AOC among most ineffective lawmakers in Congress, according to study

  

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Via:  1stwarrior  •  one week ago  •  178 comments

AOC among most ineffective lawmakers in Congress, according to study
Among all Democratic lawmakers, AOC was ranked 230th out of 2040 Congressional Democrats in terms of effectiveness.

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A study has found that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democratic member of Congress from New York City and a young face in the party, has not been an effective politician in the legislature, based on a survey from the nonpartisan Center for Effective Lawmaking.

Ocasio- Cortez, popularly known as AOC , introduced a total of 21 “substantive” bills that did not receive substantial backing from other lawmakers, including committee and floor votes, according to the study, a project of Vanderbilt University and the University of Virginia.

“She introduced a lot of bills, but she was not successful at having them receive any sort of action in committee or beyond committee, and if they can’t get through committee, they cannot pass the House,” Alan Wiseman, a Vanderbilt political scientist and the center’s co-director, told the New York Post.

“It’s clear that she was trying to get her legislative agenda moving and engage with the lawmaking process, but she wasn’t as successful as some other members were – even among [other] freshmen – at getting people to pay attention to her legislation,” he said.

AOC was ranked No. 230 out of 240 Congressional Democrats in terms of effectiveness, the study found.

Compared with others in her circle of Congressional allies, collectively known as the “Squad,” AOC was deemed less effective than Ilhan Omar, who sponsored 33 bills, and Rashida Tlaib, who had some of her bills advance to committee, with one becoming a law. Tlaib was ranked No. 92 among the 240 lawmakers.

According to the survey, the most effective lawmakers were Rep. Nita Lowey (D-Westchester, New York), who retired last year and was responsible for 29 major bills introduced in Congress, with seven of them becoming laws, and John Katko (R-Syracuse, New York), with six of his bills becoming laws.


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1stwarrior
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1  seeder  1stwarrior    one week ago

She introduced a lot of bills, but she was not successful at having them receive any sort of action in committee or beyond committee, and if they can’t get through committee, they cannot pass the House,”

Pretty much sez it all, eh?  

230th out of 240??????

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one week ago
She introduced a lot of bills

This line by itself shows that she is doing her job.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    one week ago

She's not doing her job very well it appears.

She's too much of a progressive extremist to get any meaningful legislation passed.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    one week ago
She's not doing her job very well it appears.

Compared to other congressmen, who do not submit any bills, just sitting around collecting their money, she is doing a good job.  

FYI, this goes for both sides of the aisle.  All they can do is submit bills, it takes the rest of the House/Senate to approve or disprove.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    one week ago
She's too much of a progressive extremist to get any meaningful legislation passed.

... and yet Trumpists run around tearing their hair out about her running the show and turning America into a future bastion of Venezuelan vacuity. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Hallux @1.1.3    one week ago

She has become an annoyance and embarrassment to the Democrat party, a loudmouthed vacuous airhead...

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.4    one week ago

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Tessylo
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1.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    one week ago

That's all, obviously, the 'conservative' republicans in Congress do, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than stir up batshit crazy conspiracy theories (Taylor-Greene gqp member) and still claim it wasn't a fair and valid election of President Biden.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    one week ago
This line by itself shows that she is doing her job.

This line alone shows she is ineffective at her job.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    one week ago
Compared to other congressmen, who do not submit any bills, just sitting around collecting their money, she is doing a good job.  

Well, there ARE 10 Democrats who were deemed less effective than she is.

Good job?

LMAO!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.8    one week ago
Well, there ARE 10 Democrats who were deemed less effective than she is.

And how does she compare to the Republicans Texan?  You're leaving them out as usual.  Why don't you post the actual numbers?

I notice that the seeded article references a "study" but never names or links to that "study".  Wouldn't you consider that dishonest journalism?  Seems that they don't want anyone to be able to look at their source.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.9    one week ago
And how does she compare to the Republicans Texan?  You're leaving them out as usual.  Why don't you post the actual numbers?

Why don't you seed an article on THAT topic instead of deflecting and derailing THIS article?

Why can't you simply stick to the topic?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.10    one week ago

Why can't you simply stick to the topic?

I thought the topic was Congressmen doing their jobs.  The article provided no numbers and no context.  I understand this is normal for many right wing news sights, but it is very dishonest when a journalist does it.

How many bills has AOC put forth? 

What is the average number of bill that all Congressmen put forth?

That will give you the necessary information for even a basic determination of how well she is doing her job.  This article gives no numbers and no context.  It is an uninformed hit piece with no data to back it up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.11    one week ago
I thought the topic was Congressmen doing their jobs.

Your mistake then.

How many bills has AOC put forth? 

Look it up.

I provided some links if you care to actually look at post #1.3.8.

Introducing bills may be some sort of accomplishment to you, but I would consider getting bills passed more of an effective gauge of her effectiveness.

Attacking the source is childish and laziness.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.12    one week ago
Attacking the source is childish and laziness.

Pointing out how lazy the author was, is not attacking the site.  Or do you feel that journalist do not need to have any facts in their articles?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.14  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.11    one week ago

Ozz - read the thread - numbers were included - context was given and obviously your questions were answered.

How many bills has she put forth - 21

Average bills PER congressperson - 18.9

You now have more information than you can handle from the Jerusalem Post - a non-righty/lefty source.

You should try reading it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.13    one week ago

Deflection duly noted, sir!

LOL!

Look, I know it must be hard to be told the truth about the Golden Girl, but facts are facts.

If you have ANY evidence that ANYTHING In the article isn't true, simply present it, otherwise it just looks like whining.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.1.16  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    one week ago

She did know what she was doing and tried to get her rent bill, her water bill, her gas bill, her gym bill, her electric bill her grocery bill, her cable bill, her car payment bill, her gasoline bill, her bar bill and her credit card bill introduced

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.17  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.13    one week ago

Interesting - try reading the thread and link(s) and QUIT attacking the author or what country they're from or what color their hair is or whether they wear braces or not.

Stay on topic or stay off the thread.

Only warning.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.18  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.9    one week ago

That would be off topic as the subject is AOC, as you well know.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.19  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.18    one week ago

This is a discussion of a survey.  Any legislator mentioned in the source study is on topic.

 
 
 
MAGA
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1.1.20  MAGA  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    one week ago

Exactly.  She’s too extreme and had she the inclination to compromise and make deals she could have gotten more bills passed.  I believe she’d rather not compromise and simply position herself in a way to drive the rest of her party further left even though little gets done. 

 
 
 
MAGA
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1.1.21  MAGA  replied to  arkpdx @1.1.16    one week ago

Only to get them paid for with OPM, other peoples money.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.19    one week ago

AOC is in fact the subject of the survey. In my personal opinion, to add other legislators into to group for discussion is simply moving the goalposts away from AOC, therefore it should not be.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.23  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.22    one week ago

If an article cites and is based on a survey, all in the survey is fair play.  Rankings aren't done in vacuums.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one week ago

If you're bitching about her 1st, I'd say she was quite effective.....

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2    one week ago
I'd say she was quite effective.....

Other than getting some temporary negative attention, what has she accomplished?

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.1    one week ago

That negative attention came from the Trump side and apparently the beat goes on.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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1.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.1    one week ago

The fact that you feel the need to discount her influence only confirms the importance she has now and will continue to wield.

For a 1st term Congresswoman to gain such consternation from those she exposes speaks to her passion, her platform, and her vision.

Do I agree with all of her positions? No, but she is just what these times require. An unapologetic voice that is consistent, well-stated, and intentionally thought provoking.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.4  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2    one week ago

Oh no - you're gonna go there??

Ain't bitch'n - she's totally ineffective yet so highly praised for her big mouth.  She's gotta lot of vision - just not the vision of the Dem party - obviously.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.2.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.4    one week ago

She's perfect 1st......  

She's kind of like the simple old Chinese finger puzzles that will keep the right occupied with while the real issues that have been facing the country are tackled.

OIP.lzGPyCDyTzsa0i1N8xT1VAHaFj?w=243&h=182&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.2.6  arkpdx  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2    one week ago

Of that is how politicians are judged by you, Trump was the most effective and successful politician in history. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.2.7  FLYNAVY1  replied to  arkpdx @1.2.6    one week ago

Trump was the most effective and successful politician in history

Then what the hell is he doing in Mar-a-Lago?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.8  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @1.2.6    one week ago

Complete nonsense. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.9  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.7    one week ago

Playing golf on his personal golf course :-)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.2.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.7    one week ago

Getting shut down as he made it a petrie dish for the CV just like he did the WH.

 
 
 
MAGA
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1.2.11  MAGA  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.1    one week ago

She cost her district 25,000 jobs averaging $150k a year.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.12  Split Personality  replied to  MAGA @1.2.11    one week ago

Two problems with that comment, do you have a link to that claim, especially the $150,000 per year claim?

The national average for Amazon employees was $28K in 2018, so $150K x 25,000 even in NYC seems a stretch.

AOC thinks she saved New York State and NYC a minimum of $3Billion in tax abatement to Amazon.

And Amazon still moved 1,500 new jobs to long Island City and is expanding the local tech hub there by leasing

335,000sq ft in more office space and plans to keep hiring.

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Amazon.com is taking 335,000 square feet on the city’s west side in the new Hudson Yards neighborhood. According to the newspaper, Amazon said it did not receive any tax credits or other inducements. 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.3  SteevieGee  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one week ago

Greene has sponsored 15 bills.  You want to guess how many have passed?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @1.3    one week ago
Greene has sponsored 15 bills.  You want to guess how many have passed?

Oh, is the topic other Congresspeople, or is this just yet another attempt to deflect?

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.3.2  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.1    one week ago
"Oh, is the topic other Congresspeople, or is this just yet another attempt to deflect?"

Are not other people mentioned in the article? Are not the folks who made the study not mentioned?

Meh!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @1.3.2    one week ago
re not other people mentioned in the article? Are not the folks who made the study not mentioned? Meh!

So because something or someone else is mentioned, you believe that makes them the topic?

Whoo Boy!

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.3.4  SteevieGee  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.1    one week ago

I'm just trying to figure out how AOC's 10 passed bills compares to the amount of work accomplished by other representatives. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.3.5  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.3    one week ago

It makes both the study and everyone involved in it the topic no matter how much you want to practice the right-wingnut version of cancel culture.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @1.3.5    one week ago

deflect, deny, par for the course.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @1.3.4    one week ago
I'm just trying to figure out how AOC's 10 passed bills compares to the amount of work accomplished by other representatives. 

Please provide a list of those ten bills passed into law.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.3.9  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Hallux @1.3.2    one week ago

You can mention the folks listed in the article, but don't try the "World view" in your search for answers.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.3.10  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  SteevieGee @1.3.4    one week ago

AOC has passed NO bills out of the 21 she's introduced.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.3.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.8    one week ago
Bills Sponsored by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) | Represent | ProPublica Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Let's compare her numbers:

MISSED VOTES:

  • AOC = 2.1%
  • Worst House member = Kevin Brady, R - TEXAS,  = 41.2%

COSPONSORED BILLS:

  • AOC = 99
  • Worst House member = Nancy Pelosi, D - CALIF. = 9

SPONSORED BILLS:

  • AOC = 2
  • 30 House members = 0
    • 22 = Republicans
    • 8 = Democrats
 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.12  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.11    one week ago

Hmmmm....lots more deflecting, I see.

How does one single thing you posted changes her ratings?

How does one thing you posted equates to her getting a bill actually passed into law?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.3.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.12    one week ago
Hmmmm....lots more deflecting, I see.

So, in YOUR mind, providing factual numbers, about AOC's actions in Congress, from YOUR link is deflecting?  That would make your post a deflection as well then.

How does one single thing you posted changes her ratings?

It provided her numbers with context.  Her numbers not only show has not being the most ineffective member, but shows that Republican members, on average, are not doing their jobs as well.

How does one thing you posted equates to her getting a bill actually passed into law?

Has a bill into law is not something 1 single member can do, it does not show her as failing to do her job.  Her job is to vote and submit bills.  It is Congress's job to vote and either pass or not pass a bill. 

Not submitting any bills, or failing to even show up to vote, show how well members are doing their jobs.

Passing bills is outside their control.

House Democrats have passed nearly 400 bills. Trump and Republicans are ignoring them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.13    one week ago

Any blooming idiot elected to Congress can propose legislation. It isn't really such a big deal.

Getting it enacted takes a little more effort and collaboration.

Which the article illustrates is definitely not her strong suit.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.3.15  SteevieGee  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.7    one week ago
Please provide a list of those ten bills passed into law.

I got the number from the article.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.16  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @1.3.15    one week ago
I got the number from the article.

Please quote the article then.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.3.17  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.14    one week ago
Any blooming idiot elected to Congress can propose legislation.

And yet so many rarely do.  Especially on the Republican side.

Getting it enacted takes a little more effort and collaboration.

It requires a vote, which McConnell generally blocks from any Democratic sponsor.

Which the article illustrates is definitely not her strong suit.

It shows no such thing.  It makes a claim about her performance and provides no facts to support that claim.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.18  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.17    one week ago
And yet so many rarely do.  Especially on the Republican side.

But that isn't the topic here.

It requires a vote, which McConnell generally blocks from any Democratic sponsor.

You should read links more often so you would know how many of her bills ever even make it out of committee. That way you would know that McConnell isn't responsible for her shitty record no matter how hard you spin.

It shows no such thing.  It makes a claim about her performance and provides no facts to support that claim.

That shows a serious lack of comprehension on your part then. 

Denial isn't a good look.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.3.19  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.11    one week ago

So, you can't answer the question about the 10 bills you claim she got passed??

Quit deflecting.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.3.20  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.17    one week ago

Ozz - either discuss the topic or find another thread to chase.

We're NOT discussing Republican side.  We're NOT discussing McConnell.

has not been an effective politician in the legislature, based on a survey from the nonpartisan Center for Effective Lawmaking.

That is NOT discussing her "performance" - just her effectiveness in Congress - not the same thing.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.3.21  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.19    one week ago
So, you can't answer the question about the 10 bills you claim she got passed??

Nobody asked me that question.  I don't give a shit about the answer anyway.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.3.22  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.20    one week ago
Ozz - either discuss the topic or find another thread to chase.

I am on topic, you just don't like my facts.

Your article is claiming that she is doing a bad job because none of her bills have passed into law.  I pointed out that any Democratic bill that got to the Senate was blocked by McConnell.  ON TOPIC!!!

Your article is claiming that she is doing a bad job because none of her bills have passed into law, I simply pointed out that compared to many many Republican Congressmen, she is doing a better job than they are.  AND I provided numbers and facts to show that.

So, unless you are claiming that AOC's job performance is off-topic.  You can't call me off-topic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.23  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.22    one week ago

Please do tell us all which bills she has authored have made it out of committee, passed the House, and went to the Senate.

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1stwarrior
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1.3.24  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.22    one week ago

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Texan1211
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1.3.25  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.17    one week ago

Find Legislators – Center for Effective Lawmaking (thelawmakers.org)

Here above is another source, since some here choose to gripe about the source.

AOC passed NOTHING.

AOC and Pelosi rank among least effective Democrats in Congress (msn.com)

In a study of   legislative effectiveness,   Ocasio-Cortez was ranked No. 230 out of the 240 Democrats who served in the 116th Congress. Pelosi was ranked 237th in the measure. Rep. Jim Cooper, a Tennessee Democrat, was the least effective legislator in his party. The New York Democrat introduced 21 “substantive” bills in her first two years in office. None of the legislation received committee action, floor votes, or became law, according to researchers from the   Center for Effective Lawmaking .
 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.3.26  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.10    one week ago

She does not pass the bills, she only introduces them.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.27  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.19    one week ago
So, you can't answer the question about the 10 bills you claim she got passed??

Ozzie never said that.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.28  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.25    one week ago

It is the only source for the report that the JP seed is based on but fails to give credit to,

Kudos to Fox for listing the source.

It's just like any other poll.

Ripe data for more lies, damnable lies and statistics.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.29  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.28    one week ago

Be nice for you to point out any lies in the article or in my posts.

I mean, if you are going to claim it is lies.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.30  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.1    one week ago
Oh, is the topic other Congresspeople, or is this just yet another attempt to deflect?

The SEED compares AOC to other Congressmen Tex. The study compares ALL Congressmen. Just stop. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.31  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.3.30    one week ago
The SEED compares AOC to other Congressmen Tex

yes, it is mentioned.

The study compares ALL Congressmen.

yes, already agreed upon.

Sigh.

Just stop. 

Sorry, not willing to be a party to your off topic shenanigans.

I really wish people could just grasp the topic.

Be nice for a change!

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.32  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.31    one week ago
Sorry, not willing to be a party to your off topic shenanigans.

Not ONE of my comments has been removed for being off topic NOR have I been admonished for trying to interject irrelevant 'conversations'. 

I really wish people could just grasp the topic.

Try harder, you may manage it eventually. 

Be nice for a change!

To those worthy, always. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.33  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.3.32    one week ago
Not ONE of my comments has been removed for being off topic NOR have I been admonished for trying to interject irrelevant 'conversations'. 

And if you read more carefully, you will find I made no claims about any of your posts being deleted or you being admonished.

None of which really have to do with your misunderstanding of the topic.

This notion that because something is mentioned in an article means it is on topic is ridiculous anyways, that is NOT how "topics" are determined by most people.

 
 
 
MAGA
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1.3.34  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.12    one week ago

Because they want to compare her as a member of the majority party with minority party members who have virtually no chance to get anything psssed.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.35  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.33    one week ago
And if you read more carefully, you will find I made no claims about any of your posts being deleted or you being admonished.

Yet you continue to insist that my comments are off topic. 

None of which really have to do with your misunderstanding of the topic.

AGAIN, since none of my comments have been removed as off topic, it's pretty fucking clear that I DO understand the topic. 

This notion that because something is mentioned in an article means it is on topic is ridiculous anyways, that is NOT how "topics" are determined by most people.

This notion that your unfounded opinion that my comments are off topic is ridiculous since it's irrelevant.  YOU are not the author of the seed. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.36  Dulay  replied to  MAGA @1.3.34    one week ago
Because they want to compare her as a member of the majority party with minority party members who have virtually no chance to get anything psssed

Utter bullshit Xx. GOP Congressmen sponsored 232 bills that passed in the 116th Session of the House, 65 became law. Hell, even YOUR Representative sponsored a bill that passed through the House. Of course, McConnell never brought it to the Senate floor. You must be proud. 

Facts do NOT support your ideology Xx. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.37  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.3.35    one week ago

look, I never claimed to be the author, so WTF are you saying that shit for??????????????????????

I can declare anything I want to be off topic and there simply isn;t one damn thing you can do about it other than argue, cry, whine, complain, or ignore.

I have tried to explain it to you to no avail.

I am sorry you are unable to determine the topic of the article.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.38  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.37    one week ago
look, I never claimed to be the author, so WTF are you saying that shit for??????????????????????

Yet you pretend, ad nauseum, that your opinion about what ONLY the author can decide is relevant. 

I can declare anything I want to be off topic and there simply isn;t one damn thing you can do about it other than argue, cry, whine, complain, or ignore.

ONLY the author can curb your persistent whining about my comments as off topic. One has to wonder why he continues to let you get away with critiquing his moderation of his seed. 

I would have thought that after the first couple of times you whined and the seeder ignored your 'suggestions', you'd have gotten the hint. 

I have tried to explain it to you to no avail.

That is a startling recognition of ineptitude on your part.  

I am sorry you are unable to determine the topic of the article.

It's unfortunate that the seeder continues to allow you to try to derail his seed with your demands for his intervention on perfectly appropriate comments. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
1.3.39  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.3.38    one week ago
Yet you pretend, ad nauseum, that your opinion about what ONLY the author can decide is relevant. 

You are completely free to believe whatever it is you seem to believe. Doesn't have anything to do with me.

And whether you are able to recognize the topic is no longer a concern of mine, since it is painfully obvious to me that you don't.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.40  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.39    one week ago

Rinse and repeat...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.41  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.3.40    one week ago

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r.t..b...
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1.3.42  r.t..b...  replied to  Dulay @1.3.40    one week ago

Exactly...

Just one post that is not punctuated with the incessant need for validation...no ‘I, me, mine, our, you or they’ interjections that expose the inadequacy of any argument.

And when that fails, expect the emoji...the perfect ending to a perfectly comical effort to be in any way relevant.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.43  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @1.3.42    one week ago

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Tessylo
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1.3.44  Tessylo  replied to  r.t..b... @1.3.42    one week ago

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.4  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one week ago
Pretty much sez it all, eh?  

If it does, what does it say about the 72 GOP Congress critters that are ranked LOWER than AOC? 

BTW, that's over a third of the GOP Representatives.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
1.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.4    one week ago
If it does, what does it say about the 72 GOP Congress critters that are ranked LOWER than AOC? 

Gee, maybe you should seed an article about THAT topic instead of derailing here.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
1.4.2  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.1    one week ago

Gee maybe you should let the seeder decide WTF is relevant and on topic in his seed Tex. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.3  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.4.2    one week ago

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Dulay
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1.4.4  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.3    one week ago
All it took was a firm understanding of the article, sans all the hype, deflection, and cheerleading coming from the left.

The article cites the source of the study Tex. As someone that likes to garner facts for myself rather through the lens of an author's interpretation, I took the time to look up the source, find the study and get an 'firm understanding' of the study that is the topic of the article. 

The data that I shared from the study isn't hype, deflection or cheerleading, it's right there for anyone to read for themselves. 

Well then, your unsolicited opinion of MY posts is unwanted and unnecessary.

You replied to me, I will reply to you in whatever way I see fit. 

I figure if the seeder has a problem with my comments, he will let me know.

Are you the seeder?

No/

Well then, your unsolicited opinion of MY posts is unwanted and unnecessary.

DITTO. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.6  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.4.4    one week ago

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1stwarrior
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1.4.7  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @1.4    one week ago

Could be because the topic is discussing DEMOCRATS - not GOP.

BTW - 219 is the major holder in the House, and the Repubs have 211 with 6 vacant seats.  

Yup - 34% is actually "over a third".  Wow.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
1.4.8  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @1.4    one week ago

Dulay - don't know where your math comes from, but if AOC is # 230 OUT OF 240, please explain how 72 folks are lower than she if she is 10 folks from the bottom of the list and if the list is ALL DEMOCRATS??

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.9  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @1.4.8    one week ago

Math is hard.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.4.10  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @1.4.4    one week ago

Interesting - can't find any links to any study provided by U of VA or Vanderbilt for AOC.

Really would be glad if you actually shared that info with us.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.4.11  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @1.4.10    one week ago

I have, several times, the link is buried in the report

and Hallux has posted it once,

I guess that's why people with a pre-existing opinion about AOC are ignoring the data.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
1.4.12  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @1.4.10    one week ago
Interesting - can't find any links to any study provided by U of VA or Vanderbilt for AOC. Really would be glad if you actually shared that info with us.

Gee 1st, if there is no study, your entire seed lacks credibility.

Shouldn't YOU be the one supplying a link to the study that your seed hangs it's hat on? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
1.4.13  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.9    one week ago

Only for those that are afraid of ALL the data. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
1.4.14  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.4.13    one week ago

Just stop. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
1.4.15  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @1.4.7    one week ago
BTW - 219 is the major holder in the House, and the Repubs have 211 with 6 vacant seats.  

Geez o Pete 1st. Your seed is about the 116th Congress. 

How the fuck could AOC 230th out of 240 if there were only 219 Democrats 1st? 

Sheesh, try to keep up. 

Or maybe Tex was right when he said that math is hard...for you...

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.4.16  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.6    one week ago

Don't care. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.17  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.4.16    one week ago

You cared enough to bother to reply!

LOL!

 
 
 
evilgenius
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2  evilgenius    one week ago
A study has found that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democratic member of Congress from New York City and a young face in the party, has not been an effective politician in the legislature, based on a survey from the nonpartisan Center for Effective Lawmaking.

But...but...but... she's so frightening to Trumphumpers! They jabber in fear and write 10 articles ever time she farts.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  evilgenius @2    one week ago

I like her as a spokeswoman for Democrats.

Gift that will continue to give to Republicans.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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2.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    one week ago
I like her as a spokeswoman for Democrats.

I'm sure it's similar for partisan Democrats to hold Matt Gaetz up as the model of Republican ethics. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.1    one week ago

Perhaps. But then again, Democrats and liberal progressives do seem to get all worked up over anything a Republican does.

meh.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.1    one week ago

What republican ethics, or standards, or values, or morals, or empathy, or common decency or . . . . . 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1stwarrior
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2.2.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    one week ago

Don't throw any side conversations into this please.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.1    one week ago

ok

 
 
 
Kathleen
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3  Kathleen    one week ago

The problem with her is not many people take her seriously. So I don’t feel that it’s a big deal. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Kathleen @3    one week ago

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Texan1211
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3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @3    one week ago

I think a lot of Republicans take her seriously and hope that she will stay in Congress foe years to come. They can tie Democrats to her lunacy.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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3.2.1  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2    one week ago

I think I worded that strangely. Lol

I think she is a nut. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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4  Kavika     one week ago

When AOC is compared to Jim Jordan she is certainly much better. Jordan rates 202nd out of 204 Republicans.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @4    one week ago

Good to know, and would be right on topic if the article was about the ratings of someone other than AOC.

Why the deflection?

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    one week ago

Not a deflection at all, just a comparison of incompetent members of congress and Jordan is more incompetent. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    one week ago

Why the deflection by choosing this article over others that had far more in depth reporting?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @4.1.2    one week ago

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Texan1211
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4.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @4.1.1    one week ago

Does that make AOC's sterling record better or worse in any way?

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.4    one week ago

Compared to Jordan she is better or it could be said less incompetent.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @4.1.5    one week ago

So it does nothing to bolster her ratings or reputation by citing OTHER members' ratings.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.1.7  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Hallux @4.1.2    one week ago

Could be because no other article/thread/seed has been posted - ya think?

So, yeah - deflection.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
4.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Kavika @4    one week ago

Didn't see that in my thread/seed.  Don't think Jordan is a Freshman either as he was elected in 2007, 17 years ago.  Apples and Oranges.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Kavika   replied to  1stwarrior @4.2    one week ago

If you would have taken the time to check my link you'd have seen Jordan is ranked as part of the 116th congress the same years as AOC. 

So it is Apples to Apples. 

Try again.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.2  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2    one week ago
he was elected in 2007, 17 years ago

...uh... try again. jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
4.2.3  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Kavika @4.2.1    one week ago

Jordan is a Repub - AOC is a Dem - apples and oranges since only Dems were considered in the study - which, btw, is the topic of the thread.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
4.2.4  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  devangelical @4.2.2    one week ago

2007 + 3 + 10 + 1 = 14 - 4 is below the 7 - bad keyboard.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.5  Kavika   replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.3    one week ago

I'm well aware of the parties that each belongs to. Of course, only dems were in the study that was psosted and I supplied another study that showed that within the republican party Jordan had a ranking that was worse than AOC. 

I can also supply another study that shows all of the dems and the republicans. 

I'm aware that you dislike AOC and that is the purpose of the article. My comments and links simply show that Jordan is less effective than AOC based on the two studies within their party.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
4.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @4.2.5    one week ago

It's all based on the CEL report here.

What they choose to highlight and or ignore displays the bias.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
4.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.3    one week ago

Totally effing false.

The report graded all Congressional Reps and Senators of both parties and independents.

One more time

 
 
 
Tacos!
PhD Expert
5  Tacos!    one week ago

It seems like a bit of an arbitrary assessment. What genuinely makes a member of Congress effective? Surely there is more to it than just writing bills that get passed. I think there are a lot of ways to be effective.

Bills get passed (or not) based on all sorts of factors. Sometimes an idea in a bill ends up in someone else’s bill. There are in-House political reasons why a particular member’s name might appear on a bill instead of someone else.

A lot of bills that do get passed are sort of junk legislation - renaming a post office, for example.

And honestly, I wouldn’t expect someone who has only been in Congress a few years to have done all that much. Meanwhile, there are people who have been in Congress for decades and you can count on one hand the number of bills they have gotten passed.

What AOC has done, without question, is get people talking about things they wouldn’t otherwise talk about. Sometimes that means we’re laughing at absurd, child-like ideas, but every now and then something else might slip in there that is worth considering.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @5    one week ago
I think there are a lot of ways to be effective.

As an example, Scalise and Cheney both have lower ratings than AOC but both are in leadership and obviously effective in ways other than legislative. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
5.1.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @5.1    one week ago

And neither of them are DEMOCRATS - that, I think, is the issue based on the story.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.1    one week ago

So, you admit it is a hit piece, thanks.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
5.1.3  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.1    one week ago
And neither of them are DEMOCRATS - that, I think, is the issue based on the story.

The fucking seed cites the study 1st. The study INCLUDES and RATES both Democrats AND Republicans within their caucuses AND give each a OVERALL effectivity rating. 

Is your 'story' bias in that it reports ONLY on AOC and ignores the ineffective Republicans? Why yes, YES it is. 

You can't open a can of worms and pick only the worms YOU want to talk about. That's NOT how this shit works. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.1    one week ago

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Split Personality
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6  Split Personality    one week ago

A; where is the link to the data source?

B; very disappointed in the JP's editing, there are not 2040 Democrats in Congress. 

Among all Democratic lawmakers, AOC was ranked 230th out of 2040 Congressional Democrats in terms of effectiveness.

C; who is included in the 230?   There are 219 in the House ( 5 vacancies ) and 48 in the Senate.  That's poor math by any measure.

Kind of kills the credibility of the "non partisan" hit piece.

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @6    one week ago

What is funny is I never hear about the woman except from right wing hit pieces that just seem to have a hard on for her.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.2  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @6    one week ago

kudos for FOX news to pick up the story and run with it, after all AOC is their favorite Democrat, lol.

How ever the Fox link is also only a breakdown of the top 10 to 15 D's & R's by various standards.

For the actual cores for the 116th Congress, you have to dig into the CEL website.

Here are the bottom 41 legislators. (There were a lot of ties in the R's list.)

800 800

In fact, using AOC's score of .209 places her ahead of 9 Dem's (including Nancy Pelosi) and

higher than 72 Republicans including Jordan, Gaetz, Brooks, Nunes, Womack, Scalise, and liz Cheney.

Apples to Apples.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
6.2.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @6.2    one week ago

SP - talking 'bout FRESHMAN - not folks who are starting to wither on the vine for being there too long.

Compared with others in her circle of Congressional allies, collectively known as the “Squad,” was deemed less effective than Ilhan Omar, who sponsored 33 bills, and Rashida Tlaib, who had some of her bills advance to committee, with one becoming a law. Tlaib was ranked No. 92 among the 240 lawmakers.

Apples to oranges - still.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
6.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @6.2.1    one week ago
Apples to oranges - still.

It's a nonsense comparison since it ignores 86 other freshman House Reps and 9 "freshman" Senators.

It's a thinly veiled hit piece on a legislator not considered to be a friend of Israel

because she openly condoned cutting aid to Israel,

opposed annexing the West Bank

and is critical of any occupation

and the blockade of Gaza.

When Fox pushes the story in a much fairer light,

you have to agree this is just a cheap shot, hit piece, regardless of the JP's reputation.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
6.2.3  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @6.2.1    one week ago
SP - talking 'bout FRESHMAN - not folks who are starting to wither on the vine for being there too long.

So WHY are you comparing AOC to ALL of the Democrats and not just the Freshman 1st? 

Oh and BTFW, your seed doesn't say anything about freshman lawmakers. 

That's strike 2. 

Can you explain why you have such a huge issue with comparing AOC's efficacy to ALL Congressmen? Does AOC being more effective than over a third of GOP Congressman burst your bubble? 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
6.3  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @6    one week ago

AOC was ranked No. 230 out of 240 Congressional Democrats

Don't see 2040 in any paragraph other than the comment sentence.

You're gonna take issue with that?????

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
6.3.1  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @6.3    one week ago

Sure, it's sloppy editing by someone at JP,

is it not?

Can you imagine turning in a report to your CO or XO with that kind of

"in your face" error?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    one week ago

I find this seed rather silly. 

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is an advocate.  She is a national leader for the young people of her political party and her ideology, she is not a nuts and bolts bureaucratic politician. 

She is a national political figure of immense importance. How many congresspeople can say that ? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
7.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7    one week ago
I find this seed rather silly. 

Of course you do. What else is new?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is an advocate.  She is a national leader for the young people of her political party and her ideology, she is not a nuts and bolts bureaucratic politician.

So Democrats want to be represented by advocates, not someone who can do something?

She is a national political figure of immense importance. How many congresspeople can say that ? 

She is a polarizing political figure. Even her own party is divided on her and her tactics.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    one week ago
She is a polarizing political figure. Even her own party is divided on her and her tactics.

Ditto for Louie Gohmert and Devin Nunes, so what?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    one week ago
So Democrats want to be represented by advocates, not someone who can do something?

Many do. She has won her district quite easily. 

She is a polarizing political figure. Even her own party is divided on her and her tactics.

So is Bernie Sanders. Ocasio- Cortez wants to make life better for working class and poor Americans. It is a very noble cause. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
7.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.1    one week ago

Perhaps one of the fine folks here who want to talk about everything EXCEPT AOC should open an article about all the other things they want to yak about.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
7.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    one week ago
Many do. She has won her district quite easily. 

A glass of water with a "D" behind it can win that district.

"Noble causes" are all well and good, but without accomplishments, a cause is not enough to effect real change.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
7.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.3    one week ago

Not polarizing to me and since I rarely watch Fox cable, never see her on the news, just here.

AOC is ranked 453 out of 535

and is in some mighty fine company ( Jordan, Cheney, Nunes & Pelosi )

That suggests that there are other criteria to being successful in Congress

than how many bills one can author.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
7.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.5    one week ago
That suggests that there are other criteria to being successful in Congress than how many bills one can author.

Yes, the articles talks about success other than authoring bills.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
7.1.7  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    one week ago

16,000 in her district - shouldn't be hard to win them over.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
7.1.8  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.5    one week ago

I agree with you on that and obviously there are other requirements - but, MSM doesn't look for good on anyone it seems.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @7.1.8    one week ago

I would never consider the Jerusalem Post to be  MSM,

IMHO

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.10  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @7.1.7    one week ago
16,000 in her district - shouldn't be hard to win them over.

16,000 WHAT 1st? The population of NY's 14th district is 696,664. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
7.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @7.1.7    one week ago
16,000 in her district - shouldn't be hard to win them over.

??????????????????

512

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.9    one week ago

"I would never consider the Jerusalem Post to be  MSM,

IMHO"

LOL!

See how far some have to go for their hit pieces?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
7.2  r.t..b...  replied to  JohnRussell @7    one week ago

‘Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.” ~Marie Curie

When the old frog detractors quit fearing her and try to understand that the power she has comes from her strength of conviction and the ability to speak to a new generation, that fear may not be lessened, but will most certainly not be spuriously dismissed. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Participates
8  Colour Me Free    one week ago

Hey Razing .. long time no see ... hope you and the family are well  : )

Is fear the correct term when speaking of Ocasio-Cortez?   I applaud her for stepping outside of the digital platform and taking real world action .. yet said action is unnerving in respect to aspects of her Green New Deal proposal, her support of socialism, as well as [seemingly] anti-Israel sentiments ... do I fear her if I do not agree with her?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1  Split Personality  replied to  Colour Me Free @8    one week ago
as well as [seemingly] anti-Israel sentiments .

hence the only reason for the tone of the Jerusalem Post and lack of the link to the report on ALL

members of the 116th Congress

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Participates
8.1.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Split Personality @8.1    one week ago

I did not check the source of the seed .. I stand by my opinion that she seems to have anti-Israel sentiments 

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Expert
8.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.1    one week ago
she seems to have anti-Israel sentiments

Meh ... last time I talked to you you seemed to harbor anti-49 + territories sentiments.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Participates
8.1.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @8.1.2    one week ago

I talked to you a couple few hours ago .. I was anti Montana buying Canadian lumber!

Go back to sleep.. : )

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Expert
8.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.3    one week ago

Stop sawing my log. ; - )

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.1    one week ago

Well I am sure the Israeli's consider her a foe, due to her vocal stand on occupation, Gaza, the West bank

and desire to curb financial and military aide to Israel.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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8.1.6  Colour Me Free  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.5    one week ago

Quite speculative .. but nonetheless most likely accurate that Israel does not like her mouth - this article is simply being mean to her ...  there was a time when wars were fought to obtain land - there are a catch 22 or 2 involved here.  Above my pay grade .. however, my understanding is remove Hamas from the 'power' equation and things could be different ...?

 
 
 
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8.1.7  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @8.1.4    one week ago

Haha .. is that a metaphoric log?

 
 
 
Hallux
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8.1.8  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.7    one week ago

Now it's metaphonic ...

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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8.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Colour Me Free @8    one week ago

Hello, friend. I can’t imagine anything that would cause you fear!

Perhaps painting with a broad brush, but isn’t ‘fear’, at its core, a reaction to the unknown?

Particularly in today’s environment of questionable reporting, the rush to judgement, and hyper partisanship. When a political, sports, or celebrity figure has the courage of their convictions to rock the boat, and rather than take the time to educate oneself on the necessary issues, far too many are far too quick to denigrate. In many ways it is a fearful act, irrational in the invective and forgetting it is perfectly normal, in fact healthy, to agree to disagree.

As always, for what it’s worth. 

Peace to you & the boyz, Colour...as always. 

 
 
 
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8.2.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  r.t..b... @8.2    one week ago
When a political, sports, or celebrity figure has the courage of their convictions to rock the boat, and rather than take the time to educate oneself on the necessary issues, far too many are far too quick to denigrate.

Denigration is the nature of the political, sports and celebrity machine .. it is a matter of Us v Them .. a 2 way street .. some situations are more amplified then others ..  I do not agree with the partisanship, it is destroying this nation, and only becoming more extreme...  

Awww my friend if only more could agree to disagree .. sadly, that is not how things play out .. if 'I' lean right of 'you' in my beliefs politically/socially ... I am a fascist, a racist, a Trumpist .. etc etc etc the list goes on [you and I being general terms] .. thus defensive posturing, miscommunication and the whole I am right and you are wrong mentality springs into action...

Peace to you!

 
 
 
Hallux
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8.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.2.1    one week ago
I do not agree with the partisanship, it is destroying this nation, and only becoming more extreme...

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/03/trump-friend-family-relationships/618457/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-weekly-newsletter&utm_content=20210404&silverid=%25%25RECIPIENT_ID%25%25&utm_term=This%20Week%20on%20TheAtlantic.com

 
 
 
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8.2.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @8.2.2    one week ago

The Friend and Family Relationships the Trump Era Broke - The Atlantic

This the same article?  Is this not once again an example of 'I am right and you are wrong?'  The nation cannot heal because of the Trump supporters?  Since there is degrees of racism .. i.e.. regular racist v extreme racists .. should there not be degrees of Trumpism .. i.e.... the regular individual that voted for Trump and extreme ones that believed his BS?

 
 
 
Hallux
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8.2.4  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.2.3    one week ago

Same article ... same conclusions.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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8.2.5  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @8.2.4    one week ago

I was not sure .. I do not know why you link did not publish .. so went looking...

I am all for Biden attempts to unite the nation .. but the nation has to want to be unified - it is us freaks that still believe there is middle ground to be had and unification can be accomplished .. comment sites are a prime example of this divide .. there are some that have choice words for the dreaded 'both sider'.. once known as an independent  .. perhaps even once considered a moderate 

 
 
 
Hallux
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8.2.6  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.2.5    one week ago

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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9  sandy-2021492    one week ago

Thread @1.4 locked for slapfighting.  Continue in a respectful manner, please.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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9.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @9    one week ago

Thread is closed - getting way to personal with some animosity.

Sorry 'bout that.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.1  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @9.1    one week ago

Just that thread 1st? 

 
 
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