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Trump: This 'Wicked Act of Mass Murder Is Pure Evil’

  

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Via:  xxjefferson51  •  8 years ago  •  133 comments

Trump: This 'Wicked Act of Mass Murder Is Pure Evil’
This wicked act of mass murder is pure evil, hard to believe and, frankly, something that is unimaginable," Trump told the audience at the Future Farmers of America convention in Indiapolis Saturday afternoon. "Our nation and the world are shocked and stunned by the grief. This was an anti-Semitic act. You wouldn't think this would be possible in this day and age, but we just don't seem to learn from the past."

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President Donald Trump on Saturday lamented the "wicked act of mass musrder" that claimed at least 11 lives at a synagogue in Pittsburgh when a gunman stormed a baby-naming ceremony there.

"This wicked act of mass murder is pure evil, hard to believe and, frankly, something that is unimaginable," Trump told the audience at the Future Farmers of America convention in Indiapolis Saturday afternoon. "Our nation and the world are shocked and stunned by the grief. This was an anti-Semitic act. You wouldn't think this would be possible in this day and age, but we just don't seem to learn from the past."

Previously, in speaking with reporters ahead of his Indiapolis speech, Trump said the "devastating" attack by a shooter on the Tree of Life synagogue lays bare the "hate in our country" and speculated that the death toll — "a lot of people killed" — would have been curbed if the building had had an armed guard.

Trump also said gun control "has little to do with it" but "if they had protection inside, the results would have been far better."

Authorities said the gunman opened fire during a baby-naming ceremony Saturday morning at the Tree of Life Congregation in Pittsburgh's Squirrel Hill neighborhood. The attack is being investigated as a hate crime.

"This is a case where, if they had an armed guard inside, they might have been able to stop him immediately," Trump said. "Maybe there would have been nobody killed, except for him, frankly. So it's a very, very - a very difficult situation."

In previous mass shootings, Trump has at times said he would consider tightening certain gun controls but in the main has called for more armed guards in places such as schools.

"The world is a violent world," he said Saturday. "And you think when you're over it, it just sort of goes away, but then it comes back in the form of a madman, a wacko. ... They had a maniac walk in and they didn't have any protection and that is just so sad to see, so sad to see."

Trump said lawmakers "should very much bring the death penalty into vogue" and people who kill in places such as synagogues and churches "really should suffer the ultimate price."

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders tweeted: "We stand in total solidarity with the victims and all of the Jewish community against bigotry and hate."


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lady in black
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2  lady in black    8 years ago

But also said the following and was wrong as usual and back to attacking, toned down my aunt fanny still denigrating a woman as per usual

Mr. Trump said he thought about canceling the rally after the shooting, but he incorrectly noted that the New York Stock Exchange opened the "day after 9/11." It remained closed for six days after the terrorist attack.

"We have our lives," Mr. Trump said. "We have our schedules. And nobody's going to change it. So we're here. And let's have a good time. And if you don't mind: I'm going to tone it down just a little bit."

But Mr. Trump did hit some of his familiar campaign points, calling Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" about her DNA test. He also repeated his point that this will be an election "of caravans, Kavanaughs, law and order, tax cuts and you know what? And will be the election of common sense."

 
 
 
Rmando
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3  Rmando    8 years ago

It doesn't matter to the left how forcefully Trump condemns these murders. The Trump haters out there are going to hate no matter what. They don't have any positive messages of their own.

 
 
 
lady in black
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3.2  lady in black  replied to  Rmando @3    8 years ago

Him condemning the shooting is what he should say and left it at that.  But no, true to trump form he goes back to attacking and denigrating the media and a woman.

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.2.1  Rmando  replied to  lady in black @3.2    8 years ago

The dishonest media and cultural appropriators need to be called out at every opportunity. CNN and their constant propaganda are a big part of the reason why no one trusts the media anymore and just divides society even more.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.2.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Rmando @3.2.1    8 years ago

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lady in black
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3.2.3  lady in black  replied to  Rmando @3.2.1    8 years ago

The media is 100x more honest than trump has ever been.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  lady in black @3.2.3    8 years ago

I'd say that's a conservative estimate.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Rmando @3    8 years ago
It doesn't matter to the left how forcefully Trump condemns these murders

Because an hour later he will endorse them. Do you still not get the the POS is a conman? Liker, seriously? I am generally curious. 

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.3.1  Rmando  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.3    8 years ago

I get that Trump has delivered or tried to on everything he promised. Tax cuts, SCOTUS picks, deregulating unnecessary rules and burdens, etc...

The left doesn't like Trump because he actually does what he says. Obama was the con man who stirred up resentment with careless comments about cops and violence- "the cops behaved stupidly"- and denigrating the hard work of average Americans- "you didn't build that". I'll take Trump and his occasional exaggeration any day.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.3.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Rmando @3.3.1    8 years ago

I sure dont see it that way. I see both presidents doing what each of them thought was best for America. Both had/have good intentions but they both come at it from different points of view and direction.

Both "carelessly" used some "violent" rhetoric but IMO: trump uses it more. 

only time will tell which president did more good and more harm to the country.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.3.3  Skrekk  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.3.2    8 years ago
I see both presidents doing what each of them thought was best for America.

I'm not sure how fear mongering, praising violent attacks on blacks and the press, demonizing refugees, pandering to bigots, persecuting minorities or hiring white supremacists into the WH can be considered "best for America".   It might be best for Trump but it's not good for anyone else.

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.3.4  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @3.3.3    8 years ago

"I'm not sure how fear mongering, praising violent attacks on blacks and the press, demonizing refugees, pandering to bigots, persecuting minorities or hiring white supremacists into the WH can be considered "best for America"."

Too bad for you those things are only happening in your imagination. And btw illegal aliens are criminals, not refugees.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.3.5  arkpdx  replied to  Skrekk @3.3.3    8 years ago
fear mongering,

Nope. Pretty sure the democrats and liberals have the patent on that or have you forgotten how the left keeps trying to scar everyone stays by claiming the republicans want to kill your grandma,  starve your kids,  pollute the water and air and they are waging war on everyone 

praising violent attacks on blacks and the press

what attacks would those be. Please be specific .

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.3.6  arkpdx  replied to  Rmando @3.3.4    8 years ago
illegal aliens are criminals,

Absolutely true. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.3.7  Skrekk  replied to  arkpdx @3.3.5    8 years ago
praising violent attacks on blacks and the press
what attacks would those be. Please be specific .

Sounds like you haven't paid attention to Trump's praise for the Republican who assaulted a reporter in Montana, or for his promise to pay the legal bills of any supporters who assaulted black protesters at his rallies.

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.3.8  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @3.3.7    8 years ago

Actually Trump foolishly offered to pay legal bills ONE time to anybody that punched out a protestor. Any speculation about it being protestors of certain colors is pure fantasy and not based on reality.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.3.9  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @3.3.8    8 years ago
Actually Trump foolishly offered to pay legal bills ONE time to anybody that punched out a protestor.

Yeah right......it's just a coincidence that the protester being beaten by Trump supporting thugs was black, as were almost all the other protesters who were assaulted at Trump's subsequent white supremacist rallies.

 
 
 
Rmando
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3.3.10  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @3.3.9    8 years ago

That's not true, but I suppose nothing will deter you from your delusions.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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3.3.11  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  arkpdx @3.3.6    8 years ago
illegal aliens are criminals,
         Absolutely true. 

So are Trump-inspired mass murderers--much bigger threats to our society that undocumented immigrants, who are much more law-abiding than citizens by every study of that issue. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    8 years ago

What a sad and horrible story.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5  bbl-1    8 years ago

Trump gets another pass.  He said the shooter was evil.  What ever.  In Trumpenkrieger World everything is evil except him.  And Ivanka of course.

And naturally he'll proudly proclaim how 'toney' he is in front of the sea of MAGA hats at $25 apiece.  Bully for the Trump.  And bully-bully for the Trumpers.

And the Trump called for 'the death penalty.'  Oh boy.  The big dude on the stick horse.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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6  Thrawn 31    8 years ago
Trump: This 'Wicked Act Of Mass Murder Is Pure Evil

Lol, I cannot even take this seriously. Not even remotely. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6    8 years ago
Lol, I cannot even take this seriously. Not even remotely. 

It was a coherent sentence.  Therefore he was reading from a script not speaking his own beliefs.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

It's no surprise to me that the very first reader comment on the Yahoo News report about this incident was:  "It's a good start."  I couldn't bring myself to read any farther. 

Welcome to America.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    8 years ago

What have we become?

 
 
 
cjcold
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7.1.2  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.1    8 years ago

You just don't get it. It was Trump and the far right that inspired this lunacy.  And yes, your far right seeds and comments are also to blame for the division in America.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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7.1.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.1    8 years ago
what America has become when they refuse to come together in national unity even after an event like this.

I'd include the "event" of the 13 mail bombs of the day before as well. So quickly forgotten.

IMO: Both sides have let their radicals take their parties almost to the point of insanity.

Stop the insanity  !!!

512

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.1    8 years ago

The left has objected to calling those who share the shooter's beliefs "very fine people".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.1.3    8 years ago
Both sides

hooray !  lol

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.6  Skrekk  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.1.3    8 years ago
IMO: Both sides have let their radicals take their parties almost to the point of insanity.

Steve, that's just a really pathetic response given the situation.    It trivializes the very real and very violent harm which Trump has been fostering, and it ignores what the GOP has become.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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7.1.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1    8 years ago
What have we become?

It's really what we've always been.  This underbelly has been with the country from its beginning--for its first 90 years or so called all the shots even though it was a minority of the country and even after that maintained political power much greater than its numbers should have allowed it.   IOW, much like it remains today.   In fact, the South insisted on a 3/5 rule, a Senate and the EC precisely as a way to hold power even when it didn't have the numbers.  Yes, Southern Dems were the worst perps for most of that time but now the entire Republican Party has taken their place.  

 
 
 
Rmando
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7.1.8  Rmando  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.1.7    8 years ago

You don't know your history. The South wanted slaves to count as FULL citizens in the census while not being allowed to vote. The 3/5th compromise was agreed on because the North didn't want slaves to be counted at all so Southerners wouldn't be over represented in Congress by using non voting slaves to inflate their numbers.

The EC had nothing to do with slavery. It was set up so states with small populations (northern states like Rhode Island) wouldn't get overwhelmed by large states like Virginia, which was a slave state with a much larger population.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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7.1.9  Nowhere Man  replied to  Rmando @7.1.8    8 years ago

They don't give a damn, their view is that this nation was racist from the start created by racists and set up to maintain racism to this day.

In essence, completely brain dead when it comes to acknowledging factual history....

Teaching/expounding race hatred passes for history today.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.10  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @7.1.8    8 years ago
You don't know your history. The South wanted slaves to count as FULL citizens in the census while not being allowed to vote. The 3/5th compromise was agreed on because the North didn't want slaves to be counted at all so Southerners wouldn't be over represented in Congress by using non voting slaves to inflate their numbers.

In other words the white supremacist slave owners wanted disproportionate power in Congress.

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The EC had nothing to do with slavery. It was set up so states with small populations (northern states like Rhode Island) wouldn't get overwhelmed by large states like Virginia, which was a slave state with a much larger population.

Actually the EC was the other half of the 3/5ths compromise and its central purpose really was to preserve slavery.    It was set up to (hopefully) insure that no anti-slavery president could attain office.   The big state vs small state issue was settled by the  difference between Senate and House representation.   This is from one historian at Yale:

There are several standard stories that I learned in school, and then there's an emerging story that I find more explanatory. I learned in school that it was a balance between big and small states. But the real divisions in America have never been big and small states; they're between North and South, and between coasts and the center.

The House versus Senate is big versus small state, but from the beginning big states have almost always prevailed in the Electoral College. We've only had three small-state presidents in American history: Zachary Taylor, Franklin Pierce, and Bill Clinton. All of the early presidents came from big states. So that theory isn't particularly explanatory.

Then there's the theory that the framers really didn't believe in democracy. But they put the Constitution to a vote, they created a House of Representatives that was directly elected, they believed in direct election of governors, and there are all sorts of other democratic features in the Constitution. So that theory isn't so explanatory.

There is an idea that democracy doesn't work continentally because there are informational problems. How are people on one part of the continent supposed to know how good someone is on another part of the continent? But once political parties appear on the scene, they have platforms. And ordinary people know what they stand for, and presidential candidates are linked to local slates of politicians. So that problem is solved.

So what's the real answer? In my view, it's slavery. In a direct election system, the South would have lost every time because a huge percentage of its population was slaves, and slaves couldn't vote. But an Electoral College allows states to count slaves, albeit at a discount (the three-fifths clause), and that's what gave the South the inside track in presidential elections . And thus it's no surprise that eight of the first nine presidential races were won by a Virginian. (Virginia was the most populous state at the time, and had a massive slave population that boosted its electoral vote count.)

This pro-slavery compromise was not clear to everyone when the Constitution was adopted, but it was clearly evident to everyone when the Electoral College was amended after the Jefferson-Adams contest of 1796 and 1800. These elections were decided, in large part, by the extra electoral votes created by slavery. Without the 13 extra electoral votes created by Southern slavery, John Adams would've won even in 1800, and every federalist knows that after the election.

And yet when the Constitution is amended, the slavery bias is preserved.

 
 
 
Rmando
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7.1.11  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @7.1.10    8 years ago

Yale professor or not, his reasoning is way off. The biggest states were still mostly the slave states. The EC helped balance out the representation of the larger slave states in favor of the smaller New England slave states. As the left found out in 2000 and 2016 there comes a point when the advantage of having the most population on the books maxes out at a certain point. But even if the logic about the EC is true that it helped slave states, then it's still true today in states like CA where illegal aliens are included in the census but aren't supposed to be voting.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.12  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @7.1.11    8 years ago
Yale professor or not, his reasoning is way off. The biggest states were still mostly the slave states. The EC helped balance out the representation of the larger slave states in favor of the smaller New England slave states.

Sorry but he's exactly right, you're just obviously not understanding it.   While they were all slave states at the time it was the south which had a huge percentage of black slaves relative to the small white male landowning class (the "voters") and thus those southern states benefited by far the most in counting "property" when allocating EC electors.    For a long time it gave the southern slave states a potential veto power over the installation of a president unfriendly to the south.    So the 3/5ths compromise was a double whammy which unduly privileged white southern slave owners via both the EC and by their number of representatives in the House.    That was its plainly-stated purpose.

Note that Prof Reed is hardly the only one to make the analysis that the EC is a rather obvious vestige of white supremacy and slavery.   Many other historians have observed that the supposed big state vs small state justification for the EC didn't even come into existence until many decades after the US was formed, at least not until the mid 1800s when there was growing disparity between rural states and states with more well developed cities.

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As the left found out in 2000 and 2016 there comes a point when the advantage of having the most population on the books maxes out at a certain point.

It just shows the danger of leaving such detritus in the constitution since it results in a president who lacks legitimacy and is opposed from the outset by the majority of the population.   Every time the EC has installed a president against the will of the popular vote the result has been a disaster.

The good news is that a remedy is already in the works and it won't require any involvement from the dumb bigots in the GOP-controlled red states.   The National Popular Vote has a good chance of going into effect within the next decade.......especially now that the nation has seen how much harm the EC can cause.

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But even if the logic about the EC is true that it helped slave states, then it's still true today in states like CA where illegal aliens are included in the census but aren't supposed to be voting.

????   That's a truly moronic comment.    I'm not sure how that verbal diarrhea relates to anything here.

 
 
 
Rmando
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7.1.13  Rmando  replied to  Skrekk @7.1.12    8 years ago

The only way the EC is going away is with a Constitutional amendment or a ratification that takes 3/4 of the states. FYI calling all the states with Republican governors "bigots" is not going to help your case. The EC prevented disaster in the last election. Sane Americans were saved from leftist coastal mob rule.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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7.1.15  Spikegary  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @7.1.3    8 years ago

Couldn't agree more........

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.16  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.14    8 years ago
It is indeed a moronic claim that the EC has "installed" any President over the will of the majority. That just is a blatant lie.

Actually it's exactly what they did when they installed Trump, a bigoted sociopath who couldn't even win a plurality of votes much less win the majority.    No wonder 60% of the country despises him and 57% of women want him impeached ASAP.    That's what happens when the EC thwarts the will of the people and it's a very good reason to enact the NPV to prevent it from ever happening again.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.1.18  Skrekk  replied to  Rmando @7.1.13    8 years ago
The only way the EC is going away is with a Constitutional amendment or a ratification that takes 3/4 of the states.

No constitutional amendment at all is necessary to void the EC.    I suggest you learn about the National Popular Vote and how many states have already passed it.    What happened in the 2016 election just fuels the fire to pass the NPV in other states but as it is it will become a fact in the near future.

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FYI calling all the states with Republican governors "bigots" is not going to help your case.

Obviously not all the persons in those benighted red states are dumb bigots, [deleted]

 
 
 
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address the topic, not other members
 
 
 
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7.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    8 years ago
Welcome to America.

Where you don't live. 

 
 
 
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7.4.2  JBB  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @7.4.1    8 years ago

The consistent debasement, dehumanization and demonization of all our American Democratic Jewish Leaders here in the USA both in Congress and in our greater society by foriegn propagandists should be stopped. NOW! Neither advertisers nor DECENT contributors wish to be associated with websites pandering to and enabling foreign propagandist peddling anti-American hogwash meant plainly to stoke division and hatred. WAKE UP PEOPLE! It goes on right in front of our eyes yet anyone with the vision to see what is actually going on around here and with the guts to speak up about it is who get officially branded as being the antisemite in this upside down and through the lookinglass blind alley. So, pardon me for being sick and tired of all their false grace and false victimhood...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

When I woke up, after first reading the Yahoo News article about this, I did not see Perrie's article on this tragic incident, as she had locked it and it was most likely right off the front page. All I saw was this article.  I was going to post that what happened was not about Trump, or what he said, but instead I asked Perrie why this was this tragedy was not the Featured Article, instead of one about outlawing teenagers from kissing in a third world country (VERY important news), and she gave me the link to the original one she had posted. It took me about 3/4 of an hour to get through the article and all the comments (I'm a slow, methodical reader, not a skimmer). She told me why she locked it, and I agreed with her.  Not only did the comments mostly refer to Trump, or were simply members from both sides of a political stance shooting at each other over the issue, politicizing it, but mostly refraining from getting to the point, which is antisemitism.  

The ridiculousness of the dispute between the members is that although they blame or defend Trump, the big increase in antisemitism is not just in the USA - it is almost world-wide. (I say almost, because I know for a fact that China is virtually free of antisemitism.)  Why is it increasing to the extent that it is in countries like Sweden, France, England, to the extent that many Jews are fleeing from them?  It's not Trump that is the cause of that.  In my opinion, latent antisemitism is much more prevalent that anyone will admit, but now latent anti-Semites have a way to come out of the closet, to give vent to their Jew-hatred - they can bash Israel.  You know, Israel, the country that the United Nations is doing all in its power to denigrate and blame for all the problems in the Middle East.  Israel, that is having to defend its borders and is blamed when others attack it.  Israel, that Hamas and Iran and its proxies vow to wipe off the face of the Earth (and the Palestinians produce maps that already indicate the success of that).  

I remember a South Park TV program (probably aired before your time) where everything that was bad was blamed on Canada. The song that was sung was called "Blame Canada".

It was funny, it was a joke, but what's serious is that today it's "Blame Israel" and that's no joke.   So what I'm saying is that maybe everyone should take out an old movie and watch it again, watch what Gregory Peck encounters when he pretends he's a Jew.  The movie is called Gentleman's Agreement.  I've always believed that although in many situations Art imitates Life, I'm seeing much too often that Life also imitates Art.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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8.1  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    8 years ago
Why is it increasing to the extent that it is in countries like Sweden, France, England, to the extent that many Jews are fleeing from them? 

As you said, growing antisemitism which has steadily grown in Europe over the years.

I am sure you are aware, some in Europe have made arrangements to move to to Israel because of this.

Many may be surprised at the treatment of Israel in the international community, even though it is decades old news. These are life or death matters for Israel, but that side of the story rarely makes the news.

I have to point the finger at the media to a significant degree here. By not hearing the other side of the coin, that also, emboldens actors like this murderer and the people in the photo shown above.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.2  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    8 years ago
Not only did the comments mostly refer to Trump, or were simply members from both sides of a political stance shooting at each other over the issue, politicizing it, but mostly refraining from getting to the point, which is antisemitism. 

We're putting blame for the larger problem where it'[s due - on the one person most responsible for pandering to racists and fomenting fear and violence against refugees.

Buzz, are you even remotely aware of why Bowers attacked this synagogue?    These are his words from yesterday morning just before his murderous rampage:

“HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people..I’m going in”

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Buzz, maybe you should learn what HIAS is, learn why Bowers murdered people he thought supported it, and learn who exactly fostered his idiotic fear of a few thousand refugees?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @8.2    8 years ago
"Buzz, are you even remotely aware of why Bowers attacked this synagogue?    These are his words from yesterday morning just before his murderous rampage:

“HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people..I’m going in”.

Buzz, maybe you should learn what HIAS is, learn why Bowers murdered people he thought supported it, and learn who exactly fostered his idiotic fear of a few thousand refugees?"

Yes, Skrekk, I'm remotely aare of why Bowers attacked this synagogue. Are YOU?  I know what HIAS is.  It's a JEWISH organization that helps refugees settle in America.  Bowers is saying that the 7000 caravan are the invaders, and they are going to be helped by the Jews.  My understanding is that Trump is doing whatever he can to PREVENT their coming to America, and in fact blocking as much immigration as he can. So what that hell does Trump have to do with that statement, or with encouraging immigration at all?  In Bowers mind, it is the Jews who are doing what he is quoted for saying, along with antisemitic statements when he entered the Synagogue. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.2.2  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.1    8 years ago
So what that hell does Trump have to do with that statement, or with encouraging immigration at all?

Ummm.....it's about the fact that Trump has been fear mongering and irrationally demonizing these refugees as being a threat to America, despite the fact that they're obviously not any kind of threat whatsoever.   So it's no wonder that a violent right winger would target groups which support refugees - as he plainly stated.

On a side note someone else mentioned that you've been engaging in the same kind of false and irrational antisemitic rhetoric in your previous conspiracy theory comments about George Soros.    I'm not sure you're even dimly aware that you've been peddling the sort of antisemitic crap which fuels this kind of violence (ie the pipe bombs sent to Soros and others).

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.2    8 years ago
"...despite the fact that they're obviously not any kind of threat whatsoever."

Have there not been reports that ISIS fighters have been arrested from among the 7000 refugee caravan?  And for every one they detect, how many do they miss?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.2.4  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.3    8 years ago
Have there not been reports that ISIS fighters have been arrested from among the 7000 refugee caravan?

LOL, No.     You must be listening to wingnut news or some other loony conspiracy site.    These refugees are all from Honduras and Guatemala.

Are there "unknown Middle Easterners" "mixed" into the migrant caravan?
Trump tweeted "criminals and unknown Middle Easterners are mixed" into the migrant caravan moving toward the United States. He called this a "national emergy" (sic).

It's unclear what "unknown Middle Easterners" Trump appears to be referring to in his tweet, since there have been no reports, in the press or publicly from intelligence agencies, to suggest there are "Middle Easterners" embedded in the caravan.

A senior counterterrorism official told CNN's Jessica Schneider that "while we acknowledge there are vulnerabilities at both our northern and southern border, we do not see any evidence that ISIS or other Sunni terrorist groups are trying to infiltrate the southern US border."
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Monday afternoon that the administration "absolutely" has evidence of Middle Easterners in the caravan, "and we know this is a continuing problem."

However, she did not provide the specific evidence supporting that claim.
During a White House conference call with surrogates regarding the caravan, a Homeland Security official said the administration is looking into a claim from Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales that his country has been able to capture around 100 terrorists. However, the official did not offer any evidence of the Middle Eastern people who Trump claims are hiding among migrants in the caravan.

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Seriously Buzz, you xenophobic right wingers believe the nuttiest stuff and are so incredibly easily manipulated by fear mongers like Trump.    No wonder so many right wingers go on killing rampages.......in fact terrorism from the domestic right wing is the # 1 terrorist threat in the US and excluding 9/11 it's been that way for several decades at least (and even 9/11 was committed by right wing extremists).     And the fact that you're Jewish yet have bought into various antisemitic tropes (ie about Soros) is just sad and pathetic.    You need to learn to think critically rather than in a reactionary manner.

Let's put it this way.....even if there were these imaginary "ISIS fighters" in this group what exactly do you think will happen to them once they're in US custody and having their refugee claims vetted?    Are you afraid of dust bunnies too?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.4    8 years ago
A senior counterterrorism official told CNN's Jessica Schneider that "while we acknowledge there are vulnerabilities at both our northern and southern border, we do not see any evidence that ISIS or other Sunni terrorist groups are trying to infiltrate the southern US border."
(bolding added my me)

Since Trudeau is welcoming ISIS fighters to Canada, perhaps it IS time to build a wall.  Fences are too vulnerable, as illustrated by the Israel/Gaza one.

Even if there are only 60, (I will quote Canadian PM McKenzie King upon being asked how many refugee Jews would he allow to immigrate at the end of WW2) "None is too many."  Efforts to de-radicalize are not necessarily successful.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.2.6  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.5    8 years ago
Even if there are only 60, (I will quote Canadian PM McKenzie King upon being asked how many refugee Jews would he allow to immigrate at the end of WW2) "None is too many."  Efforts to de-radicalize are not necessarily successful.

A) If you had bothered to read and comprehend you citation it was not about ISIS immigrants to Canada but about Canadians and Canadian residents who had traveled overseas to fight for groups like ISIS and then returned at a later date, and it was a truly trivial percentage.

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Skrekk
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8.2.7  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.5    8 years ago

Looks like part of my comment got deleted so I'll try to rephrase:

[Deleted Skrekk, Buzz is not the subject here. You are free to correct any statement he makes, but you are not free to make comments about him.] 

But even worse than what Canada and the US did when they rejected Jewish refugees during the Holocaust because they were Jewish, you and Trump are using "ISIS" to demonize Central American refugees who literally have nothing whatsoever to do with ISIS.    It's nothing less than a lie and a smear and a rather pathetic one at that.     

I know why Trump is doing it but I'm not sure why you're doing it unless you hate refugees in general or hate Catholics or something.    Otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense to smear these particular refugees in the way that you're doing.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.7    8 years ago

IMPASSE

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.2.9  Skrekk  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.7    8 years ago

[Removed]

[Once again please discuss] the [seeded topic,] not [members of] the [forum]

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.2.10  Dulay  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.5    8 years ago
Since Trudeau is welcoming ISIS fighters to Canada, perhaps it IS time to build a wall.

From YOUR link Buzz, which is a FACT CHECK BTW:

“The Liberals are putting the safety of all Canadians at risk by allowing (Islamic State) fighters to return to Canada and proposing a ‘reintegration program’ and support services for them,” Conservative deputy leader Lisa Raitt wrote in a fundraising letter last week. Raitt’s statement is deemed to have “a lot of baloney.”

In short, your own link rates your statement as BS. 

Fences are too vulnerable, as illustrated by the Israel/Gaza one.

There aren't even fences along most of the US/CA border Buzz. There have been estimates that the border wall will cost up to 16 MILLION per mile. The US/Mexico border still needs about 1,300 miles @ about 21 BILLION. The US/Canadian border is about 4,000 miles. You do the math...

(I will quote Canadian PM McKenzie King upon being asked how many refugee Jews would he allow to immigrate at the end of WW2) "None is too many."

Those are the SAME Jewish refugees from the St. Louis that the US refused to accept and it was before the war started in 1939. 

Instead of fearmongering, why not talk about this:

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @8.2.10    8 years ago

I do intend to be more careful about the sources I use from now on, and thank you for being civil about it - there are a few on NT who are not.  I've been called a racist, by a few here who are probably married to the same race as they are, while I've been happily married to a Chinese woman for the past decade.  I've been called an Islamophobe even though I've posted articles praising Reformist Muslims like Dr. Jasser, Anaan Hirsi Ali and Majid Rafizadeh, and made it clear constantly that I am only critical of fundamentalist extremists of ALL religions, whether it be Islamists, Ultra-Orthodox Jews, or Christians like the Westboro Baptists.

Did you happen to see this article I posted about 4 hours before your comment?

I consider it revealing that none of the members who criticize me have bothered to comment on it .

As for the article you posted, in the north of Toronto, on Bayview Avenue, there is a Mosque right next to a Synagogue. When 9/11 happened, a whole lot of the young men from the Synagogue contacted each other, grabbed baseball bats, crowbars, (guns are rare in Canada) and whatever they could and raced to the Mosque, not to cause harm or vandalism, but to form a circle around the Mosque to prevent anyone from vandalizing or causing any harm the Mosque, and left only after the police arrived to take over the protection.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.2.12  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.11    8 years ago

Buzz, no one would have gotten on your case if you hadn't made completely unsupportable and uninformed comments about refugees, if you hadn't used bizarre and truly irrational Islamophobic smears when you did that, and if you hadn't then quoted a notorious anti-semite in your defense of your anti-refugee position.

Next time think before you type rather than using the modern version of blood libel to smear and demonize desperate refugees.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.12    8 years ago

[deleted, taunting] and [bullying]

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.2.14  Skrekk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.13    8 years ago
removed for context

Like as a destination vacation or something?    Do they have good snow?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.15  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.14    8 years ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.13    8 years ago

LOL. I should have just retained my original comment rather than trying to be more civil. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    8 years ago

As I said, "Blame Israel" , and here is part of a report from the United With Israel Website:

UK Politician Blames Israel for Pittsburgh Synagogue Massacre

Baroness Jenny Tonge, an independent peer in House of Lords, has suggested that the Israeli government bears some responsibility for Saturday’s  horrific terrorist attack on the Tree of Life Synagogue  in Pittsburgh, which left 11 dead and six wounded.

Tonge responded to the attack on Facebook, writing: “Absolutely appalling and a criminal act, but does it ever occur to Bibi [Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu] and the present Israeli government that it’s [sic] actions against Palestinians may be re-igniting antisemitism? I suppose someone will say that it is antisemitic to say so?”

And so it starts, and yes, I say it is antisemitic to say so.  And I'm willing to bet a lot of other people are thinking the same as the Baroness.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    8 years ago

Another waste of time and bandwidth for this NTer.  Scumbag is still out campaign trail (when any decent man much less the "president" would have at least waited a day or two) feeding the same ol' hate-filled lies to his deplorables.  The man has not a shred of decency or honesty in his foul, reeking body.  

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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10  Steve Ott    8 years ago

Trump, the Jews and anti-Semitism: A Dangerous Double Game

In the campaign ad that Trump released back  on November 5th, 2016, four villains are blamed for the problems the everyday American is facing - which Trump promised to fix as apart of his “make America great again” pitch for the presidency. Those villains were Hillary Clinton, George Soros (financier and philanthropist), Janet Yellen (then Fed Chair) and Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman Sachs CEO). Three out of the four are Jewish.

Please, tell me more about rump caring for anyone or anything other than himself.

 
 

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