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8 Dead, Several Others Shot At Pittsburgh Synagogue

  

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Via:  perrie-halpern  •  8 years ago  •  270 comments

8 Dead, Several Others Shot At Pittsburgh Synagogue

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PITTSBURGH, Pa. — A suspect in an active shooting has surrendered after police responded to a situation at a synagogue in Pittsburgh according to reports from CBS affiliate KDKA. They report as many as eight people have been confirmed dead, possibly more, with others injured.

A SWAT team has been talking with the suspect who was reportedly crawling and injured but is still alive.

According to officials, the situation started at The Tree of Life Synagogue in Squirrel Hill. Police are asking that people who live there stay inside their homes after exchanging fire with the suspected gunman.

KDKA reports the gunman shot at officers as they arrived forcing them to use their vehicles as a shield. Two police officers were reportedly shot. According to officials, the synagogue was full of people for a Saturday service and they received multiple calls from the people inside

Officials say some have been rescued and they are still trying to rescue others.

As a safety precaution, nearby Carnegie Mellon University was also reportedly on lockdown.


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Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    8 years ago

Still waiting on more information. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    8 years ago

More sick shit happening. Disgusting in light of this weeks events. I hope the perp is taken alive and dealt with severely.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
1.2.2  PJ  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.1    8 years ago

I think that's a good thing.   We may learn some information from the person.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
1.2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.1    8 years ago
That unfortunately indicates he/she is alive..

I can't wait to hear how Jew-baiting accusations against George Soros motivated him.  Can you? 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
1.2.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  PJ @1.2.2    8 years ago

Primarily, was anyone else involved? Yes, he could have pulled this off alone.  But there also may have been others involved.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
1.2.6  Skrekk  replied to  devangelical @1.2    8 years ago
More sick shit happening.

It's just Making America Great Again, back to the good old days before butt-hurt white conservative men lost their sense of privilege.    As the Trumpistas are so proud to say: "Jews will not replace us!"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.2.4    8 years ago

How about anti-Semitism in the left's campus culture?  

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
1.2.9  Skrekk  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.7    8 years ago
The shooter is against Trump. 

I doubt any minor policy differences he might have will ever change his vote for the racist King of the Birthers, a man who praises the people who chant "Jews will not replace us!"

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Silent
1.2.10  Studiusbagus  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.9    8 years ago
The shooter is against Trump

Shhhh, don't twll the right wingers that's a lie. I want to hear them go off again about "false flags" only to find yet again this scum is a dyed in thw wool righty with his internet home being gab.com...the righties oasis away from the left.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
1.2.11  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.9    8 years ago

Trumps own advisor and son in law is Jewish and so is his daughter. He is also on great terms with Netanyahu and pro Israel groups. You can repeat the lie about Trump praising neo Nazis all you want. The voters in this country know the truth from all the lies the far left spew, which is why the Dems will have a piss poor blue trickle at best this year instead of a wave.

Its disgusting that leftists are already politicizing this. I guess nothing is sacred to the TDS crowd.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
1.2.12  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @1.2.11    8 years ago
Trumps own advisor and son in law is Jewish and so is his daughter. 

Yep, those are probably the only disputes which this terrorist or any other anti-semite has with Trump, but we know that even David Duke and his KKK buddies supported Trump despite those minor defects.    No doubt those KKK folks and neo-Nazis were the "very fine people" Trump was talking about.

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He is also on great terms with Netanyahu and pro Israel groups.

Trump is only on "great terms" with far right wing Likudnik groups like AIPAC not with the ADL or any mainstream Jewish groups, and he's a clear opponent of Jewish groups like HIAS which support refugees.    In fact that's why the shooter admits he shot up the synagogue - because he supports the Trump and GOP efforts to block refugees from entering the US.

If Trump wants to appear to be less anti-semitic and less of a white nationalist than he is perhaps he should fire the neo-Nazis and white supremacists he hired to serve in his regime?    At the very least he should stop promoting violence and xenophobia.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
1.2.13  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @1.2.12    8 years ago

You mean like his Jewish foreign policy advisor Stephen Miller? Maybe he should have somebody like Valerie Jarrett or any pro Iran advisor that wants to support a country that pledges to wipe Israel off the map? Or perhaps Trump should be like Al Sharpton or Bill Clinton and share a stage with major anti Semite Louis Farrakhan like they did at Aretha Franklins funeral. Nothing says tolerance like sitting next to guy who just called Jews "termites".

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2  dave-2693993    8 years ago

I guess someone didn't want Jews to replace them.

Glad the perp was captured, though the perp was worthy of a well placed round.

Time for some interrogation.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @2    8 years ago
I guess someone didn't want Jews to replace them.

You think this is funny?  

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
2.1.1  PJ  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1    8 years ago

I think he was trying to point out that this attack should come as no surprise since it was chanted in Charlottesville.  I don't think he was trying to be funny. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.2  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1    8 years ago
You think this is funny?  

How did you get that interpretation?

I want to "hear" it.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.3  dave-2693993  replied to  PJ @2.1.1    8 years ago
I think he was trying to point out that this attack should come as no surprise since it was chanted in Charlottesville.  I don't think he was trying to be funny. 

Yes, you are right PJ.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
2.1.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  PJ @2.1.1    8 years ago

I don't think so.   Are you just meeting "dave" for the first time? 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
2.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to    8 years ago
I'm baffled

Of course you are. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
2.1.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.2    8 years ago
I want to "hear" it.

Do you, now?  Maybe I should send it to you by chat.  

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.8  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.7    8 years ago

Tell me right here. Be a man or woman about it.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
2.1.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.5    8 years ago

I've conversed with dave quite a bit.  I don't think he was making fun of the situation.  I truly think it was a reference to those in Charlottesville who likely had similar views to this shooter.

Most of those folks are still walking around, holding those same views.  Didn't they surround a synagogue?

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
2.1.11  PJ  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.5    8 years ago

My interpretation of his comment was that he was pointing out what happened in Charlottesville as a warning sign.   I can't speak to other posts he's made.  

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.12  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.5    8 years ago
I don't think so.   Are you just meeting "dave" for the first time?

Let's hear it.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
2.1.14  sandy-2021492  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1    8 years ago

And dave,

Please, guys.  I'm pretty sure you're both appalled by what has happened here, and you both know who the bad guys are, and that it's not either of you.  Please, let's not let misinterpretation of somebody's words make enemies of those who are on the same side.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
2.1.15  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.8    8 years ago
Tell me right here. Be a man or woman about it.

It'll get deleted and I'll get a CoC violation.  You're not worth that. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
2.1.16  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.13    8 years ago
 He's trying to harass me via chat.

Oh, dear.  I hope you're near a fainting couch. Why  didn't you  broadcast my thanks to you for going public so now everyone can monitor the anti-semitic Soros comments.  

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.18  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.15    8 years ago
It'll get deleted and I'll get a CoC violation.  You're not worth that. 

Hmmm. Smells like a cow pie.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.20  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.15    8 years ago
It'll get deleted and I'll get a CoC violation.  You're not worth that. 

Well, here is the way I see it. You have been rattling off like a chain gun about some secret thing you have over my head.

Now you've gone silent.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way.

You started the rumor machine going. Be a man, rightly or wrongly, spit it out.

Be notified, if you chicken out and send it in a private message, rightly or wrongly I will put it right here in the open.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
2.1.22  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.18    8 years ago
Smells like a cow pie.

See...that cries out for the obvious response and I'm going to pass.  Again, it's not worth it. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.23  dave-2693993  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.21    8 years ago

Well, I don't play games.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
2.1.24  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.20    8 years ago
You have been rattling off like a chain gun about some secret thing you have over my head.

Nothing secret about it.  You made a smart-ass comment and got called on it.  Amen.  Do you think there's a conspiracy against you?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.25  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.22    8 years ago
See...that cries out for the obvious response and I'm going to pass.  Again, it's not worth it.

The obvious response it to put up or shut up. Come on, be a man.

I'll say it again:

Well, here is the way I see it. You have been rattling off like a chain gun about some secret thing you have over my head.

Now you've gone silent.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way.

You started the rumor machine going. Be a man, rightly or wrongly, spit it out.

Be notified, if you chicken out and send it in a private message, rightly or wrongly I will put it right here in the open.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
2.1.26  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.24    8 years ago
Nothing secret about it.  You made a smart-ass comment and got called on it.  Amen.  Do you think there's a conspiracy against you?

What smart ass comment?

P.S.

Well, here is the way I see it. You have been rattling off like a chain gun about some secret thing you have over my head.

Now you've gone silent.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way.

You started the rumor machine going. Be a man, rightly or wrongly, spit it out.

Be notified, if you chicken out and send it in a private message, rightly or wrongly I will put it right here in the open.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
3  PJ    8 years ago

This is awful.   Just heard that antisemitic attacks are up 57%.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
3.1  lennylynx  replied to  PJ @3    8 years ago

That's to be expected when the leader of the free world is sympathetic to Nazis and white supremacists.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
4  Jasper2529    8 years ago

Update: According to a local station, the shooter walked into the synagogue yelling "All Jews must die".

This is shameful, despicable, and beyond horrible.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
5  PJ    8 years ago

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist. (Happening)

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist. (Happening)

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew. (Happening)

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. (soon)

Wake Up - political idealism is being used as a tool to divide.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
5.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  PJ @5    8 years ago

Idealism?  This is just pure hate mongering by Scumbag.  Every time he mentions "Soros" as some kind of "international banker out  to destroy America"  it triggers some anti-semite facist nazi's lizard brain.  I don't begin to understand how the Kushners can be a part of this.  More shame on them.   

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Quiet
6  Galen Marvin Ross    8 years ago

I'll wait until everything comes out before making any real comments on this.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
6.1  lennylynx  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6    8 years ago

I won't! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
6.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  lennylynx @6.1    8 years ago

I don't think we have to guess what this is all about.  And it's not a "fucking"  false flag.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
7  lennylynx    8 years ago

Trump cultist who decided to kill the Jews his hero couldn't ban.  SOMEONE had to say it!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
7.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  lennylynx @7    8 years ago
SOMEONE had to say it!

Because it's going to be borne out.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2  Jasper2529  replied to  lennylynx @7    8 years ago

Stop blaming Trump for everything! EIGHT HUMAN BEINGS are DEAD!!! 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
7.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2    8 years ago
Stop blaming Trump for everything!

Stop apologizing for that massive POS. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.2.1    8 years ago
Stop apologizing for that massive POS.

You'll never find evidence that I've ever defended Trump, so you can put that attack card away. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2    8 years ago
Stop blaming Trump for everything!

Why? The right blamed the last POTUS for literally everything, (and still do in many cases), so why shouldn't we point a finger at the current POTUS especially after his past comments? 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
7.2.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.2    8 years ago
You'll never find evidence that I've ever defended Trump, so you can put that attack card away. 

Yet here it is:  "Stop blaming Trump for everything!

If that isn't being in the tank for Scumbag then nothing is.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.2.5    8 years ago

On many other social media sites, I said the same to radical people who accused Obama of everything that was wrong in the USA. It's not a means of "defending" ... it's a reminder that people need to be RATIONAL.

Please allow me to remind you that you and others are trying to make Perrie's seed into a place to post personal attacks and biased political crap. Kindly stop.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
7.2.8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.6    8 years ago
I said the same to radical people who accused Obama of everything that was wrong in the USA.

Well, aren't you special. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
7.2.9  Skrekk  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2    8 years ago
Stop blaming Trump for everything! EIGHT HUMAN BEINGS are DEAD!!! 

That's what happens when you have a leader who encourages hate and violence at EVERY ONE of his rallies, and who thinks neo-Nazis and other white supremacists are "very fine people".    No wonder the KKK phone-banked to get that asshole elected.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Participates
7.2.10  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.2    8 years ago

You'll never find evidence that I've ever defended Trump, so you can put that attack card away.

Anyone who voted for that gangster wanna-be is complicit in the disgraceful activities happening in his swamp.  You knew what you were getting when you checked that box.  

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
7.2.11  Skrekk  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.10    8 years ago
You knew what you were getting when you checked that box.  

At this point it's just a matter of degree of difference not a matter of kind when comparing the average Trump supporter to the ones who actually act out his violent fantasies.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.12  Jasper2529  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.10    8 years ago
Anyone who voted for that gangster wanna-be is complicit in the disgraceful activities happening in his swamp.  

This is your opinion, and I will defend your right to make it.

You knew what you were getting when you checked that box.

Baiting me with personal comments won't work, Hal. Enjoy your weekend.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.3  devangelical  replied to  lennylynx @7    8 years ago

Exactly. I'd be looking for another MAGA van parked close by. The perp was probably triggered by yesterdays events.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
8  Dean Moriarty    8 years ago

Horrible tragedy and a reminder not to vote for gun grabbers as a gun is the only protection from these nuts. 

When the congregation are armed they have a better chance.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
8.1  lennylynx  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8    8 years ago

Yes Dean, everyone needs to be responsible and always pack heat when attending their places of worship! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png   How's your 'deep state' doing these days?

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
8.2  PJ  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8    8 years ago

jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif   You're being a stinker and an instigator today.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.3  devangelical  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8    8 years ago

uh-huh, vote for those that promote gun ownership for all, even for those with mental issues.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
8.3.1  PJ  replied to  devangelical @8.3    8 years ago

Ignore him.  He's trying to start a fire.  jrSmiley_68_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Quiet
8.3.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  PJ @8.3.1    8 years ago

Ok, now you have this playing in my head, thanx,

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.4  MrFrost  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8    8 years ago
When the congregation are armed they have a better chance.

You mean prayer in a church doesn't help? One would think tat, "God" would protect his flock. 

Horrible tragedy and a reminder not to vote for gun grabbers as a gun is the only protection from these nuts. 

Trying to sell the, "more guns means less crime" is pointless. The USA has more than 50% of the worlds privately owned firearms and we are a nation of 325 million out of 7+ BILLION people. If more guns kept us safe, the USA would be completely crime and mass shooting free yet we have more mass shootings in a month than Australia has had in the last 20 years. You and others like you are free to own, carry and use all the guns you want, and I completely support your right to do so, but stop with the, "more guns means less crime" bullshit because it's not true. More guns means more crimes committed with guns. FACT. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
8.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8    8 years ago
Horrible tragedy and a reminder not to vote for gun grabbers as a gun is the only protection from these nuts. 

That would be hilarious if it were meant as satire but since it isn't it's just pathetic and saddening. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12  JohnRussell    8 years ago

The Jewish people have been targets for religious and ethnic violence more than any other people. It is too easy to blame this on a current climate. It more stems from historic anti-semitism and the sad truth that there is a long history of violence against Jews. May the dead rest in peace, and the survivors recover in peace. 

Hate filled social media is of no help, of course, but I am not sure social media is the cause of violent anti-semitism. It far predates social media. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
12.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  JohnRussell @12    8 years ago

I don't think either the "current climate" or social media is the cause of violence, but I think they may be a cause.  Yes, anti-semitism has been around for a long time.  But social media allows the spread of hate and misinformation fanning the flames of that hate, much more efficiently than print media was ever able to do.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
12.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  JohnRussell @12    8 years ago
It more stems from historic anti-semitism and the sad truth that there is a long history of violence against Jews.

Yet we've got adults on this site, who always claim to be really smart, educated people, who repeat centuries old anti-semitic smears (see George Soros) and then plead they about well0-documented this history.  It beggars reality.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
12.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.2    8 years ago

should read "plead ignorance about this well-documented history" above

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
13  sandy-2021492    8 years ago

Eight people died, and more were wounded, and still everybody wants to take pot shots at each other here.  Disgusting.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13    8 years ago

I have to agree with that Sandy

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
13.1.1  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1    8 years ago

Yes, yes, we should all just get along, after all, both sides are the same! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
13.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  lennylynx @13.1.1    8 years ago

No, Lenny, that's not what we're getting at.

But nobody is helped by this devolving into a slapfight, and it dishonors the victims.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1.4  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lennylynx @13.1.1    8 years ago
Yes, yes, we should all just get along, after all, both sides are the same!

Please don't put words into my mouth Lenny. You seem to miss Sandy's point, but I didn't. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1.5  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.3    8 years ago
But nobody is helped by this devolving into a slapfight, and it dishonors the victims.

There you go! Thanks for explaining that. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
13.1.6  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.4    8 years ago

The 'president' is a raving lunatic who is inciting violence in this country, directly and obviously.  I'm more concerned with addressing serious problems than aggrandizing myself by expressing how much I personally care about the victims.  People are being beaten, abused, tortured, and killed constantly, all over the world.  If we cried for one second over each one we would do nothing but cry 24 hours a day, rendering ourselves incapable of doing anything about anything.  Donald Trump is pure scum out to destroy everything in his path.  The last thing we should do is try to 'get along' with those who support him.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @13.1.2    8 years ago
Good-luck with that. We can't have a Newstalkers meet and greet because we'd have a Grandpa cage fight. We can't find a place either that can accommodate all the walkers and assistance scooters.

Why don't you reflect on all the fake news you try and post here and worry less about how old anybody is. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1.8  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lennylynx @13.1.6    8 years ago

Lenny,

The shooter is against Trump. He says Trump is the puppet of the Jews. How is that on Trump? There are plenty of things to blame Trump for, but this is NOT one of them. Sometimes you just have to look at the situation and make an honest evaluation. 

This hate is as old as time. Blaming Jews is a way of life for some losers. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
13.1.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XDm9mm @13.1.9    8 years ago
For some, their hate for Trump is as vile as the hate some have for Jews. 

You mean as in referring to a Jew like George Soros with vilifying language and outright lies used for centuries to justify tormenting, attacking and even trying to annihilate them?  Whoever would do such a thing deserves ridicule and derision, don't you agree? 

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
13.1.13  Skrekk  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.8    8 years ago
How is that on Trump?

Maybe through his promotion and tolerance of neo-Nazis and anti-semites......including the ones he deliberately hired to serve in his regime like Stephen Miller and Sebastian Gorka?     Who could have known that neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates, the KKK and other assorted white supremacists and anti-semites would support the racist King of the Birthers and feel enabled by him?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1.14  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @13.1.10    8 years ago
You mean as in referring to a Jew like George Soros with vilifying language and outright lies used for centuries to justify tormenting, attacking and even trying to annihilate them?  Whoever would do such a thing deserves ridicule and derision, don't you agree? 

People vilify George Soros because they don't understand the history of what it was like to be a Jew during WWII. Many Jews did anything to stay alive. Soros was a child when this all happened. My own uncle was one of the first people into Auschwitz at age 11 and managed to live there the entire war.  I am sure he did awful things to stay alive.  But how can we judge?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1.15  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Skrekk @13.1.13    8 years ago
Maybe through his promotion and tolerance of neo-Nazis and anti-semites......including the ones he deliberately hired to serve in his regime like Stephen Miller and Sebastian Gorka? 

He also hired a lot of Jews to be in his cabinet. Do I need to list them?

Who could have known that neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates, the KKK and other assorted white supremacists and anti-semites would support the racist King of the Birthers and feel enabled by him?

I would agree that he has enabled neo-nazis, with his lack of total condemnation of Charlottesville, and not knowing how to use the word "Nationalist". But this guy hates Trump. How can that be on him? It is illogical. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
13.1.16  sandy-2021492  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.15    8 years ago
He also hired a lot of Jews to be in his cabinet.

I'm going to have to disagree that this means he doesn't support or at least tolerate anti-semitism.  He hires women, too, but he holds distinctly misogynistic views.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
13.1.17  dave-2693993  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.14    8 years ago
they don't understand the history of what it was like to be a Jew during WWII.

In the European theater, my cousins spent their time dropping bombs on their cousins. They all had Jewish names.

I wonder how history portrays that?

One came to visit for a week after the wall came down.

My mom had to translate for us.

As old as he was, he was a master woodworker who restored Victorian era homes when he came here.

As you clearly allude to there are many stories well beyond a brushstroke.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1.18  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.16    8 years ago

Sandy, 

I honestly don't think the guy is an antisemite. What I do think is that he likes and enjoys an adulation from anyone who supports him including antisemites, and hence why he didn't speak out stronger about Charlottesville, which I found offensive. 

He has a disgusting mouth when it comes to women, that can't be denied. It's not like I am his fan, because I am not. But I also can recognize what is and what is not on him. I don't feel that this is on him. Did he create an environment for Nazis? Well if he did, it really backfired on him, since this nut hates him. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1.19  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  dave-2693993 @13.1.17    8 years ago
As you clearly allude to there are many stories well beyond a brushstroke.

That is very true Dave. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
13.1.20  Skrekk  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.15    8 years ago
He also hired a lot of Jews to be in his cabinet. Do I need to list them?

Whew, that's a relief to know that Trump hired not just antisemites but a few Jews too.   At least he hasn't hired any Muslims to balance out the Islamophobes who make up his entire administration.    He was wise too to get rid of the one black person he had while refusing to fire any of the white supremacists.    I could go on but I really hope you get the point - not even one of these dumb bigots belongs in ANY federal office much less the WH.    No ethical president would hire such people.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
13.1.21  Skrekk  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.18    8 years ago
Did he create an environment for Nazis? Well if he did, it really backfired on him, since this nut hates him.

If you believe your 2nd sentence you've been swallowing too much RW bug juice.    This terrorist just acted out the anti-refugee policy Trump would really like to enact.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
13.1.22  sandy-2021492  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.18    8 years ago
What I do think is that he likes and enjoys an adulation from anyone who supports him including antisemites, and hence why he didn't speak out stronger about Charlottesville, which I found offensive. 

Agreed.

I don't know that he's an anti-semite, either.  But I think he tolerates anti-semitism in those around him.  And I don't know that this has backfired on him.  This is one anti-semite who hates him.  Many more support and are emboldened by him.  He has unfortunately cultivated a culture of violence, so violence is no surprise.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
13.1.23  Skrekk  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.14    8 years ago
People vilify George Soros because they don't understand the history of what it was like to be a Jew during WWII. Many Jews did anything to stay alive. Soros was a child when this all happened.

Only RW nuts and FOX viewers vilify Soros and I doubt they know anything about him other than the various lies propagated by FOX.    If anything they're most irate that he's wealthy and not a rightwinger (and thus the demon at the core of the Great Leftist Conspiracy), but I wonder if they've ever considered why so few Jews in the US ever vote for Republicans?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.1.24  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.1.22    8 years ago
I don't know that he's an anti-semite, either.  But I think he tolerates anti-semitism in those around him.  And I don't know that this has backfired on him.  This is one anti-semite who hates him.  Many more support and are emboldened by him.  He has unfortunately cultivated a culture of violence, so violence is no surprise.

agreed.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Silent
13.2  PJ  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13    8 years ago

The site is a snapshot of what is happening within the country.  Hostility is at an all time high.  Someone's winning but it's not the American people.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
13.2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  PJ @13.2    8 years ago

I agree.  I wish it weren't so, but it is.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.2.2  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.2.1    8 years ago

I have to agree, too. And it pretty sad. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
13.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13    8 years ago
Disgusting.

Here's what I find disgusting, Sandy:  People who will, against a tsunami of evidence, refuse to take any responsibility for their hate-mongering comments and the defending support they give to the Hatemonger-in-Chief. The dead are not honored by trying to gloss over their murders with platitudes.   A foul weed has been planted and allowed to grow too long in the garden of our social fabric.  It needs to be dug out, from it's rank blossom to it's root and destroyed.  Delay is not an option. 

P.S.  I say this without prejudice to your comments.  I only feel they are not sufficient rather than wrong. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
13.3.2  lennylynx  replied to  Release The Kraken @13.3.1    8 years ago

Lol, if you want to see 'unhinged' just take a look at the pathetic mass of human excrement in the White Supremacist House.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
13.3.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @13.3    8 years ago

I agree that there is hate-mongering, and I agree that those engaging in it are refusing to take responsibility for its results.  That's the nature of hate-mongering.

But I think we need to be careful regarding whom we accuse of hate-mongering, lest we accuse and alienate those who are speaking out against it, and perhaps using terms that we misinterpret because they're delivered via the internet rather than face-to-face.  That type of knee-jerk reaction increases division and hate.  We should direct our opposition to the real hate-mongers.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
13.3.5  Nowhere Man  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @13.3    8 years ago
Here's what I find disgusting, Sandy:  People who will, against a tsunami of evidence, refuse to take any responsibility for their hate-mongering comments and the defending support they give to the Hatemonger-in-Chief. The dead are not honored by trying to gloss over their murders with platitudes.   A foul weed has been planted and allowed to grow too long in the garden of our social fabric.  It needs to be dug out, from it's rank blossom to it's root and destroyed.  Delay is not an option. 

[deletd]

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
13.3.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.3.3    8 years ago
But I think we need to be careful regarding whom we accuse of hate-mongering, lest we accuse and alienate those who are speaking out against it, and perhaps using terms that we misinterpret because they're delivered via the internet rather than face-to-face.  That type of knee-jerk reaction increases division and hate.  We should direct our opposition to the real hate-mongers.

AMEN!

Using a tragedy like this to foist his own hate.... selfish in the extreme..

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
13.3.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Release The Kraken @13.3.1    8 years ago
Well a perfect example of the unhinged and hysterical rhetoric that has this country turned upside down.

Spare me the sermon, BF.  You aren't qualified to preach either by training or reputation.  Otherwise, you're okay.....sorta and in small doses. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
13.3.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Release The Kraken @13.3.4    8 years ago
I'd vote for a candidate that actually has a moral high ground this time if one actually makes it through the primaries.

Primaries are long gone, Fish.  Would love to know what your definition of "moral high ground" could be. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
13.3.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Nowhere Man @13.3.6    8 years ago
Using a tragedy like this to foist his own hate.... selfish in the extreme..

Unlike pretending a tragedy like this is an orphan, springing up out of nowhere with no "father"  being held responsible for stoking the fires of hatred of its foul offspring.   That's more in the despicable category.  Which is to say Scumbag territory.  

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
13.3.11  A. Macarthur  replied to  Release The Kraken @13.3.8    8 years ago

You need to explain that, bf.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
13.3.12  Skrekk  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.3.3    8 years ago
But I think we need to be careful regarding whom we accuse of hate-mongering, lest we accuse and alienate those who are speaking out against it, and perhaps using terms that we misinterpret because they're delivered via the internet rather than face-to-face.

It would be great if Trump and his supporters actually condemned hate mongering and the demonization of minorities rather than engaging in it themselves.    But what would a Trump rally be without hate mongering and pandering to irrational fear?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
13.3.13  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13.3.3    8 years ago
But I think we need to be careful regarding whom we accuse of hate-mongering, lest we accuse and alienate those who are speaking out against it, and perhaps using terms that we misinterpret because they're delivered via the internet rather than face-to-face.  That type of knee-jerk reaction increases division and hate.  We should direct our opposition to the real hate-mongers.

Well said Sandy!

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
13.3.14  Colour Me Free  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @13.3.9    8 years ago
I'd vote for a candidate that actually has a moral high ground this time if one actually makes it through the primaries.
Primaries are long gone, Fish.  Would love to know what your definition of "moral high ground" could be. 

I know I am going to regret engaging you .. but did you actually read what fish wrote before going off on "moral high ground" … I am thinking not.

"I'd" is actually 'I would' which is future tense .. thus the 'primaries are long gone' shows that you did not comprehend what you read .. just my opinionated interpretation of your lack of understanding...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
13.4  Jasper2529  replied to  sandy-2021492 @13    8 years ago

Not everybody, but you're close.  Good comment, sandy.

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
14  lennylynx    8 years ago

Just 8??  Pretty weak-kneed rampage by American standards, I mean, if you can't even reach double digits, why bother?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
14.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  lennylynx @14    8 years ago
Just 8??  Pretty weak-kneed rampage by American standards, I mean, if you can't even reach double digits, why bother?

He would have gotten more but apparently got hit by police fire.  He came in shouting "All Jews must die" as he started the rampage. But let's not rush to judgment or use harsh language about this, right? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
15  MrFrost    8 years ago

Suspect identified as Robert Bowers, 46 years old. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Silent
16  lennylynx    8 years ago

Well, I've had enough of banging my head against the Trump wall.  The bars are open...see ya! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
Junior Quiet
16.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  lennylynx @16    8 years ago

Cheers 🥃

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
17  A. Macarthur    8 years ago

This one's close to home … it could well have been members of my family.

I'm real fucking sick of this "resentful white-boys with guns" bullshit! It's no coincidence … in the era of Donald Trump, that hateful-assholes-with-delusional-Second Amendment-lust-water-the-tree-of-liberty-knuckle-dragging-violence-evoking-Mussolni-Hitler-precedented-incited-rallies-from-the-top-and-propaganda-media-morons think they have been given license to hate and murder.

Spare me the fucking "false-flag" apologist circle-jerking. Among other things, Nazi gangs carrying TRUMP flags are currently being arrested … the violence of the last week was inevitableUS charges four members of white nationalist Rise Above Movement

Four members of California-based Rise Above Movement slapped with federal charges stemming from attacks and rioting.

24 Oct 2018

The leader of a California-based   white nationalist  group and three others have been charged with attacking demonstrators and conspiring to incite riots at political rallies across the state, federal prosecutors said on Wednesday.

Robert Rundo, 28-year-old founder of the   Rise Above Movement   (RAM), was taken into custody on Sunday at Los Angeles International Airport.

Two other members of the group, Robert Boman, 25, and Tyler Laube, 22, were arrested on Wednesday morning, said Thom Mrozek, spokesman for the US Attorney's Office in Los Angeles. Aaron Eason, 38, remains at large.

"The allegations describe an orchestrated effort to squelch free speech as members of the conspiracy travelled to multiple locations to attack those who hold different views," US Attorney Nick Hanna said in a statement.

Rundo, Boman, and Laube are accused of attacking counter-protesters and two journalists at a March 25, 2017 "Make America Great Again" rally in Rundo's hometown of Huntington Beach, California.

TRUMP THE SELF-PROCLAIMED "NATIONALIST" -- the Chickens Coming Home to Roost …

And bet your asses that by tonight, Trump supporters will again be yelling "LOCK HIM UP" … "him" being Jewish boogey-man for the right, George Soros.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
17.3  Skrekk  replied to  A. Macarthur @17    8 years ago
The leader of a California-based white nationalist group and three others have been charged with attacking demonstrators and conspiring to incite riots at political rallies across the state, federal prosecutors said on Wednesday.

Those were some of the "very fine people" whom Trump praised at the Charlottesville Trumpista rally.   A real shame that Trump wasn't able to prevent those indictments but maybe a pardon is in the works?    At the very least it sounds like Trump needs to control the DOJ better before those US Attorneys indict more of his base.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18  Vic Eldred    8 years ago

Robert Bowers 48 years old. An anti-Semitic Trump hater

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
18.1  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @18    8 years ago

Clinton lover, right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @18.1    8 years ago

Sorry that I have to take the same tone as those on the left, but they need to hear it

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
18.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.1.1    8 years ago

It is just considering what Bowers did, the things he allegedly said during the act.  Do you believe him?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @18.1.2    8 years ago
Do you believe him?

Believe what?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
18.1.5  bbl-1  replied to    8 years ago

Ah yes.  "The witch."  And of course "the witch hunt."  The word 'witch' is such a well chosen one.

Well, the 'non witches' led by McConnel and crew are preparing to raid the Medicare and Social Security funds.  Praise the non witches.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
18.1.6  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.1.4    8 years ago

Yowzers.  Forgot your comment already that 'the shooter' was a Trump hater?

Lordy.  Who dresses and feeds conservatives every morning?

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
18.2  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @18    8 years ago
An anti-Semitic Trump hater

Nah, he was just whining that Trump does too much pandering to Jews despite the fact that he's got anti-semites in key positions in his regime and the fact that he praises neo-Nazis and anti-semites as "very fine people".

Don't forget the Trumpista's rallying call: "Jews will not replace us!"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Skrekk @18.2    8 years ago

Instead of tearing into all of that "stuff" you posted, I'll just chalk it up as delirium from your grief. I know of your concern for Jewish Americans, so let's just say it's another sad day for the country. Condolences to the victims and their families

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
18.2.2  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.2.1    8 years ago
Instead of tearing into all of that "stuff" you posted, I'll just chalk it up as delirium from your grief.

Or you could post a link to support the false comment you made at 17.1.7.    Funny that even your own citations don't support your crap.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
18.3  A. Macarthur  replied to  Vic Eldred @18    8 years ago
Robert Bowers 48 years old. An anti-Semitic Trump hater

Until such time if/any, you can verify that, I'll deem your comment, an oxymoron.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  A. Macarthur @18.3    8 years ago

You can "deem" it any way you want. In post #17.1.5 you made this statement:

"An anti-semite living in Trump's America has been given more than enough go-aheads by Trump at his rallies and via his equivocation regarding neo-nazis being "fine people".


I though you were a little better than that

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
18.3.4  A. Macarthur  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.3.1    8 years ago
You can "deem" it any way you want. In post  #17 .1.5 you made this statement:

"An anti-semite living in Trump's America has been given more than enough go-aheads by Trump at his rallies and via his equivocation regarding neo-nazis being "fine people".


I though you were a little better than that

My statement is accurate … both the environment and the gun culture allowed this. And don't damn me with feint praise … make a point-counter-point rebuttal if you can.

IMPASSE.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
18.3.5  A. Macarthur  replied to    8 years ago
Both the environment created by Trump and the gun culture allowed this. Ironically, Bowers' disillusionment with Trump IS EXACTLY WHAT TRUMP'S DISILLUSIONMENT IS WITH SOROS, namely, Bowers says "Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist", and Soros, being Jewish, makes him a double boogeyman for Trump, his base and anti-semites.
IMPASSE.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @19    8 years ago

Never mind the deflection John. It's time to confront the truth

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
19.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1    8 years ago

So the 'truth' would be, 71% of the shootings in the past decade were committed by those that stand against voter suppression, tax cuts for the already wealthy, Choice, cuts to Medicare, Social Security and equality?  Really?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @19.1.1    8 years ago

The truth would be that one hate filled maniac committed another atrocity and that over a century since the ADL was founded we still have this type of criminality

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
19.1.4  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1    8 years ago
It's time to confront the truth

You mean like the fact that the terrorist admitted that he shot up a synagogue because he opposes immigration and hates immigrants?

“HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people..I’m going in”

Sounds like he's just another conservative white Republican and Trump voter who responded to Trump's xenophobic dog whistles.    5 year old refugees from Honduras are far more of a threat than Trump's delusional and heavily armed base.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
19.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  bbl-1 @19.1.1    8 years ago
So the 'truth' would be, 71% of the shootings in the past decade were committed by those that stand against voter suppression, tax cuts for the already wealthy, Choice, cuts to Medicare, Social Security and equality?  Really?

What the heck does any of that rambling comment have to do with a crazy, middle-aged man who hates Jewish people and murdered/injured them in a synagogue? Sheesh!

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
19.1.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  Jasper2529 @19.1.5    8 years ago

doesn't matter, their T-rump hate trumps everything that is the only thing being revealed here...

Well, that and their leaders calls to be as nasty as they can be towards everyone that disagrees with them...

Combined with the usual take advantage of every crisis/disaster/tragedy they can....

At this point NONE of them can claim any kind of Compassion for anyone else, ALL of them have a hate level at LEAST as large as those that they complain about. And last but not least they want to start a war, if they haven't already started one.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
19.1.7  Skrekk  replied to  Nowhere Man @19.1.6    8 years ago
doesn't matter, their T-rump hate trumps everything that is the only thing being revealed here...

What's been revealed is what the terrorist admitted - that he shot up the synagogue and killed a bunch of Jews because they support refugees, and Trump and FOX and the GOP have taught him to hate refugees and other immigrants.    Funny that you still don't get that despite what the terrorist said this morning:

“HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people..I’m going in”
 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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19.1.8  Nowhere Man  replied to  Skrekk @19.1.7    8 years ago

The only thing that is showing is that you and those of your political bent HATE the current president enough that any bad thing that happens in this nation is a direct result of T-rump.....

And that is ALL that is being revealed....

Liberal hate has no bounds... (or no connection with reality)

Makes a perfect demonstration of hate for hate's sake though

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
19.1.10  Skrekk  replied to    8 years ago
"Bowers appeared disillusioned with Trump for not sharing Bowers' anti-Semitic and extremist views."

I'm not sure where your quote is from but if accurate it shows that Bowers was naive since Trump does support Bowers' anti-Semitic and extremist views.    If anything Bowers was acting out on Trump's desire for anti-refugee activism and responding to Trump's xenophobic dog whistles against refugees, as well as Trump's vocal support for violence against the people he hates.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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19.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @19    8 years ago

I dont know what all you right wingers and libertarians are babbling about. The anti-defamation league says the great majority of extremist murders in the US are committed by the right. 

Comment on that or move to a different thread. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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19.2.1  Skrekk  replied to  JohnRussell @19.2    8 years ago

And in this case we already know that the terrorist is an antisemitic right winger who violently opposes refugees being admitted to the US, and thus doubly hates Jewish organizations like HIAS which give aid to refugees.    He's the classic butt-hurt conservative white guy.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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20  bbl-1    8 years ago

The president, before boarding Air Force One to attend an FFA meeting and a MAGA Rally later in the evening, commented that law enforcement did an excellent job and if the Temple had been armed the outcome may have been different.

Ahh.  Different shooting, same response from the MAGA Man.  Like an old, over played vinyl record with a skip in it.

Ivanka tweeted her disgust at the shooting though.  Her words were well chosen, cultivated, deftly stating the obvious to the oblivious.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
21  JohnRussell    8 years ago

In Charlottesville, the marchers chanted “Jews will not replace us” Trump called them “very fine people” https://twitter.com/philiprucker/status/1056253852964581376 …

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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22  Vic Eldred    8 years ago

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
22.1  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @22    8 years ago

To take the word of a nutbag seriously, while leveling a degree of modicum to those words is giving credence to nutbagism.  That same stance is found on Daily Stormer also.  So-----------your point would be?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
22.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @22.1    8 years ago
An anti-semite living in Trump's America has been given more than enough go-aheads by Trump at his rallies and via his equivocation regarding neo-nazis being "fine people".

There is plenty of anti-Semitism still around, to this very day and to try and tie it to Trump is really rich, considering all the obvious anti-Semites actually promoting such hate.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
22.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Release The Kraken @22.1.2    8 years ago

Yup and I could go a bit further with that but I'll let it go for now

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
22.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @22.1.3    8 years ago

"Let it go for now."

Wise choice.  Especially considering the Bannon, Gorka and Miller influence in the current administration.  Not to mention 'The Proud Boys' prideful decree of their desire to take over the republican party.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
22.1.5  JBB  replied to  Release The Kraken @22.1.2    8 years ago

Mere criticism of the far right wing current political leadership in Israel is not antisemitic. In fact, the majority of Jewish people in the US often express displeasure with many of Netanyahu's and the Likud Party's repressive anti-democratic policies. That certainly is not antisemitism. When the truly antisemitic far right wingers such as we all saw spouting truely antisemetic slogans in Charlotville and their ilk online point to liberal Jews and achedemia to make the plainly false claim that liberals are the real true antisemites among us that is not just mere political obsfucation. No, that is an example of the Nazi Goebels BIG LIE. That is rank propaganda which is wilfully misleading and even politically dangerous. Recent events bear this out. You and Vic are both making grosd false equivalencies which are plainly contrary to the truth. Antisemitism is a hallmark of the far right wing, of extreme conservatism. Radical stuff, indeef. Liberal criticism of the far right leaders in Israel is not antisindeed. No matter how badly some wish it to be. So cut the crap and quit trying to make such untruthful illogical arguments. People kniw better so it ruins and shred of credibility you still retain beyond all odds...

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
22.1.7  Skrekk  replied to  Release The Kraken @22.1.6    8 years ago
There are plenty of antisemitism in the ranks of the uber left.

Wake me up the next time there's a neo-Nazi rally (or a Trump rally)  sponsored by the "uber left", or the next time a leftist shoots up a synagogue.    Heck....wake me up the next time there's more than one or two Jewish Republican members of Congress.     One of the last ones foolish enough to be Jewish and Republican had his campaign windows shot out.

Or perhaps like many right wingers you've ignorantly confused criticism of Israel's Likudnik government with antisemitism?

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
22.2  Skrekk  replied to  Vic Eldred @22    8 years ago
Jewish Control Of The U.S. & Many Whites Agree With Minister Farrakhan

In fact  Farrakhan has frequently praised Trump for destroying the FBI and the DOJ, and for refusing donations from Jewish PACs.    Farrakhan has also said that "god" picked Trump as prez, which is exactly what Trump's superstitious bases says.    Seems like you guys have a great deal in common so it's no wonder you frequently cite Farrakhan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/11/16/saying-god-picked-trump-nation-of-islam-leader-louis-farrakhan-portrays-him-as-both-truth-talking-hero-and-racist-villain/?utm_term=.f1b67663aa51

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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23  Nowhere Man    8 years ago

Well this just confirms one thing.

T-rump hate trumps all as far as the liberal side of thing matters.

Anything bad happens in this nation blame it on T-rump....

The realization of Hillary's dream, any one that disagrees with you hate them as they are all disgusting deplorables....

but to sink this low..... to capitalize on others tragedy?

Use one sick fuck's hate to advance your own hate?

Very very sick.....

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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23.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nowhere Man @23    8 years ago

Trump has embraced Nazis.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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23.1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Thrawn 31 @23.1    8 years ago

only in your own mind...

 
 
 
Skrekk
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23.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.1.1    8 years ago

Those neo-Nazis sure are some "very fine people", aren't they?    Heck, the terrorist in this case explicitly supports Trump's anti-immigrant and anti-refugee position.    That's why he shot up the synagogue.

“HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people..I’m going in”

Good thing that Trump decided to hold his white supremacist rally in southern Illinois tonight.....you don't want to let an opportunity like this go to waste.   He'll make a few dishonest comments against violence but then he'll start right up again with the xenophobic pandering and the hate mongering, and his calls for violence against reporters and anyone else disloyal to the Reich.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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23.1.3  Skrekk  replied to  Thrawn 31 @23.1    8 years ago
Trump has embraced Nazis.

He's even hired several to serve on his WH staff.    One even ran his campaign for a while.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
23.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.1.1    8 years ago

Oh, so there aren't good people when it comes to Neo Nazis? better pass that message to fat fuck. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
23.1.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  Skrekk @23.1.2    8 years ago

Indeed he will. That is what 100% amoral people do.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
23.1.7  Thrawn 31  replied to  XDm9mm @23.1.5    8 years ago
That's even too stupid for you to embrace.   Why don't you use the WHOLE quote and not truncate it to what YOU want it to say.

You mean the 

“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”

"You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.

Quotes? How much more do we need? 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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23.1.8  Nowhere Man  replied to  Thrawn 31 @23.1.4    8 years ago

The only good nazi is one that serves as a receptacle for ballistic residue....

Does that make it clear for you?

But then again a nazi to you is anyone that disagrees with you...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
23.1.10  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nowhere Man @23.1.8    8 years ago
The only good nazi is one that serves as a receptacle for ballistic residue...

Better tell Trump, because he finds them to be very fine.

Does that make it clear for you?

Your position maybe, but nothing else. 

But then again a nazi to you is anyone that disagrees with you...

No dumb fuck, a Nazi to me is someone who embraces, or sympathizes with the ideology of National Socialism. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
23.1.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Release The Kraken @23.1.9    8 years ago
Oh that's right, we've heard for two years now that Stephen Miller the Jewish adviser is a Nazi.

He's just a little bitch who got beat up a lot in high school. That is all he will ever be.

All the recent calls by the media for Trump to tone down the rhetoric? Has anyone listened to these crack pots on cnn, msnbc?

Or Fox? Or the radio? Hence why I said fuck them all from the start of all this. The politicians who stay silent, those who only speak out when it is benefits them, and those who only speak up when all of a sudden it is their asses on the line. And fuck those who stoke these fires in the first place. [deleted]

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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25  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    8 years ago

I am closing this article down. It has become very intense and that was not my intent. It was news and I reported it. I could not see the outcome, although I should have known better. Sad to see that I somehow made matters worse and I really don't want anyone to get any violations from it. 

Thank you all for your understanding in advance. 

 
 

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