A new Manchin 'No': Amnesty without border security
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Sen. Joe Manchin has presented a new challenge to President Biden's $1.75 trillion social spending package moving through Congress -- objecting to a massive $100 billion immigration agenda that grants amnesty without major border controls.
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The Democrat has begun warning that while he supports aiding so-called "Dreamers" and other immigrants, the bill is a no go if it doesn't also include some type of border security spending.
He told Fox's Bret Baier, for example, "For us to even be talking about immigration without border security is ludicrous."
His comments present House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's team with a new issue that could scare moderate Democrats if they are forced to vote for the plan that includes amnesty for up to 11 million illegal immigrants knowing it won't be included in any Senate bill if Manchin gets his way.
Sen. Mike Braun, the Indiana Republican who is influential in immigration talks, agreed. "I'm with Joe Manchin on that," he told Secrets. "There will be no discussion of reforming, in a bipartisan way, immigration issues, and there are valid ones out there," he added.
Asked if he supports amnesty without border security, @Sen_JoeManchin says "No."
"For us to even be talking about immigration without border security is ludicrous."https://t.co/kz42uslhAU
— Adam Shaw (@AdamShawNY) November 4, 2021
If there are to be talks, he said, "it's got to be on an absolutely secure border."
The expensive Biden package includes a pathway to citizenship many consider amnesty instead of seeking illegals in the country to follow the rules of winning citizenship that millions more have.
"This money is not intended for border security or to fix any of the problems in the dysfunctional asylum system, but to grease the way for more illegal aliens to become permanent residents," said Jessica M. Vaughan, the director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies.
"You would think that Tuesday's election results might dampen the enthusiasm of Democrats for these kinds of actions, but I wonder if it won't make the leadership more radical since they know their time will be up soon," she added.
Manchin sounded a similar warning. He said, "The average person turns on the TV and sees what's going on in the border. And that basically scares the bejesus out of an awful lot of people. If they think they can come and get all the different benefits that people that citizens of America are entitled to, they're going to continue to come."
He added, "I would love to do something for people that came even if they came wrong, pay your fine, get in line, 10 years back, you won't be jumping live, but nobody becomes a citizen until the border is declared secure. So that's not happening."
A prior version of the Biden bill immigration package drew the scorn of the Senate parliamentarian who said it needed to be broken out for separate consideration.
The debate over amnesty comes as Biden is pushing back on reports he plans to spend over $1 billion giving $450,000 handouts to migrants who were separated from their children during a border crossing spike under the Trump administration.
And there is yet another caravan of up to 3,000 illegals headed to the Mexico-Texas border that has prompted Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Elsie Stefanik to demand that Homeland Security enforce border laws.
Today, @RepStefanik and I sent a letter to @SecMayorkas and @DHSgov demanding they enforce federal immigration laws as a caravan of over 3,000 illegal immigrants head toward the southern border. #BidenBorderCrisishttps://t.co/ZV3s8iHPQ7
— Senator Ted Cruz (@SenTedCruz) November 4, 2021
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Original Author: Paul Bedard
Original Location: A new Manchin 'No': Amnesty without border security
Immigration is such a boondoggle that I suspect it's going to take a great big bill to fix things. Both sides are gonna have to give somewhat to get there.
I would not have any major issue with a bill that granted a reasonable pathway to citizenship for every dreamer / unregistered in this country (as of a certain date which should really be before the bill is announced to avoid the border stampede) provided it also beefed up border security, increased officer head counts, increased courts for faster processing and changed immigration to a merit-based system.
Both sides would gain and we would solve the issue of all those people who are in the country now.
We spend 4.9 billion on border security
100 million on improving the immigration system is a non issue.
100 billion for amnesty is negotiable.
as long as they aren't criminals
Within the hordes of illegal border hoppers it's safe to assume there are substantial numbers of career criminals....from run of the mill thieves, to the average murderer, to the traffickers of kids, women, and drugs, and the occasional foreign terrorist.
You know what they say about assuming Greg...
The number of bad eggs pales in comparison to our own home grown citizenry.
Secure the border and no Amnesty and remove all that are not supposed to be here
Pipe dream that every full blood NA dreams of secretly
They didn't and they are still unhappy about it
I would think that border security would be included if there is even a remote chance of amnesty. But that would apply common sense. Something the Democrat's seem to be lacking (among many other things).
Manchin drew a red line.
Border security must be tackled first. Without border security any effort to address the current illegal population would only invite more illegal immigration. And there needs to be recognition that not all the illegal population should be allowed to stay; we can't grant amnesty to everyone here illegally.
A lot of the immigrant population in the country illegally have overstayed their work permits. It would seem that extending those work permits would be appropriate to provide legal status. From there this group can work towards obtaining a green card and begin the process of naturalization. That wouldn't be amnesty; that's just fixing the work permit problem.
Democrats are trying to build in too many shortcuts. That's only going to make the problem worse. Renewing work permits would be quick, easy, and still be within the legal framework of immigration law. And establishing legal status would allow the problem to resolve itself within the legal framework of immigration law. The problem is getting these illegals back into the immigration system; not how to do away with the immigration system.
And you want to argue about semantics?
Gimme a break already.
"...it might be helpful to remember that in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. It was sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers.
But the bill also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty -- a word not usually associated with the father of modern conservatism."
We going for another round of 'Olly Olly in free'?
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Yep, and the democrats in congress (they had complete control) refused to fund the crackdowns... (but made damn sure the "Amnesty" was implemented)
As a result the "Father of Modern Conservatism" refused to make any more "compromises" with democrats....
So a lifelong democrat, and a charter member of the leftist elite, who hates her uncle and accuses him of cutting her out of grandpa's will, has a meme spouting the party hate republicans line?
And that is supposed to mean something?
She is the only decent person in that family.
I believe she believes what she believes!