Will there ever be a light at the end of the tunnel for Biden ? / the week that was

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  3 weeks ago  •  100 comments

Will there ever be a light at the end of the tunnel for Biden ? / the week that was
"We need to truly secure the border," Mayor Pete Saenz told the Washington Free Beacon in an interview published Thursday. "It was working under Trump, call it whatever you want to call it, but it was working."

Yesterday Juan Williams said "It's always darkest before the dawn."  When will the dawn come for Joe Biden?

This past week saw Joe Biden's top military leaders come before congress and contradict him over his blatant lie about not being advised to leave a residual force in Afghanistan ( 2,500 troops.) The sound bite of Biden telling George Stephanopolous that " No, No one said that to me that I can recall" will surely be used as part of some future GOP campaign ad. It will go down with Biden's promise : “And if there’s American citizens left, we’re going to stay until we get them all out.

Tucker Carlson devoted an entire show to the poor performance of Biden and his Generals:

"These people so thoroughly deserve each other. It is wonderful to see them rat each other out, which is exactly what they proceeded to do for the entirety of the hearing. General McKenzie explained that, despite the fact he personally oversaw the disaster in Afghanistan, he really had nothing to do with it. It was all demented grandpa, pulling the strings from the White House":

MCKENZIE: I won't share my personal recommendation to the president but I will give you my honest opinion, and my honest opinion and view shaped my recommendation. I recommended we maintain 2,500 troops in Afghanistan. I also recommended earlier in the fall of 2020 that we maintain 4,500 at that time. That was my personal view. I also have a view that the withdrawal of those forces would lead inevitably to the collapse of the Afghan military forces and eventually the Afghan government.


It wasn't just Biden who was under the gun last week. Nancy Pelosi faced her toughest challenge trying to get the Biden (or is it the Sanders) agenda through the House. Yesterday she had promised to deliver a vote on a major infrastructure bill. Her more progressive members prevented it from happening. It was a stunning setback for the woman who once passed Barack Obama's signature Health Care law without any bipartisan support at a time when most of the country was worried about the cost. She was the woman who led the resistance in the House to everything Donald Trump did as President and even made good on the democrat promise to impeach the man the left hated.


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“It’s a serious setback, ” Carl Hulse, The New York Times’s chief Washington correspondent said. Some day they will look back and wonder how it could be that the infrastructure bill, already passed by the Senate, overwhelmingly favored by democrats and supported by Republicans, could die so easily on the vine. But House progressives have refused to vote for it without assurances that moderate Democrats also support that other major piece of Biden’s agenda - the larger bill (a much more radical bill) that would vastly expand health care access, make education free, fight climate change to the point of defeating America's energy independence and in some way yet unknown, grant amnesty to millions, among other measures.  And then there was Sen Joe Manchin standing tall - telling them that he would not support another bill that came in over $1.5 Trillion.


Then there was the never ending crisis on the border. After allowing millions to enter the country and having to quickly close an eyesore of a camp in Del Rio, Texas, Biden's Homeland Security Secretary informed us that over 20 percent of illegal immigrant unaccompanied minors and 18 percent of family units who recently crossed the U.S.-Mexico border have tested positive for COVID-19 prior to being released from U.S. Customs and Border Protection custody over the last several weeks.


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Meanwhile democrat mayors along the south Texas border are still upset with Biden's open border policy:

"We need to truly secure the border" Mayor Pete Saenz told the Washington Free Beacon in an  interview published Thursday . "It was working under Trump, call it whatever you want to call it, but it was working."

"The border's not secure and hasn't been for a while," he said. "We can't continue this way, and I really haven't seen any measures yet from Washington to remedy this."

Saenz said his city’s public services are in desperate need of relief from the federal government after being overwhelmed with providing humanitarian aid, medical services and transportation for the thousands of migrants flooding into his city. 

He also said certain Trump-era policies have been beneficial, including the "Remain in Mexico" policy that required asylum seekers to stay in Mexico while they await hearings on their requests for safe haven in the U.S. The Biden administration said Wednesday it will again try to terminate the policy after a federal court in Texas ruled that its previous memorandum on ending the policy was against the law.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-texas-mayor-biden-border-crisis-trump


And just under the radar Special Counsel John Durham has issued a new set of subpoenas. 

And Connecticut casinos finally have sports wagering:

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What have we learned?

We learned that there are still those who will not accept reality and they continue to try and turn black into white. With publicized testimony some say "prove it."  The democrat Chairman of the House committee taking the testimony said but look at what Biden said about "a split" on God know's what. Then they told us that Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller should be punished for speaking up for the lives that were wasted and that Alexander Vindman, who pretended that some phantom was the whistleblower, is somehow a hero. What do many of them do after two terrible months?  They hide from any pertinent discussion of important events and join in hate-fest discussions.

We learned that the president and the people around him are inept ideologues.

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"White House officials, led by National Economic Council Director Brian Deese and domestic policy adviser Susan Rice  met for hours on Capitol Hill with congressional leaders and their staff. They also met with Sens. Joe Manchin  (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), who are the main stumbling blocks to ensuring a reconciliation bill makes it through the Senate."

Correction Jen: The main stumbling block yesterday was AOC and the squad!


Finally is the push by the Biden Administration to have the IRS collect data on personal bank transactions over $600, which is the epitome of government overreach. It is nothing short of a serious invasion of privacy. I guess he learned what the IRS can do during the Obama years. May he fail in that too.



Until next week....fight the good fight!


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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

Let's confine this one to those who are up to rational discussion.

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

If it is a rational discussion you seek, try not starting off with trite quotes such as "It's always darkest before the dawn." as a segue into your 'it was a dark and stormy night' screeds.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1    3 weeks ago
If it is a rational discussion you seek

That's right.

Have a good one.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
PhD Participates
1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

“Let's confine this one to those who are up to rational discussion.”

An interesting premise given the willingness of so many to ignore relevancy in the guise of rationality.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2    3 weeks ago

Yup, they are running hate-fests, free of charge.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
PhD Participates
1.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

“Yup, they are running hate-fests, free of charge”

That should get you a place of honor at the next rally…in total ignorance of the ‘hate’ that ensues. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.2    3 weeks ago

That's all they are.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Guide
1.3  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago
Let's confine this one to those who are up to rational discussion.

Well, this one went out the window with 1.1

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @1.3    3 weeks ago

As Nancy Pelosi is now discovering. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

Only light at end of said tunnel is when Biden and his administration are no longer in office, plain and simple. Only then will any chance at normalcy be possible.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4    3 weeks ago

Amen!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2  XXJefferson51    3 weeks ago

Only if he can show leadership and bring the the democrats together to pass the reconciliation and infrastructure bills totaling 2.5 trillion at most combined and get the debt limit reset on time.  Otherwise no.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    3 weeks ago

That may no longer be up to him. The question is will the left accept half a loaf?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    3 weeks ago

You know nothing about this, nothing.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    3 weeks ago

It sounded like a reasonable idea, don't you think so?

After all Biden spoke to both Senators multiple times.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    3 weeks ago

Tell us what you know that he doesn't. Or just what you know would be good.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

This is what writers call the pregnant pause!

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
2.2.4  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    3 weeks ago
pregnant pause

Yummy, yet another stillborn metaphor for our readers to digest.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

Not according to Herman Wouk. [deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.3    3 weeks ago

They are trying:

House Democrats on Wednesday passed a bill, 219-212, to suspend the debt limit through December 2022, sending it to the Senate, where it is expected to fail.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @2.3    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.2    3 weeks ago

The only ones stopping it are democrats!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.3    3 weeks ago

Democrats engaged in a verbal war on Thursday, with progressives and centrists accusing one another of essentially sabotaging  President Biden ’s agenda and putting the party’s majorities in jeopardy.

The two factions have been growing more and more mutually irritated by the day amid a stalemate over the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed by the Senate and a larger, sweeping social spending measure now being crafted.

But as lawmakers wondered whether they would be voting on an infrastructure bill that progressives have vowed to tank unless the budget bill moves first, the gloves really came off.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.2    3 weeks ago

Perhaps you misunderstood the request. It was tell us what YOU know not some copy and paste bullshit that you read somewhere.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.2    3 weeks ago

Uh, Tessylo, who is in the majority?

If you recall correctly, it is the Democrats.

If something doesn't pass, it is because Democrats didn't pass it.

Stop projecting Democratic Party failures onto Republicans.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.6    3 weeks ago
Uh, Tesslo, who is in the majority?

And a very narrow one at that! There is no mandate, nor any campaign promise from Biden to do all of this. As a matter of fact he defeated the people like Sanders and Warren who proposed this stuff. Pelosi says she will do it alone. I don't know which finger she is going to use, but her perty is divided between the moderates that got them that narrow majority and the radicals who want their program to radically change America.


If you recall correctly, it is the Democrats.

There is a bipartisan bill sitting there - it's their's for the taking. Don't tell me they are going to walk away with nothing?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
2.3.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.7    3 weeks ago

Them crickets are chirping very loudly...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Speaking of blatant lies. 

This past week saw Joe Biden's top military leaders come before congress and contradict him over his blatant lie about not being advised to leave a residual force in Afghanistan ( 2,500 troops.) The sound bite of Biden telling George Stephanopolous that "No, No one said that to me that I can recall"will surely be used as part of some future GOP campaign ad.

That paragraph is a blatant lie.  This "weekly" crapola feature hands us lies every week. Surely it fits right in to the pantheon of "conservative" media.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 weeks ago
That paragraph is a blatant lie. 

Which part?  The testimony of 3 military leaders or the public denial of Joe Biden?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    3 weeks ago

When the Republican congressmen were accusing Biden of lying the other day, none of them accurately quoted him. 

They left out KEY parts of what Biden said. That was the committee chairman Adam Smith's point. 

This is same old same old right wing gaslighting. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    3 weeks ago
none of them accurately quoted him. 

False. The only relevant remark Biden made in regard to recieving advice on leaving a small force behind was and still is: No, No one said that to me that I can recall" 

Do you really want to continue this futile exercise, John?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

After Smith dressed down the Republican congressman he was addressing when he accurately read Bidens comments to GS, the Republican said something like "there are different interpretations". 

The Republican interpretation was to LEAVE OUT the parts of Bidens words that were exculpatory. 

Its too late to go back and fix their mistake now. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    3 weeks ago
After Smith dressed down t

He didn't dress anyone down. He tried and failed to protect the hollow man president.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Masters Quiet
3.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

John,

All Biden has to do is produce the military advisors that told him it wasn't necessary to keep at least 2,500 troops in Afghanistan as a residual force to prop up the Afghan government and allow US citizens to get out.  That is it. Not one military adviser has come forward to back up Joe. Why is that? Maybe it is the voices in his own head he is listening to again? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

Believe it or not, this issue will stalk him

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

The three military advisers that were there at the hearing said they wont say what they told Biden. Why would someone else?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    3 weeks ago
The three military advisers that were there at the hearing said they wont say what they told Biden.

They covered for their boss a little bit, but they told us what we wanted to know. They did tell him to leave a small force behind. He lied to the nation about it.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
3.1.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

Seems like Biden took a page from then Vice President George H. W. Bush during the Iran-Contra hearings when he stated the now famous line "I have no clear recollection of those events."

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 weeks ago

President Biden is doing just fine despite all the hit pieces to the contrary.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
3.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    3 weeks ago

There wouldn't BE "hit pieces" if he actually WAS doing fine. Surely you can see that.,

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    3 weeks ago

President Biden is doing just fine despite all the alleged conservative hit pieces to the contrary.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.2    3 weeks ago
President Biden is doing just fine

As is reflected in recent polling.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
The democrat Chairman of the House committee taking the testimony said but look at what Biden said about "a split" on God know's what.

The Democratic chairman made a stunningly accurate point.  I asked you a day or two ago to show us which of the 4 or 5 Republican senators and congressmen who accused Biden of lying to Stephanopolous included Biden's words to GS  "it was split"  (a reference to the advice he received about keeping troops in Afghanistan.)  I dont think any of them included those words , which are key to the question of whether Biden was lying.  Do you have it Vic, or not? Which ones of the Republicans ACCURATELY quoted Biden?  This should be very easy for you to find out. 

Of course we both know NONE of them accurately quoted Biden, which is why the committee chairman made the point that he did. 

Now you come back with this bullshit in your "weekly wrap up". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago
I asked you a day or two ago to show us which of the 4 or 5 Republican senators and congressmen who accused Biden of lying to Stephanopolous included Biden's words to GS  "it was split"  (a reference to the advice he received about keeping troops in Afghanistan.) 

Why would they? Biden talking about a split by his advisors might have been true and be irrelevant. The split was most likely divided between military advisors and civilian advisors. If you recall Biden under Obama seldom listened to military advisors, even when it came to taking out Bin Laden.

(a reference to the advice he received about keeping troops in Afghanistan.)

No, that requires a bit of interpretation. What is clear is the direct answer he gave George Stephanopolous when specifically asked about leaving 2,500 troops in Afghanistan. He said he was never so informed or at least he didn't recall it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    3 weeks ago

You are wrong. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Do you know who judges the right vs wrong?

I'll give you one guess......

Our readers!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

As one of the 'readers' here, I know that you are correct John, as usual.  

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
4.1.4  bccrane  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    3 weeks ago
No, No one said that to me that I can recall" 

I can't see how anyone can claim Biden didn't lie about this, when in the same interview he said "it was split", just that statement alone means he had been told to leave troops in, otherwise what was the split about when the context was leaving troops in Afghanistan?

Signed:  A Reader.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
4.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  bccrane @4.1.4    3 weeks ago

Absolutely correct.

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  bccrane @4.1.4    3 weeks ago

Would you like to go through what Biden said word by word. I'll do it with you if you want. Right after Biden says No, no, he says "it was split". He wasnt denying that there was anyone advising him to leave troops there, he was saying that wasnt the only advice. That is what "it is split" means and it came about one second after he said "no, no. 

If you look at the comments with any common sense, clearly he wasnt denying that someone(s) advised him to leave 2500 troops there, "it was split" indicates him acknowledging that some gave that advice, but not all. 

The Republicans and right wing media have made a big deal out of nothing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.7    3 weeks ago
Would you like to go through what Biden said word by word. I'll do it with you if you want. Right after Biden says No, no, he says "it was split". He wasnt denying that there was anyone advising him to leave troops there, he was saying that wasnt the only advice. That is what "it is split" means and it came about one second after he said "no, no. 

You are trying to do the same thing Smith tried. Those were two different answers to two different questions.

Stephanopolous asked him specifically about leaving 2,500 troops there and Biden said  No, No one said that to me that I can recall" 


If you look at the comments with any common sense, clearly he wasnt denying that someone(s) advised him to leave 2500 troops there, "it was split" indicates him acknowledging that some gave that advice, but not all. 

Comon sense requires looking at responses as they pertain to questions asked. Biden had a specific question about a 2,500 man force and he responded. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
4.1.9  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    3 weeks ago

“Comon sense requires”

and therein lies the problem.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gazoo @4.1.9    3 weeks ago

That seems to be the first thing dismantled by college professors.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
4.1.11  bccrane  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.7    3 weeks ago
clearly he wasnt denying that someone(s) advised him to leave 2500 troops there, "it was split" indicates him acknowledging that some gave that advice, but not all.

Thank you for admitting that you believe he was told to leave 2500 troops there, which would make the "No, No one said that to me that I can recall" a lie when asked directly if he had been told to leave troops there.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  bccrane @4.1.11    3 weeks ago

Wanna bet that the sentence gets nitpicked apart in support of Biden and no acknowledgement of a Biden lie forthcoming?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.7    3 weeks ago

Biden said no to the question. He lied.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  bccrane @4.1.11    3 weeks ago
"No, No one said that to me that I can recall"

When he said that he was referring to a "stable situation" .

No one said that to me that I can recall. Look, George, the reason why it's been stable for a year is because the last president said, "We're leaving. And here's the deal I wanna make with you, Taliban. We're agreeing to leave if you agree not to attack us between now and the time we leave on May the 1st."

He had already admitted in the earlier portion that the advice was "split". Why would he a few seconds later say "no one ever told me that."

He was referring to the second part of the question, about "stability". 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.14    3 weeks ago

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dennis smith
Masters Silent
4.1.16  dennis smith  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.15    3 weeks ago

Very typical of the ususal suspects on the left to do so.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
4.1.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.12    3 weeks ago

You were absolutely right. Didn't take long at all.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Masters Quiet
4.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago
"it was split"

So where are those advisors John? Why haven't they come forward to back poor old Joe? Why hasn't Biden ordered them to come forward? The only split occurred in Biden's own head. He really needs to stop listening to those inner voices. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2    3 weeks ago

Ya, where the hell are they?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

Thousands of Department of Transportation employees to be furloughed, Federal Highway Administration to shut down after Pelosi pulls infrastructure vote.

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http:// hill.cm/fd7qOnR

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    3 weeks ago

So we are supposed to believe that if there was no infrastructure bill this year the whole Dept of Transportation would shut down?  What a bunch of nonsense. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    3 weeks ago

No, you are supposed to read the link and comprehend it so then you wouldn't ask that silly question.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Senior Participates
5.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    3 weeks ago
supposed to read the link and comprehend

Yeah, you know that won't happen with the left.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

BTW:

Free this Marine!

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    3 weeks ago

Maybe he should appear a Trump rally. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    3 weeks ago

You are casting him as a Trump supporter?  The issue has nothing to do with Trump or politics. It has to do with a dereliction of duty from those wearing 4 stars.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.1    3 weeks ago

This guy is not George Patton. And Patton was punished for questioning his superiors publicly. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
6.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
It has to do with a dereliction of duty from those wearing 4 stars.

like MacArthur?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    3 weeks ago
This guy is not George Patton.

Few people are. Patton was one of the greatest Generals in history. People didn't like his comportment. We needed him nonetheless!


 Patton was punished for questioning his superiors publicly. 

Patton was punished for quite a few things.


Scheller is somebody who is calling for the top brass to be subject to the same rules Patton was. Now do you understand?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

Another great General. As I reacall the old fashioned liberals hated listening to him pontificate and thus wrote up the UCMJ, whch they enacted in 1951.

As children we all had his firing drummed into us as a clear lesson in civilian control of the military and Truman's authority as Commander-in-Chief. There is a new chapter being written in the history books. It might just be called MacArthur was right about China and defeating them when the going was good.

You did want to tell us something?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    3 weeks ago

A war with China at that point in time would have led to the use of the atomic bomb again. It was an insane idea. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
6.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    3 weeks ago
As I reacall the old fashioned liberals hated listening to him pontificate and thus wrote up the UCMJ, whch they enacted in 1951.

Best to look stuff up first.

 The UCMJ has it's roots in The Articles of War, 1775.  Each Service thereafter had it's own CMJ.

The code was unified in 1950, codified by Congress in 1951. Nothing to do with MacArthur.

The old fashioned liberals tended to be Republicans,

but back then aside from conservative Southern Democrats

the Dems and R's were usually split evenly with lib's, cons and moderates.

Aside from secretly communicating his intentions to do as he pleased and enlarge the Korean War to the Japanese embassies in Spain & Portugal, MacArthur wasn't guilty of violating direct orders, yet,  hence no court martial.

He was found to be insubordinate and relieved of command, despite being the recipient of national hero worship.

MacArthur thought because of his immense popularity and Truman's 22% rating that MacArthur would be the next

Republican presidential candidate and likely POTUS.

By the end of 1952 people had lost interest in the continual Truman bashing and self aggrandizement and interest waned.  He sought  to inject himself as a compromise candidate which did not work either.

It's almost exactly why Milley won't be charged and won't resign.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.6    3 weeks ago
A war with China at that point in time would have led to the use of the atomic bomb again. It was an insane idea. 

It was so insane that later President Eisenhower planned on using them if the Communists decided to renew the Korean War:

"Documents released today give details on a decision by President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Administration in 1953 to use atomic bombs in North Korea and Communist China, if necessary, to end the Korean War.

Once the armistice was achieved, on July 27, 1953, the Eisenhower Administration continued to define plans to use nuclear weapons if the Communists renewed the war, which the North Koreans started in 1950.

President Eisenhower took office in January 1953 after talks for a cease-fire had dragged on for two years and the war had settled into a standoff, with casualties being incurred but with no change in the front line, which today still separates North and South Korea.

The fact that the Eisenhower Administration was ready to use nuclear weapons is not new. President Eisenhower, in his memoirs, said he came into office prepared to use them, if necessary, to break the deadlock. What is new in the 2,000 pages of documents now made public is the high level of planning and the detail of discussion on possible use of these weapons, and Mr. Eisenhower's interest in overcoming reluctance to use them."





What may be insane is trying to coexist with a Communist superpower.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.7    3 weeks ago
Nothing to do with MacArthur. The old fashioned liberals tended to be Republicans,

LMAO!

By the end of 1952 people had lost interest in the continual Truman bashing 

Truman was a product of a political machine, which corrupted his administration. His was one of the most corrupt administration's since that of Ulysees S Grant. I don't blame either man for what took place around them. That was the knock against Truman. As for his little argument with MacArthur (or "His Majesty" as Truman privately called him), Truman simply sensed that America coming off WWII and then involved in the Korean War had become war weary. He desperately sought an end to it. MacArthur saw the big picture and may have even thought of the day when China might become a super power. It was better to defeat them then when we had the nuclear advantage and put its Communist regime on trial for crimes against humanity.  AHHHH what could have been?


MacArthur thought because of his immense popularity and Truman's 22% rating that MacArthur would be the next

Republican presidential candidate and likely POTUS.

Was it MacArthur who thought that or maybe the GOP? The same GOP which would nominate Eisenhower?


And you need to look stuff up?


Best to remember what we lived through!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.8    3 weeks ago

The use of nuclear weapons continues to be an international taboo because they were only used once.  Further use of them in the 1950's or in VietNam would have opened a pandoras box and lord knows what this world would look like today.  If Eisenhower planned to use atomic bombs in Korea than Eisenhower was insane too. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.8    3 weeks ago
What may be insane is trying to coexist with a Communist superpower.

Its only a problem for people who make it one. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.9    3 weeks ago
It was better to defeat them then when we had the nuclear advantage and put its Communist regime on trial for crimes against humanity.  AHHHH what could have been?

The big red scare.  As I recall the John Birch Society had such thoughts. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.12    3 weeks ago
  As I recall

As I recall the Soviet Union got the bomb from........

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.10    3 weeks ago
than Eisenhower was insane too. 

Yet Truman wasn't?

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
6.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.9    3 weeks ago
LMAO!

Have you forgotten that Eisenhower continued  the New Deal policies of FDR?

          Best to remember what we lived through!

Best to remember that we are two different people with completely different experiences

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.15    3 weeks ago

I don't know how FDR got into the conversation, but the New Deal Policies were once challenged by the Supreme Court, that is up until FDR threatened the Court.

So your point is what?

Maybe it's social programs should be viewed on how popular they one day become? I'm sure those who never provided for their own retirement could tell us what a wise and virtuous program Social Security is, but probably not much else about it. Today we are living through a similar moment. Although I believe in mandatory vaccinations, i'm not sure the federal government has the right to do it. That's what the Supreme Court is supposed to be for. We are a nation of laws. We can't function via what's popular or what the elite think is right.

BTW I'm not impressed by the Biden administration using OSHA to go around the law. Nor am I impressed with a democrat congress thinking it has the mandate that FDR had. FDR has a super majority in congress for most of his long tenure as President.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.15    3 weeks ago
Best to remember what we lived through!

For instance we both recall the Vietnam War. How many recall precisely when the Vietnam War protests began?  Might it be as soon as those in college lost their defernent?  Ah, yes, someday a historian is going to seize on that and then future generations will know what we simply ignored.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.15    3 weeks ago
Best to remember that we are two different people with completely different experiences

Spoken just like Justice Sonia Sotomayor.  It may be better to remember we are both Americans.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
6.1.19  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.13    3 weeks ago

Americans Harry Gold, Ted Hall and Britian Klaus Fuchs and  a few others who decided that maintaining 

any kind of Russian existence was paramount to a German victory over Russia

and warranted their own espionage.

After the Germans were routed, the same people started feeding the Russians misinformation 

to slow the Russian atomic bomb project down.

America, being America, the Smyth Report was made public several days after the atomic attack on

Nagasaki. Naturally the Russians interpreted it and immediately realized where they were misled and

were they were wrong and which steps they could skip

to complete their first version of our "Fat Boy" bomb.

.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
6.1.20  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

Patton did not go to the press and openly advocate nuking Communist China like MacArthur did.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
6.1.21  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1.20    3 weeks ago

Give me a break Ed

A:

Two of Patton’s men were tried in connection with the killing of dozens of Italian and German prisoners of war in southern Sicily on July 14, 1943, which came to be known as the Biscari Massacre. Both claimed that they were following orders not to take prisoners that Patton himself had set forth in a fiery speech to their division a month earlier. Patton denied responsibility, and he was exonerated of any crime.

B:     Patton didn't have a clue about about atomic targets in August of 1945

He died in a traffic accident in December that a common waist band

style seat belt could have prevented his death.

Reminiscent?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
6.1.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.21    3 weeks ago

I never said Patton knew about nuclear devices. I was simply making a comparison about differences between Patton's and MacArthurs actions!

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
6.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1.22    3 weeks ago
I never said Patton knew about nuclear devices.

did I?

I was simply making a comparison about differences between Patton's and MacArthurs actions!

There are more similarities than differences it seems

In fact Patton argued strenuously to push the Russians out of Eastern Europe and was 100% correct in

predicting the Cold War and was relieved of command over it.

Very similar to MacArthurs beliefs and intentions to expand Korean Conflict  into China.

The politicians were right in that Americans were sick of war and didn't have the troops necessary to 

handle either Russia or China alone.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
6.1.24  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.23    3 weeks ago

Agreed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

This just in:

Ocasio-Cortez says framework deal not enough for infrastructure vote

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http:// hill.cm/yat589D

Sorry Nancy, the space-shot has spoken!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

They told him to get down there and talk to them! Convince them! Use your influence, your gift of persuasion!

#BREAKING : Biden headed to Capitol with agenda in disarray http:// hill.cm/hZbJ5lU

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And for God's sake don't take any questions!


 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
8.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    3 weeks ago

It's all about the legacy. He learned that that is the most important thing while you virtue signal from the oval office from his former boss

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1    3 weeks ago

Let's see how good he is:

House Democrats to hold second meeting amid standoff in party over $3.5 trillion reconciliation package http:// hill.cm/ximGHxA

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Meanwhile Krysten Sinema is on a plane on her way back to Arizona!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9  Texan1211    3 weeks ago

Doesn't look like Nancy Pelosi can shove the President's agenda down out throats quite yet, anyways.

I bet she is royally pissed off now at her fellow Democrats undermining her authority and making a liar out of her.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @9    3 weeks ago
Doesn't look like Nancy Pelosi can shove the President's agenda down out throats quite yet, anyways.

We may have time to go through the 2,400 pages bt November. It's like reading the Bible in a few weeks


I bet she is royally pissed off now at her fellow Democrats undermining her authority and making a liar out of her.

Oh yes!

Btw she never called the session to a close last night. In other words today is ongoing!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
9.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @9    3 weeks ago

Pelosi did not need her fellow Democrats to do that.

 
 
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