1 big thing ... Scoop: Inside Biden's private chat with historians

  

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Via:  hallux  •  3 weeks ago  •  49 comments

By:   Mike Allen

1 big thing ... Scoop: Inside Biden's private chat with historians
"I'm no FDR, but … "

If there is any reason to become President, meeting with many of America's finest historians would be at the top of my list.


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



Hosting historians   around a long table in the East Room earlier this month, President Biden took notes in a black book as they discussed some of his most admired predecessors. Then he said to Doris Kearns Goodwin: "I'm no FDR, but … "

  • Why it matters:   He'd like to be.

The March 2 session,   which the White House kept under wraps, reflects Biden's determination to be one of the most consequential presidents.

  • The chatty, two-hour-plus meeting   is a for-the-history-books marker of the think-big, go-big mentality that pervades his West Wing.

The big picture:   Biden's presidency has already been transformative, and he has many more giant plans teed up that could make   Biden's New Deal   the biggest change to governance in our lifetimes.

  • Biden,   who holds his first formal news conference today at 1:15 p.m. in the East Room, started his term with the $1.9 trillion COVID bill, with numerous measures tucked in to reduce inequality.
  • Vaccines are rolling out,   positioning Biden to get ahead of the pandemic. Democrats in Congress are pushing the most sweeping changes in voting rights since the 1960s.
  • And he's preparing   an infrastructure and green-energy plan that's bigger than the original tab for the Interstate highway system, to be followed by a   domestic proposal   (free community college, universal pre-K) that brings the pair of packages to $3 trillion, with possible pay-fors that would dramatically rebalance the tax system.

Attendees tell me   that the afternoon session with historians was held in a White House that was ghostly quiet, because many fewer aides are working in Biden's COVID-era West Wing than are typical. To some of the guests, it felt like a snow day.

  • The session was organized   by Jon Meacham, the presidential biographer and informal Biden adviser who has helped with big speeches from Nashville, and serves as POTUS' historical muse.
  • Besides Goodwin,   participants included Michael Beschloss, author Michael Eric Dyson, Yale's Joanne Freeman, Princeton's Eddie Glaude Jr., Harvard's Annette Gordon-Reed and Walter Isaacson.

Biden made it clear   to his guests that he knew the gravity of the multiple crises facing America. He knew a lot about Franklin D. Roosevelt, and peppered Goodwin with questions about the World War II leader.

  • Beyond the icons (Lincoln, LBJ),   the conversation got as granular as the Jay Treaty of 1794.
  • They talked   a lot about the elasticity of presidential power, and the limits of going   bigger and faster   than the public might anticipate or stomach.

Afterward,   Biden told an aide: "I could have gone another two hours."


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    3 weeks ago

Any good conversation will digress into a myriad of subjects ... don't hold back.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Hallux @1    3 weeks ago

ahhh, to have an adult back in our White House again...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1    3 weeks ago

cool 'tude, dude...

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  devangelical @1.2    3 weeks ago

Ideas give birth to ideas and if ideas are your cake, you can have it and eat it too.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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1.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Hallux @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

And after reasonable discourse, when adults can agree to disagree after mutually respecting another’s opinion, it is but icing on that cake. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

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Hallux
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1.2.4  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

Poor Marie Antoinette ... she got saddled with a saying she never made.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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1.2.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Hallux @1.2.4    3 weeks ago

But she did enjoy a good saddling...

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.2.6  seeder  Hallux  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.5    3 weeks ago

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.7  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

Hahaha

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hallux @1    3 weeks ago

We've already devolved into cannibalism in Thread #2

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.3.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3    3 weeks ago

It'll be a shit-storm when the vegans show up.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.3.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Hallux @1.3.1    3 weeks ago

Between the two of you we are staring at a gastro-intestinal apocalypse of biblical prescription!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2  Paula Bartholomew    3 weeks ago

The man has a big taste for knowledge and history unlike Trump who only had a taste for Diet Coke.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2    3 weeks ago

and KFC. Don't forget the Colonel's Finest

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1    3 weeks ago

I wonder what the former biggest twit on twitter does now at 3am on the shitter.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.2  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1    3 weeks ago

The Devil said the Colonel tasted like chicken.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

Bops his bologna?

I have to admit I stole that from Paula on another thread but it fits.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hallux @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

I have to know..did the Devil roast him or eat him raw?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

Probably laughs at the idiots who allow him to live rent free in their heads.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

"I have to know..did the Devil roast him or eat him raw?"

Reminds me of this movie where the guy sold his soul to the devil - said he wasn't using it at the time . . . sounds familiar

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

"The Devil said the Colonel tasted like chicken."

Only with the Colonel's Secret Recipe With 11 herbs and spices . . . . . 

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.8  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

Frozen ... Danté got the weather wrong.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hallux @2.1.8    3 weeks ago

Gives a whole new meaning to Chicken on a Stick

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.9    3 weeks ago

Now I'm hungry . . . I've been craving KFC for a while now

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.11  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

Be funnier.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1    3 weeks ago

And Big Macs.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.13  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.5    3 weeks ago
Probably laughs at the idiots who allow him to live rent free in their heads.

that's pretty far down his comedy list from laughing at the dumb asses that voted for him, the gullible morons that sent/send him money, the traitors that attempted sedition at his direction and failed, the delusional that think he can make a political comeback, and the rwnj political peter puffers that still defend him at every opportunity, by trolling.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2.1.13    3 weeks ago
"and the rwnj political peter puffers that still defend him at every opportunity, by trolling."

Non-stop, constant, incessant trolling, not to mention non-stop constant, incessant whining

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.1.15  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

I have to know..did the Devil roast him or eat him raw?

If he had gone down to  Georgia, he would have had him fried.

Otherwise ..... Fava Beans with a nice chianti 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @2.1.13    3 weeks ago
that's pretty far down his comedy list from laughing at the dumb asses that voted for him, the gullible morons that sent/send him money, the traitors that attempted sedition at his direction and failed, the delusional that think he can make a political comeback, and the rwnj political peter puffers that still defend him at every opportunity, by trolling.

What else is on your imaginary list?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.1.17  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.16    3 weeks ago

That just once some could comprehend the tenor of a thread, contribute accordingly, or have the wherewithal to admit their incapability to do so. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.17    3 weeks ago
That just once some could comprehend the tenor of a thread, contribute accordingly, or have the wherewithal to admit it is out of their ability to do so. 

"Physician, heal thyself".

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.1.19  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    3 weeks ago

Anyone remember this Twilight Zone episode from the 1980s...

Twilight Zone 80's - 1x29 - I of Newton Twilight Zone The - Bing video

If not.... keep an eye on Ron Glass's T-Shirt printing through the video!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.1.20  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.18    3 weeks ago

Vote this one up...a perfect example of commentary offered sans any semblance of self-awareness.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.1.21  FLYNAVY1  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.17    3 weeks ago

Your kingdom for a moderate...?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.20    3 weeks ago

Inanity.

Thanks.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.1.23  r.t..b...  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.21    3 weeks ago

Nah, just horsing around. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.1.24  FLYNAVY1  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.23    3 weeks ago

When dealing with horses........ make sure you aren't missing any nails, or all hell can break loose.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.19    3 weeks ago

I only watched a couple of minutes, but will check it out later.  I loved the second T-shirt - Hell is a city much like Newark

HellAndCoffee.jpg

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.1.26  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.25    3 weeks ago

Very cool to find out you are just as twisted as I am...... Far Side indeed!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3  Trout Giggles    3 weeks ago

If I were the president, I think I would do the same. It's a great way to gain insight and maybe help Joe in his decisions.

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    3 weeks ago

I would be sorely tempted to trade my soul to be marooned on an atoll with Doris.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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3.1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Hallux @3.1    3 weeks ago

And she is a baseball fan as well...she would be an invitee to my bucket-list dinner of eight. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.2  seeder  Hallux  replied to  r.t..b... @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

In theory a baseball game can last for an eternity and that seduced me.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

my concept of the only sport in hell. well that and a ∞yd. par 4, bordered with sand pits, off the first tee.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

I don't even play golf but that sounds like the tee box from Hell. At least there's no water hazards.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

The water hazard is behind the tee.

I can still hit it, lol.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

like pissing without getting your shoes wet, it's either your grip or your stance.

 
 
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