a sign on the hill that says if you have principles and are disciplined you are not welcome here.
Aww yes, the Tea party was elected to do nothing - their job was to obstruct .. not Obama like everyone seems to think, but his policies that a swath of America wanted no part of - fundamental change stopped me in my tracks from voting for him .. not the same by any means .. yet evokes the same reaction from me as Make America Great Again does... America has problems but 'changing' her is not the answer .. America is great .. 'making' her great again makes no sense..
HA! Keep telling yourself that : ) and remember one cannot fight a grease fire with dirty shop rags and gasoline : )
Peace Dulay...
I didn't have an issue with Obama's 'fundamental transformation' comment because I viewed it in context:
Then I watched the O'Reily interview where Obama was asked about it:
So I don't see Obama's 'fundamental transformation' statement as being ANYTHING like Trump's 'MAGA' campaign slogan.
Now that hurts Colour! It makes me think that you view me as someone with book smarts but without enough practical knowledge not to burn down my own garage. /s
Change We Can Believe In, was the former presidents platform in 2008 .. perhaps my comment regarding 'fundamental' change is not how 'change' was presented on a regular basis .. yet 'change' had to come to America in order to visualize what I thought Obama's view for the future of America was (I just could not get on board)
I was naïve enough to have thought that the strong candidacy and later election of first mixed race President meant that the US had overcome the past ………. I could not have been more wrong - the past came roaring back like a heavily loaded freight train with no brakes rounding a hair pin turn at excessive speed ...… everything became racial .. (a subject for a different time)
I fought hard for my oldest son - he was so confused regarding where he fit in the 'race' of things … my view of the former presidents 'change' platform is probably a bit skewed …. (once again a subject for a different time)
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Ummm no, not at all, but now that you mention it ……………… : )
That is my go to story when individuals get cocky - I will never forget that day, and when I handed him an extinguisher he looked at me like I had 3 heads .. needless to say .. he has threatened my life if I ever divulge his name .. lol
You've mentioned your son's struggle here a couple of times.
As a biracial person who grew up in a time when it was much more rare, I can relate to his struggle. I hope he comes to see that he can embrace both sides and integrate them in into one persona. I love sauerkraut and lumpia.
Thank you for your words of knowledge and understanding Dulay ..
I think some of the turbulence is beginning to subside .. I will never stop fighting for nor supporting him - I want him to find peace within, pride in and love for himself once again..
And therefore if Mr. Trump had gone overboard and praised the hell out of Mr. McCain, they would have called him a liar and hypocrite and jumped on that bandwagon. You are correct. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. He was better off with his generalization which he still catches flack for................
Being bashed as a narcissist for having a pic of himself on a tweet in honor of McCain and his family on another thread - there is nothing that will satisfy anyone on this subject - Trump as a candidate disrespected McCain is a horrid fashion (I personally found Trumps words disgusting) and nothing changed in the past 2 years .. there is a celebration by some that Trump has been asked not to attend the funeral (banned if you will) -- yet still many feel the need to point out and question the Presidents lack of social skills and manners … ? [another mind boggling thing]
The world is upside down already isn't it, after all it is the Trump Era, correct?.. or is it the Era of Trump? Either way social graces are not the norm in this administration ….
At least someone in the WH managed to convince Trump to issue a better statement and lower the flag after the VFW and the American Legion objected.
I think it was more of a fact that he looked at how many members are in those groups and, decided that he might need those votes in November and, IF he survives to 2020.
I find it remarkable that ANY vets at all would support cadet bone spurs despite his pompous faux machismo and his warmongering, especially given how he treated McCain and several Gold Star families. It shows how irrational Trump supporters are.
mccains staff urged lois lerners irs to go after conservative groups.
"audit so many that it becomes financially ruinous"
such a swell guy.
“McCain empowered a demagogue who put the Republican Party on the path to Donald Trump,”
"McGann blamed McCain for the rise of Donald Trump’s political fortunes, arguing that choosing a “demagogue” like Palin opened the door for a reality show-esque presidential candidate."
The "Media" types just can't put the blame where the blame is truly due.....can it.
Barrack (Beer Summit) Hussein (Acted Stupidly) Obama...…...DUH !
What I find it quite telling that I have NEVER seen one of y'all say that there is NO blame to be meted out because there is NO fault or wrong to be responsible for.
Ditto !
When the bad guy? is in....Blame.
When the Good Guy? is in.....No Blame.
Depends on which side of the bed you woke up on...… and Ain't that a "Special" time ?
I look at MY world.
I really don't give a shit about anyone else's "worldly" problem "THEY" create all by their little lonesomes.
Vox and this seeded article aside, let's go right to the reality!
John McCain wanted Joe Lieberman as his V.P. running mate!
It did not happen because McCain's plan to name Lieberman leaked out and the petty, ethnocentric Republican power broker, Carl Rove and others, sabotaged the naming of Joe Lieberman, not so much because he was not a Republican, but because he was Jewish!
Sarah Palin, an intellectual lightweight and nationalist, was both the worst possible choice, and, in fact, the prelude to Donald Trump!
The Republican party has marched into hell, sucked downward by Trump and a base with many haters like evangelical hypocrites who hide their white nationalism behind Jesus!
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