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MUSLIMS 'PROSELYTIZING' AT U.S. SCHOOL ASSEMBLIES

  

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Via:  buzz-of-the-orient  •  8 years ago  •  82 comments

MUSLIMS 'PROSELYTIZING' AT U.S. SCHOOL ASSEMBLIES
“The First Amendment forbids CAIR’s calculated effort to indoctrinate students in the name of ‘diversity’ and ‘inclusion.'” (Daniel Piedra, Executuve Director of The Freedom of Conscience Defencse Fund)

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MUSLIMS 'PROSELYTIZING' AT U.S. SCHOOL ASSEMBLIES


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'Effort to indoctrinate students in the name of diversity'


By World Net Daily, September 10 2018

Two Muslim organizations are suspected of proselytizing California public school students at assemblies.

The Freedom of Conscience Defense Fund  dispatched a records request to the Gilroy Unified School District because of a possible constitutional violation for letting the Muslim groups indoctrinate students.

“Last year, a Muslim high school student complained to school officials she was bullied after Donald Trump got elected and that she was offended by a class assignment that included a Fox News op-ed,” the legal team explained.

“After school board members met with the student’s family, the district engaged in ‘great partnerships’ with the Islamic Networks Group (ING) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) to conduct ‘Islamophobia’ presentations and lecture students at school assemblies about Islam,” the group said.

However, both the California and U.S. Constitutions prohibit the government from aiding religious sects or favoring one religious organization over another. The legal team explained courts repeatedly have ruled students suffer spiritual and psychological harm if they are exposed to religious indoctrination in a compulsive educational environment.

“When school districts allow sectarian groups to advance their agendas under the guise of ‘promoting tolerance,’ they place political correctness over the spiritual and psychological well-being of their schoolchildren,” said Daniel Piedra, FCDF’s executive director. “The First Amendment forbids CAIR’s calculated effort to indoctrinate students in the name of ‘diversity’ and ‘inclusion.'”

FCDF pointed out that Nihad Awad, CAIR’s national executive director, testified that “informing the American public about the Islamic faith is a religious obligation,” and the purpose of its “Islamophobia” public school programs is to “create a religious educational environment.”

In addition, the organization said, “despite portraying itself as a mainstream Muslim organization, evidence confirms that CAIR was founded by members of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.”

“Indeed, the United Arab Emirates officially designates CAIR as a terrorist organization. CAIR is also notorious in the American Muslim community for demonizing and attacking progressive Muslim organizations that seek to work with government officials to combat Islamic radicalism in the U.S. The Anti-Defamation League has denounced CAIR for its anti-Semitic advocacy.”

The organization’s records requests seeks emails between school officials and ING and CAIR since the 2016 election.

The local Gilroy Dispatch reported  the student claimed to have been bullied and became a celebrity, sitting down for interviews with the likes of National Geographic.

Shortly after Trump’s election, the Muslim student, a freshman, claimed to have first encountered bullying.”

The report said one message was pinned to her backpack that read, “I like Trump, you’re fired.”

The student’s mother was “most taken aback” by an assignment for her daughter “involving a Fox News opinion piece that linked Islam, her religion as a whole to a horrific stoning in Afghanistan.”

FCDF also is  representing five San Diego families in a federal civil rights lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the San Diego Unified School District’s partnership with CAIR . The district implemented an “anti-Islamophobia initiative” that singled out Muslim students for special protections and empowered CAIR to revise school curriculum to ensure it portrays Islam in a more “inclusive” light.

FCDF also is asking Seattle’s schools for details about a similar program.

‘The true faith, Islam’

The influence of Islam in public schools  has become a nationwide issue.

In May 2017, in Groesbeck, Texas, a couple moved their sixth-grade daughter to a new school after they discovered her history homework assignment on Islam.

In late March 2017, as  WND reported , a middle school in Chatham, New Jersey, was using a cartoon video to teach the Five Pillars of Islam to seventh-grade students, prompting two parents to obtain legal services to fight the school district, which has ignored their concerns.

Teaching the five pillars of Islam also created an uproar  in Summerville, South Carolina , and  in Loganville, Georgia , last year.

WND also reported in March 2017  a high school in Frisco, Texas, set up an Islamic prayer room specifically for Muslim students to pray on campus during school hours. The same type of prayer rooms have been set up in high schools in St. Cloud, Minnesota, and other school districts.

In 2015 , parents in Tennessee asked the governor, legislature and state education department to investigate pro-Islam bias in textbooks and other materials.

WND reported in 2012  ACT for America conducted an analysis of 38 textbooks used in the sixth through 12th grades in public schools and found that since the 1990s, discussions of Islam are taking up more and more pages, while the space devoted to Judaism and Christianity has simultaneously decreased.

In 2009,  Gilbert T. Sewall, director of the American Textbook Council, a group that reviews history books, told Fox News the texts were “whitewashing” Islamic extremism and key subjects such as jihad, Islamic law and the status of women.

Also in 2009, WND reported  the middle school textbook “History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond,” published by Teachers’ Curriculum Institute, said an Islamic “jihad” is an effort by Muslims to convince “others to take up worthy causes, such as funding medical research.”

In 2006, WND reported  a school in Oregon taught Islam by having students study and learn Muslim prayers and dress as Muslims.

WND reported in 2003  a prominent Muslim leader who eventually was convicted on terror-related charges helped write the “Religious Expression in Public Schools” guidelines issued by President Bill Clinton.

In 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks,  seventh graders in Byron, California, were taught a three-week course on Islam  that required them to learn 25 Islamic terms, 20 proverbs, Islam’s Five Pillars of Faith, 10 key Islamic prophets and disciples, recite from the Quran, wear a robe during class, adopt a Muslim name and stage their own “holy war” in a dice game.

Parents went to court to uphold their right to reject the class for their children,  but a federal judge ruled against them , and in 2006, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to consider their appeal.


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Buzz of the Orient
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1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

Small steps.....not quite as forceful as 9/11.

“Indeed, the United Arab Emirates officially designates CAIR as a terrorist organization. CAIR is also notorious in the American Muslim community for demonizing and attacking progressive Muslim organizations that seek to work with government officials to combat Islamic radicalism in the U.S. The Anti-Defamation League has denounced CAIR for its anti-Semitic advocacy.”

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1    8 years ago

CAIR is much the same as the ADL, a civil rights advocacy group for a persecuted minority.   Why aren't you whining about the latter group too?

Apart from the various references to World Nut Daily and other discredited sources like the FCDF hate group, the essence of the seed seems to be that a school district reached out to CAIR for advice on how to reduce Islamophobia in their schools after a Muslim student was bullied.   What exactly do you object to about that?     Note that the ADL does the same thing in regard to education about antisemitism.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @1.1    8 years ago

"The aim of education should be to teach the child how to think, not what to think."  (John Dewey)

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.1    8 years ago

So......is your objection that the school district has an anti-bullying policy which protects both Muslim and Jewish students?

I'm trying hard to see what you consider newsworthy here, Buzz, apart from the fact that an Islamophobic rag like World Nut Daily is freaked out and a hate group is involved too.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1.4  Skrekk  replied to    8 years ago
Did you miss the part where it says that CAIR is a recognized terrorist organization?

Yeah, that's complete BS.    You might want to inform yourself on that issue without relying on the loony right wing sources Buzz used.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.5  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @1.1.4    8 years ago

Please do us a favour and post proof that the fact that CAIR leaders were convicted of terror-related crimes is false.  Then maybe I would feel that such people could lecture to children about how innocent and peaceful RADICAL ISLAM is, especially around the time of a 9/11 anniversary.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1.7  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.5    8 years ago
Please do us a favour and post proof that the fact that CAIR leaders were convicted of terror-related crimes is false.

Sorry Buzz but the US government doesn't consider CAIR a terrorist organization.   It's merely a civil rights advocacy group which performs the exact same kind of work as the ADL.

Or are you now going to claim that the ADL is a terrorist organization because some of its members once knew someone in the Ergun terrorist group which bombed the King David hotel?

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Then maybe I would feel that such people could lecture to children about how innocent and peaceful RADICAL ISLAM is, especially around the time of a 9/11 anniversary.

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It sounds like your real agenda with this seed is to somehow justify the bullying of Muslim students AND try to smear CAIR at the same time.   I'm not sure how you thought that was going to work.......maybe you neglected to actually read the underlying article in the Gilmore Dispatch?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.8  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @1.1    8 years ago
"Why aren't you whining about the latter group too?"

Maybe because its leaders have not been convicted of terror-related crimes.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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1.1.9  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @1.1.7    8 years ago

CAIR is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and also supports Hamas and Hezbollah

islam is a political ideology that opposes all of non Muslim civilization and has done so since its inception 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1.10  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.8    8 years ago
Maybe because its leaders have not been convicted of terror-related crimes.

Neither have CAIR's, so at best you're smearing a civil rights group because you hate Muslims.    Is there more to your agenda than that?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1.11  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.9    8 years ago
CAIR is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and also supports Hamas and Hezbollah

False on all counts.    I presume yours are intentional falsehoods?

 
 
 
epistte
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1.1.13  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.9    8 years ago
islam is a political ideology that opposes all of non Muslim civilization and has done so since its inception 

Did you happen to forget the Crusades, the Inquisition, among many other actions by Christians against non-Christians and even between various sects? Almost all theistic religions have political goals and they naturally oppose other religions.  The Abrahamic religions have all been very bloody in their pursuit of power.

Preventing any and all religions from gaining control of political power is the reason why we have the strict separation of church and state in the 1st Amendment so that we can have a stable government and religious and secular freedom for all people and not just those of the majority sect.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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1.1.14  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.1    8 years ago
"The aim of education should be to teach the child how to think, not what to think." 

I agree but, I must add this to it, was the teacher she had who put the FOX News Op-Ed in her homework trying to tell her and, her fellow students what to think?

“Last year, a Muslim high school student complained to school officials she was bullied after Donald Trump got elected and that she was offended by a class assignment that included a Fox News op-ed,” the legal team explained.

Apparently, the Op-Ed was anti-Muslim if it offended her and, since she was bullied after Trump was elected, as her parent I would have been worried that with the class assignment she might have been further bullied by the students and, the teacher in the class. Would you be offended Buzz if the teacher had presented an assignment that dealt with a alt-right group saying that the Holocaust was a hoax? I think you would Buzz. Perspective is a good thing.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1.15  Skrekk  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1.1.14    8 years ago
Apparently, the Op-Ed was anti-Muslim

Indeed it was.   This is from the original reporting in the Gilroy Dispatch (before is was mangled by Buzz and World Nut Daily):

Afzal, who has a professional background in education herself, seemed most taken aback by an assignment from her daughter’s English class “involving a Fox News opinion piece that linked Islam, her religion as a whole to a horrific stoning in Afghanistan,” Fadel wrote.
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.16  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1.1.14    8 years ago

Yes, I would have been offended.  That was a matter that required the teacher to be disciplined.  CAIR was not needed for that purpose.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.18  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @1.1.10    8 years ago

I'm getting awful tired of that libel.  I've made it clear many times over that I only am concerned about RADICAL ISLAM and RADICAL MUSLIMS but you keep slandering me.  In fact if I could support Muslims like Dr. Jasser I would.

I guess because you hide behind a pseudonym you feel you can libel and slander whoever you want.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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1.1.19  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.18    8 years ago
I'm getting awful tired of that libel. 

That's not libel, Buzz.   It's your own words which condemn you.

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I've made it clear many times over that I only am concerned about RADICAL ISLAM and RADICAL MUSLIMS but you keep slandering me.  In fact if I could support Muslims like Dr. Jasser I would.

Yeah, right.   ROFLMAO.    THe underlying story is about a schoolgirl who was bullied because she's Muslim, yet somehow you and your "news" sources have twisted that into something else entirely.......even the very title of this seed is bogus and has nothing to do with the underlying facts.

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Galen Marvin Ross
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1.1.20  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.16    8 years ago
Yes, I would have been offended.  That was a matter that required the teacher to be disciplined.  CAIR was not needed for that purpose.

I have noticed that some schools these days don't discipline teachers who assign such homework as is described in your story, the school doesn't see how it could offend anyone, yet, it does often offend, just like the example I gave and, the school won't or, can't discipline the teacher for such an action. Many decades ago it might have been possible for a teacher to get away with denying the holocaust in a classroom and, not received any disciplinary action from the school, especially in the south, without some one speaking out like CAIR did here.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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2  Spikegary    8 years ago

What's good for the (Christian, Hebrew) Goose is Good for the (Islamic) Gander, no?

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.1  lennylynx  replied to  Spikegary @2    8 years ago

Not to people with irrational hatred of all things Islam.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2  Gordy327  replied to  Spikegary @2    8 years ago
What's good for the (Christian, Hebrew) Goose is Good for the (Islamic) Gander, no?

And Christians only have themselves to blame.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.1  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2    8 years ago

I don't like it, but if Christians are permitted to evangelize to students on public school property then other religions get to do the very same. This action why we need a strict separation of church and state for all religions and not a version that gives Christians just a few more rights than everyone else, despite the majority paying lip service to equal religious rights for all.  

A public school is not a place for mythology or religious brainwashing.  Let them knock on doors or rant on street corners like the other sky fairy believers.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.2  devangelical  replied to  epistte @2.2.1    8 years ago

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MrFrost
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2.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  devangelical @2.2.2    8 years ago

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lennylynx
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2.2.4  lennylynx  replied to  epistte @2.2.1    8 years ago

Or, like the saying goes: 'Don't pray in our schools and we won't think in your church.'  One of my favorites! Happy

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  devangelical @2.2.2    8 years ago
maybe they should have worn cheer leading uniforms, then the xenophobes wouldn't have a problem with it

I can see the headline now, "High School Football Team Prays To Allah Before Game, Crowd Furious". The Coach rolls out several prayer rugs on the field and the players kneel facing east as the crowd starts to go nuts.

The easy answer, of course, is to just keep all religion out of our public schools. Kids will never be prevented from bowing their heads in a moment of silent prayer whenever they want, but we don't need all the other ways religion is injected into the curriculum, from Muslim teachers having calligraphy students practicing scriptures from the Koran to art teachers assigning Christmas, Easter or Halloween art projects and music or drama teachers putting on Christmas shows or plays. But Christians will never accept true religious equality, they want religious freedom for their religion, freedom to get preferential treatment over other religions they deem "evil", "wicked" or "false".

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.6  epistte  replied to  devangelical @2.2.2    8 years ago

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epistte
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2.2.7  epistte  replied to  lennylynx @2.2.4    8 years ago

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KDMichigan
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2.2.8  KDMichigan  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.5    8 years ago

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epistte
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2.2.9  epistte  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2.8    8 years ago
The left should be right on it. They have a record of bitching about prayer in sports.

Keep all religion out of public schools as per the Establishment Clauses separation of church and state.  Everyone has their religious rights in private but public institutions are to be a neutral zone on religion in the US. Pray before the game or do it privately but you can't involve others or taxpayer money in your religious beliefs. The fact that prayer is illogical, even by religious belief should be understood by all.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.2.10  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @2.2.1    8 years ago

Fair is fair after all. Allow one mythology, gotta allow them all.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.11  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.10    8 years ago
Fair is fair after all. Allow one mythology, gotta allow them all.

I hope that I am still alive when logic becomes a proven vaccine for religious belief. Given the current situation, there will still be groups of idiotic anti-vaxxers ranting on Facebook. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

This being a relatively controversial topic, since I will be turning my computer off for the night in a few minutes, this article will be locked for the next 10 or 11 hours.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

This article is now unlocked and open for civil comments.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5  MrFrost    8 years ago

Freedom of religion. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MrFrost @5    8 years ago

Freedom FROM religion.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1    8 years ago

Does that apply to Christianity as well? The first amendment protects ALL religions EQUALLY. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1.2  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.1    8 years ago

In my opinion, it should. Teaching religion should be restricted to university level. When I went to school there was never a lecture or a class or a homework project in any religion.  One course I took in university was Comparative Religions, and at that level of maturity I was not indoctrinated into any particular faith.  Leave the religion to the home and place of worship while children are mentally and emotionally vulnerable. I thought it was required by your First Amendment.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1    8 years ago

Here here! Thumbs Up 2

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.2    8 years ago
Leave the religion to the home and place of worship while children are mentally and emotionally vulnerable.

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devangelical
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5.2  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @5    8 years ago

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Thrawn 31
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6  Thrawn 31    8 years ago

Like Christians, Muslims need to fuck off when it comes to jerking themselves off in public.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.2  Skrekk  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6    8 years ago
Muslims need to fuck off when it comes to jerking themselves off in public.

Of course that wasn't the issue here at all.   Buzz's seed is fundamentally dishonest and Islamophobic, and it even cites an anti-LGBT hate group as credible.    CAIR's only role here was to help address Islamophobia in the school district.

The link to the Gilroy Dispatch article shows what it really was all about:

A Christopher High School student is enjoying her school experience much more this year than last year, when she and her family say she was emotionally shaken from consistent bullying for her Islamic faith.

Now a sophomore, the student has not reported any more recent incidents of harassment at school—which her mother attributed to the response of the Gilroy Unified School District. The 16-year-old is even comfortable enough to participate in after-school activities, according to her mother.

That was not the case during her freshman year, which prompted the student, along with her family, to have a sit-down interview with National Geographic reporter Leila Fadel last year for a special series titled, “Muslims in America: A New Generation,” in the May issue of the National Geographic Magazine sent to subscribers last week. The article also was posted this month on National Public Radio’s website, npr.org.

The Dispatch is not identifying the girl, at the request of her mother.

The headline that accompanied Fadel’s piece, “Bullied For Its Faith, Muslim Family Fights Back Through Education,” did not paint a positive picture of Santa Clara County’s southernmost city. The experiences of Noshaba Afzal’s daughter at Christopher High shaped that headline. The family was interviewed more than a year ago.

“We were clear with the reporter that we were sharing our story to create awareness and create positive change,” Afzal explained. “We love the city of Gilroy and, for the most part, we haven’t experienced any negativity, but multiple incidents did occur at school.”

It was shortly after the 2016 election of President Donald Trump, amid heightened tensions regarding race, ethnicity and religion that the Muslim student first encountered bullying from some teenage schoolmates, according to Afzal.

In one instance depicted in the magazine article, someone pinned a handwritten message on the girl’s backpack that read: “I like Trump, you’re fired.” In another, “kids whispered in her Spanish class: ‘Allahu Akbar’ — ‘God is great’ in Arabic —in a derogatory way,” Fadel wrote.

“Our daughter did not choose these situations,” Noshaba Afzal said. “I saw my daughter broken down to a level that no child should be and that no parent should witness.”

Afzal, who has a professional background in education herself, seemed most taken aback by an assignment from her daughter’s English class “involving a Fox News opinion piece that linked Islam, her religion as a whole to a horrific stoning in Afghanistan,” Fadel wrote.

The family immediately notified then-Christopher principal Paul Winslow (also the school’s former English department chair) and current Gilroy Unified Superintendent Deborah Flores of the bullying behavior of some students as well as the misguided English assignment.

“In GUSD, we have a strong commitment to making all of our schools safe, welcoming and free from harassment and bullying,” said Flores when asked about the situation. “We are grateful that (name deleted) approached our site administrators very promptly, permitting us to double our efforts to combat bullying.”

Flores, Winslow (now an assistant superintendent) and two Gilroy school board trustees met with Afzal shortly after being notified of the bullying behavior. Flores said those talks “led to great partnerships” between the district and the Islamic Networks Group as well as the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

“Their presentations at school sites have been well received and have made a difference,” Flores added. “This is a top priority for us.”

Afzal agreed that her daughter’s school experience has improved since those dark days after the 2016 election.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.2.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @6.2    8 years ago

Why is it necessary to teach the shahida and ANY religious doctrines for the purpose of combating  Islamophobia?  Especially when that is contrary to the 1st Amendment (and you are familiar with the Establishment legislation - how is teaching a specific religion in compliance?)

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.2.2  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.2.1    8 years ago

Why don't you read the Gilroy Dispatch article and learn what the issue really was rather than using NT to post Islamophobic crap from hate groups and World Nut Daily?

You're part of the problem, Buzz.   You're definitely not part of the solution.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7  JohnRussell    8 years ago

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Stop Islamization of America - Wikipedia

https:// en.wikipedia.org /wiki/ Stop_Islamization_of_America
  • Overview
  • Contents
  • Ideology
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  • Stop Islamization of America, also known as the American Freedom Defense Initiative, is an anti-Muslim, pro-Israel American organization known primarily for its controversial, Islamophobic advertising campaigns. The group has been described as extremist and far-right. The Southern Poverty Law Center lists SIOA as an anti-Muslim hate group. SIOA was founded in 2010 by its current leaders, Pamela Geller and author Robert Spencer, …
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JohnRussell
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7.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7    8 years ago
The Southern Poverty Law Center lists the American Freedom Defense Initiative as an active anti-Muslim group in its " Extremist Files " database.
"All anti-Muslim hate groups exhibit extreme hostility toward Muslims," said the SPLC, which tracks hate groups.
"Anti-Muslim hate groups also broadly defame Islam, which they tend to treat as a monolithic and evil religion. These groups generally hold that Islam has no values in common with other cultures, is inferior to the West and is a violent political ideology rather than a religion."
The SPLC also describes the president of the Defense Initiative, Pamela Geller, as "the anti-Muslim movement's most visible and flamboyant figurehead."
You can have issues with the Southern Poverty Law Center if you want, maybe they have issues, but you cannot in good conscience present Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer as REASONABLE assessors of potentially problematic muslim activity. They are , instead known islamophobes. [ deleted ]
 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.1  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    8 years ago

Maybe you can try to justify your use of hate groups and Islamophobic nuts as credible sources for your seeds?

Or at the very least try to explain what your Islamophobic views have to do with the bullying of schoolchildren?    (here's a hint......your views are the underlying problem).

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    8 years ago

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Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are not mainstream sources, they are among the 3 or 4 most anti-Muslim media personalities in America. Just because you like what they have to say does not make them acceptable sources. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9  JohnRussell    8 years ago

This is what the media checking source that Perrie uses says about Robert Spencer's website Jihad Watch

Jihad Watch - Right Biashttps://i2.wp.com/mediabiasfactcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/right01.png?resize=300%2C33&ssl=1 300w" sizes="(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px"> QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits any of the following: extreme bias, overt propaganda, poor or no sourcing to credible information and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence ( Learn More ). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis.   See all Questionable sources.

Bias:   Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Hate Group

Notes: Jihad Watch is a blog affiliated with the David Horowitz Freedom Center , run by blogger Robert Spencer, it has been described as one of the main homes of the anti-Islamic Counter-jihad movement on the internet.  It has been repeatedly criticized by numerous academics who believe that it promotes an Islamophobic worldview and conspiracy theories. (10/21/2016)

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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11  Thrawn 31    8 years ago
Of course that wasn't the issue here at all.   Buzz's seed is fundamentally dishonest and Islamophobic, and it even cites an anti-LGBT hate group as credible.    CAIR's only role here was to help address Islamophobia in the school district.

I really don't care, religion in general needs to fuck off in public schools. Christians, Muslims, Jews, or fucking martians, all need to kiss their own asses in private. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
12  lennylynx    8 years ago

Martians??  Why are you lumping Martians in with delusional godders?  Also, there is a very plausible theory that life on earth began on Mars which would make us all Martians...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
13  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

After 10 pm where I am and I will be turning the computer off for the night, so this seed will be locked.  It will NOT be re-opened for two reasons.  First, it became a pain in the ass to moderate - there's enough purple ink on the comments to drown an elephant.  Secondly, instead of just discussing the seed, the members saw fit to spend their time attacking the seeder, as the purple ink indicates. So as Nixon said on his way out the door, you're not going to have me to kick around any more.

Why don't you instead read the seed I posted that is Dr. Jasser's essay on the Reform Islam Movement?  Although he's a devout Muslim, you can call HIM an Islamophobe because he disparages radical Islamists, Extremist Fundamentalist Muslims and Jihadi terrorists just like I do.  CAIR doesn't like him, just as they most likely don't like Ayaan Ali Hirsi.

 
 

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