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Poll: 55 percent of Americans think Trump killing Soleimani made the U.S. less safe

  

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Via:  tessylo  •  6 years ago  •  98 comments

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Poll: 55 percent of Americans think Trump killing Soleimani made the U.S. less safe

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Poll: 55 percent of Americans think Trump killing Soleimani made the U.S. less safe






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A majority of Americans don't seem to be buying the Trump administration's rationale for killing Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleiman, according to a new poll.

In a   USA TODAY /Ipsos poll   released Thursday, 55 percent of U.S. adults said the United States' recent drone strike that killed Soleimani and its immediate aftermath made the country less safe.

The administration has contended the opposite in the days since the strike. Vice President Mike Pence, for example,   told   Today   in an interview Thursday   that "America is safer" as a result of Trump's decision.

But only 24 percent of Americans in this poll said the strike made the country safer, and almost a third of Republicans said the strike made the U.S. less safe. Even so, 42 percent of Americans still supported the Soleimani strike, while 33 percent opposed it and 25 percent didn't know what to think about it.

Fifty-two percent of those surveyed also described Trump's behavior with Iran as "reckless," while 62 percent said the strike that killed Soleimani made it more likely that the United States and Iran will go to war. Forty-seven percent said they believe Trump authorized the bombing to distract from impeachment.

USA Today 's poll was taken by surveying 1,005 adults online on Jan. 7 and Jan. 8, and it was completed prior to Trump's recent address. The margin of error is 3.5 percentage points. Read the   full results at   USA Today .





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squiggy
Junior Silent
2  squiggy    6 years ago
"I take comfort in the fact that Iran doesn't blame the U.S., they blame tRump." ...much like I blame Obama's Libya Liberation for searing fear into Kim's mind - leaving the necessity of nukes his passion.
 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.1  Ronin2  replied to  squiggy @2    6 years ago

To be fair Clinton, Bush, and Obama made all 3rd world regimes very nervous.

Of they were all Establishment candidates, so that makes what they did OK./S

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

There is a lot of danger in the world. Doing the right thing takes courage.

To the title, I'll refer to FDR at the dawn of the Second World War - "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
4  bugsy    6 years ago

Can you post the methodology of this poll?

I would be very, very surprised to not find democrats over sampled, or that the majority of those polled were in the northeast or west coast.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5  JBB    6 years ago

Do you feel less safe? I certainly do...

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1  bugsy  replied to  JBB @5    6 years ago
Do you feel less safe? I certainly do...

Democrat talking point.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.4  bugsy  replied to    6 years ago

They know the answer is yes to both, but they have to defend their messiah at all costs.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
5.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to    6 years ago

We should have just sent them the antiquated, at least by that time, equipment that they supposedly paid for in advance. Isn't that what the money was purported to have been for?  NO interest accrual included. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    6 years ago
Just to clarify, did we send them 150 billion yes or no

No.

U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in Iran's own “usable liquid assets,” that had been frozen, according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under secretary of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence. The deal with Iran was for them to give up all their nuclear ambitions and ability and agree to be heavily monitored for the next 15 years in exchange for access to their own money/assets and a lifting of some financial sanctions. By all accounts, they had been abiding by their end of the bargain until dishonest Donald abruptly pulled the plug on the US participation in a global deal made by the P5+1 (the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council—the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China—plus Germany) and the European Union, not "Obama".

So please stop repeating all the bullshit lies coming out of this dishonest Presidents mouth. He gets his news from Breitbart and Fox, so of course he can't be trusted. Stop letting the right wing "alternative fact" machine delude you, you're all smarter than that, you don't have to let yourselves be deceived unless you wanted to be deceived and the insertion of the head into Trumps voluminous backside was intentional. If that's the case, then I supposed there really isn't anything anyone can do to change your mind until someone changes dirty Donald's diaper.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
5.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.5    6 years ago

That would have been a possibility if they still existed. What were they buying, F4s?  They only exist in museums now I believe.

The only US aircraft Iran ever had were F4, F5 and they are still flying F-14s

And I understand that giving them back their own money with interest meant that it would be to some percentage

be used against us and our allies by funding terrorists.  Obama and our allies knew that they could not control that.

Nor could they keep the money frozen for 40 more years.

But the alternative to the negotiated $1.7 billion was to let the

World Court pass a judgement of $8 to 10 billion against the USA which would have financed far more more attacks against us & Israel.

which we would not have honored and would have caused political damage to the UN, NATO and our own

legal reputation/standing in the world.

Keep in mind that Treasury had discovered a secret Iranian account of $2 Billion in NYC in 2012 which Obama promptly froze

and declared it would be divided among any claimant against Iran, including military.

Iran sued and the case went to the Supreme Court which decided for Obama.

Iran sued in the World Court which last year agreed to make a judgement but warned Iran that it's "dirty hands"

would be factored in to whatever judgement would be rendered.

So we have come back to the same dilemma ( for some people); if the WC finds for the USA all is well.

If the WC finds partially or all for Iran ( unlikely ) the it will be up to President Trump to concur or tell the WC

to go to hell.

hence, the human game continues...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
5.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.8    6 years ago
The $150 billion

The 2015 agreement freed up Iranian assets that had been frozen under sanctions. Called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, the deal included Iran and the United States, China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom and the European Union.

The agreement only affected sanctions imposed to punish Iran for its nuclear program. Iran has other assets that remain frozen.

Some conservatives have put the amount released after lifted sanctions as high as $150 billion, which is the highest of estimates we have seen. Another estimate from Iran’s Central Bank topped out at about $29 billion in readily available funds, with another $45 billion tied up in Chinese investment projects and the foreign assets of the Iran’s Oil Ministry.

After talking with officials at Iran’s Central Bank, Nader Habibi, professor of economics of the Middle East at Brandeis University, believes the actual total is between $25 billion and $50 billion.

In July 2015 , U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew told lawmakers Iran would gain access to $56 billion.

It’s important to know that little of that money was under the control of the United States or any U.S. bank. Most of it, Habibi said, was in central and commercial banks overseas. Furthermore, it was Iran’s money to begin with, not a payment from any government to buy Iran’s cooperation.

So, No.  Neither Obama, the US or the other signatories gave Iran $150 Billion dollars as President Trump has repeated.

they did unfreeze something less than $60 billion.

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Quiet
5.1.10  katrix  replied to    6 years ago
Just to clarify, did we send them 150 billion yes or no, and did they use that money to sponsor terrorism? 

Jesus Christ, don't you ever read any accurate news?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.12  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  katrix @5.1.10    6 years ago
Jesus Christ, don't you ever read any accurate news?

Of course not, they're being indoctrinated inside the right wing "alternative fact" machine to believe anything outside of their propaganda is "fake news" and an "enemy of the people". It's how populists, despots and dictators have always built a barrier against any logic, reason and intelligence that doesn't align with their personal political objectives.

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Quiet
5.1.13  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.12    6 years ago

And Trump is laughing his ass off at their gullibility, as are the alt-right assholes who are manipulating Trump.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5.1.15  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    6 years ago
It was their money

Why is that important? We confiscate money and private property from drug dealers and other criminals all the time. We don't give it back to them when we let them out of jail. Why should we return money we confiscated from people who kidnap our citizens and are the biggest exporters of terrorism on the planet?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
5.1.16  Split Personality  replied to    6 years ago

So you are saying that 120 now equals 150 ??

Interesting.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    6 years ago
Iran had limited ability to utilize its $120 billion in assets held abroad.

So I take it you're not familiar with the definitions of "limited ability" and "utilize"?

Above, we have a Trump loyalist repeating the lie about "Obama" giving Iran $150 billion. This is an obvious, easily disproved lie.

You then link the actual PDF of the updated Iran sanctions that disproves your own lie. Besides the number being $30 billion lower than your repeated lie, it directly states that only a part of that total was completely frozen. How does it feel to hoist yourself on your own petard?

"The phrase's meaning is literally that the bomb-maker (a "petard" is a small explosive device) is blown up ("hoisted" off the ground) by his own bomb, and indicates an ironic reversal, or poetic justice."

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
5.1.18  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.15    6 years ago

International laws?

What we do to our own citizens is of no matter in this conversation.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5.1.20  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.18    6 years ago

I'm thinking that when they engage in kidnapping, rape, and murder, they forfeit their right to protect their assets under "international law." For me, kidnapping, rape, and murder are violations of more serious international laws than confiscating the funds of people who engage in that kind of thing. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
5.1.21  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.20    6 years ago

Unfortunately, it is the human game.  The old Testament endorsed the same behavior at God's direction as does the Koran.

but we may be wandering off topic here.

jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
5.1.22  Split Personality  replied to    6 years ago

Well at the risk of repeating your own words to you, you implied that "we" sent to Iran $150 billion.

You know you misspoke and you are just spinning wheels.

Per my other comments, "we" as in in the Obama Admin negotiated to send 400 mill in cash to Iran and 1.3 billion in interest.

That is uncontested.

When the USA Germany France UK EU Russia and China crafted the Iran Nuke Deal

they unfroze Iranian assets around the globe the amount of which is

still contested by a lot of links to be between 25 billion and 120 billion

which has been exaggerated by certain media and the current President to $150 billion

the 120 was frozen assets, that did not include the money from the arms sale that we didn't deliver among other other moneys. 

So I can only assume ( I know, I know) that we are in 100% agreement

and that you are in total denial that that was ever possible.

Cheers jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
5.1.24  Split Personality  replied to    6 years ago
thanks to Obama administration

and the French, British, Europeans, Russians and Chinese.

You really need to do something about that ODS. jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
7  Tacos!    6 years ago

People believe what the news media tells them to believe. Considering the way they freak out over everything Trump does - from foreign policy to the way he eats pizza - it's not surprising that a nation that can't even find Iran on a map thinks we are in more danger from them than before.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Participates
7.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Tacos! @7    6 years ago
People believe what the news media tells them to believe.

Where are you obtaining your information?  Trump and his pallies personally keeping you in the loop, are they?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
7.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.1    6 years ago
Where are you obtaining your information?

From the seat of my pants. Wanna feel?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.1    6 years ago

that was funny but you shouldn't tease Sister like that

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
7.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @7    6 years ago

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Split Personality
Professor Participates
8  Split Personality    6 years ago

I will be locking this at 6PM EST due to the seeders absence.

I she so chooses we can unlock it Monday when she returns.

 
 

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