The Talk Is Done — Time To Build The Border Wall
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Border Wall: After President Donald Trump said Thursday he'll sign the budget deal, he ended the possibility of a second government shutdown. Now, for part two of this saga: the declaration of an emergency to build the border wall Trump promised to Americans.
We urged him to take that step before the deal had been struck. We did so because the deal actually includes Democrats agreeing to spend money on a wall, a key concession that weakens all their previous arguments against the wall.
But more importantly, the new agreement, though it contains just $1.4 billion for the wall — way below the $5.7 billion Trump requested and the $18 billion he initially asked for — gives the president a start in building the wall. With a declaration of an emergency , he can do even more.
Indeed, Trump has already scraped up $8 billion in funds for the border wall. Trump's Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said Friday Trump has already lined up emergency funds totaling $600 million from the Treasury, $2.5 billion in drug-interdiction funds from the Defense Department, and $3.5 billion from military construction funds.
With the $1.4 billion already in the budget, that's a grand total just under $8 billion. It's a good start.
Yes, It's An Emergency
As for declaring a national emergency, facing wave after wave of illegal immigrant "caravans" egged on by Democrats and open-borders advocates — and the possibility of drug dealers, terrorists and criminals crossing into our country unhindered — make a declaration of a national emergency imperative. As we've said for years, a nation that doesn't control its borders ceases to exist. Period.
Then there's the idea that this represents some kind of "abuse" of the government's power to issue emergency declarations. Please. Since 1976, there have been 60 presidential emergency declarations, and 31 of them are still in force. President Obama alone signed 12. Most of them have been for foreign emergencies, far from the U.S. Given this, the idea that protecting our own border from a surge of illegal incursions doesn't rise to the level of "national emergency" is absurd.
Border Wall: Build It
We keep hearing the Democrats will challenge it in court . Well, let them. It's pretty clear that Trump has the authority to do what he's doing. And, if the Dems pursue a policy of foot-dragging and legal harassment, the Democrats will once again show their lack of seriousness about doing anything about protecting our porous southern border.
The U.S. has already started work on the border wall near El Paso, Trump says. Great. He should keep at it, using whatever funds he can gather through the emergency declaration and from future budgets.
But whatever happens, the wall won't be done in time for 2020, the next national election year. That means Republicans and Democrats will face the border as a major campaign issue in 2020. That's as it should be. Let Trump start building, then let the people decide.
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Definitely need a wall around the WH, Trump Tower and every piece of real estate the Trump owns. Except Ivanka of course.
But, if it was such an emergency why did the Trump say he 'didn't have to do it'? And why did he zip down to Mar a Largo on our dime if it was such an emergency? The conundrum of all conundrums and the Trump placed every brick.
Did Barr go to Mar a Largo too?
And why did it become a bigger emergency once Republicans lost the House? This total moron in the WH ran on draining the swamp and fiscal responsibility, yet he has exploded the deficit, hired tons of beltway lobbyists, and is now openly instigating an action that admittedly will have to cycle through several losing court battles before ending up at the feet of the SC. What a deal maker.
Because those of us who demand the wall have been flooding the White House to pressure the President to take this step if Congress refuses to do its duty
its either build the wall or deploy 50,000military personnel to permantly guard the border until Congress does its job
So how many reserves do we have to deploy to stop illegal global warming?
Personally, I would love to see troops on the steps of the Heartland Institute.
Laughable. Mankind cannot stop the weather or change our earth’s climate cycles
Obama taking virtually the same executive actions and for the very same reason, yet Democrats had no problem with it
Those of you who demand a wall are in the obvious minority. Democracy caters to majorities.
You believe that only as long as it is your beliefs and projects are in the majority. If your ideas fall in with the minority opinion you claim that majority rule is tyranny and oppression.
Be specific. What belief of mine is in the minority and considered by me to be under tyrannical rule?
Are you implying that President Obama sought to re-appropriate funds from different Federal Agencies in defiance of Congress?
Please provide a relative link.
btw Executive Actions by the 44the POTUS averaged 34 per year and were loudly decried as "executive overreach".
The 45th POTUS, who was one of the loudest critics of Obama's EAs, has surpassed Obama with an average of 46 per year so far.
So much for the criticisms, eh?
He was responding to an event and he did not declare a national emergency.
If a similar event occurs now, Trump can also marshal federal forces to deal with the event.
Do you not see the difference between this and Trump declaring our ongoing border security problem as a whole a national emergency as part of a political end-run to fulfill a campaign promise?
We aren’t a democracy. The founders established us as a Republic of states because they stated that democracies are terrible for liberty
He had to. Show me where he got legislation approved for the actions he took at the border
We are a representative democracy. It is true that we are not a direct democracy.
We are also a republic. In fact we are a federal constitutional republic based on a system of representative democracy.
Is that your best attempt at defending minority rule?
Democracy yes, Democrats no. Big difference between the two...
The responsibility is on you to prove he did...you made the claim.
I guess I will be waiting a long time for any link showing that Obama (or any other POTUS)
tried to re-appropriate funds approved by Congress for something else.
So now, after 8 years of bitching about Obama's use of EA's and golfing,
it's OK for Trump to not only do the same, but to exceed in both while the GOP controlled Congress and the White House passed no new border legislation?
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That, Larry, sounds like a monumental failure of leadership from Trump, McConnell & Ryan.
That is the epitome of "sad".
False equivalency.
Yes it is.
Don't you love the smell of conservative hypocrisy on a Wednesday afternoon?
Pot, meet kettle .. and boil it over.
I guess I will be waiting a long time for any link showing that Obama (or any other POTUS)
tried to re-appropriate funds approved by Congress for something else.
You will .. because it hasn't happened before. This is a totally different situation .. Trump claiming power over the requirement for Congress to appropriate funds... and these poor fools don't even think about the precedent it would set, much yet understand the Constitution.
Wow. You might want to rethink that statement if you want to not be seen as a racist. My comment had nothing to do with race.
We suffer the most expensive least efficient public healthcare system in the world and our roads and our bridges are crumbling but we can afford by far the world's best and most expensive military. Too many of our public schools are failing yet financially we still stand astride the world like a Colossus. And yet, somehow Flint still does not have potable drinking water. Are you really telling me we need a goddamn medieval wall? Is that really the top of our priority list? What we need is better leadership. STAT...
Well, here's your precedent....Dem in office, mass shooting happens.
Absolutely nothing stops the Dem president from taking semi-automatic weapons off the street.
Doesn't effect 2nd amendment because you can still own single action firearms.
You have no standing to stop it.
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It should have been for terms of service.
More than 95% of handguns and long guns in this country are semi automatic. There are more than 16 million AR-15 or similar long guns owned in this country. What kind of mindset actually believes we will give up our natural right of self defense against criminals or tyrannical government?
James Madison
"T]he advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- James Madison, Federalist No. 46"
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of the rulers." -- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."
--Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787)
"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." -- Hubert H. Humphrey Liberal Democratic Senator, 22 October 1959
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws."
-- Edward Abbey father of environmental movement in"Abbey's Road", 1979
This liberal owns an AR-15, a 30-06, a Glock 17, a couple of semi auto shotguns and a few other pistols in various calibers. I shoot them (and reload) on a regular basis.
Liberals don't worry me. Far right wing fascists do.
I collect firearms used in American combat. At this point I've got 47. The automatics have been plugged. A good portion of the republicans that make noise about firearms have no idea how to even use them
Don, correct me if I'm wrong...
MUVA, If I'm not mistaken, you're addressing a disabled American Vet.
I think MUVA has expressed that he is many many times???
Or did you mean DO ?
Yes
A new personal low...
No semi-automatic ban is going to violate the 2nd amendment.
You'd still have plenty of single action weapons to bear.
Yet by citing 'war fighters', 'Rangers', 'Special forces' and 'Seals', you cite a select FEW, NOT a 'good portion' of Republicans OR conservatives.
They are under 1% of the population, MANY a slightly higher percentage of Republicans. In short, NOT representative...
So you claim. My boss is a former SEAL and he knows that Trump spits on his service, and that of the entire military. True SEALS don't claim loyalty to a President, but to our country and our Constitution.
The border wall Trump promised Mexico would pay for.
After thinking on this overnight, I've come to the conclusion I certainly hope this wall goes through. It will take money from projects in all 50 states. It will hasten eminent domain land seizures. I'm convinced that someone in Trump's Administration has money invested one or more companies that will do the construction and they aren't smart enough to get away with it. We'll pay more for steel because of Trump Tariffs. There are certain to be serious cost overruns.
All of these things can, and will be, used by Dems against Reps in upcoming elections. Once a Dem gets into office we'll get an emergency declaration on health care and the nation will finally get either get a single payer or universal healthcare system and there will be nothing the cons can do about it. We might even see an emergency declaration on gun violence and push on more expansive federal gun restriction laws.
Rock on for more Executive Power abuses! /s
So, you say it's time to build the wall when Scumbag tells you he's already built most of the wall is he lying? And when he promised you a solid, hardened cement wall (that would be paid for by Mexico) and you're just getting steel slats and you're paying for it how do you shut out from your mind the fact that he's played you a sucker? And it was both amusingly and horrifyingly easy it was to get the Trumpers to change their chant from "build the wall" the "finish the wall" at that rally and ever since. It was like watching someone flip a switch on a bunch of automatons.
And now "stronger together", lol
You forgot to leave the fine print exclusions on rhe bottom.
seems like the RNC inadvertently borrowed Hillary's campaign slogan.
which seems rather odd...
Can't make this stuff up, lol.....
More soon to be ex-RNC staffers.
"he's simply repaired some existing parts."
It is me, you are not supposed to be talking Katrix and here you are going around the restriction. If you do this again, you will get a 2 day vacation. Do not engage Katrix on any level and she will return the favor.]
I didn't reply to anyone specifically. I used a general statement made by someone as an EXAMPLE to the rest of a "RELEVANT to the article" post !
No names were given what-so-ever.
As far as whom I can and cannot respond to.....where is the list I MUST follow again ?
If I can't comment to someone, as you say, why are they allowed to comment on a seed or Article I put up, yet "I" can't respond to them ? ….. as YOU say.
PUT MY RELEVANT TO THE ARTICLE POST BACK UP PLEASE !
OK, I am going to make this as plain as possible. When you have a reply restriction, that means you can't use anything they say. I don't care if YOU think it's relevant. YOU don't get to make that call. The restriction operates as an ignore and you know that because you can't reply to her since the system makes it impossible. YOU ARE RESPONDING TO KATRIX THE MOMENT YOU QUOTED HER. DO NOT REPLY IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM TO ANYTHING THAT KATRIX SAYS. YOUR COMMENT WILL REMAIN DELETED AND IF YOU CONTINUE I WILL GIVE YOU THAT 2 DAY VACATION.
And so am I …. AGAIN :
If I can't comment to someone, as you say, why are they allowed to comment on a seed or Article "I" put up, yet "I" can't respond to them WHEN THEY DO ?
DOESN'T ONE GOOD TURN DESERVE ANOTHER ….to be FAIR ?
Was her comment to you? NO. It was a comment in a thread to other members in the thread. So long as she is not talking to you, as in referencing something you said, then you can not talk to her. Last warning. I am really trying to be fair here.
Doesn't matter who the comment was put to. It was my seed with my name as the seeder.
Funny, I responded the same way to the "Member comment" on MY seed as I did here, yet you didn't scold me for that ! Was it because it was MY seed ?
As a "Seeder" and/or author, I can comment towards anyone that comes about on MY Stuff !
"I am really trying to be fair here."
Not True !
FAIR would be to "not Allow" ANY, ANYWHERE !
If you NEED to suspend me, unless you REVOKE my membership, I will be back again doing what I do !
But this is not your seed and you don't have control here. She can not come onto your seed and vice versa.
And yes you are now getting a two-day vacation for feeling you are above the rules that everyone else has to follow. And don't threaten me with how you will come back. I will do what I have to do.
Oh well.
Now I know the rules huh !
"One is not like the other" !
Interesting that you chose to edit the inconvenient truths from that quote.
He is not allowed to use that quote Dulay. It came from Katrix and they have a "No Reply" restriction. He is not supposed to be engaging her on any level and vice versa.
And that would be ?
Bye, Bye...
Since you are restricted from replying to Katrix's comments, I won't block quote them here so that you can use a back door to do so.
I was drawn back to this seed by your comment. It's ironic that you'd say anything about a 'late' comment since you so often 'fluff' your own seeds to the FP.
As I said, you allowed and participated in the week long off topic thread #5. It's a little late to demand that comments be limited to the topic of the seed now.
That being said, my comment was in reply to ME and I explained why I couldn't block quote what he wanted.
Trump feels that the Pentagon doesn't need the money. His ego fence needs it more. Apparently his idolaters don't give a crap about our actual national defense. Not that he has a clue what the Pentagon actually does .. he's just pissed because most of HIS generals know that they actually work for all of us.
Trump seems to forget that it is Congress that determines the money for the Pentagon, NOT the WH, nor Trump. He also seems to forget that he is not the King or Emperor of the US, as much as he would like to think so. And the Pentagon works for all Americans, not just Trump, as much as he likes to think so.
He also seems to think that being the POTUS means he owns America lock stock and barrel, which he by no means does. And that obviously really pisses him off. Because that is how he sees himself.
He also seems to feel that being President is just a part-time job to be worked at at his pleasure, and his duties as President are not near as important as playing golf. Even Putin, Trumps mentor and Best Friend, puts in more time at his job of being a dictator of his country.
I truly hope that in the up-coming primaries the Republicans will seriously find a far more qualified and experienced candidate to run on their ticket. I am sure there are many such people out there if they really look hard enough, as the GOP will not be the shoo in it was in 2016, no matter who the Dems pick. And as I am not a member of either party, I speak from a practical POV, not from party blindness.
Just my own opinion.
Trump and Putin.
You've got to START on to finish one Xx. There is NO WALL.
A wall that had nothing to do with Trump and the citizens hate it.
By the way...did you see el paso is suing Trump for lying about them? And they're going to win.
It's called a FENCE Xx. Much of it was built with funding appropriated in the legislation entitled the 'SECURE FENCE ACT of 2006' and the "Making emergency supplemental appropriations for border security for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010, and for other purposes." bill.
Neither of those Bills appropriate ONE DIME for a WALL though they DO authorize BILLIONS for FENCING.
Does THAT look like a WALL to you Xx?
I think I could figure out how to package kilos of drugs that fit through that 'WALL'. How about you?
It DOES? Let's see:
In Trump's '10 point plan for immigration' #1 was:
So gee Xx. Trump proposed a hardened concrete, rebar and steel IMPENETRABLE PHYSICAL WALL and you think that a child peering through a FENCE fulfilled his promise. WOW.
Are you sure it hasn't morphed into a WALL Xx? You better look again. I mean after all, you think the picture I linked looks like a WALL right?
Capable of WHAT? Have you figured out how to package kilos to pass through that FENCE yet Xx?
It FAILS to stop drugs and it FAILS to stop entry.
It's kabuki theatre featuring a shinny object to mesmerize his sycophants and you cheerlead...
You really have no fucking clue what it takes to do a government project on this scale Xx.
Let's take your delusional scenario and pretend that Trump is going to take the money he is stealing for other needed projects to build his fantasy wall.
What will be the design Xx?
Are you aware that the CBP AND the Army Corp of Engineers REJECTED all of Trump's fantasy prototypes? I've linked the IG report on Trump's border WALL designs here multiple times.
NONE of the concrete prototypes could be constructed on anything over a 10% grade Xx and the cost for all of them was OVER THE TOP.
In the middle of last year, the CBP FINALLY convinced Mr. 'I build the best WALLS believe ME' that concrete wasn't what they needed or wanted and that the FENCE prototypes that they wasted money on were NO BETTER than what they've been building on the border for almost a decade.
Trump is going to build the SAME KIND of FENCE that OBAMA did Xx. Suck it up and accept that reality.
Stop coming on here and pretending that a FENCE is a WALL.
Stop pissing on our leg and telling us it's raining.
Yeah...I'm dreaming and reading facts...and you?
Not near as ridiculous as most of the stuff you post. So who are you to judge me?
believe you may ave possibly spelled you're
wrong
You are nobody's superior so just flush that notion out of your head. You certainly aren't superior to Raven
Did you miss #5 thread? Not much about a WALL there...
This seed has been off topic for over a week.
How many times do I have to tell you? You can't finish what's never been started Xx.
Tell you what Xx. How about you post a photo of this 'WALL' that you allege exists.
If you post a photo of a FENCE, you've failed...
OK Everyone.. stop with the personal comments.