‘We will not comply!’: NYC workers protest vax mandate with march across Brooklyn Bridge
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Via: vic-eldred • 3 years ago • 145 commentsBy: By Elizabeth Rosner and Sam Raskin
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City workers took to the streets Monday to protest Mayor Bill de Blasio’s vaccine mandate for the entire municipal workforce .
At least 20 people were arrested during the protest, a police source said.
Days after the mayor announced that all government employees except for jail staff will need to receive a vaccine shot by Friday or be placed on unpaid leave, about 5,000 incensed demonstrators marched over the Brooklyn Bridge to Manhattan.
Many carried American flags, chanting, “F–k de Blasio” and “We will not comply!”
Some protesters wore NYPD and FDNY shirts, and several hoisted Gadsden “Don’t Tread on Me” flags, while others took to the extreme of wearing yellow stars of David to compare the inoculation requirement to Nazi Germany’s persecution of Jews.
“Now, [after] working after countless of emergencies — Hurricane Sandy, the snowstorms … I am under threat. We are under threat of losing our livelihood for simply retaining the choice of protecting our bodies,” fumed firefighter Sofia Medina after the crowd reached City Hall.
“Why now are we being bribed and coerced to take a medication. … We are not now nor have ever been a public health threat.”
“Leave us alone and let us work,” she said to de Blasio. “Get out of the way for those of us who want to work and show up on time.”
“Mayor de Blasio wants to paint us as immoral, unsafe, and a danger to the public. To the citizens of the city, we want to continue protecting you,” bellowed
Paul Schweit, who was wearing an FDNY shirt.
“Thousands of good cops and city municipal workers stand to lose their jobs,” said a police officer. “Are the good people of New York City confident adequate people will fill those positions. I’m frightened of what comes next?”
The cop wondered, “Under the authority of Mayor de Blasio, what will be the next order for the NYPD?”
Another member of the city’s police force addressed NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea, who supports a vaccine mandate .
“To Police Commissioner Shea: We have always been prepared to lay down our lives in defense of ours, will you run to our aid or stand idly by?” said a male cop, addressing the protesters.
The protest against City Hall’s new policy comes after de Blasio on Wednesday announced that the test-or-shot requirement would be replaced by an outright vaccine rule.
City employees — including firefighters and cops — will be mandated to get their first dose by 5 p.m. Friday, the mayor said. Members of the city workforce who have not started their vaccine series by Nov. 1 will be placed on unpaid leave until they provide proof of vaccination.
Previously, only Department of Education staff and city health workers were required to be inoculated against COVID-19.
As an incentive, holdouts who agree to receive a jab will get a $500 paycheck boost.
Correction officers have until Dec. 1 to receive their first shot, due to an ongoing staffing shortage at the beleaguered Rikers Island .
Some city workers who already got their shots told The Post they viewed not receiving the hundreds of dollars reward as a sign of “disrespect.”
The demonstration follows a mob of anti-vaxxers gathering outside the Barclays Center on Sunday to support Nets star Kyrie Irving, whom the team is not allowing to play because he has not yet been vaccinated.
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I'm not takling a side in this one, but I do know somebody in New York who knows how to do an interview. I'd like her to ask each protestor if they voted for Joe Biden as her first question. Or is she too busy these days?
What does that have to do with the article? Or are you just introducing another Hate Biden Fest? Cuz last I knew Biden doesn't run NYC which the story is about.
You don't know? Really?
Let me do the honors - Joe Biden introduced government mandates. If anyone doesn't like them and voted for Biden, they have their own ass to kick!
You are really reaching to keep your Biden Hate Fest going. I find it extremely telling you can't even stay on topic in your own seed. How pathetic.
Mandates are mentioned in the article. Mandates must be on topic then no matter who issued them.
I know how important the good name of hate fests are to you, but let's not make it personal.
Remember rule 1?
They want you to forget that vaccine mandates was Biden's idea.
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Some folks do seem a tad touchy about any criticism of Biden.
I guess when even Democrats are disappointed with his "leadership", lashing out is all that is left.
Again, he is on topic. Mandates are mentioned in the article, thus they are on topic.
I don't think what Biden did on mandates is unreasonable (it may be illigal), the fact is that he made it a federal policy. Why would we have to debate that?
Joe Biden is not the topic, per the article. The mayor of NYC who made the mandates is.
I seeded the article. I say mandates & Biden are on topic.
Who is Veronica to say whats on topic?
Vic, you were even talking about me. I am not the topic. Please do not include me in this.
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First of all, you included me from the get go:
Generally, the article is the topic, unless defined in the first statement as in "Biden is on topic". You only mentioned him and me.
And no I don't do things like that. I removed the comment as per seeder, but only because of references to other articles.
The article clearly mentions mandates, I have been told many times that if something is mentioned in an article, then it is on topic.
Is that no longer true?
Things mentioned in articles are now considered off topic?
"Segues to highly-related topics are allowed. For example, an article on high-speed rail systems could spawn discussions on why the USA seems to be falling behind on this form of mass transit systems. Authors (and seeders) determine (in general terms) what is considered on-topic (topical guidelines) while moderators determine if a specific comment violates the author’s topical guidelines."
Could an article about mandates spawn a discussion about federal mandates for the same thing(vaccinations)?
In a vague, yet positive way! (A friendly Olive branch)
Generally, the article is the topic, unless defined in the first statement as in "Biden is on topic". You only mentioned him and me.
Articles and seeds may be as narrow or as broad as the author/seeder likes.
And no I don't do things like that.
Good. Please stay that way,
I removed the comment as per seeder, but only because of references to other articles.
Veronica's comment should have been removed as a violation of rule 1 - mentioning members in a negative way, a personal attack or a personal insult.
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The article is clearly discussing NYC mandates. Nothing else.
Only if the seeder allows it, which is usually defined in the beginning so that they can't disqualify comments made later on.
When have any of us ever been on topic...
Haha
But not always. We have had seeders/authors declare something off/on topic well into the thread and the mods have respected it.
This is meta. You want to discuss this go to Metafied.
That is fine, so when an article is talking about an event which happens in one state, any related events in other states would be off topic?
Seems weird that a NYC mandate for Covid vaccinations can not segue into federal mandates for the same, according to the C of C, but I understand the rules now.
The seeder has allowed it.
Are you now going to make up your own rules because you are the seeder? I don't think it works that way.
Perrie plays by the CoC rules that were voted for by the majority of the NT Members. She does not make up her own rules. Just because you are the seeder does not mean you are exempt from having to play by the CoC rules whether you voted for them or not.
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Yes, their protests look this silly.
I remember my son not wanting to wear his bicycle helmet. I told him it's the law and to write his congressman.
Which makes you and your son, apparently smarter than 1/3 of the republicans in this country.
I like to think I'm smarter than half.
I'll be generous, I think you're smarter than 3/4's.
You're generous indeed.
They also took to the streets to protest NO SHIRT NO SHOES NO SERVICE signs in businesses.
Hope they didn't block traffic! In some conservative circles that's considered worthy of being run over.
You are unsafe and a danger to others who have underlying conditions an/or a compromised immune system. Wouldn't the moral thing to do is get vaccinated?
Thousands of good cops dies last year of COVID. It was the number one killer of LEOs in 2020.
I didn't get any number of things that were used to incentivize shots here either and I too am salty about it. They should get that bonus check.
Hell if they were in Florida we couldn't have run their dumbasses over, no crime.
YTD it's the number one killer in 2021 as well.
If they were in Florida they could have their job plus a $5,000 bonus:
I'm well aware of what DeSantis is offering. Yup, send our tax money on dumb fucks that don't want to be vaccinated and help spread COVID. $5,000 for stupidity seems right in line with DeSantis and your thinking.
Do you think that they will keep their seniority and benefits package when they are new hires in Florida, Vic?
So does that mean you buy into the "we have to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" thing?
If you're vaccinated it shouldn't matter if they are or not. Seems to me they are only a threat to the like minded except for those who may be immunocompromised.
If one had any brains and were aware of the fact the COVID is the leading killer of LEO's that getting protected by getting a fricking vaccine would be something that anyone with an IQ above room temperature would want.
But let's pay $5,000 for each stupid LEO.
About 3% of the US population is comprised and that amounts to 630,000 people in Florida additionally we are one of the states with the highest number of seniors.
Their problem. Not yours or mine. I'm protected so if they want to play Russian roulette, not my clowns. Not my circus. They have been warned and informed.
Actually, it is my problem, with the senior and comprised population of Florida it becomes everyone's problem. Plus paying $5,000 for a whiny LEO that doesn't want the vaccine isn't the best financial decision a state can make.
Aren't cops taxpayer funded.
So basically Floridian taxpayers have to pay these idiots a large sum just to take a vac.
Ridiculous.
So basically Floridian taxpayers have to pay these idiots a large sum just to take a vac.
Nope, DeSantis is telling LEO's from other states to come to Florida to work and they do not have to be vaccinated then, now or in the future and the taxpayer will give them $5,000 as a bonus.
About as stupid as one can get.
That sounds worse.
So Florida will end up with all the morons.
BINGO
They already have the lion's share now.
Yes, but studies of the infection has shown transmission to be lessened after vaccination.
Provided COVID doesn't kill you, or give you long term health issues, natural anti-bodies are shown to last for an average of 3 months.
First of all, "natural immunity" refers to people who are naturally immune, which is a rarity.
Yes, the vaccinated can carry a viral load, but so do the unvaccinated. That is not the reason we need more compliance. It's so that we reach herd immunity, which means the virus dies out. When the virus has no place to go to brew, it burns out.
Ummmmm I am now naturally immune having had a severe case and I also have the vaccine which makes me a hybrid immune person.
Your question could have been answered by a 15 second search from Google, as Evilgenius has shown. Perhaps you should start researching before submitting such easily debunked questions.
Of course the fully vaccinated can still carry and transmit Covid 19. It is something they always overlook when blasting anti-vaxxers.
The only way to prevent the spread of Covid 19 would be to put the entire planet on lock down- been tried and failed; or put everyone in self contained environmental suits.
So this 'study' and its claims is from one site and activities and settings are not representative....
They admit it...
No, you are now actively immune. As to whether or not you are a hybrid, your secret is safe with me.
I stand corrected.
At your service excellency. ; -)
It doesn't include those who have had the virus?
Not according to the link in 3.2.7
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It's easier up there where there is no Bill of Rights.
Up here, it is called a Charter of Rights and it is embedded within the constitution. If you care to read up on it:
What you had right after getting covid is active immunity. Same with getting the vaccine.
I realize that there is a lot of mixed messaging with these terms.
No, those people have active immunity.
yep Hallux tuned me in on that. Didn't know there was a difference. I learned something in my old age LOL
Excellent! From your lips to Rochelle Walensky's ears!
Careful, you'll be categorized as one of those "up there".
The problem is the CDC isn't mentioning any kind of immunity for those who have already had it.
To extrapolate from one of Nietzsche's maxims: "Stare into the abyss and it stares back at you." Look for a problem and you will find one.
"Although scientific authorities widely use “natural immunity” as a neutral description of immunity acquired through infection , it has different significance outside of medical journals."
And that's the way it has been used.
I love that one.
Ayn Rand observed: "The greatest guilt of modern industrialists is not the fumes of their factory smokestacks, but the pollution of this country's intellectual life, which they have condoned, assisted and supported."
Ayn is a pedestrian compared to Fredrich.
And Fredrich was a pedestrian compared to Marx, yet you may recall, Marx was wrong about everything.
Ayn Rand was a hypocrite, a thief, and a liar. How ironic she is putting down intellectuals while acting as one. Typical of her.
But she was right on economics.
Not really. You might want to read this:
btw, she relied on social nets in her old age, so that should tell you something about laissez-faire capitalism .
According to Libertarians.
Good luck to Ms Dalmia with that little opinion piece written during the financial/housing crisis. You can tell Shikha that if she's looking for a reason, look no further than here:
According to Economists
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Indeed, Libertarian economists and especially those of the Austrian School.
Ms. Dalmia opinions were not wrong. Here are others You can't claim they were all wrong, just because you like Rand.
I was looking for a book report on that subject. There are many book reports on NT.
Yes they were.
Are you against Capitalism?
Indeed, and it appears that only they are read and not the books themselves.
That's a silly question to ask a radical centrist like Perrie.
Of course, I am not against capitalism. I came from a family business, I'm an accountant and my minor was in economics. Just because I think that Rand was a self-serving, self-proclaimed economist (her degree was in fiction writing, so her opinion was as good as anyone else's), doesn't mean I am not a capitalist, and I am one who knows at least something about it, unlike her.
One would think that a bit of research is in order before making a totally false comment. Oh well, lesson learned, maybe.
A little too much bait on the hook.
Wrong bait, wrong hook and definitely the wrong fish.
As usual
Do we get to guess what hybrid he is and is it animal, mineral, or vegetable?
She was also pro-choice
BooYah
In August NYC reported an o verall crime in the city decreased by 5.4%. Yeah, that's about to change. And it won't continue to decline. My guess is that it will spike drastically.
Broke former cops turning to a life of crime?
No. People fired by these states and municipalities will move to red states and resume their careers. The blue states will deal with labor shortages in health, first responders , and law enforcement.
No. They move to states that don't shit on them. You know, red states.
The leading killer of LEO's is COVID, and they don't want the vaccine. Not the brightest decision but let them move to red states, they can die there just as fast if not faster than where they currently live.
I'm sure that an LEO is going to give up whatever number of years of seniority they have to move to another state and start at the bottom.
More brilliant decision making.
But mommy I don't want the shot, just because.
Or they could just quit being crybabies, man up, and do their jobs.
They are trying to do their jobs. Or did you miss that part. It was implied...
God what babies people have become...
So out doing their job, no worries...
Told to get a vaccine that could save their lives they turn into children not wanting to eat their broccoli...
Most people overcook broccoli, it should be steamed to a crisp bright green, not boiled to a mushy army green.
For me, it would be liver. I like raw broccoli, but can't stand it cooked.
It seems like yesterday when democrats were honoring the front line nurses & doctors & cops & firemen and ambulance workers who bravely went out and tried to save people during the early days of the pandemic.
Now the left wants to mock and fire them.
Seems to me, they mock themselves...
I see.
They're a bunch of ignorant shitheads to give up their livelihoods because they're a bunch of ignorant pussies who are afraid of getting a shot.
They are mocking themselves.
Idiots - give up their jobs for their agnorance (ignorance combined with arrogance)
That's a good way of putting it. And people complaining about mandates are like children whining about having to do their chores.
Cops are supposed to serve and protect, not serve and infect.
What gets me is the number of cops that die because of the virus yet they won't take the shot.
Where is Reagan when needed...
So, if all the cops are on the Brooklyn bridge, a good day to be a criminal in the city.
With de Blasio as mayor, any day is a good day to be a criminal in NYC
I just came back from getting my booster shot, so far no side effects but after type B flue last week I'll deal with any if I get. Nobody told me to and I got the booster soon as it was available because I wanted it
A responsible citizen, good for you!
Anyone refusing vaccination really should be shot..
How about just jabbed?
thanks
Oh please. Shooting them is just fucking nuts. What they should receive is no hospital care if infected. Send them home with meds and O2, but the beds belong to those who deserve them. They should also lose their health insurance and have to cover all costs personally. If they end up homeless, too damned bad.
So everyone who doesn't agree with you should be shot? Talk about arrogance.
about 2 hours after getting shot, I felt sick and laid down. When I woke up I felt better, This morning I feel good but a little tired. The first J&J shot did not bother me. I think the protection was worth it.
A friend who would not get the shot obituary is in the paper this morning
I'm sorry you lost someone to Covid.
Condolences to you about the loss of your friend.
I get my booster this Friday. I have already cleared the next day in case I feel like a bag of bruised bones like I did with the second shot. I have snacks, water, and movies to watch all day next to my bed.
Very sorry about your friend.
Which booster did you receive?
Thanks, Pfizer, my first shot was J&J
I am not able to get it yet. I am hoping my employer will soon open it up to all. My daughter got her booster on Monday (she is immunosuppressed). She was a little more tired than usual, but I don't know if it was because of the booster or the fact she is on the tail end of her treatment period. She was out doing yard work today so I am hoping it was just a flash from the booster.
They sent out a memo earlier this week that as long as you got fully vaxxxed with either of the 3 your booster can be any of the 3. They're setting up a clinic next Friday and I think it might be the Moderna. They gave out the J&J one last March
Can you get it from other than your employer?
I work for a hospital & if I get it here it goes into the system & I don't have to supply any paperwork. Technically I am still not on the approved for booster list yet.
Got my Pfizer booster on the 4th of this month. A little soreness where I got the shot on the second day, then nothing in the afternoon or there after.
I was very glad that the Rite Aid only ten minutes from me were giving the COVID-19 vaccinations and boosters, as getting the first two vaccinations early this year was a totally wild and confusing ordeal.
I was very happy to get my Pfizer booster and know that I won't infect my loved ones. And that means everything to me.
A man who can, and does, think for themselves.
Thanks
It's sheer ignorance to refuse a life saving vaccine and to lose your livelihood.
Should be interesting to see how all of this works out. Many unions are fighting the mandates tooth and nail. I wonder if their contributions will continue to flow to Democrats supporting mandates.
Especially when the decision is made from believing some of the bs about as to why the vaccine is a bad idea such as microchips in them and that you become magnetized.
I heard someone (an antivaccer of course) say the vaccines were made from aborted fetuses. My eyes rolled so hard at that, they might have done a 360 degree spin.
I hope you called them out on that bs. I would have.
I did not. Normally, I would. But I was not in the mood to deal with it at the time. I had the distinct impression that anything I said would be ignored.
Not ignorance. Just outright stupidity.
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This is supposed to be America not a country of totalitarian mandates. People who want the vaccine are free to get it but people who don't want the vaccine should also be free to make their own choice. Police are not allowed to take blood from a prisoner without a warrant, because the courts have ruled the act invasive. If breaking the skin to draw blood is invasive then what is breaking the skin to inject an under tested substance?
My and their personal choice to refuse a vaccine is just as valid and important as the personal choice of those who choose to get the vaccine.
Of course people have the right to choose. But when that choice endangers the lives of others which could kill them, then they need to face consequences for their actions.
No one forces you to get a drivers license and drive on public roads, but if you do you have to follow the law. You have to get your vehicle registered, often checking it's emissions before allowed, you have to pass a driving test, you have to follow road safety rules and speed limits.
You can choose to refuse the vaccine, stay home, that's your right. But refusing the vaccine has consequences and means that you can't just go anywhere you want in society, work for the government that hires people to be a front line health or safety worker, and other professions that require being around lots of civilians, without getting vaccinated.
Again, just like that suspect who can refuse to let his blood be drawn without a warrant, you can refuse the vaccine, no one is taking that right away from you. Just like if you happen to have a job that requires mandatory random drug testing (which is legal in most States), you can choose not to work there if you don't want to drug test. If you have a job that requires mandatory vaccinations then you can choose not to work there, no one is forcing you so there are no rights being violated.
And no one is denying you or they those rights. If you choose to work for the government, State or private companies that have implemented mandatory vaccination requirements then you choose to get vaccinated, it's still your choice. To work in my business I had to get a State license and get fingerprinted, I didn't get a choice to refuse that unless I chose not to work in this industry. If I really didn't want to give my fingerprints or get vaccinated then I would choose work that didn't require them because it's still a choice, my personal freedom, and no one has taken that away from anyone.
Just like Kim Davis, the county clerk in Kentucky, who refused to issue a marriage license to gay couples. She had a choice to work there or not, if one of the primary functions of the job you've applied to is to issue marriage certificates you can't just say "Nah, I don't want to even though I'm being paid to perform this work". And the same is true for vaccine mandates, you can't just say "Nah, I don't want to even though I'm being paid to perform a job that requires it".
None of these folk are slaves, they can quit their jobs if they don't want to follow company policy or refuse to do the job they were hired for.
No, refusing to get the vaccine in the middle of a pandemic, while having the right to refuse, is hardly valid. It's stupid, selfish, and irresponsible! If anything, mandates help protect so.e of us from such stupidity. Especially since that stupidity can lead to people dying!