Fascism: Republicans' anti-democracy hoax now supported by a majority of Republican voters

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  4 days ago  •  39 comments

By:   HunterDK (Daily Kos)

Fascism: Republicans' anti-democracy hoax now supported by a majority of Republican voters
A new CNN poll shows the nation remains politically divided, and by "politically divided" that primarily means Republicans continue to lurch farther and farther into hoax-promoting, anti-democratic extremism. Two specific poll questions are worth...

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Fascism: Republicans' anti-democracy hoax now supported by a majority of Republican voters


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The hoax-promoting Sen. Josh Hawley will go down in history as a traitor to his country. He won't be alone.

A new CNN poll shows the nation remains politically divided , and by "politically divided" that primarily means Republicans continue to lurch farther and farther into hoax-promoting, anti-democratic extremism.

Two specific poll questions   are worth calling out. The first is that about 6 in 10 self-identified Republicans claim to believe that "supporting Donald Trump" is either a "very" or "somewhat" important part of "what being a Republican means to you." This is a bit weird, because Donald Trump is ... not in office. He has no current position. He is retired, bumbling around at Mar-a-Lago regaling wedding guests with stories of how the world has wronged him, interspersing rounds of Florida golf with promotional appearances at cult meet-ups and pay-per-view boxing matches. Donald Trump does not currently need any "support," but the question has a nearly identical response breakdown to a much more interesting poll question that this question probably acts as a one-to-one proxy for.



That question? Whether "believing that Donald Trump won the 2020 election" is a "very" or "somewhat" important part of Republicanism.   Those   responses are nearly identical, with 6 in 10 Republicans agreeing that it is.

The notion that Donald Trump "won" the 2020 election is a hoax. It's specifically a fascist-promoted hoax intended to discredit democratic elections themselves, because a good chunk of the party (6 in 10, apparently) would rather burn democracy itself down than tolerate a world in which a self-promotional tax-dodging rapist incompetent gets booted after only one term in office. There is not even a scrap of evidence to support that Trump "won" an election in which he was quite soundly defeated. Not a single shred of evidence was found to back the Trump camp's propagandistic claims of "voter fraud." There is no state electoral count that could even be plausibly contested. There's nothing. The notion that Trump "won" is   entirely   the fabrication of a set of Trump allies who crafted it either to coddle the bruised ego of a delusional decompensating narcissist, as means for overthrowing the United States government, or both.

It is fascist propaganda. It is the equivalent of proclaiming that vaccinations turn you magnetic or that a political opponent is in fact a lizard person. It's not just false, but a toxic attempt to do harm for the sake of doing harm.

That 6 in 10 Republican voters would tell a pollster that maintaining belief in an anti-democratic hoax is evidence of fascist crackpottery now wedged firmly into the heart of Republicanism in general. These people don't believe a hoax out of nowhere. They believe it because dozens of traitorous Republican officials attached themselves to the claims, promoted the claims, and declared that any Republican officials who   did not   support the hoax should be drummed out of the party.

It's working. Those Republican fascists are getting what they want; a manufactured hoax based on nothing but party propaganda has now got a majority of the party's voters believing that there was a secret plot against them so nefarious that it makes the last of America's presidential elections illegitimate. To lawmakers perhaps the hoax was mostly a useful excuse for passing yet another round of Jim Crow-themed laws making it harder for citizens to cast their votes, but a majority of those who support them appear to genuinely believe that the last election was invalid based on no evidence other than a clownish Dear Leader and his fascist allies saying so.




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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 days ago

60% of Republicans think that believing that the election was stolen from Trump is an important part of being a Republican. 

How are we supposed to compromise with this garbage? 

 
 
 
TOM PA
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1.1  TOM PA  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 days ago

Simple!  Do what other countries opposing parties do, tell them not to vote.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 days ago

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Greg Jones
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1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 days ago

So...don't even try. Quit obsessing about Trump and stay tuned for midterms,

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    4 days ago

x. It's specifically a fascist-promoted hoax intended to discredit democratic elections themselves, be

And that differs from the Democrats party line since 2000, how exactly? 

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    4 days ago

In 2000 Gore won the popular vote and the EC was down to one contested state but in the end both Gore and Democrats accepted that Bush had won.

In 2020 Biden whooped Trump's fat behind badly in both the popular vote and the electoral college and yet Trump and the gop refuse to accept the results.

That is the difference. Thank you for asking though.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @2.1    4 days ago
hat is the difference. Thank you for asking though.

Lol.. What an Orwellian version of history.  I hope you are just being partisan and aren't actually that uninformed about your party's history. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    4 days ago

A couple days ago Trump told an audience of police and firefighters that the election had been "rigged" against him.  That is more than ten months after the election. 

Do you have examples of Al Gore doing the same throughout 2001? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    4 days ago

He's already claiming, like Elder, that the recall in California, is rigged because it's projected that Newsome will win.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    4 days ago

you have examples of Al Gore doing the same throughout 2001? 

I'm not going to look up what Al Gore said. But was he the only Democrat in the country?  Are you trying to argue that Democrats like Hillary Clinton, for instance, did not publicly discredit the 2000 election? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.4    4 days ago

No Democrat has ever carried on with the length or ridiculousness of Trump post Nov 3. 

Never. 

You know that, but you persist with these utterly false equivalencies. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    4 days ago
Democrat has ever carried on with the length or ridiculousness of Trump post Nov 3. 

Rep Corrine Brown in the House of Representatives in 2004:

"I come from Florida, where you and others participated in what I call the United States coup d'etat. We need to make sure it doesn't happen again," Brown said. "Over and over again after the election when you stole the election, you came back here and said, 'Get over it.' No, we're not going to get over it. And we want verification from the world."

Tell me John, is an elected Congressman calling the election of 2000 a "coup d' etat" discrediting elections? What about  161 Democratic Members of Congress asking the UN to supervise our elections to make sure they are fair.  Is every Democrat who engaged in the diebold conspiracy of 2004  a fascist? 

It's amazing how dishonest Democrats are about their own history discrediting elections and their ongoing campaign to do so.  For as sure as water is wet, Democrats are going to claim voter suppression if and when they lose their next election (2022).  To fixate on Trump, while ignoring your own parties decades long campaign to undermine trust in elections is staggeringly dishonest. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.6    4 days ago

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Texan1211
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3  Texan1211    4 days ago

Some folks will never learn what fascism is, and will continue in their ignorance.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @3    4 days ago

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Trout Giggles
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3.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @3.1    4 days ago

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Greg Jones
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3.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  devangelical @3.1    4 days ago

So.....define fascism for us. How dos it differ from socialism?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.2    4 days ago

Only ask if you want a regurgitation of progressive liberal talking points spoon-fed to him,

Or, if you want to see why Reagan is STILL right about our liberal "friends".

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.2    4 days ago
define fascism for us.
  • Absolute Power of the State:   Fascist regimes have a strong centralized state, or national government. The fascist state seeks total control over all major parts of society. Individuals must give up their private needs and rights to serve the needs of the whole society as represented by the state.
  • Rule by a Dictator:   A single dictator runs the fascist state and makes all the important decisions. This leader often uses charisma, a magnetic personality, to gain the support of the people.
  • Corporatism:   Fascists believe in taming capitalism by controlling labor and factory owners. Unions, strikes, and other labor actions are illegal. Although private property remains, the state controls the economy.
  • Extreme Nationalism:   The fascist state uses national glory and the fear of outside threats to build a new society based on the “common will” of the people. Fascists believe in action and looking at national myths for guidance rather than relying on the “barren intellectualism” of science and reason.
  • Superiority of the Nation’s People:   Fascists hold up the nation’s people as superior to other nationalities. They typically strengthen and unify the dominant group in a nation while stifling dissent and persecuting minority groups.
  • Militarism and Imperialism:   Fascists believe that great nations show their greatness by conquering and ruling weak nations. Fascists believe the state can survive only if it successfully proves its military superiority in war.

In a speech before thousands of his supporters in October 1922, Mussolini declared , “Either the government will be given to us, or we will seize it by marching on Rome.”

Sound eerily familiar doesn't it...

" We will never give up, we will never concede."

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," 

" So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give." - Donald Trump Jan 6th, 2021

Trumpism supports strong centralized national government. " America first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration." "To our friends and allies, I say America is going to be strong again." - Donald Trump

Trumpism supports rule by a single dictator that makes all the important decisions. " “Then, I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do whatever I want as president,” - Donald Trump

Trumpism supports extreme nationalism, ridicules intellectualism, science and reason. A majority of Republicans believe higher education is "bad for America". 

Trumpism supports the superiority of those they consider "the nations people" being white Christian conservatives. It's no wonder that white supremacists, the KKK, Neo-Nazi's and white nationalists rallied around Trumpism. They love it when he calls Mexicans rapists, calls our African ally countries "shitholes" or falsely claimed our first black President was illegitimate and really born in Kenya without a shred of evidence.

Trumpism supports militarism and military superiority in war. “We will give our military the tools you need to prevent war and, if required, to fight war and only do one thing. You know what that is? Win. Win,” - Donald Trump. Trump even brushed aside a military justice system that found service members guilty of war crimes, granting them pardons. “Let it be an arms race,” "We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all.” - Donald Trump

It's not hard to see the many similarities between Fascism and Trumpism.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.5  bbl-1  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.2    4 days ago

If you have to ask that question, you do not belong in the conversation.

 
 
 
JBB
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4  JBB    4 days ago

Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as the gop?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4    4 days ago

Gee, you mean the same GOP as it has been for well over a century and a half?

THAT same old GOP that the rest of America knows?

 
 
 
TOM PA
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4.1.1  TOM PA  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    4 days ago

256 You do mean this GOP?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  TOM PA @4.1.1    4 days ago

If you don't know by now, nothing I can write will help you to know.

 
 
 
TOM PA
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4.1.3  TOM PA  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    4 days ago

Todays GOP is not the one I signed up as back in the 60's.  And why I've been a registered independent for the last 40 years!  

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.4  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    4 days ago

Today's gop, Trump's gop, has no resemblance to the one time Grand Old Party of Abe Lincoln. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4.1.4    4 days ago

Well, gee, golly, do you mean to tell me things have changed in the last 150+ years or so?

Amazing, truly amazing!!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.5    4 days ago
do you mean to tell me things have changed in the last 150+ years or so?

Of course they have, yet you still keep trying to claim Democrats of today are the same as those Southern confederate conservatives who fought to conserve slavery, created the KKK, supported segregation, create Jim Crow laws, fought against a women's right to vote and fought against the civil rights act and voting rights act. You're also trying to give credit to todays Republicans for freeing the slaves under Lincoln and all the progressive accomplishments they've made without recognizing how much they have changed over the last century as they now protect confederate monuments, fly confederate flags, fight against federal assistance programs for low-income communities, fight against asylum for refugees, fight against increasing the minimum wage, fight against union rights, and fight against equal pay for women.

It's not that there have been a few minor changes, the core of the parties have completely changed.

The majority of Democrats (though primarily in the South) went from being hardline Christian conservatives claiming it was their right under religious freedom to discriminate, to being liberal progressives fighting for social programs for the poor and minorities.

And Republicans went from being liberal progressives fighting for social programs for the poor and minorities to being hardline Christian conservatives claiming it is their right under religious freedom to discriminate.

So really the label "Democrat" and "Republican" mean nothing anymore, the ideological lines are drawn, as they really always have been, along the rift between religious conservatives who always seem to be pushing for some version of Christian theocracy and liberal progressives who push for social programs for the poor and minorities and support a secular government with a clear separation between church and State.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.6    4 days ago

Man, theories are really something, ain't they?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.6    4 days ago
along the rift between religious conservatives who always seem to be push

Where do you learn this crap? You keep pushing some anti-history that isn't even internally consistent. The driving force behind the anti-slavery movement both here and abroad were devout "conservative Christians", (Reverand Beecher, William Wilberforce etc etc).  Stop twisting history to fit into your simplistic, partisan creed.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.7    4 days ago
Man, theories are really something, ain't they?

You would have to be willfully obtuse not to see how vastly different the two parties are now than they were in the first half of last century. It would require sticking your head in the sand or up a fat narcissist's ass not to see the glaring differences between todays Democratic party and the Southern Christian conservative party from 70 years ago. That's also what it would take to not see how much the Republican party has change in that same time.

We know the southern strategy was a real thing that Republican strategists were using to appeal to the disaffected conservative Southern Democrats angered with the Northern States Democrats writing, passing and signing into law the civil rights act and voting rights act.

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are." - Republican strategist Kevin Phillips in 1970 interview.

It really doesn't matter if current day Republicans became Republicans because of the southern strategy or not, it was employed by Republican strategists whether they want to admit it or not.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.9    4 days ago
vastly different the two parties are now than they were in the first half of last century.

1860, 1960, 2020 : the Democrats have always been the party of state sponsored racial discrimination 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5  Tessylo    4 days ago

We prefer to speak to the educated, not those whose comments/alleged advice aren't worth a plugged nickel. 

 
 
 
freepress
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6  freepress    4 days ago

Republican voters don't want to think, they want a daddy figure authoritarian who will lie to them which is no problem since Republicans are experts at lying and doing the opposite of what they say to their own constituents. 

The Republican base fails to recognize that every state, local and national political race they have ever won which gave them a Republican in office, is the real reason for their own woes. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1  Texan1211  replied to  freepress @6    4 days ago
Republican voters don't want to think, they want a daddy figure authoritarian who will lie to them which is no problem since Republicans are experts at lying and doing the opposite of what they say to their own constituents.  The Republican base fails to recognize that every state, local and national political race they have ever won which gave them a Republican in office, is the real reason for their own woes. 

Oh, gee.

What conspiracy or far left wing idiocy site did THAT come from?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2  Tessylo  replied to  freepress @6    4 days ago

So many morons have problems with what is right in front of their faces yet continue to deny, deflect, and project.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    4 days ago

And hence all this crap about what Democrats "think" the Republicans will do.

Good catch there!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 days ago
A new CNN poll

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnd ALL credibility lost for this in the first 4 words.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
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8  bbl-1    4 days ago

The party of the GOP is dealing with kompromat.  The MAGA base has a social dysfunction.

 
 
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