Mattis Puts Trump’s Presidency in Peril

Trump puts Trump's presidency in peril.

Exactly. Trump and his room temperature IQ is the biggest threat the USA is currently facing.

It has never been more clear to me that our country is being attacked from within and that it is being led by the President of the United States in concert with our adversaries and with unfettered blessing from his supporters.  

In other words: This is not about policy. It’s about values — and, according to his letter, Mattis no longer believes the president shares his values.

Hopefully Mattis was not naive enough to think that Trump EVER shared Mattis' values,  but was rather trying to make the best of the election result.

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I heard on the radio today that Trump had a phone call with Erdogan where the Turkish president told trump they are going to attack the Kurds and warned Trump to stay out of it.

Don't know if that phone call was real or apocryphal, but the story shows how Trump is embarrassing and weakening our country. He can be presumed to be beholden to some of these dictators because of his business ties to them.

Mattis resigns, the country on the verge of a shutdown, the stock market dropping like a brick and trump? He sends out a tweet of himself singing "Green Acres".... 

What the FUCK!!!!!??? 

Trump is a disaster! 

And Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

Mattis is just one in a LONG line of people who are no longer with the trump admin, and that list is going to get a lot longer. 

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God bless our president

Sure, because God loves people that cheat on all three of their wives and pay off porn stars they banged while their wife was at home caring for their infant son. Wow, there is a God I want nothing to do with....completely amoral. 

Agai, I judge presidents on the actions as president, not their past before they were president 

not their past

While that sounds very noble. WTH ?

To not consider what a person has done or been in the past when even considering voting to give that person power over all of us seems pretty unrealistic to me.

I look at where some one is, where they have been and that kind gives me an idea of what I can probably exspect from that person in the future. To me that's just good common sense.  

Now If one chooses to ignore a persons past for any of a variety of reasonings , That's their choice. But, Not one I like to take though and very seldom do. 

Agai, I judge presidents on the actions as president, not their past before they were president 

But you thanked GOD, for president trump. Do you think GOD would support someone that is almost completely AMORAL? I doubt it. And where is it in the bible that puts a statute of limitations on blatant and obvious sins? 

Hell, I didn't even include the 8-10 lies trump tells daily. Tell me Larry, what does the bible say about constant lying? Unless the statute of limitations on lying is 5 minutes, trump is guilty of that as well...in GODS eyes. 

Agai, I judge presidents on the actions as president, not their past before they were president

So...you approve of a president lying every 5 seconds and threatening this nation's security by making impulsive decisions regarding matters about which he knows nothing, and making decisions that promote his own personal agenda, and appointing only like-minded people who take advantage of their new positions to further their own agendas, and using his own charity foundation for personal use, and good grief I could go on for another hour...  That's the kind of president that has earned your love and die hard support?  Well alrighty then!  

Conservatives could care less what a never Trumper like Rubin says

SOMEONE SHUT THIS FAT ASSHOLE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

There’s a serious problem when the president of the United States has to call a radio talkshow host to see if what he’s doing is OK.

"The strong implication here is that Mattis no longer believes the president thinks allies should be respected."

I like Mattis, but is the seed saying Mattis didn't know Trump never had much respect for our "Needy" allies in the first place,  before he accepted the position ?

Really ?

Trumps been saying "Allies need to get of their pots and Step up" since before he was even elected. 

Trumps been saying "Allies need to get of their pots and Step up" since before he was even elected. 

You're talking about Trump's transactional mentality. It has NOTHING to do with Mattis resigning in protest. 

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Is that what the "Reports" told you ?

What 'reports' are you referring to? 

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Exactly what you are doing

So …… you were just "Projecting" an opinion.

So...your were just 'projecting' an answer. 

The roots of everything concerning the Trump were cultivated in Helsinki.  Does America have a president that is a traitor?

Does America have a president that is a traitor?

Let's ask the 8 ball...

...shake...shake...shake...

"Signs Point to Yes"

Let's try again...

...shake...shake...shake...

"Without a Doubt"

...shake...shake...shake...

"You May Rely On It"

...shake...shake...shake...

"Yes - Definitely"

...shake...shake...shake...

"It is Certain"

...shake...shake...shake...

"It is Decidedly So"

...shake...shake...shake...

"Yes damn it, I've already told you Yes! He's a traitor!"

I still have my Magic 8 Ball from the 60's.

snorted mine in the 70's

I just don't see anything unusual here or a reason to panic. After Mattis leaves his position on February 28, 2019, he will have served as Secretary of Defense for 770 days.

Obama appointed three Secretaries of Defense after retaining Bush's SoD, Robert Gates. After Gates left, Leon Panetta served 606 days. Chuck Hagel served 720 days. Ash Carter served 702 days. All of them have written or otherwise expressed criticisms and disagreements with Obama foreign policy decisions. 

All of them have written or otherwise expressed criticisms and disagreements with Obama foreign policy decisions. 

Mattis didn't speak of 'policy', he spoke of core values and beliefs. 

People on the Left keep trying to present this letter as some kind of slam against Trump. I think these people already hate Trump and evaluate everything that happens with him through confirmation bias.

he spoke of core values and beliefs

Sure, but he didn't say Trump didn't share those values. In fact, he clearly said they do share certain values. For example,

Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world.

He does not indicate that he thinks no one could possibly share the president's values, whatever that means. His express reason for leaving his actually kind of vague, but isn't an assertion that they don't share core values, just that someone else out there shares more of them.

Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position

It's also clear that he is happy with the work he has done for the president.

I am proud of the progress that has been made over the past two years on some of the key goals articulated in our National Defense Strategy

" I think these people already hate Trump..."

Every decent human being in the entire world hates Trump.

Every decent human being in the entire world hates Trump.

priceless 

People on the Left keep trying to present this letter as some kind of slam against Trump.

Not just people on the left. Most thinking people that have read it view it that way. 

I think these people already hate Trump and evaluate everything that happens with him through confirmation bias.

Perhaps that comes from your own bias. 

Sure, but he didn't say Trump didn't share those values. In fact, he clearly said they do share certain values. For example, Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. 

Seriously Tacos! that's ONE sentence in a 7 paragraph letter. What come before and after that sentence makes it clear that they don't share values. 

He does not indicate that he thinks no one could possibly share the president's values, whatever that means.

You tell me, you brought up the straw man...

His express reason for leaving his actually kind of vague,

I totally disagree. I don't see how Mattis could be more clear. 

but isn't an assertion that they don't share core values,

YES IT DOES. 

just that someone else out there shares more of them.

It wasn't about sharing 'MORE' values, it's about their values NOT being aligned. READ CAREFULLY. 

Because you have the right to a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.

ALL of the subjects Mattis cited are and HAVE BEEN our core values on foreign policy for generations. 

It's also clear that he is happy with the work he has done for the president.

Which he would have done for ANY POTUS...

It's been reported over the last two years that Mattis spent quite a bit of time slow walking much of Trump's machinations. I'm pretty sure he's proud of that too...

Your patience is boundless.  Merry Christmas Dulay.

That's not what Perrie said the other day...

Merry Christmas back at ya.

ALL of the subjects Mattis cited are and HAVE BEEN our core values on foreign policy for generations.

You seem to be imagining that all Americans are in uniform agreement on all foreign policy matters. In fact, you repeatedly declare that anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't decent, intelligent, or properly American. Do you not see how impossible and intolerant that is? 

You seem to be imagining that all Americans are in uniform agreement on all foreign policy matters.

You ARE imagining content in my comments that does NOT exist. 

As a child of the 60's I NEVER imagine that ALL Americans are in uniform agreement about ANYTHING. I KNOW better. 

In fact, you repeatedly declare that anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't decent, intelligent, or properly American.

I DO? Post some examples of my comments to PROVE your accusation Tacos!. Since you insist that I do it repeatedly, you should be able to copy and paste a bunch pretty quick. 

Do you not see how impossible and intolerant that is? 

What I see is that you have chosen to AGAIN comment on ME PERSONALLY instead of addressing the TOPIC of the seed or content of my comment. 

You've made unsubstantiated accusations and portrayed them as fact.

Prove your accusations or admit they are false. 

Perrie gave me a vacation the other day and forgot to mention why. I can't even remember what I had for breakfast much less remember what I typed last night.

The vine was always good about letting one know why.

I've yet to have a vacation on either forum. I HAVE been known to push the envelope however and been chastised by the Queen.

I manage to squeeze under the limit. Though it is rare, I will be waiting with batted breath for the end of the month this time...

If you have questions about tickets or vacations, ask Perrie. You may not like her answers but she will answer. 

I DO? Post some examples of my comments to PROVE your accusation Tacos!.

Glad to. These are your comments in this seed. 

Most thinking people that have read it view it that way. 

In other words, if I don't see it your way, I'm not thinking.

If we share Mattis' values, as stated in his resignation letter, we have to acknowledge that Trump not only doesn't share those values but that he is working at odds with them.

ALL of the subjects Mattis cited are and HAVE BEEN our core values on foreign policy for generations. 

In other words, if you disagree at all, then you don't share core American values.

I will, however, make one retraction and apology. I did confuse this comment from lennylynx who has been agreeing with you here. I mistakenly attributed it to you because it slipped into the middle of our conversation and I missed the fact that it was someone else. It seemed consistent with your other comments, so I assumed it was you.

Every decent human being in the entire world hates Trump.

In other words, if you don't hate Trump, you're not a decent human being. I certainly hope you disagree with this Dulay, but I won't require that you answer for someone else's comment. I agree with some things Trump wants to do, but I am often critical of him. I shouldn't have to prove that or prove that I "hate" him (or anyone else) for people to think of me as a decent person. I like to think that I don't "hate" anyone.

In other words, if I don't see it your way, I'm not thinking.

NO, NOT IN OTHER WORDS Tacos!. 

My comments are in blue:

Most thinking people that have read it view it that way.

In other words, if I don't see it your way, I'm not thinking.

Note the predicate of the adverb 'MOST' in my comment Tacos!? If you choose to ignore that adverb, that's on YOU.  

If we share Mattis' values, as stated in his resignation letter, we have to acknowledge that Trump not only doesn't share those values but that he is working at odds with them. ALL of the subjects Mattis cited are and HAVE BEEN our core values on foreign policy for generations.

In other words, if you disagree at all, then you don't share core American values.

Utter bullshit. 

My comment was about TRUMP not sharing those values as expressed by Mattis' letter. 

IMHO, you're making it quite clear that you are incapable of reading my comments without internalizing them.

Perhaps if you attempted to address the TOPIC instead of the member your replies would be less personal. 

I will, however, make one retraction and apology. I did confuse this comment from lennylynx who has been sticking his nose in and agreeing with you here. I mistakenly attributed it to you because it slipped into the middle of our conversation and I missed the fact that it was someone else. It seemed consistent with your other comments, so I assumed it was you.

Every decent human being in the entire world hates Trump.

In other words, if you don't hate Trump, you're not a decent human being.

I certainly hope you disagree with this Dulay, but I won't require that you answer for someone else's comment.

Yet you attribute it to me anyway. Wow!

BTFW, lenny is a member here and has just as much right to comment as you or I on ANY thread. Calling him out and characterizing his participation as 'sticking his nose in' is BAD FORM!

I agree with some things Trump wants to do, but I am often critical of him. I shouldn't have to prove that or prove that I "hate" him (or anyone else) for people to think of me as a decent person. I like to think that I don't "hate" anyone.

WTF does that have to do with YOU supporting your accusation against me? The answer is NOTHING. 

You posted 2 comments to support your accusation and had to twist them into pretzels to fit into your agenda.

Either post examples that PROVE your accusation against me or admit that your accusation was FALSE.

Note the predicate of the adverb 'MOST' in my comment Tacos!? If you choose to ignore that adverb, that's on YOU.  

I interpreted it in the way I interpreted it. If you don't like how people interpret your comments, you are free to modify the way you present your ideas.

Yet you attribute it to me anyway. Wow!

I did say it was an accident and I apologized for it. Since you can't accept that gracefully, I guess that will be the last time I'll be doing that.

BTFW, lenny is a member here and has just as much right to comment as you or I on ANY thread.

I never said he didn't have that right. Now who is inventing things? Will you be issuing a correction and apology like I did?

You posted 2 comments to support your accusation and had to twist them into pretzels to fit into your agenda.

No, I simply explained how I saw them. That's my opinion. It's not a science experiment. You don't have to agree with it.

PROVE . . . FALSE

You speak of proof and falseness as if your opinions were facts supported by data. You did not define "thinking people" or supply data supporting how "most" of them think. The same goes for your opinions about core values. So it's all just whatever you feel. And that's fine. You can feel your way and I'll feel mine.

cj,

We always send out an email when we suspend a member. It is to the email address you signed up with. If you ever want an accounting, I will be more than glad to let you know. We always strive for transparency. 

I interpreted it in the way I interpreted it. If you don't like how people interpret your comments, you are free to modify the way you present your ideas.

I count on members to 'adult' and understand basic grammar. I won't be 'dumbing' down my comments so those who don't know the function of an adverb will understand them. 

I did say it was an accident and I apologized for it. Since you can't accept that gracefully, I guess that will be the last time I'll be doing that.

That was B4 you insisted that it was 'consistent' with MY comments and chose to post it as an example. Now you think I should accept it 'gracefully'? Again, WOW!

I never said he didn't have that right. Now who is inventing things?

I never said you did. Internalizing again...

Will you be issuing a correction and apology like I did?

I NEVER make equivocal apologies. 

No, I simply explained how I saw them. That's my opinion. It's not a science experiment. You don't have to agree with it.

You posted them under THIS predicate:

I DO? Post some examples of my comments to PROVE your accusation Tacos!.

Glad to. These are your comments in this seed.

Let's be clear, your accusation was:

In fact, you repeatedly declare that anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't decent, intelligent, or properly American.

You clearly stated that your accusation is a FACT. You clearly stated that you'd be 'glad to' post examples to support your accusations. 

I'm waiting.  

You speak of proof and falseness as if your opinions were facts supported by data. You did not define "thinking people" or supply data supporting how "most" of them think. The same goes for your opinions about core values. So it's all just whatever you feel. And that's fine. You can feel your way and I'll feel mine.

You're DEFLECTING Tacos!. 

You didn't address the veracity of my comments, DID YOU? 

Instead you CHOSE to make accusations against me. 

Either post examples that PROVE your accusation against me or admit that your accusation was FALSE.

Tacos!, I have tried to have a civil discussion with you and instead you make it personal by misrepresenting the meaning of my posts and by putting words in my mouth that you KNOW I never said.

I'm done asking you to take responsibility for your false accusations and since you refuse to engage in a civil discussion, I will move on.

I have not received an email on the past 3-4 occasions even though I have not changed the email address (and I do check my spam filter)

All of them have written or otherwise expressed criticisms and disagreements with Obama foreign policy decisions.

yepp.

what interests me is...

while under president bush:  "we should not be policing the world.

now:  "omg why won't trump police the world.

the left have become warmongers... lol

the left has become war mongers

Truly. I haven't heard an argument for our troops remaining in Syria that doesn't lead to us being there forever.

  we never had a good reason to go in the first place.

obama funding the "freedom fighters" is what funded the creation of isis.. from one hand to another

now... things have changed

obama funding the "freedom fighters" is what funded the creation of isis..  from one hand to another

Huh? ISIS formed 2004....2005 or so? Pretty sure ISIS was around before Obama took office. But lets check anyway...

Current ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (as the self-styled Caliph of the Islamic State, he is now known as Amir al-Mu’minin Caliph Ibrahim) was an early follower of Abu Musab al Zarkawi, a Bin Laden loyalist. In 2003, al Zarkawi’s “Group for Monotheism and Holy War “(JTJ) bombed the UN Headquarters in Baghdad, killing 34 people. In 2006, after al Zarkawi was killed, the group became the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) under the control of Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri, an Egyptian. The American “surge” in Iraq pushed ISI across the border to Syria in 2006/7.

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oops.... LOL

oops nothing... isis was a bunch of nobodys until we funded the freedom fighters in syria

btw.... let's roll tape/