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Transgender inmate charged with raping a woman sexually assaulted four fellow prisoners days after being remanded to an all-female jail

  

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Via:  badfish-hd-h-u  •  8 years ago  •  142 comments

Transgender inmate charged with raping a woman sexually assaulted four fellow prisoners days after being remanded to an all-female jail

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A transgender prisoner charged with raping a woman was remanded to a female prison where she indecently assaulted four inmates, a court heard.

Karen White, 52, was sent to the jail despite the fact that she was a convicted sex offender and paedophile.

All her previous offences had been committed when she was a man – and White had not had gender reassignment surgery when she went to women-only New Hall Prison near Wakefield, West Yorkshire, where the sex assaults took place. 

The case could lead to a review of the rules for dealing with transgender inmates in the prison system.

Yesterday White pleaded guilty at Leeds Crown Court to the historic rape of a woman in August 2003, when she was then called Stephen Wood.

Last month she also pleaded guilty at the same court to two counts of raping another woman between February and December 2016. 

It was for these rape offences that White was remanded in custody to New Hall Prison.

And while locked up there she took advantage of living alongside women inmates to carry out further sex attacks. 

White admitted sex assaults on two inmates and denied sexually assaulting two others. All the incidents took place between September and November last year.

She was transferred to HM Prison Leeds, a category B men's prison, after the jail attacks. 

The sex assault offences she denied have been left to lie on file, as have a further rape allegation against the 2016 victim and a charge of controlling behaviour against her.

White had been living as a man called David Thompson before she began to identify as a woman.

She became Karen White and lived near Mytholmroyd in West Yorkshire. She was in transition when she committed the latest rape.

White is also awaiting sentence for stabbing a neighbour. Yesterday she appeared in the dock with her auburn hair in a ponytail, wearing glasses and walking with a stick.

Judge Christopher Batty adjourned sentencing until October 11 for the preparation of reports and to obtain victim personal statements

'I'm going to have you assessed to see whether you are a danger,' he told her.

When White appeared before a district judge at Leeds Magistrates' Court in July, she claimed she had not sexually assaulted the female inmates because she is not attracted to women and suffers from erectile dysfunction.

Prosecutor Charlotte Dangerfield told the court the first assault in September happened when White stood close to another inmate, touched her arm and exposed herself.

For the second assault she made 'inappropriate comments about oral sex' and put the woman's hand on the 'defendant's left breast' so she could feel her padded bra.

Miss Dangerfield said the third alleged assault involved White pushing herself indecently against another prisoner, and on the fourth incident she allegedly kissed an inmate on the neck.

The court heard White was convicted in 2001 for two offences of indecent assault and gross indecency with a child and was jailed for 18 months. 

She began  identifying as a woman in 2014, but friends told the Sun she was not diagnosed with gender dysphoria - and was a drag artist, rather than transgender.

It was also claimed she has an  ex-wife and son, and was  helped by a transgender group in Manchester before being referred to a gender identity clinic in Sheffield.  

A spokesman for the Prison Service said: 'We apologise sincerely for the mistakes which were made in this case.

'While we work to manage all prisoners, including those who are transgender, sensitively and in line with the law, we are clear that the safety of all prisoners must be our absolute priority.'


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Rmando
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2  Rmando    8 years ago

I hope the real women sue the hell out of the state and whoever signed off on putting this male rapist in a women's prison.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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2.1  Studiusbagus  replied to  Rmando @2    8 years ago
hope the real women sue the hell out of the state

Here's a DUHHHH moment for you.

It didn't happen in the USA.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3  MrFrost    8 years ago

How shocking, a criminal committing a crime.. 

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.1  Rmando  replied to  MrFrost @3    8 years ago

The state has a responsibility to protect the inmates of its prisons. They knowingly put a rapist in a women's prison due to a liberal transgender agenda. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Rmando @3.1    8 years ago

Great Britain isn't a state.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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3.1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Rmando @3.1    8 years ago

So... If she had been in a men's prison and was raped by 4 men would you be good with that?

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.1.3  Rmando  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.1    8 years ago

"The state" is a generic term for any ruling govt.

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.1.4  Rmando  replied to  SteevieGee @3.1.2    8 years ago

"She" isn't a woman and "she" never was. He is a scammer and a rapist and I'd have no sympathy for him getting raped in prison.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Rmando @3.1    8 years ago
The state has a responsibility to protect the inmates of its prisons.

I guess the important thing is that we don't make transgenders feel uncomfortable, safety is unimportant/s

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.1.6  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @3.1.4    8 years ago
He is a scammer and a rapist and I'd have no sympathy for him getting raped in prison.

But didn't you just say this? "The state has a responsibility to protect the inmates of its prisons."

I agree with you on that point - no matter who the person is or what they've done the state has the obligation to insure the safety of its prisoners.    Unfortunately they often fail in that very basic task.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Rmando @3.1.3    8 years ago

The UK has been run by the Conservative party since 2010.

They do not have a "liberal transgender agenda".

The Daily Mail on the other hand is every bit as reliable as the National Enquirer.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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3.1.8  SteevieGee  replied to  Rmando @3.1.4    8 years ago

So...  You're ok as long as it's a transwoman being raped then.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.1.9  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.7    8 years ago
The UK has been run by the Conservative party since 2010. They do not have a "liberal transgender agenda".

The law was passed in 2004 on the strength of a Labour, Liberal Democrat, and Scottish Nationalist coalition.  So it's fair to call it a "liberal agenda", or at the very least a "liberal agendum".

The Daily Mail on the other hand is every bit as reliable as the National Enquirer.

An increasing and alarming trend among news sources in the US, as well.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.1    8 years ago

Well we know somebody didn't read the article

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.2  Tacos!  replied to  MrFrost @3    8 years ago
a criminal committing a crime

Yeah, the exact crime you would expect him to commit in a women's prison. Wouldn't have been so easy in a men's prison.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    8 years ago
Yeah, the exact crime you would expect him to commit in a women's prison. Wouldn't have been so easy in a men's prison.

Yeah, no one ever gets raped in a men's prison. Eye Roll

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.2  Skrekk  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    8 years ago
Wouldn't have been so easy in a men's prison.

Why would you think that?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  Skrekk @3.2.2    8 years ago

1) Because biology. In spite of what leftist media and universities may be telling you, men are stronger and more aggressive than women, making it hard to rape them and making it easier for the man in this story to rape actual women.

2) He has a history of raping women.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.4  Skrekk  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.3    8 years ago
1) Because biology. In spite of what leftist media and universities may be telling you, men are stronger and more aggressive than women, making it hard to rape them and making it easier for the man in this story to rape actual women.

Men do get raped in male-only prisons.

.

2) He has a history of raping women.

That's a valid point which should inform the prison as to what restrictions are required, but the rape occurred before his (or her) imprisonment and before HRT.    Of course there are other ways to rape or sexually assault a person and it would be a huge mistake to assume that someone without a sex drive or incapable of erection won't be a rapist.    So the prison needs to restrict this particular person because they're a rapist but that doesn't mean it's appropriate to assume that transgender women in general pose a threat to cisgender women (as some NT members here are erroneously assuming).

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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3.2.6  Studiusbagus  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.3    8 years ago

What bullshit!

Rape is about power. And in the prison system you have to understand something...your life is very, very, cheap.

You really think your murderer roomate cares if you struggle? You think he's afraid of adding a life sentence to the two he already has?

Here's a clue, when discussing prison throw civility out of the conversation. Prison is NOTHING like anyone imagines. It's brutal, cold, and cold blooded. Survival of the fittest is King.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.2.7  Jack_TX  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.1    8 years ago
Yeah, no one ever gets raped in a men's prison.

Women almost never get raped in men's prisons.  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.7    8 years ago
Women almost never get raped in men's prisons. 

You are right, how silly of me, MEN get raped in men's prisons.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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3.2.9  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.7    8 years ago
Women almost never get raped in men's prisons.

I would imagine that every prison has history of female staff being raped or sexually assaulted by inmates.  But I think you are correct in implying that rape is rare.  The odds of inmates either beating the crap out of female staff, or masturbating in front of them, are higher.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.2.10  Jack_TX  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.8    8 years ago

It is a pertinent distinction in this instance.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.11  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.10    8 years ago
It is a pertinent distinction in this instance.

It is but, it was kind of silly for me to have to actually point out what I meant, don't you think?

There is one thing that has been hanging over this like a Damocles sword and, no one on here has wanted to point it out, the women who accused her and, I'm giving the accused the benefit of the doubt here, of the crimes are criminals themselves, so, is it beyond reason to think that they would lie about the assaults, she is an accused sexual assaulter and, to accuse her of that would be a sure way to get her out of the women's prison, even if it wasn't true.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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3.2.12  Studiusbagus  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.2.9    8 years ago
The odds of inmates either beating the crap out of female staff

Not all that often but we would get a couple hit each year. We did have one literally get the shit kicked out of her and the other inmates saved her life. She was mean and cruel, can't ever say she deserved it but we kept warning her it was coming.

            or masturbating in front of them

Gotta be the #1 sport for inmates in the prison system, we call it "Gunning"....My wife gets gunned sometimes and she's administrative...she laughs loud and tells them to call her when they grow an adult one.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.2.13  Jack_TX  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.11    8 years ago
It is but, it was kind of silly for me to have to actually point out what I meant, don't you think?

Well....yes and no.  He probably would have had much more difficulty raping somebody in a men's prison.  Certainly 5 somebodies.

There is one thing that has been hanging over this like a Damocles sword and, no one on here has wanted to point it out, the women who accused her and, I'm giving the accused the benefit of the doubt here, of the crimes are criminals themselves, so, is it beyond reason to think that they would lie about the assaults, she is an accused sexual assaulter and, to accuse her of that would be a sure way to get her out of the women's prison, even if it wasn't true.

Well I'm going to let you open that can of worms and take the cyber-beating that comes with daring to suggest women reporting rapes might not always be 100% truthful. ;)

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.2.14  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.13    8 years ago
Well I'm going to let you open that can of worms and take the cyber-beating that comes with daring to suggest women reporting rapes might not always be 100% truthful.

LOL, chicken.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.2.15  Tacos!  replied to  Skrekk @3.2.4    8 years ago
Men do get raped in male-only prisons.

I didn't say they didn't. I only said it was harder.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.2.16  Tacos!  replied to  Studiusbagus @3.2.6    8 years ago
What bullshit!

I don't understand what it is you disagree with.

You really think your murderer roomate cares if you struggle? You think he's afraid of adding a life sentence to the two he already has?

If he is trying to rape a man, there is an excellent chance that man will turn around and beat the shit out of him. That's the difference.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.2.17  Jack_TX  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @3.2.14    8 years ago
LOL, chicken.

Cluck cluck cluck.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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3.2.18  Studiusbagus  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.16    8 years ago
If he is trying to rape a man, there is an excellent chance that man will turn around and beat the shit out of him. That's the difference.

Okay, I understand you don't know the finer points of prison life, but it doesn't really go that way all the time or even most of the time. There are targets and then there is worse...

Let's say I'm the predator roomate and you know it's coming...what stops you and makes you submit may not be an ass whooping.....I roll up behind you and tell you about your brunette daughter that walks home from school on Elm St. or works in the sandwich shop on Main St.

You going to kick his ass now? You think you or your daughter will survive after you run to the warden? Ya think the state or feds will run to her rescue...Not happening.

When I mean prison is cold, cold blooded and cruel you as a "free person" cannot even imagine the blood curdling facts and stories I can tell you.

Using finger prints or tattoos to identify an inmate because he's so fucked up we can't recognize him.

We had an inmate serving 7 consecutive life sentences...young ones would come in and he'd rape them within a week, then he would rent them out as "punks" (you can fuck them any way you want, just pay) he'd have a stable of 10-12 constantly. Imagine waking up every day in prison knowing your day will consist of doing whatever sexual deviancy has been paid for and for as many guys as he says you're going to do.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  MrFrost @3    8 years ago

So easy to just laugh it off as normal business as usual, when it could have been prevented by using common sense.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.3.1  Skrekk  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3    8 years ago
it could have been prevented by using common sense.

Like what exactly?    Please be specific.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.3.3  Skrekk  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.3.2    8 years ago
Like not putting a sexual predator with an intact mule in a women's prison.

That's fair, although I'm not sure it actually matters whether the mule is "intact" since rapists are going to rape.

The prison has the obligation of minimizing the risk of sexual assault for all its prisoners regardless of whether they're cis or trans, male or female.    While it's not actually relevant to this case note that trans women are overwhelmingly subject to rape and other sexual abuse when they're improperly placed in a men's prison.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    8 years ago

How you "identify" should be irrelevant in prison. You're not going to prison to be comfortable and live a social lifestyle. You don't have choices or "gender roles" in prison. Prisons are segregated based on sex, not lifestyle. This man should go to a man's prison because he's a man.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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4.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Tacos! @4    8 years ago
How you "identify" should be irrelevant in prison.

So, you think this guy should be locked up in a women's prison if he commits a crime?

Trans woman.jpg

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.1    8 years ago

blow torch

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @4.1    8 years ago
So, you think this guy should be locked up in a women's prison if he commits a crime?

If he is a man, why would I put him in a women's prison? If it's a woman, yes. If a trans woman, I would stop giving her testosterone.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.3    8 years ago
If a trans woman, I would stop giving her testosterone.

Transgender women get estrogen not testosterone.    The guy in the pic is a trans male and for a prison to cease providing testosterone for his medically-prescribed HRT would be abusive and quite likely illegal.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.6    8 years ago

Loraine Bobbitt should be his cell mate

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.7    8 years ago

I never got over how perfect her name was.

It reminds me of a jingle we kids used to recite after a sensational murder case in the city I grew up in. A woman named Evelyn Dick had dismembered her husband.  We kids used to chant:

"You cut off his arms, you cut off his head, you cut off his legs - how could you, Mrs. Dick?"

 
 
 
epistte
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4.1.9  epistte  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.6    8 years ago
Yeah but fat guys have tons of estrogen low t and they can still get a rod. If she has a mule, she needs to be segregated.

What genetic male has more than miniscule amounts of estrogen? 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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4.1.10  Studiusbagus  replied to  epistte @4.1.9    8 years ago
What genetic male has more than miniscule amounts of estrogen? 

Rush Limbaugh?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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4.1.11  Skrekk  replied to  epistte @4.1.9    8 years ago
What genetic male has more than miniscule amounts of estrogen?

John Kerry observed that Trump likely does:

Former Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a blistering assessment of President Donald Trump’s character on Friday’s broadcast of Real Time with Bill Maher . “He is the first president that I know of who spends more time reading his Twitter ‘likes’ than his briefing books or the constitution of the United States.     He’s got the maturity of an eight-year-old boy with the insecurity of a teenage girl. ”
 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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4.1.12  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Skrekk @4.1.11    8 years ago
“He is the first president that I know of who spends more time reading his Twitter ‘likes’ than his briefing books or the constitution of the United States.    He’s got the maturity of an eight-year-old boy with the insecurity of a teenage girl. ”

Geez, I wish that would fit on a bumper sticker.  Or hat.  Or a tee-shirt.  Perhaps a tattoo?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.1.14  KDMichigan  replied to  Studiusbagus @4.1.10    8 years ago
Rush Limbaugh?

  Gender shaming by the left ? Say it isn't so.

 
 
 
epistte
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4.1.15  epistte  replied to  Studiusbagus @4.1.10    8 years ago
Rush Limbaugh?

Its more likely that he has a low testosterone level, so the minuscule amount of testosterone that most males have is more evident because it is not being masked by the testosterone. 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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4.1.17  Studiusbagus  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.14    8 years ago

Stupid ass comments from the right? Yeah, I can see it

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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4.1.18  Studiusbagus  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.14    8 years ago
Gender shaming by the left ?

No. But since you decided to cluelessly comment...

Rush is known to stock up on Viagra and head off to the D.R. where child prostitution is common and in particular little boys.

Then he comes home to his cat because his "beard" wife doesn't even live there...as none of his wives have.

And you folks follow him around like he's a sage.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.13    8 years ago

How the hell do you lactate if you haven't given birth?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.20    8 years ago

It's extremely rare

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.1.22  KDMichigan  replied to  Studiusbagus @4.1.18    8 years ago
And you folks follow him around like he's a sage.

You folks? 

There you go making ASSumptions.

It appears to me that Rush has quite the following in you. Is it jealousy?

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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4.1.23  Studiusbagus  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.22    8 years ago
There you go making ASSumptions.

You mean like "Liberals can't do memes"? That kind of assumption? 

You can parrot all the bullshit you want, you have a wonderful comment history to use.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.1.25  KDMichigan  replied to  Studiusbagus @4.1.23    8 years ago
You mean like "Liberals can't do memes"?

I'm sure you think Occupy Democrats is cutting edge and on point but the only thing they succeed in doing is making the left look foolish.

you have a wonderful comment history to use.

I'll pass on looking at the bile you have spewed, but thanks for being a fan. It really means a lot.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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4.1.26  Studiusbagus  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.25    8 years ago
I'm sure you think Occupy Democrats is ...

Actually I don't even know who they are.

And as for the rest of your low brow and gutteral attempt to insult me...it's quaint in a sort of clueless way that instills sympathy 

 
 

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