With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
I must say I was very surprised at how the Republicans who normally kiss his red raspberry were firmly and unanimously against it. And I think for his response to them, he was very surprised as well. I don't think any Republicans have ever rejected anything he wanted to do with such vigor and unity. It must have been a real shock to him after being spoon fed by McConnell and his devoted colleagues.
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
Since the coronavirus isn't going to go away anytime soon, it would seem Trump wants to be president for life (he got the idea from his buddy Vlad the Impaler).
I have feet that are two different sizes. That is odd. I had a horse that was in love with a cow. That was odd. I alphabetize my can goods. That is odd. Trump is not odd. He is full blown over the cuckoo's nest bat shit crazy.
And surprising, and likely to Trump too, McConnell and many other Republicans flat out said no way will that happen. Not only does he not have the authority to do, but, there is no reason at all to do it. I think that by the adamant rejection of that idea Trump found himself on the outside looking in at the time and was scared at what he saw and heard. None of his cronies and butt kissers have ever been that outspoken and unanimously reject his 'plan'. He seemed to be very taken aback at their unanimous standing. And it was not just a "I don't think you have the power to do so", it was more of a "Not only no, but, HELL no!" tone to their reactions.
I was kind of wondering, what would happen if the American voters became totally convinced that Trump was right, that the election could not possibly be valid, that the result had to be faulty and the result had to be a complete travesty..........and he actually wins the election?
Trump will just declare the mail-in voting was all fraud and deny the results valid if he loses. And of course, he will have all his sheep willing to support his lie. He will refuse to leave the WH until the SCOTUS verifies the election in valid. That he hopes will give him more time in the WH to figure out a way to keep from leaving.
But, he will implode when he finds out that his Buds on the SCOTUS won't lie for him, and respect the Constitution.
Plus, Trump has no one but himself for the COVID-19 getting so out of hand. That is why he is trying to blame China for creating the virus in one of its labs, then sending it to the US. And if he had not tried to convince the American people that is was no dangerous and there was no real threat, which was totally opposite from what the experts were warning, it likely would not have spread as it did.
Some of his supporters are threatening to start a war if anyone tries to make Trump leave the WH, even if he does not win the election, which they hope will scare the people into voting for him in order to avoid a full out war.
I do not want a war, but, it would be interesting to see how his supporters with war guns would fare against the US military with all its military equipment and numbers. They live in a fantasy would, thinking they are invincible.
Yesterday an old Hollywood movie was shown here - 30 Seconds Over Tokyo. It was about the first American bombers to bomb Japan during WW2, and they had to end up in China. The Chinese people saved the crews' lives, protected them from the Japanese and provided whatever medical care they could, and the Americans said lot of really nice things about the Chinese people. I was just thinking how antithetical it is today, to have heard Americans saying nice things about the Chinese. As well, they were to get themselves to Chunking (the name at that time for Chongqing, where I live) that city being mentioned many times, in order to be as safe as possible and from there get themselves back to America. Chongqing is where the American Flying Tigers were based.
By the way, starting a war might be the only way left for Trump to unify the country behind him, and I am really concerned that he is insane enough to do it. God forbid what will happen to all of us, you and me, if he pushes the button.
Living in the world we do now, with the insane, power hungry narcissist in the WH I would not put is behind those like him would do anything he asked of them, even killing their own people.
However, I think you have to consider those in the Pentagon and Congress that, while Trumps armed militias might try to start something, our men in uniform in the Pentagon have had them in their sights for a looong time, and the minute they try to start something they will be quickly 6 feet under.
Thus, the likelihood of there being any kind of outright war is slim and none. And, the majority of the American people know this as well. We had one war that split this country and its people and no one wants to see that happen again.
So I am not going to lose any sleep worrying about an all out war with Trumps rabid and brainless supporters. It may be their dream, but, that is all it will ever be.
Chongqing is where the American Flying Tigers were based.
Very Interesting Buzz. I had a 3rd Cousin who flew with the Flying Tigers during the war. Unfortunately, he didn't make home. I never met him, but, my Father told me about it when I was older.
Which proves, there is always a job that needs someone to do it.
There is such a simple way to negate any argument that mail in can be fraudulent. Every post office would have a separate container for mail in votes only. A guard is placed with the container. At the end of the voting day, the container is transferred to say a armored car. A R/D/I representative will accompany the containers to its final destination.
The question is going to be are his followers going to follow him over the bridge, or are they going to support the US Constitution, and what was normal up to 2015.
Of course they will follow him over the bridge, just as the rats followed the Pied Piper. Have you ever seen even ONCE that one of his followers has disagreed with ANYTHING he said or did. To them, their demi-god can do no wrong nor say anything wrong. It's as if they have granted him total control over their brains.
(CNN) President Donald Trump explicitly floated delaying November's presidential election on Thursday, lending extraordinary voice to persistent concerns that he would seek to circumvent voting in a contest where he currently trails his opponent by double digits.
Trump has no authority to delay an election, and the Constitution gives Congress the power to set the date for voting.
But in his tweet on Thursday morning -- coming 96 days before the election and minutes after the federal government reported the worst economic contraction in recorded history -- Trump offered the suggestion because he claimed without evidence the contest will be flawed.
"With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA," he wrote. "Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???"
There is no evidence that mail-in voting leads to fraud.
Trump has previously sought to stoke fear and lay the groundwork to question the election's results by promoting the idea that mail-in voting leads to widespread fraud and a "rigged" election.
His tweet comes as a spate of recent polling in battleground states -- and even states he won handily in 2016 -- show him trailing or virtually tied with former Vice President Joe Biden, and widespread disapproval of his handling of the pandemic.
He got a handle on earlier than any Democrat would have thanks to his business experience and industry contacts.
Thanks to his leadership the economy is recovering quite nicely in spite of the Democrat efforts to slow it down and suppress it with yet more lockdowns.
Seem to recall that Trump ran the vast majority of his businesses into the ground then left his stockholders holding an empty bag. He's doing the same to America.
We've all seen what happens when states, localities and businesses open too early. There are spikes in new cases and spikes in deaths due to it.
but the very idea sure gets Democrat underwear tied up in knots because they believe everything he says.
No, not because they believe everything he says, it's because they know that everything he says is a freakin' lie! Trump has lied so much in his life that he would not know the truth if it bit him in the upper lip.
And at this point, with what everybody knows now, only fools would defend him. Watch those fools try to deflect from his ignoring warnings, totally blotching containment (there are countries that have done it successfully but they don't have imbecile leaders who personally display dangerous examples), and those kow-towing fools think that American voters are so ignorant that they can be deflected from the truth by his blaming others for his incompetence.
Agree. They are the only ones who have been defending him all along. Not much new there. But, the one thing that is really bothering some people in Congress, whose who are also up for election this Nov, is that they are finally waking up to the reality that their undying devotion to Trump at this point could jeopardize their chance of re-election or election. Their loyalty seems to be fading when it comes to them being re-elected or Trump. I think most people will know who they will pick.
Once again, no support for our troops. Veterans vote by mail, veterans run for office and everyone with a brain knows a paper trail is the best. There are no problems with mail in voting. Voters have to have already voted, registered to vote with whatever ID is required in their home state and must fill out a form in many states as a request which provided a traceable paper trail.
If Republicans really wanted voter ID to be a standard, then voting by mail is the gold standard. It's a felony to tamper with the US Mail.
Never mind that EVERY JOB within the USPS is and AMERICAN JOB!!!!!!! Hire more AMERICANS for AMERICAN JOBS to keep the post office running for everyone.
I am genuinely surprised the with all the swamp drug company lobbying that goes on that these companies are not up in arms about losing drug income from all the people who order their medications by mail. UNBELIEVABLE!
It is an interesting time for the administration to renew its war against the US Postal Service.
One of the few if only branches of the government that is not supported by tax dollars.
For years it has been the wet dream of Republicans to privatize the Post Office so that it is no longer competition to FedEx and UPS who faithfully send in their dollars to the Republican Party.
CBS News decided to test it, sending 100 mock ballots simulating a hundred voters in locations all across Philadelphia to a post office box. After some delays, 97 arrived. In a close election, 3% could be pivotal, especially in what's expected to be a record year for mail-in-voting.
Fraud aside, does anyone believe the USPS can handle this? The election shouldn't, and won't, be postponed but the worry that an election by mail will have significant problems is certainly justified.
Instead of belittling the USPS, Trump could be preparing them for the short term influx. Training for a starting position in the USPS is only 2 weeks, they've got plenty of time to train thousands all over the country to mitigate the issue.
Of course, that wouldn't advance their agenda or yours.
Terms end on 1-3, for the house and 35 senators. Currently Grassley would be next in line in such a scenario, but the balance of senators remaining would be D-33, R-30, I-2. So who would be President pro tempore? It's a fun exercise, imo.
Of course, once an election were held, those individuals would be out on their ear... so who would want a temporary assignment at the cost of current assignment?
This is from the co-founder of the Federalist Society!
"I am frankly appalled by the president's recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election. Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats' assertion that President Trump is a fascist...
... this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president's immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate"
It's time for a SERIOUS impeachment.
No John, he just wants to keep the attention focused on the Democrats traditional history of election cheating that has gone on for decades.
Boxes of mailed in ballots in Democrat strongholds have a way of magically appearing days after the election.
Source for that bit of pull-it-out-of-your-nether-regions?
Well gee Greg, the most recent example of mail in ballot fraud was the large scale fraud by GOP in North Carolina.
There is no evidence of that Greg Jones. What there is evidence of is Florida disqualifying 800,000 Democrat ballots in 2016.
Voter suppression is a plank of the GOP!
Trump doesn't give a fuck about cheating as long it's in his favor. He's been a cheat all of his life.
I say move it up.
Congrats John, You were right on it! The tweet of all tweets!!!!
Doesn't that just gall ya? Hillary warned us as soon as the Coronavirus shut down the economy! Don't let him do it, John!
Thank God, even the Republican co-conspirators in his party finally spoke out in public against Trump's "Hair Brain" idea to delay the election.
I must say I was very surprised at how the Republicans who normally kiss his red raspberry were firmly and unanimously against it. And I think for his response to them, he was very surprised as well. I don't think any Republicans have ever rejected anything he wanted to do with such vigor and unity. It must have been a real shock to him after being spoon fed by McConnell and his devoted colleagues.
Uh, no. He sounds like he wants suspend the Constitution!
What part of the Constitution would that be?
Article II
Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
Trump is odd. He proposed it on Twitter and has floated the idea many times as well.
Trump is odd. He proposed it on Twitter and has floated the idea many times as well.
Since the coronavirus isn't going to go away anytime soon, it would seem Trump wants to be president for life (he got the idea from his buddy Vlad the Impaler).
Trump is odd
I have feet that are two different sizes. That is odd. I had a horse that was in love with a cow. That was odd. I alphabetize my can goods. That is odd. Trump is not odd. He is full blown over the cuckoo's nest bat shit crazy.
He has on many, many occasions suspended the Constitution, since he has NEVER read it and has no one but William Barr to advise him.
He has on many, many occasions suspended the Constitution, since he has NEVER read it and has no one but William Barr to advise him.
Please stop posting the same thing twice. Bullshit once is once too many.
Is there anyone who didn't expect him to want to delay it?
By delay he really means abolish.
And surprising, and likely to Trump too, McConnell and many other Republicans flat out said no way will that happen. Not only does he not have the authority to do, but, there is no reason at all to do it. I think that by the adamant rejection of that idea Trump found himself on the outside looking in at the time and was scared at what he saw and heard. None of his cronies and butt kissers have ever been that outspoken and unanimously reject his 'plan'. He seemed to be very taken aback at their unanimous standing. And it was not just a "I don't think you have the power to do so", it was more of a "Not only no, but, HELL no!" tone to their reactions.
I was kind of wondering, what would happen if the American voters became totally convinced that Trump was right, that the election could not possibly be valid, that the result had to be faulty and the result had to be a complete travesty..........and he actually wins the election?
Trump will just declare the mail-in voting was all fraud and deny the results valid if he loses. And of course, he will have all his sheep willing to support his lie. He will refuse to leave the WH until the SCOTUS verifies the election in valid. That he hopes will give him more time in the WH to figure out a way to keep from leaving.
But, he will implode when he finds out that his Buds on the SCOTUS won't lie for him, and respect the Constitution.
Plus, Trump has no one but himself for the COVID-19 getting so out of hand. That is why he is trying to blame China for creating the virus in one of its labs, then sending it to the US. And if he had not tried to convince the American people that is was no dangerous and there was no real threat, which was totally opposite from what the experts were warning, it likely would not have spread as it did.
Some of his supporters are threatening to start a war if anyone tries to make Trump leave the WH, even if he does not win the election, which they hope will scare the people into voting for him in order to avoid a full out war.
I do not want a war, but, it would be interesting to see how his supporters with war guns would fare against the US military with all its military equipment and numbers. They live in a fantasy would, thinking they are invincible.
Yesterday an old Hollywood movie was shown here - 30 Seconds Over Tokyo. It was about the first American bombers to bomb Japan during WW2, and they had to end up in China. The Chinese people saved the crews' lives, protected them from the Japanese and provided whatever medical care they could, and the Americans said lot of really nice things about the Chinese people. I was just thinking how antithetical it is today, to have heard Americans saying nice things about the Chinese. As well, they were to get themselves to Chunking (the name at that time for Chongqing, where I live) that city being mentioned many times, in order to be as safe as possible and from there get themselves back to America. Chongqing is where the American Flying Tigers were based.
By the way, starting a war might be the only way left for Trump to unify the country behind him, and I am really concerned that he is insane enough to do it. God forbid what will happen to all of us, you and me, if he pushes the button.
Living in the world we do now, with the insane, power hungry narcissist in the WH I would not put is behind those like him would do anything he asked of them, even killing their own people.
However, I think you have to consider those in the Pentagon and Congress that, while Trumps armed militias might try to start something, our men in uniform in the Pentagon have had them in their sights for a looong time, and the minute they try to start something they will be quickly 6 feet under.
Thus, the likelihood of there being any kind of outright war is slim and none. And, the majority of the American people know this as well. We had one war that split this country and its people and no one wants to see that happen again.
So I am not going to lose any sleep worrying about an all out war with Trumps rabid and brainless supporters. It may be their dream, but, that is all it will ever be.
Treason is not something to take lightly.
Very Interesting Buzz. I had a 3rd Cousin who flew with the Flying Tigers during the war. Unfortunately, he didn't make home. I never met him, but, my Father told me about it when I was older.
Which proves, there is always a job that needs someone to do it.
There is such a simple way to negate any argument that mail in can be fraudulent. Every post office would have a separate container for mail in votes only. A guard is placed with the container. At the end of the voting day, the container is transferred to say a armored car. A R/D/I representative will accompany the containers to its final destination.
This is a bridge too far, although one Trump seems happy to cross.
The question is going to be are his followers going to follow him over the bridge, or are they going to support the US Constitution, and what was normal up to 2015.
Of course they will follow him over the bridge, just as the rats followed the Pied Piper. Have you ever seen even ONCE that one of his followers has disagreed with ANYTHING he said or did. To them, their demi-god can do no wrong nor say anything wrong. It's as if they have granted him total control over their brains.
And thanks to your president if he had gotten a handle on this virus from the beginning we might not have such a horrible economy
He got a handle on earlier than any Democrat would have thanks to his business experience and industry contacts.
Thanks to his leadership the economy is recovering quite nicely in spite of the Democrat efforts to slow it down and suppress it with yet more lockdowns.
oh please. Go tell that to someone who wants to buy a bridge in the middle of the Sahara Desert
On what planet is any of that true?
Maybe Zeta Reticula?
go hang out with a lot of other trumpsters without a mask...
Seem to recall that Trump ran the vast majority of his businesses into the ground then left his stockholders holding an empty bag. He's doing the same to America.
We've all seen what happens when states, localities and businesses open too early. There are spikes in new cases and spikes in deaths due to it.
NO WAY....Fuck off orange conman, ain't going to happen
no worries. only congress can delay an election.
Correct, Trump can blow hot air all day long but cannot change the date of the election.
Everybody knows that, but the very idea sure gets Democrat underwear tied up in knots because they believe everything he says.
LOL, please Greg you have, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I would suggest that most Democrats don't believe the word of a world class liar.
No, not because they believe everything he says, it's because they know that everything he says is a freakin' lie! Trump has lied so much in his life that he would not know the truth if it bit him in the upper lip.
It's only fools that believe him.
That's why you visit this forum, isn't it? You need your daily fix of pissing off liberals
he's been pissed off ever since trumpski admitted the birth certificate was real.
POS/POTUS doesn't seem to know it...
And at this point, with what everybody knows now, only fools would defend him. Watch those fools try to deflect from his ignoring warnings, totally blotching containment (there are countries that have done it successfully but they don't have imbecile leaders who personally display dangerous examples), and those kow-towing fools think that American voters are so ignorant that they can be deflected from the truth by his blaming others for his incompetence.
Agree. They are the only ones who have been defending him all along. Not much new there. But, the one thing that is really bothering some people in Congress, whose who are also up for election this Nov, is that they are finally waking up to the reality that their undying devotion to Trump at this point could jeopardize their chance of re-election or election. Their loyalty seems to be fading when it comes to them being re-elected or Trump. I think most people will know who they will pick.
They won't because their own reelections would be in jeopardy if they do.
Once again, no support for our troops. Veterans vote by mail, veterans run for office and everyone with a brain knows a paper trail is the best. There are no problems with mail in voting. Voters have to have already voted, registered to vote with whatever ID is required in their home state and must fill out a form in many states as a request which provided a traceable paper trail.
If Republicans really wanted voter ID to be a standard, then voting by mail is the gold standard. It's a felony to tamper with the US Mail.
Never mind that EVERY JOB within the USPS is and AMERICAN JOB!!!!!!! Hire more AMERICANS for AMERICAN JOBS to keep the post office running for everyone.
I am genuinely surprised the with all the swamp drug company lobbying that goes on that these companies are not up in arms about losing drug income from all the people who order their medications by mail. UNBELIEVABLE!
It is an interesting time for the administration to renew its war against the US Postal Service.
One of the few if only branches of the government that is not supported by tax dollars.
For years it has been the wet dream of Republicans to privatize the Post Office so that it is no longer competition to FedEx and UPS who faithfully send in their dollars to the Republican Party.
Is Donald asking a question? Perhaps one of his supporters here can expound on what actions he intends to take NOW to ensure that can happen.
Today's insane tweet is likely due to the following:
1. To distract from the fact that The Bureau of Economic Analysis said today that the U.S. economy posted its worst drop on record.
2. To distract from the fact that Trump is not present at today's funeral of American hero, John Lewis, attended by three former Presidents.
3. Trump likes to display his autocratic yearnings because his cultists eat it up.
CBS News decided to test it, sending 100 mock ballots simulating a hundred voters in locations all across Philadelphia to a post office box. After some delays, 97 arrived. In a close election, 3% could be pivotal, especially in what's expected to be a record year for mail-in-voting.
Fraud aside, does anyone believe the USPS can handle this? The election shouldn't, and won't, be postponed but the worry that an election by mail will have significant problems is certainly justified.
Your link makes NO mention of fraud, why did you?
Instead of belittling the USPS, Trump could be preparing them for the short term influx. Training for a starting position in the USPS is only 2 weeks, they've got plenty of time to train thousands all over the country to mitigate the issue.
Of course, that wouldn't advance their agenda or yours.
What a maroon...
He is just setting up the narrative that if he loses, it was rigged.
Not going to happen, but it is a fun exercise in the "what if". If it were delayed until after 1-20-2021, then President Schumer?
Wouldn't it be Pelosi since she's Speaker of the House and 3rd in the line of sucession
Terms end on 1-3, for the house and 35 senators. Currently Grassley would be next in line in such a scenario, but the balance of senators remaining would be D-33, R-30, I-2. So who would be President pro tempore? It's a fun exercise, imo.
Of course, once an election were held, those individuals would be out on their ear... so who would want a temporary assignment at the cost of current assignment?
This is from the co-founder of the Federalist Society!
"I am frankly appalled by the president's recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election. Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats' assertion that President Trump is a fascist...
... this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president's immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate"
Trump's comments about "suspending the Presidential Election" do not disturb you?
Is it only the Democrat's objections to his UnConstitutional proposals that alarms you?
I have a suggestion for Trump, but I don't think he has the physical flexibility to pull it off.