60% of Republicans think that believing that the election was stolen from Trump is an important part of being a Republican. 

How are we supposed to compromise with this garbage? 

Simple!  Do what other countries opposing parties do, tell them not to vote.  

So...don't even try. Quit obsessing about Trump and stay tuned for midterms,

x. It's specifically a fascist-promoted hoax intended to discredit democratic elections themselves, be

And that differs from the Democrats party line since 2000, how exactly? 

In 2000 Gore won the popular vote and the EC was down to one contested state but in the end both Gore and Democrats accepted that Bush had won.

In 2020 Biden whooped Trump's fat behind badly in both the popular vote and the electoral college and yet Trump and the gop refuse to accept the results.

That is the difference. Thank you for asking though.

hat is the difference. Thank you for asking though.

Lol.. What an Orwellian version of history.  I hope you are just being partisan and aren't actually that uninformed about your party's history. 

A couple days ago Trump told an audience of police and firefighters that the election had been "rigged" against him.  That is more than ten months after the election. 

Do you have examples of Al Gore doing the same throughout 2001? 

He's already claiming, like Elder, that the recall in California, is rigged because it's projected that Newsome will win.  

you have examples of Al Gore doing the same throughout 2001? 

I'm not going to look up what Al Gore said. But was he the only Democrat in the country?  Are you trying to argue that Democrats like Hillary Clinton, for instance, did not publicly discredit the 2000 election? 

No Democrat has ever carried on with the length or ridiculousness of Trump post Nov 3. 

Never. 

You know that, but you persist with these utterly false equivalencies. 

Democrat has ever carried on with the length or ridiculousness of Trump post Nov 3. 

Rep Corrine Brown in the House of Representatives in 2004:

"I come from Florida, where you and others participated in what I call the United States coup d'etat. We need to make sure it doesn't happen again," Brown said. "Over and over again after the election when you stole the election, you came back here and said, 'Get over it.' No, we're not going to get over it. And we want verification from the world."

Tell me John, is an elected Congressman calling the election of 2000 a "coup d' etat" discrediting elections? What about  161 Democratic Members of Congress asking the UN to supervise our elections to make sure they are fair.  Is every Democrat who engaged in the diebold conspiracy of 2004  a fascist? 

It's amazing how dishonest Democrats are about their own history discrediting elections and their ongoing campaign to do so.  For as sure as water is wet, Democrats are going to claim voter suppression if and when they lose their next election (2022).  To fixate on Trump, while ignoring your own parties decades long campaign to undermine trust in elections is staggeringly dishonest. 

Some folks will never learn what fascism is, and will continue in their ignorance.

yup.

So.....define fascism for us. How dos it differ from socialism?

Only ask if you want a regurgitation of progressive liberal talking points spoon-fed to him,

Or, if you want to see why Reagan is STILL right about our liberal "friends".

define fascism for us.

• Absolute Power of the State:   Fascist regimes have a strong centralized state, or national government. The fascist state seeks total control over all major parts of society. Individuals must give up their private needs and rights to serve the needs of the whole society as represented by the state.
• Rule by a Dictator:   A single dictator runs the fascist state and makes all the important decisions. This leader often uses charisma, a magnetic personality, to gain the support of the people.
• Corporatism:   Fascists believe in taming capitalism by controlling labor and factory owners. Unions, strikes, and other labor actions are illegal. Although private property remains, the state controls the economy.
• Extreme Nationalism:   The fascist state uses national glory and the fear of outside threats to build a new society based on the “common will” of the people. Fascists believe in action and looking at national myths for guidance rather than relying on the “barren intellectualism” of science and reason.
• Superiority of the Nation’s People:   Fascists hold up the nation’s people as superior to other nationalities. They typically strengthen and unify the dominant group in a nation while stifling dissent and persecuting minority groups.
• Militarism and Imperialism:   Fascists believe that great nations show their greatness by conquering and ruling weak nations. Fascists believe the state can survive only if it successfully proves its military superiority in war.

In a speech before thousands of his supporters in October 1922, Mussolini declared , “Either the government will be given to us, or we will seize it by marching on Rome.”

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Sound eerily familiar doesn't it...

" We will never give up, we will never concede."

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," 

" So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give." - Donald Trump Jan 6th, 2021

Trumpism supports strong centralized national government. " America first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration." "To our friends and allies, I say America is going to be strong again." - Donald Trump

Trumpism supports rule by a single dictator that makes all the important decisions. " “Then, I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do whatever I want as president,” - Donald Trump

Trumpism supports extreme nationalism, ridicules intellectualism, science and reason. A majority of Republicans believe higher education is "bad for America". 

reason

Trumpism supports the superiority of those they consider "the nations people" being white Christian conservatives. It's no wonder that white supremacists, the KKK, Neo-Nazi's and white nationalists rallied around Trumpism. They love it when he calls Mexicans rapists, calls our African ally countries "shitholes" or falsely claimed our first black President was illegitimate and really born in Kenya without a shred of evidence.

Trumpism supports militarism and military superiority in war. “We will give our military the tools you need to prevent war and, if required, to fight war and only do one thing. You know what that is? Win. Win,” - Donald Trump. Trump even brushed aside a military justice system that found service members guilty of war crimes, granting them pardons. “Let it be an arms race,” "We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all.” - Donald Trump

It's not hard to see the many similarities between Fascism and Trumpism.

If you have to ask that question, you do not belong in the conversation.

Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as the gop?

Gee, you mean the same GOP as it has been for well over a century and a half?

THAT same old GOP that the rest of America knows?

You do mean this GOP?  

If you don't know by now, nothing I can write will help you to know.

Todays GOP is not the one I signed up as back in the 60's.  And why I've been a registered independent for the last 40 years!  

Today's gop, Trump's gop, has no resemblance to the one time Grand Old Party of Abe Lincoln. 

Well, gee, golly, do you mean to tell me things have changed in the last 150+ years or so?

Amazing, truly amazing!!

do you mean to tell me things have changed in the last 150+ years or so?

Of course they have, yet you still keep trying to claim Democrats of today are the same as those Southern confederate conservatives who fought to conserve slavery, created the KKK, supported segregation, create Jim Crow laws, fought against a women's right to vote and fought against the civil rights act and voting rights act. You're also trying to give credit to todays Republicans for freeing the slaves under Lincoln and all the progressive accomplishments they've made without recognizing how much they have changed over the last century as they now protect confederate monuments, fly confederate flags, fight against federal assistance programs for low-income communities, fight against asylum for refugees, fight against increasing the minimum wage, fight against union rights, and fight against equal pay for women.

It's not that there have been a few minor changes, the core of the parties have completely changed.

The majority of Democrats (though primarily in the South) went from being hardline Christian conservatives claiming it was their right under religious freedom to discriminate, to being liberal progressives fighting for social programs for the poor and minorities.

And Republicans went from being liberal progressives fighting for social programs for the poor and minorities to being hardline Christian conservatives claiming it is their right under religious freedom to discriminate.

So really the label "Democrat" and "Republican" mean nothing anymore, the ideological lines are drawn, as they really always have been, along the rift between religious conservatives who always seem to be pushing for some version of Christian theocracy and liberal progressives who push for social programs for the poor and minorities and support a secular government with a clear separation between church and State.

Man, theories are really something, ain't they?

along the rift between religious conservatives who always seem to be push

Where do you learn this crap? You keep pushing some anti-history that isn't even internally consistent. The driving force behind the anti-slavery movement both here and abroad were devout "conservative Christians", (Reverand Beecher, William Wilberforce etc etc).  Stop twisting history to fit into your simplistic, partisan creed.  

Man, theories are really something, ain't they?

You would have to be willfully obtuse not to see how vastly different the two parties are now than they were in the first half of last century. It would require sticking your head in the sand or up a fat narcissist's ass not to see the glaring differences between todays Democratic party and the Southern Christian conservative party from 70 years ago. That's also what it would take to not see how much the Republican party has change in that same time.

We know the southern strategy was a real thing that Republican strategists were using to appeal to the disaffected conservative Southern Democrats angered with the Northern States Democrats writing, passing and signing into law the civil rights act and voting rights act.

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are." - Republican strategist Kevin Phillips in 1970 interview.

It really doesn't matter if current day Republicans became Republicans because of the southern strategy or not, it was employed by Republican strategists whether they want to admit it or not.

vastly different the two parties are now than they were in the first half of last century.

1860, 1960, 2020 : the Democrats have always been the party of state sponsored racial discrimination 

We prefer to speak to the educated, not those whose comments/alleged advice aren't worth a plugged nickel. 

Republican voters don't want to think, they want a daddy figure authoritarian who will lie to them which is no problem since Republicans are experts at lying and doing the opposite of what they say to their own constituents. 

The Republican base fails to recognize that every state, local and national political race they have ever won which gave them a Republican in office, is the real reason for their own woes. 

Republican voters don't want to think, they want a daddy figure authoritarian who will lie to them which is no problem since Republicans are experts at lying and doing the opposite of what they say to their own constituents.  The Republican base fails to recognize that every state, local and national political race they have ever won which gave them a Republican in office, is the real reason for their own woes. 

Oh, gee.

What conspiracy or far left wing idiocy site did THAT come from?

So many morons have problems with what is right in front of their faces yet continue to deny, deflect, and project.  

And hence all this crap about what Democrats "think" the Republicans will do.

Good catch there!

A new CNN poll

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnd ALL credibility lost for this in the first 4 words.  

The party of the GOP is dealing with kompromat.  The MAGA base has a social dysfunction.