How Pelosi delivered Trump the most humiliating loss of his presidency.
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Speaker Pelosi proved a powerful foil to Trump, politically humiliating him in a way no other public figure has. Today, Trump buckled , agreeing to reopen the government in exchange for absolutely nothing, just days after he agreed to Pelosi’s demand to postpone the State of the Union.
Pelosi’s success turned on a few key factors. The first is the legislative and coalitional skill that even her skeptics always admitted she possessed. Pelosi held her caucus together easily and calmly, creating a united front that offered Trump few avenues of egress. When the president tried to invite moderate Democrats to negotiate without Pelosi present, they simply stood him up . With her caucus firm, she was able to pick a position and hold to it.
Second, Pelosi correctly read Trump’s personality and had the steel to act on that read. For years now, members of Congress have divided on whether Trump is strong or weak, whether his political success shows an intuitive tactical genius that needs to be respected or a hollow showman who connects to conservatives but is easily flummoxed.
Pelosi has long held that Trump is weak, easily confused, and easily baited. That informed her strategy. Along with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, she baited Trump into saying, while the cameras were rolling, “I will shut down the government. I am proud to shut down the government. I will take the mantle.” In interviews and meetings, she tweaked the president, calling the crisis “the Trump shutdown” to Trump’s face and suggesting the billionaire thought furloughed workers “could just ask their father for more money.”
She was betting that Trump would overreact rather than turn her into the aggressor, and he did.
Related: Coulter Blasts Trump Over Shutdown Deal: 'Biggest Wimp Ever To Serve As President'
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Pelosi has long held that Trump is weak, easily confused, and easily baited. That informed her strategy. Along with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, she baited Trump into saying, while the cameras were rolling, “I will shut down the government. I am proud to shut down the government. I will take the mantle.”
Pelosi also drew a hard line on the wall, and then made an even higher-risk gamble in postponing the State of the Union, betting all the while that Trump would blink. Again, she was right.
Now, just days after agreeing to postpone the State of the Union at Pelosi’s insistence, Trump has agreed to reopen the government without any funding for his wall.
I am no fan of Pelosi, I thought someone younger should have taken up the gavel, but damn, she owned his bitch ass HARD lol. Straight fucking knockout.
I guess there is something to be said of experience.
I am no fan of Pelosi, I thought someone younger should have taken up the gavel, but damn, she owned his bitch ass HARD lol. Straight fucking knockout.
I guess there is something to be said of experience.
Well, some people never learn from experience. But some do.
Often younger activists has a degree of enthusiasm and idealism that is refreshing. But they lack the wisdom that comes from years of experience. And that can be a key factor in acheiiving results.
(For example, Someone like ocasio Cortez, for example, has a great deal of idealism and enthusiam-- but I don't think that she'd be a very effective leader. (Maybe someday in the future-- but she has a lot to learn-- wisdom that can only come with years of experience).
I agree. I appreciate what she brings to the table, but that is not what I am looking for when it comes to effective governance. People like her can bring ideas and energy, but they have to learn patience when it comes to implementing those ideas. People don't change quickly, and trying to force them only pisses them off and turns them against you. She needs to stop fighting with her party's leadership if she wants to see any part of her agenda happen.
I've never cared much for Pelosi, but she did an amazing job! She got the balls that McConnell had cut off.
I am a fan. She is speaker for many good reasons. I like her.
That's funny and so ironic.
So, when you often just post "No" in replies that's an all encompassing answer we should understand?
And your snarky "Did you get that from CNN?" comment when everyone else knew it was factual history shows us to be uninformed?
FAIL
Videos of her looking like a total idiot would be my guess.
Wow it was that easy.
Tessylo...
Follow the link KD gave.
This is hilarious! Scroll though the whole page to see what ignorance and follow through have in common.
Should have actually looked at the sites and pages that came up! Talk about a troll move that blows up in someone's face!
HAHAHAHA!
Nobody is claiming she is perfect, but I would not call those videos of her a smocking gun. I'm sure she was in the middle of a convefe with Trump's wife Melanie about the Bowling Green Massacre . After all, we must start preparing for the next hurricane season which looks to be even more tremendously wet , than the last one.
However you have no further to look from his newest councel member Mr. Scott Free , to wonder about some of his tweets. But Trump has yet to clarify what Scott's roll is in all this. But his actions in this is entirely unpresidented . However I am sure that Mr. Free is honered to be working under Trump.
Just remember what Trump said when he was sworn in, “No dream is too big, no challenge is to great,”
This is too damn funny. The great negotiator got schooled...
Now Ann Coulter calls him the biggest presidential wimp ever....This is just too damn good.
It is hilarious.
That's why Congress made sure he signed the bill before he left the room. They knew that he'd change his mind again once Coulter reamed him out.
I just had a mental picture of Ann "reaming" Trump out. It wasn't pretty.
Especially since she didn't have to strap anything on...
On not convinced that hers is the strapped-on variety.
Obvious TMI.
My point exactly.
Not to be sexist but it was nice to see a woman bitchslap trump into submission in full view of the American public not once but twice!
Oh hell lady, you can be as sexist as you want. Nancy schooled that dumb ass and Coulter bitch slapped him.
I will support your sexism 110%...
This is a little sexist too but I couldn't resist...
Nancy is one bad ass "girl".
Also known as the Scut-Farkus-got-his-ass-kicked-by-Ralphie face.
The best punch ever thrown.
The thing that most surprised me about Trump once he started being in the news every day, after he became a politician, is how stupid he is.
He has to be a crook. Nobody that dumb could get rich legitimately.
Pelosi and Schumer have 15 days to come up with ….."Something Viable" that he....the "President of these united States"....can sign !
What will they do ?
Trump just put the Pressure back on Congress...… AGAIN !
Remind me who actually schooled whom again ?
You left out the GOP in that mix. Now that the Emperor's nakedness has been revealed to all, I believe the GOP will work with the Dems to resolve this. I think they have had enough of the lunacy and are about to abandon the clown car.
The GOP hasn't said …… NO !
Who was it that said ….. NO …… again ?
Trump, several times. As well as making deals about the wall and DACA and then pulling out demanding more.
History has a way of making some look like a fool.
Pelosi and Schumer....ALL THE TIME !
Pelosi is willing to contribute a buck towards AMERICA's security though. What a Gal !
You really can't be that stupid .... can you?
The GOP was in charge of the entire government when they shut it down. McConnell is a toadie who doesn't seem to remember that Congress is equal to the President; they are not his employees. Pelosi and McConnell are the ones who have to come up with something viable ... hopefully something that is veto-proof that our idiot President can't fuck up.
You really can't be that stupid .... can you?
You actually think "Trump" doesn't have an agenda on what he's been doing ?
If Pelosi and Chuck don't come up with something Trump will sign in 15 days ….. even after EVERYTHING he has said he will accept..... whose going to get blamed then ?
I KNOW Trump doesn't have an agenda on what he's doing. He blusters and flounders and has no actual positions on much of anything. It's obvious to anyone with the slightest modicum of intelligence.
As to who will get blamed ... you crack me up. Your entire arguments during the shutdown have been proven to be completely idiotic, so now you're trying to move the goalposts. Please take a civics class before you further embarrass yourself.
Oh that wouldn't stop him from trying!
Fuck no he doesn't have an agenda. He just flails aimlessly from one self-inflicted crisis to another, with no real plan or even coherent objective.
You mean Pelosi and McConnell, and they should come up with something that will pass both chambers (like the original spending bill) and dare dip shit to veto it. The legislative branch is not subordinate to the executive, i wish they would start acting like it.
You mean caving.
If both houses agree and Trump is the only outlier, then him, again. He isn't getting his fucking wall, end of story.
By intelligent people who understand how our government is supposed to work, or by Trump worshippers?
Perfectly stated.
..... whose going to get blamed
I will be blaming you and all who think like you and Trump.
You can't be that naive. A divided US Congress that neither side has clear VETO proof majority in, is going to come up with a VETO proof budget? ROFLOL What planet has the left been living on? Congress might not even come up with a budget that both the House and Senate can agree on. Pelosi isn't going to come up with anything that will appease her radical members; if she does she will lose every last Republican vote- and it will never pass a Republican held Senate.
All Pelosi and Schumer have accomplished is shut down part two coming in 15 days. Unless Trump folds again. If so he will have no base left. As it is the Republicans better scramble to find someone qualified to primary him; and head off the shit show the Dems are putting together in the national elections.
The planet that can show that the Dem proposal had Republicans crossing over and voting for it over the Trump one.
You make me SAD...……
Decades of Fuck-ups BEFORE Trump was even a glimmer, had nothing to do with where we are at now.
I wasn't actually serious. Well, I was serious about how it's something to hope for, but not about actually expecting it to happen. They're all too busy worrying about getting reelected to give a crap about the people they work for. When they're actually working, that is. They haven't passed a budget on time in how many years ... seems like every year we go into a CR if we're not having a shutdown.
So you've been giving Big Gov. a pass and excuses for Fuck-ups your entire life.....Until Trump ?
NOW YOUR …… "CONCERNED" ?
Is that what they are calling …… "INTELLIGENT" now ?
Golly, Gosh, Gee-whiz buckaroo' ! Trump has specified ONE particular thing since before he was elected......the WALL !
The DS hate it !
Hmmmm, missed a part of what he said?
"And it will cost the tax payers nothing...not one thin dime because Mexico will pay for the wall. I promise you"
When Mexico said fuck you, I knew he was going to try and reach in to our pockets.
Even the Republicans didn't give him the money and he shut down the government while they were still in power....even said he'd take responsibility.
But in true right wing form he lied and tried to blame the Democrats.
How'd that work out for ya? 800,000 people out of work, 6 billion hit to the economy, on top of having to give back pay for 5 weeks of non-production to 800,000 ...for giggles let's say @ $1000 per week X 5 weeks X 800,000 = $4 BILLION.
Golly gee wiz Suzie...that's a lot of wasre for him banging his spoon at his high chair!
Any other brilliance you want to bestow on us?
Let Trump shut down the government again and watch what happens. The GOP can read polls and those who are facing reelection in 2020 will need to reconsider how loyal they want to be to Trump when his approval rating is approaching 30% and Mueller has the information on his political and fiscal dirty deeds.
Not much to those that actually don't think Government is worthy of a "Kiss-my-ring" like the Lifer Politicians think we should do !
Only the Kiddies think Government is …… "Worthy" !
Where do you get this idea that we should genuflect to the government?
The job of the government is to protect and serve the best interests of the American people as a way to create a stable society.
How Pelosi delivered Trump the most humiliating loss of his presidency
With a stiletto heel to the heart, ouch!
She did lay a ghetto whuppin on Him indeed.
Actually Trump proved he was the only adult in the room. Chuck and Nancy can be as petulant as they want and play games with the country's sovereignty. All they got was a three week extension. Now we'll see how a big a liar Pelosi is when she still refuses any real border security after getting what she asked for.
All he got was a serious ass whooping in public....TWICE.
They didn't need the extension, he did. This whole debacle was initiated by Trump and it backfired "BIGLY" on his dumb ass and those that cheered him on.
Hell! One of his biggest liberal hating cheerleaders here is running around locking his bullshit seeds and hiding from his bullshit comments.
Now Trump is still stuck in his corner of his own making. If he even dares to try and shut the government down again the Democrats won't have to start impeachment proceedings, the Republicans will start it for them. If he tries the Emergency Powers act he'll be stopped even faster.
Have fun with your fantasies, the last ones you were so adament about didn't come true.
Yeah, having to temporarily give in to Pelosi and her childish antics is a real "ass whooping". I guess after the embarrassing retractions about Cohen and the Covington debacle I guess you have to get your "victories" where you can. Just as long as you know in two weeks we'll be back to square one or Trump will be declaring a national emergency.
That's funny! You really think the Covington thing was some liberal move?
And what Cohen retraction? Cohen is burying Trump just in records alone.
I understand you're embarrassed about all your comments going up in flames but you really shouldn't make it worse. You probably should have disappeared as what usually happens when you fail.
The only thing Cohen is burying is his credibility with all the fake news. Every time the left gets its hopes up and says "this is the smoking gun" they get crushed. This last time it was by Mueller himself. And it's convenient that you pretend that every liberal wasn't so sure they knew everything about Covington and didn't feel totally comfortable threatening violence against minors. And don't worry. I'll be here when Trump is still president a year from now and a year after that.
Keep telling yourself that. Every time Trump says "I didn't do that" they've looked at Cohen's records he kept and Trump has had to back down.
Awww, the "Fake News" repeat? Nothing original?
How about the "fake news" of I had nothing to do with paying those women" only to find there was a recording of his meeting in Pecker's office with him actually directing how this is going to happen?
There is soooo much more. You got D in H.
A lie.
Every time a story comes out about Cohen claiming something about the Trump Tower meeting it blows up in the left wing media's face. But if all you've got is Trump tried to cover up an affair then there's nothing for him to worry about. Just ask Bill Clinton.
Got any instances of this?
Or do you mean the Trump Tower meeting that never happened? Okay, it happened but it was about adoptions. I didn't write the response...Okay I wrote the response. Okay, it was about dirt offered but nothing came of it so it wasn't illegal. We didn't know it was attached to the Russian government...well okay it was attached to the government but no collusion...
You mean that Trump Tower meeting that blew up in the left wing media?
Cohen's records have busted Trump so many times I've lost count.
So, what have you got? Or will you disappear again?
Well here's this pretty big instance:
Maybe you should disappear to catch up on the news since you seem to be missing out on some major events.
I didn't miss that when it first came out.
Do you understand the difference between "inaccurate" and "not true" ?
Obviously not as most of the rabid right tried to latch on to that.
Buzzfeed's article stated Cohen had bags of cash. The reality was he had checks. That's just one of the inaccurate points.
He never said "didn't happen" now did he?
Let me know when comprehension catches up to reality. And let me know when you start returning to your comments that got debunked by facts you seem to disappear often.
What was Nancy asking for? All she asked for was to fund the government, she passed a clean funding bill as did the Republican congress and Senate before the Democrats regained the majority in the house.
So the fact is, Trump is the one asking to insert an expensive boondoggle wall that the experts have said is ineffective and too expensive for what you get, a mere 4 hr delay, which will cost far more than the $5 billion to build and will likely take upwards of $2 billion a year to maintain and repair. That's what Trump and his sycophant supporters are demanding and held the American people and 800,000 federal workers hostage for. Nancy told them "No.", she wasn't asking for anything, she was telling them how things work which apparently these knuckleheads have forgotten (or in the case of Trump never knew, he's denser than a bag of bricks).
The wall funding is NOT part of the normal government funding bill, it was inserted by the administration as a vanity pork project exclusively desired by the 37% of Trumps base who he realizes he needs if he wants any chance in 2020 so he's being advised to fight to get a campaign promise done the majority of Americans have never wanted and never will.
If you were on a local city council and had to vote for the basic upkeep of your towns public spaces, which was a common part of the local government process. You've voted dozens of times in the past 30 years, appropriating money for the cleaning of the city park, emptying public garbage cans and the very basic cleanup needs of the community. Then one year, the new flashy Mayor decides to add a $5 billion dollar statue to himself in the town square along with $2 billion a year for upkeep. A majority of the towns folk are strongly against it but the Mayor says it will improve the city because people will come from miles around to see it like a tourist attraction, he says the benefits outweigh the cost. But all the study's done show just the opposite, that it wouldn't actually fix the problem the town has with declining tourism and would spend far more than it could ever possibly recover in tax revenue.
Despite all this, the mayor refuses to sign the funding bill until he gets his statue. He has 37% of the townsfolk who support him and think maybe it will boost the economy, but the vast majority are against it. For over a month, the garbage cans overflow with trash, the parks become unusable and the streets become filled with blowing trash further declining anyone desire to visit making the financial problems even worse.
That's when the Mayor comes out and says "See, you people should have just let me build my statue and this wouldn't have happened? It's all your fault!"...
How many do you think believe him? That's right, only the 37% who apparently have their heads stuck so far up the mayors ass that they can't see or smell any trash in the street.
The media reported that Cohen said Trump knew about the meeting beforehand and that he ordered Cohen to lie to Congress. Both were false. Whether the media was inaccurate or not it is their job to be responsible and actually confirm stories. Their hatred for Trump has caused them to lose all journalistic integrity and credibility. Let me know when you actually debunk anything I've posted with actual facts and not just deflect on to some other tangent.
Border security is the job of the federal govt and a wall is not a vanity project. Democrats don't want any border security because they know the middle part of the country rejects their socialism and radical far left politics. The only way the Dems can win is to flood the country with illegals who will support them in exchange for amnesty. Pelosi refused any compromise and proved to anybody who believed in sovereignty that she has no interest in a secure border.
It is a vanity project and is only important to Trump because his incumbency relies upon it. The majority of Americans don't want it, the experts say it's too expensive to build (will cost far more than $5 billion) and too expensive to run (an additional $2 billion a year on top of build costs) for the measly 4 hr delay it causes potential border crossings. At the moment it takes border patrol between half a day and two days to respond to notifications of border crossings. Which means we'll have spent tens of billions on a wall that effectively does NOTHING but keep a promise to Trumps xenophobic base who see the wall as protecting some fantasy white culture. It is a boondoggle white nationalist vanity project, nothing more. Those who claim it's something more are either misinformed, uneducated, stupid, ignorant or xenophobic, or a combination of any two or more of those traits.
And yet you provide nothing to back up your claim of both being false and you consider it being debunked.
Priceless.
Show your links. You've debunked nothing.
The left considers any border security to be xenophobic and racist because they don't have the guts to come right out and say they are for open borders. So instead of just being upfront they resort to childish race card nonsense. These are the sane people who wanted to defund ICE, don't want police to alert Feds when they have violent and dangerous illegals and use tax dollars to support sanctuary cities and states to help illegals break the law. You can't be in favor of any of that and still say you're for border security.
Well, here's the first Cohen lie:
And here's the second one that I already provided a link to earlier:
Honestly, if you just kept up with basic news I wouldn't have to keep finding links for you.
That's some weak shit you got there.
And really pales in comparison to "I never paid those women, I don't even know them" to "Okay Cohen acted alone" to "Okay we reimbursed him but it wasn't illegal" to an actual recording of Trump in a meeting with Cohen and Pecker directing how it should be handled.
"Noone from my campaign has had contact with the Russians" We know how that turned out, don't we?
"There was no meeting at Trump Tower, okay there was a meeting about adoptions, okay they met with that woman but she wasn't connected to the Kremlin. Okay she was part of the Kremlin but no exchange took place so no crime"
Get a grip!
At worst that all sounds like Clintonesque behavior. If paying off a woman to be quiet about an affair or using influence to squash a story or having foreign contacts is an impeachable offense then all of Washington DC belongs in jail.
Nice try at a Clinton derail...which means you have nothing.
Rmando? Rmando?
Where did you disaapear to?
Lol
Representatives from the border districts do not support the president's created immigration problem. You might take the hint.
I don't know who Will Hurd is but it sounds like he doesn't have a clue what Trump is even asking for. Unfortunately there are several Republicans who will shill for the 1% as much as any California Democrat when it comes to a supply of cheap labor. Paul Ryan was another sell out which is why this wasn't pushed earlier.
Ask and you shall receive,
That is the most amusing thing I have heard in quite sometime. I would imagine that Mr. Trump has never been the adult in any room.
i find him to be the Dolt in Every room
the writer has declared the battle over. when in reality not so much.
trump has shown the whole country and the world that democrats put illegals over the security of our citizens.
and in the end the wall will be built.
democrats now have less than 3 weeks left to decide if that want something for it or not.
Hahaha! Keep dreaming. All Trump showed was he thought he had everyone by the balls until he got his kicked like a field goal. The public turned on him, his own party turned on him...they crossed over and voted for the Dem proposal which really stung.
In the end he's going to be lucky to still be president let alone pass any legislation. Then maybe...just maybe, Nancy Pelosi will hand them to Melania because she's going to own them too.
I'll bet she went to Maro Lago by order because she wouldn't stop laughing in his face at the whitehouse.
Democrats tend to like folk.
Republicans don't.
Hi Krish, hope you're well.
First. Pelosi played Trump like a fish. Second, I've always said Trump was a petulant, spoiled little rich boy who has never had a spanking in his life...till now.
Third. Harking back to our last days on the Vine: Silent Sam is gone and isn't coming back. Greenboro changed the name of Lee st. to Gate City Blvd. Aycock auditorium is going to be renamed. The South IS changing, slowly, but I'm so glad to see it happening.
and finally, I don't know if you remember the rukus over removing the Confederate flag from the Sutherlin mansion grounds and how an out of state group, (from N.C. and Maryland) came to Va. and started rabble rousing that resulted, ultimately in 14, 30 ft flag poles, all on private property around the town being built for Confederate flags. I took a little ride around the other day and looked at several of them. Most of them are just flag poles but 3 also have cannons. I noticed a funny thing, by tradition, here in the South, cannons are always pointed North. But...every one of these 3 were pointed towards Danville. Wonder what message they're trying to send.