Raiders coach Jon Gruden Resigns over email scandal

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  53 comments

By:   Ryan Dunleavy (New York Post)

Raiders coach Jon Gruden Resigns over email scandal
Raiders head coach Jon Gruden has informed his staff he will resign

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Jon Gruden resigned as Las Vegas Raiders head coach after an explosive report in the New York Times revealed he used homophobic and misogynistic language in emails over a seven-year period.

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Only a few days after a first email leak revealed Gruden using racist language, more emails were uncovered showing Gruden mocked the drafting of the first openly gay player in NFL history, criticized the emergence of women in the NFL as officials and called for the dismissal of players protesting the playing of the national anthem, according to the Times.

NFL Network was first to report that Gruden, 58, informed the Raiders of his plans to step down. Gruden signed a 10-year, $100 million contract with the Raiders in 2018. Las Vegas is currently 3-2 and in third place in the AFC West.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Tough guy karma. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

AP source: Gruden out as Raiders coach over offensive emails

By JOSH DUBOW1-2 minutes 10/11/2021


Jon Gruden is out as coach of the Las Vegas Raiders after emails he sent before being hired in 2018 contained racist, homophobic and misogynistic comments.

A person familiar with the decision said Gruden is stepping down after The New York Times reported that Gruden frequently used misogynistic and homophobic language directed at Commissioner Roger Goodell and others in the NFL.

It was a rapid downfall for Gruden, who is in the fourth year of a 10-year, $100 million contract he signed with the Raiders in 2018. It started on Friday when the Wall Street Journal reported that Gruden used a racist term to describe NFL union chief DeMaurice Smith in a 2011 email to former Washington executive Bruce Allen.

The emails were discovered in a workplace misconduct investigation into the Washington Football Team but ended up costing Gruden his job.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3  Kavika     2 weeks ago

He may be saying that he resigned but I doubt it. Mark Davis had no choice but to fire him and I suspect that is exactly what happened. 

No loss, got rid of a bigot and not that great of a coach. Toss the trash out and move forward.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @3    2 weeks ago

I liked Gruden as an announcer, but he's always seemed to have a screw loose. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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4  charger 383    2 weeks ago

I was a Raider fan from AFL days, through thick and thin, winning and losing, from Lamonica, Blanda, Stabler, Madden, Al Davis and all those guys.  Oakland to LA then back to that dump and Las Vegas, but I think I am done 

I used to also like the Redskins because they were the local team, but said the hell with them when they changed the name. 

I will watch a few games when I have little else to do and watch Tom Brady until he retires but I can't put up with the BS 

   

 
 
 
Gazoo
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4.1  Gazoo  replied to  charger 383 @4    2 weeks ago

“,,,,I can't put up with the BS.”

i’m with ya. When, or if, they stop with all the social justice bs and just get back to playing football is when i’ll start watching again, until then, no.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @4.1    2 weeks ago

You think that an announcer for the major sports network in the country (Gruden worked for ESPN at the time) should be able to call the commissioner of the NFL  homophobic slurs in work emails and have there be no repercussions?  LOL, you are dreaming. 

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.2  CB   replied to  Gazoo @4.1    2 weeks ago

Well now how about if he was criticizing Donald Trump for simulating grabbing "ass" remarks in emails? Would you want him to resign? Yeah, uh-huh. GOTCHA!

Haters of social justice are loud and clear 'dog-whistlng' across the world wide web to other ears that they are some conservatives 'dyed in the wool".

 
 
 
Gazoo
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4.1.3  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

Where did i say that? LOL, you are dreaming.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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4.1.4  Gazoo  replied to  CB @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

As usual, you ain’t got shit.  

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Ender
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4.1.5  Ender  replied to  Gazoo @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

We all missed speak like a pirate day.

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.6  CB   replied to  Gazoo @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

Haters got to hate. I'm just calling it like it is. You don't hate social justice do you?

 
 
 
Sister Moosh Noosh Ample Bottom
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4.1.7  Sister Moosh Noosh Ample Bottom  replied to  Ender @4.1.5    2 weeks ago
We all missed speak like a pirate day.

And I'm still pissed about it.  Aaarrrgggggh.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Moosh Noosh Ample Bottom @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

Avast ye matey!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @4    2 weeks ago
I used to also like the Redskins because they were the local team, but said the hell with them when they changed the name. 

I would really love to know how you got away with this statement

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2    2 weeks ago

Don't make me give you the answer.

 
 
 
charger 383
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4.2.2  charger 383  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

there is nothing wrong with the statement.  

 
 
 
charger 383
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5  charger 383    2 weeks ago

I think this was done to get rid of Gruden and pressure will be put on Mark Davis to hire Bellamy as coach

 
 
 
charger 383
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6  charger 383    2 weeks ago

They could call Gruden "Chucky" after a demon doll with blond hair but he gets pushed out for saying rubber lips?  what a double standard! 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  charger 383 @6    2 weeks ago

I dont think he was pushed out for one email.  They found quite a few more. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 weeks ago

and the emails were obviously stolen / hacked and not meant for public distribution.

So much for privacy rights.

NYT strikes again.

 
 
 
charger 383
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7  charger 383    2 weeks ago

Now, I hope all of what they found will come out.  Especially anything on Goodell 

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.1  Kavika   replied to  charger 383 @7    2 weeks ago

I hope they all come out then we can see want a racist asshole he was.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @7.1    2 weeks ago

An asshole that is common in a high testosterone environment.

Jerry Jones said an awful lot without making any comment, lol.

Chucky has a friend in Dallas.

 
 
 
CB
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8  CB     2 weeks ago
Taken together, the emails provide an unvarnished look into the clubby culture of one N.F.L. circle of peers, where white male decision makers felt comfortable sharing pornographic images, deriding the league policies, and jocularly sharing homophobic language. Their banter flies in the face of the league’s public denouncements of racism and sexism and its promises to be more inclusive amid criticism for not listening to the concerns of Black players, who make up about 70 percent of rosters. The N.F.L. has in the past struggled to discipline personnel who have committed acts of domestic violence and been condemned for failing to adequately address harassment of women, including N.F.L. cheerleaders.

 
 
 
CB
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8.1  CB   replied to  CB @8    2 weeks ago

My apologies @8 is a quote from a New York Times article. "My bad." None of that is me.

 
 
 
charger 383
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9  charger 383    2 weeks ago

NFLPA  head DeMaurice Smith is an embracement to anyone who ever paid Union dues and I don't care what Gruden called him, it was well deserved. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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9.1  Kavika   replied to  charger 383 @9    2 weeks ago
NFLPA  head DeMaurice Smith is an embracement to anyone who ever paid Union dues and I don't care what Gruden called him, it was well deserved.

So you're good with racial slurs, good to know.

 
 
 
charger 383
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9.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Kavika @9.1    2 weeks ago

It is OK to call Trump "orangeman" and that is just as much a racial slur as saying Smith has big lips.  People need to grow thicker skin 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

In what way? trmp chose his skin color

 
 
 
Kavika
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9.1.3  Kavika   replied to  charger 383 @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

If you can't understand the difference between a racist trope like ''rubberlips'' and the Orangeman there is nothing that I can do to explain it to you. You might want to try walking up to a blackman and tell him he was rubber lips. 

 
 
 
Sister Moosh Noosh Ample Bottom
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9.1.4  Sister Moosh Noosh Ample Bottom  replied to  charger 383 @9.1.1    2 weeks ago
It is OK to call Trump "orangeman" and that is just as much a racial slur as saying Smith has big lips.

You can't be serious.  Trump uses a bronzer that is way too orange for his natural skin tone.  The fact that he resembles a carrot with a comb-over has nothing to do with race.  Obama was teased about his ears, and that had nothing to do with his race.  Nixon was teased about the size of his forehead, and that had nothing to do with race.  Bob Hope was teased about his ski slope nose.  Again, it had nothing to do with race.  

Regarding 'rubber lips' - I can only assume that the person about whom Gruden was speaking, is black.  Given the fact that many blacks are blessed with full lips, is what makes Gruden's comment racist.  If Gruden had been referring to Mick Jagger as having rubber lips, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because the size of Mick Jagger's lips have nothing to do with  his race.

And there is something else.  I used to think in a manner similar to yours.  For example, I considered the name Washington Redskins as a kind of honor shout-out to Native Americans.  For years, my family had a summer cabin on Little Squaw Creek in Colorado.  On the other side of the mountain from our cabin was Big Squaw Creek.  It never entered my mind that the term 'squaw' was a slur.  I have only happy memories of spending summers at Little Squaw, so how could it possibly be a slur to Native American Women?  I was wrong.  In fact, I wasn't wrong just a little, I was wrong huge.  I'm 1/4 Cherokee, but not having been raised in a manner consistent with my heritage, I just didn't understand, and I'm embarrassed that it took me 30 years to understand.  The person who helped me understand, is Kavika.  At first, he didn't have a lot of patience with my foolishness.  I simply refused to accept that certain terms were culturally offensive, and that was only because I didn't view them that way.  But Kavika did, and that should have been enough of a reason to adjust my vocabulary.

I know you are not going to change your mind based on what I've said.  But I hope you at least think about it. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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9.1.5  Raven Wing  replied to  Sister Moosh Noosh Ample Bottom @9.1.4    2 weeks ago

Very well said, Sister. jrSmiley_28_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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9.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @9.1.3    2 weeks ago

It would be like that scene in Die Hard With A Vengeance when McClain had to wear a sandwich board with I HATE (N word) in Harlem.  But he would not have Samuel Jackson to save his ass.

 
 
 
charger 383
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10  charger 383    2 weeks ago

NFL is full of convicted criminals and people who would be in jail or on the backend of a trash truck if they were not good with an oddly shaped ball and that's OK but if they find out you called somebody rubber lips 10 years ago you are chased out. 

But some think players who disrespect the country, where players make millions, are the good ones.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  charger 383 @10    2 weeks ago
NFL is full of convicted criminals and people who would be in jail or on the backend of a trash truck if they were not good with an oddly shaped ball and that's OK but if they find out you called somebody rubber lips 10 years ago you are chased out.  But some think players who disrespect the country, where players make millions, are the good ones.  

This comment is devoid of logic. Kneeling during the national anthem as a protest gesture is not "disrespecting the country" . Giving the finger during the national anthem would be disrespecting the country. 

Saying , by name, that a person of African American descent,( who has the somewhat typical large lips)

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has lips that look like automobile tires , is a recognizable racial slur. 

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CB
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11  CB     2 weeks ago

Charger, subtlety? Gruden said: ""Dumboriss Smith has lips the size of michellin tires."   Of course he was talking about "big lips" and its a slur.

Thus, Gruden is deploying some "rubber-lipping" on his own behalf. Because he is busted and $100M dollar pay days are not easy to resign and leave in the corporation's bank.

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But let's be clear. Gruden said more than racial overtones. There were other emails and overtones 

Since you are into giving out 'mulligans' to your picks-okay.

 
 
 
CB
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12  CB     2 weeks ago
NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith told the newspaper: "This is not the first racist comment that I’ve heard and it probably will not be the last. This is a thick skin job for someone with dark skin, just like it always has been for many people who look like me and work in corporate America."

"You know people are sometimes saying things behind your back that are racist just like you see people talk and write about you using thinly coded and racist language," he added. "Racism like this comes from the fact that I’m at the same table as they are and they don’t think someone who looks like me belongs."

"I’m sorry my family has to see something like this but I would rather they know. I will not let it define me," he said.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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13  Hal A. Lujah    2 weeks ago

”I never meant to hurt anyone when I openly disparaged them” … hmmm.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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14  Snuffy    2 weeks ago

Not excusing his actions or the ramifications from it, but who decides why one person should be pushed out into the light for such transgressions and another person should be ignored? 

 
 
 
evilgenius
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14.1  evilgenius  replied to  Snuffy @14    2 weeks ago
Not excusing his actions or the ramifications from it, but who decides why one person should be pushed out into the light for such transgressions and another person should be ignored? 

None of these actions should be ignored. They should all be held to the standard the NFL is preaching it stands for. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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14.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  evilgenius @14.1    2 weeks ago

I understand, and I agree. But what about other areas than just the NFL?  Or sports in any area?  We have all seen people both living and dead who have been targeted because of their racist speech but have seen others ignored for the same issue.  Why do some seem to get a pass while others do not?  That's the question I was trying to ask.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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14.1.2  evilgenius  replied to  Snuffy @14.1.1    2 weeks ago
That's the question I was trying to ask.

I don't think we'll ever have a satisfying answer to that. As we have all seen, living up to one's ideals isn't an easy task. It's easier to make excuses about why we don't. That doesn't mean we shouldn't hold others accountable or stop trying to be better ourselves.

 
 
 
CB
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14.1.3  CB   replied to  Snuffy @14.1.1    2 weeks ago

It depends on who or what is doing the pushing, if he/she/them/it are pushing (at all), and if this push is sufficient enough.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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14.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  CB @14.1.3    2 weeks ago

I don't understand your reply.  Using this seed as an example,  Gruden is responsible for his emails.  But someone leaked those to the public.  Who decided that the public should see them and who (ie, the public again) decided that Gruden should be held responsible?   There are plenty of other people in the world, both living and dead, who have spouted racist or sexist words in the past. Some of them are held accountable but others are not.  Who decides which should be held accountable and which should not be?

But I just don't understand who you mean by 

It depends on who or what is doing the pushing, if he/she/them/it are pushing (at all), 
 
 
 
CB
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14.1.5  CB   replied to  Snuffy @14.1.4    2 weeks ago

People in position of power, influence, authority, office, viewed the emails after someone who was party to the conversations made them aware of their presence (on the NFL's server or kept in stasis on his/her/their own email 'box.')

We do not need to try to be 'lawyerly' about who is qualified to see and share what with the public, because our role is to comment on what has occurred. Leaving the "how-comes" and 'what-fors' and "injured parties" for trial or civil attorneys.

But I just don't understand who you mean by  It depends on who or what is doing the pushing, if he/she/them/it are pushing (at all).

Easy enough. Someone/something happens and an issue comes up for discussion, further discussion, and when necessary, resolution. If nobody brings it up: it dies. If somebody brings the issue forward: it survives. If the issue persists: It thrives.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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14.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @14    2 weeks ago

Fate. 

 
 
 
CB
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14.3  CB   replied to  Snuffy @14    2 weeks ago
Who decides why one person should be pushed out into the light for such transgressions and another person should be ignored? 

The person/s standing behind doing the 'pushing'!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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15  al Jizzerror    2 weeks ago

Gruden didn't send those offensive emails.

800

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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16  Paula Bartholomew    2 weeks ago

The man does have a nice ass though.  The problem is that it spread and now he is just all ass.

 
 
 
charger 383
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17  charger 383    2 weeks ago

Somebody in the NFL had it in for Gruden and to get him they opened Pandora's box and it is going to have a lot of unintended consequences.    

 
 
 
Tessylo
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17.1  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @17    2 weeks ago

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charger 383
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18  charger 383    2 weeks ago

The NFL had this information and sat on it.

Report: NFL Possessed Bombshell Jon Gruden Emails for Months and Didn't Act

Evan Bletier     1 day ago
 
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As more and more details emerge about how and why   the bombshell emails   that   led to former Las Vegas Raiders coach Jon Gruden resigning   on Monday night before he could be fired, the NFL continues to look worse and worse.

AAPtz0O.img?h=582&w=874&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=556&y=372 © Sean M. Haffey/Getty   NFL commissioner Roger Goodell looks on before the Las Vegas Raiders play

Per   a new report from   The Wall Street Journal , the league had possession of Gruden’s inflammatory emails, which contained racist, sexist and homophobic content and also mocked NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, for months before they began to leak out over the weekend.

The NFL uncovered Gruden’s emails, which were mostly with former Washington Football Team executive Bruce Allen and were sent long before Gruden was hired by the Raiders, over the summer while investigating the D.C.-based franchise and owner Daniel Snyder for workplace   misconduct . The offensive emails between Gruden and Allen were part of a trove of more than 650,000 that the league received in June as the investigation into the Washington Football Team was wrapping up.


League officials found the emails troubling, but it was determined that they were outside the scope of the original probe of the Washington Football Team, which had been known as the Redskins until 2020 until that name was changed under pressure ,” per  The Journal . “So while the league wrapped up the Washington investigation—and fined the team a record $10 million—it launched a separate investigation of the emails. By last week, however, the league had not yet acted on what it found in the emails.”

The league allegedly planned to present the findings of its investigation into the emails to the Raiders at a meeting that had not yet been scheduled at the time the contents of the crude correspondence started to leak out. Those leaks, which the NFL   is on the record claiming   it had nothing to do with, led to Gruden being out of football without that meeting ever having to take place. It also led to the NFL not having to publicly admit (by holding a meeting presenting its findings from the email investigation) that it had known about Gruden’s offensive views and conduct for months without doing anything about it and allowing him to continue to coach football games. (Which he did on Sunday even after he’d been revealed to be a racist via a leaked email on Friday.)

With Gruden gone and the investigation into his chats with Allen now a moot point, no other current team or NFL employees are under investigation by the league related to the trove of 650,000 emails, people familiar with the matter told   The Journal.   And, for now,   the league said   it has no “current plans” to release all the WFT materials.

Gruden is out. Snyder, somehow, is safe. And the NFL gets to keep perpetuating the image it stands against racism, sexism and homophobia even though it did nothing to combat those issues for months when presented with the chance.

 
 
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