Can Texas declare a border 'invasion' and return migrants to Mexico?

  

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Can Texas declare a border 'invasion' and return migrants to Mexico?

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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is facing mounting pressure from far-right and   former Trump administration officials   to immediately declare a migrant “invasion” at the U.S.-Mexico border, under a constitutional provision that would allow local law enforcement and National Guard troops to stop migrants at the border and send them back to Mexico.

The federal government is responsible for enforcement of immigration laws. But   a pandemic rule   that has blocked more than 1.7 million migrants attempting to enter the U.S. — Title 42 — is   scheduled to be lifted May 23   by the Biden administration.

Abbott and other officials have said that could cause a spike in migration, with up to 18,000 migrants arriving at the border daily. Already the number of migrants at the southern border increased 33% last month from February to 221,303, according to   figures released Monday   by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. That's 28% more migrants arriving than March 2021. Several thousand migrants   are waiting to claim asylum   in camps just across the border from Texas' Rio Grande Valley.

Former Trump officials at the Center for Renewing America, a conservative think tank based in Washington, are pushing Republican governors in border states to act soon to prevent those migrants from entering the U.S. and to deter others from making the journey. Officials have reached out to Arizona and Texas leaders, arguing that under the Constitution’s “invasion clause” and “states self-defense clause,” states are entitled to define what they consider an invasion and defend themselves by expelling migrants.

Arizona Atty. Gen. Mark Brnovich, a Republican running for U.S. Senate,   released a legal opinion supporting the plan   this year, arguing, "The violence and lawlessness at the border caused by transnational cartels and gangs satisfies the definition of an ‘invasion’ under the U.S. Constitution, and Arizona therefore has the power to defend itself." Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey has demurred, stressing steps he's already taken to secure the border. On Tuesday, he announced a "border strike force" agreement with 25 fellow Republican governors, including Abbott, to combat cartels and other border crime. Texas leaders also have yet to respond publicly to the plan, but local officials say they’re considering it.

“The Trump administration was actually trying to protect the state against the invasion, while the Biden administration has made it worse,” said Ken Cuccinelli, a former Homeland Security official under Trump, now a senior fellow at the Center for Renewing America and one of the plan’s main proponents.

It wouldn’t be the first time states used the invasion clause to confront the federal government over immigration. In the mid-1990s, half a dozen states, including Arizona, California and Texas,   sued the federal government   alleging its failure to stop illegal immigration violated the invasion clause. But federal courts rejected the claims, ruling they were “political questions.”

Simply because the courts didn’t decide the issue doesn’t mean a governor has the power to declare a migrant invasion and start enforcing federal immigration law, said Emily Berman, an associate professor who teaches constitutional law at the University of Houston.

“There’s nothing that gives the governor authority to ‘invoke’ the ‘invasion clause,’ ” Berman said. “It would be a stretch to think that it was up to a governor to unilaterally determine the existence of an invasion.… Even a common-sense interpretation of the word ‘invasion’ does not describe what is happening. Russian tanks are not rolling over the border. That’s what an invasion looks like.”

Texas Atty. Gen. Ken Paxton and Abbott did not respond to requests for comment about the plan this week.

Don McLaughlin, mayor of the south Texas city of Uvalde, said he’s been in regular contact with Abbott's and Paxton’s offices and believes that in coming days, the governor will invoke the invasion clause.

“I have a sneaking suspicion maybe we'll see that within the next week or 10 days,” McLaughlin said last week, based on “conversations I've had with different people that he's going to invoke that clause.”

McLaughlin, who is nonpartisan but “leans Republican,” said he supports using the invasion clause because, “It’s going to give us more powers as citizens and law enforcement in our own state."

He said migrants have been increasingly breaking into local ranches, damaging fences and prompting high-speed chases.

“I think we're all going to be forced to make a stand. In Texas, I think that's coming,” he said. “We are going to enforce the law, even if the federal government won't.”

Invoking the invasion clause would be most significant in Texas, the busiest stretch of the border for illegal crossings for years. Abbott — a former Texas attorney general running for a third term as governor — has stepped up border security in recent weeks and promised at border briefings to take “unprecedented actions.”

At a briefing in the Rio Grande Valley last week, Abbott faulted the Biden administration’s plan to lift Title 42 and said, “It has left Texas to come up with strategies to secure our border.”

“We are going to do what is necessary to ensure we have safe and secure borders,” he said.

During the last year, Abbott has taken increasingly dramatic and costly steps to show he’s tough on border security. He erected a state-funded border fence and launched Operation Lone Star, deploying more than 10,000 state troopers and guard troops to arrest and jail about 3,500 migrants on state trespassing charges at a cost of about $2 billion. This month, Abbott bused migrants to Washington and increased security checks on traffic at the border, prompting massive delays.

But right-wing critics — including challengers Abbott faced in a competitive primary last month — insist he hasn’t done enough to stop the flow of migrants to Texas.

“Operation Lone Star — that sounds so cool, but it doesn’t stop anything. They’re just looking busy,” said Cuccinelli, a former Virginia attorney general who unsuccessfully ran for governor there in 2013, calling the operation “window dressing.”

“There is zero evidence it has done anything to slow the flow across the border” of migrants, he said. “Until you are returning people into Mexico reliably and regularly, you will not slow the flow.”

Expelling migrants from Texas and Arizona would probably send them toward New Mexico and California, pressuring Democratic governors in those states to act too, Cuccinelli said. But he said Abbott needs to act soon to prevent migrants from making the journey, which often takes weeks.

“You have to be delivering deterrence messaging weeks before. The only deterrence that works is some commitment to stopping people from entering the country,” he said.

For Abbott, showing he’s willing to go further than other governors on border security could help him win reelection by the large margin he needs if he wants to run for president in 2024, said Mark Jones, a political science professor at Rice University in Houston. But it also risks providing ammunition to Abbott’s opponent, former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke, a Democrat who would probably attack the policy as racist.

“The more you push the envelope, the more you run the risk of Democrats using your policies to turn out more Latinos, particularly younger Latinos, in November,” Jones said.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Texas and other groups have requested the Justice Department investigate Operation Lone Star since December but have received no response, said Kate Huddleston, a staff attorney with the group. She called the Arizona attorney general’s opinion in support of invoking the invasion clause “outrageous" and “beyond the pale.”

“The administration has repeatedly acted in a racist and anti-immigrant way in order to score political points,” Huddleston said of Abbott. “It would be a very dangerous step for Texas to go down this path.”

This story originally appeared in   Los Angeles Times .


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1stwarrior
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1  seeder  1stwarrior    one month ago

“The administration has repeatedly acted in a racist and anti-immigrant way in order to score political points,

Hey Huddleston - how 'bout reading the U. S. Constitution.  

Article II, Section 8 - The Congress shall have Power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization . . . .To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; . . . . . and To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers

Nope - don't see anything racist nor anti-immigrant listed there.  Only thing I see is where Congress is in charge of regulating and ENFORCING our immigration policies - which this administration has decided isn't important enough to comply with.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago

220,000 in March according to the latest numbers.................SMMFH and it's only going to get worse as we get closer to the ill advised repeal of Title 42.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    one month ago

Got to keep them lib Democrat voter rolls up. Lord knows they are losing enough from already existing rolls that have left the party./sarc

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago
Only thing I see is where Congress is in charge of regulating and ENFORCING our immigration policies - which this administration has decided isn't important enough to comply with.

What immigration policy do you claim 'this administration' is failing to comply with 1st? 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @1.2    one month ago

Which one do you want Dulay?

Take your pick -

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @1.2    one month ago
What immigration policy do you claim 'this administration' is failing to comply with 1st?

Short answer?  ALL. OF. IT.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.3  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.1    one month ago

So even the ones that were repealed?

Seriously 1st, that's a ridiculous reply. 

Just admit you have no fucking clue and move on. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.4  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.2    one month ago

Then the CBP is lying about the statistics they released. Heads should roll...jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.5  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @1.2.3    one month ago

Wash out your mouth and get some visine since we've had this discussion way too many times in the past.

You wanna argue???????  My recommendation would be for you to start your own thread/seed/article since I haven't seen you "discuss" any topic posted on the FP.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.1    one month ago

Yep, Biden and his minions are dead set on creating new immigration legislation, but refuse to enforce the laws already in existence.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @1.2.4    one month ago

Didn't say that.  I said this administration is failing at all levels to secure the border.  CBP, just like every other state's border patrol have been restricted in operations by the federal government (the Biden Administration).

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.8  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.7    one month ago
Didn't say that. 

You sure as hell did. 

I asked a simple question Jeremy:

What immigration policy do you claim 'this administration' is failing to comply with 1st? 

You replied:

Short answer?  ALL. OF. IT.

You CAPITALIZED ALL. OF. IT. 

I said this administration is failing at all levels to secure the border.

That is demonstrably FALSE Jeremy.

ALL. OF. IT. means ALL of the US immigration policy Jeremy.

That means that the CBP statistics on immigration enforcement have to be fabricated because you insist that the Biden administration isn't letting CBP enforce immigration policy. 

CBP, just like every other state's border patrol have been restricted in operations by the federal government (the Biden Administration).

First of all Jeremy, WTF do you mean by 'other state's border patrol'? The only interstate 'border patrol' I am aware of is operated by the California Ag Dept. to prohibit specific plants and animals. 

Secondly, the CBP is an Agency the Federal government's Executive branch, which sets the policy for their operations. I doubt that ANY state would desire an armed Federal Agency acting within its border without restriction. 

Thirdly, please cite the CBP 'restrictions in operations' enacted by the Biden administration. Link? 

Finally, you and yours CHEERED what was a true humanitarian crisis on the border: the Trump/Sessions 'Child Separation' policy. There were countless seeds here supporting that Unconstitutional policy. So, it's pretty fucking hypocritical to pretend like y'all give a shit about enforcing immigration law. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @1.2.8    one month ago

HOLY SHIT!!!  Can you fabricate any more bullshit?  You go all of that from one statement.  That's some serious conspiracy theory shit you're running there.

First of all Jeremy, WTF do you mean by 'other state's border patrol'?

Do you not understand English?  You think Texas is the only border state in the US?

Secondly, the CBP is an Agency the Federal government's Executive branch, which sets the policy for their operations.

And yet you don't see the problem in that statement.  The FEDERAL government is the problem.  

Finally, you and yours CHEERED what was a true humanitarian crisis on the border: the Trump/Sessions 'Child Separation' policy

Never cheered it.  Supported enforcing existing law.  But coming from a member of the group that want's to do away with the law, I can see wehre you went [DELETED] and thought I cheered it. 

Oh, and the "Trump/Sessions 'Child Separation' policy"?  You have a pretty narrow timeline you like to work with.  Do you not remember that it all had been going on under virtually EVERY President?  You don't remember the "Trump Child Separation Photos" were discovered to be taken during the Obama administration?    But lets focus on only the past 5 years because "TRRUUUMMMPPPP".  Pathetic.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.10  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.9    one month ago
Can you fabricate any more bullshit? 

Please block quote the part of my comment that you think is fabricated Jeremy. 

Do you not understand English? 

It quite evident that I do Jeremy. 

You think Texas is the only border state in the US?

No, Jeremy, why do you ask?  

You stated:

'other state's border patrol'

In English grammar, the 's suffix forms a possessive. Since I DO indeed understand English quite well, I read your statement to mean that US states [note that the s at the end of states means 'more than one'] POSSESS their own border patrol. 

Thanks for playing. 

And yet you don't see the problem in that statement.  The FEDERAL government is the problem. 

Yet my statement is truthful and factual, yours is an opinion.

Still waiting for you to cite the fabrication you allege that I posted. 

Never cheered it.  Supported enforcing existing law. 

Oh, my bad for not splitting hairs finely enough for you...

What part of Unconstitutional didn't you grasp Jeremy? 

But coming from a member of the group that want's to do away with the law, I can see wehre you went full retard and thought I cheered it. 

I'll just leave that right here and encourage members to recognize the hypocrisy of those 2 sentences. 

BTFW, the only thing I am trying to retard is the flow of BS here on NT. 

To wit:

Do you not remember that it all had been going on under virtually EVERY President? 

I don't remember it because your statement is false Jeremy. That bullshit was debunked long ago. Try to keep up. 

Ask yourself this Jeremy: If it was going on all along, WHY did Trump/Sessions have to put up tent detention centers to house separated children?

[Jeopardy music]

Is it your posit that EVERY other President built detention centers for adults but ignored the need for detention centers for the thousands of children they separated from their families EVERY fucking year Jeremy? 

Your posit lacks all credulity Jeremy, or to put it as you would, it's fabricated bullshit. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago
Hey Huddleston - how 'bout reading the U. S. Constitution.

Calling something racist trumps anything written in the constitution.  Just like labeling something disinformation trumps anything written in the first amendment.

What a world the left loons are trying to create for us 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    one month ago

If it's an invasion , then the Texas Rangers should be able to shoot the migrants on sight.  No? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago

The Biden/Harris Administration has created a mess on the border, and obviously have no plans to control it ever.

I am sure many Democrats, especially in border states, are just thrilled to be associated with the Administration's policies regarding immigration.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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2.2  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago

Or ...................

Gov. Greg Abbott can just Go the Simple "Secondary Truck Inspection" Route again, to Muck up Mexico........ AGAIN !

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.2    one month ago

Give him time.  Abbott will fuck it up.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    one month ago

Only way he could fuck it up is if he pulled all of the border patrol agents out.......................THAT would be a major fuck up

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    one month ago
Give him time.  Abbott will fuck it up.

Very, very doubtful Abbott could POSSIBLY fuck it up any more than Biden and his Border Czar have already.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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2.2.4  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    one month ago
Give him time.  Abbott will fuck it up.

Brandons already done the F'up thingy. Abbotts trying to fix it. But you'd have to "Read" things in order to know Brandons F'd things up.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.2    one month ago
Only way he could fuck it up is if he pulled all of the border patrol agents out

I thought border patrol agents were federal employees, not state ones.  If true, Abbott would not have the authority to pull them out.

THAT would be a major fuck up

Yet another one by Abbott.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.5    one month ago
If true, Abbott would not have the authority to pull them out.

Didn't say that he has the authority. I said that would be the only way he could fuck it up. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.7  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.2    one month ago

Abbott has no authority over the CBP. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.2.7    one month ago

No kidding, which is why he didn't say that.

Perhaps you'd like to discuss what he did write?

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.9  Dulay  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.2.4    one month ago
Abbotts trying to fix it.

How? 

By costing the state over 477 million per day and the country an estimated $8.97 billion because of the delays he caused with his stunt at the border over just a 10 day period? 

Ya, that's the ticket./s

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.8    one month ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dulay @2.2.9    one month ago
By costing the state over 477 million per day and the country an estimated $8.97 billion because of the delays he caused with his stunt at the border over just a 10 day period? 

It seems hard to get a handle on the true costs.  Google search yields widely ranging cost estimates but I haven't seen any that itemize the costs or provides the cost model used.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.2.9    one month ago

Just think, if this monumental screw up of an Administration had a plan, there would be no need for Abbott to do anything.

What IS the Border Czars great plan?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    one month ago
Give him time.  Abbott will fuck it up.

It only took Biden one day to royally fuck Americans

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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2.2.14  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Dulay @2.2.9    one month ago
By costing the state over 477 million per day and the country an estimated $8.97 billion because of the delays he caused with his stunt at the border over just a 10 day period? 

Sure, why not !

We send 800 Billion + or - to Ukraine, and Billions elsewhere right now. what's another billion or two more gonna damage now ?

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.15  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.6    one month ago
Didn't say that he has the authority. I said that would be the only way he could fuck it up. 

So, since he doesn't have the authority, he can't fuck it up. Brilliant!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.2.15    one month ago

I said that would be the only way he could fuck it up. I didn't say he had the fucking authority. Read all the comments. JFC anything to start up a Goddamned argument right?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.12    one month ago
What IS the Border Czars great plan?

You mean having no plan is not a plan?

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.18  Dulay  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.11    one month ago
It seems hard to get a handle on the true costs. 

I didn't have any problem. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.19  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.17    one month ago
You mean having no plan is not a plan?

Sure worked in Afghanistan................oh, wait..............never mind.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.20  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.17    one month ago

That's the republican plan - no plan

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.22  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.2.15    one month ago

No way he can fuck it up as bad as Biden and Harris have already.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.23  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.20    one month ago

You have quite obviously confused what the Biden Admin. has done with some great plan.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.2.18    one month ago
I didn't have any problem. 

Then perhaps you can provide a link for the class.........................let me help you out

Lot of "estimated" in there..................a lot.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.25  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dulay @2.2.18    one month ago

Perhaps you will share the details behind the numbers that you used.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.20    one month ago
That's the republican plan - no plan

The border was actually pretty under control with he who shall remain nameless so the plan was working.  When you ask about democrat plans you get little Harris gems like "It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down”.  Now that is a plan!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.27  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.26    one month ago
The border was actually pretty under control with he who shall remain nameless so the plan was working. 

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Right Down the Center
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2.2.28  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.27    one month ago

Care to expound on how the border is more under control now than it was or is an emoji the best you can come up with?  You can start by showing how many fewer people are crossing the border illegally since Joe took over.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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2.2.29  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.28    one month ago

Now you're just deflecting, Projecting ........ etc..........etc...........etc.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.30  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.28    one month ago

Care to expound on how the border 'was actually pretty under control with he who shall remain nameless so the plan was working' -under his criminal enterprise of an 'administration'?

What plan was that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.31  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.30    one month ago

Biden is President, and Harris is the Border Czar. 

So, what have they DONE?

What is the PLAN?

Deflecting to past Presidents is not a legitimate answer.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.32  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @2.2.9    one month ago

Got some FACTS to support those numbers?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.33  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.12    one month ago

Who?  VP Harris is "IN CHARGE" of the border mess.  'Course nobody's seen her down at the border - but, hey, that's the way this administration works, eh?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.34  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.33    one month ago

Sure-fire way to stump a liberal:

Ask them to explain what Biden's border plan is and how well it is working.

Nothing but crickets!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.35  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.33    one month ago
Who?  VP Harris is "IN CHARGE" of the border mess.  'Course nobody's seen her down at the border - but, hey, that's the way this administration works, eh?

Sorry, but I must take exception to you using the word "works" connected to the Biden/Harris Mess of an Administration in any way.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.36  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.2    one month ago

That's a Democrat / Biden level fuck up.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.37  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.30    one month ago
What plan was that?

Well, for starters, his plan didn't include allowing millions into the country illegally like Biden is allowing.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.38  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.16    one month ago

Since you claim that the only way for Abbott to fuck it up is unavailable to him, your comment is irrelevant. 

That fact is inarguable. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.39  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.30    one month ago
What plan was that?

The one that had the border in much better shape that it is now.  Care to tell me how the border is better now than it was, or will you just deflect, deny and project like usual? 

I will give you a hint as to what was working though, look at some of Biden's day one EO's and see what he shot down that was working.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.40  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.2.38    one month ago

And WHY are you STILL beating that dead horse?

No need to keep proving  2.2.16 correct.

Most of us already knew it as correct.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.41  Right Down the Center  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.2.29    one month ago
Now you're just deflecting, Projecting ........ etc..........etc...........etc.

Yea, the usual claim when all else fails and they can't use racist or disinformation claims

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.42  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.31    one month ago
What is the PLAN?

Actually I think the plan is to keep Harris far away from the border so she doesn't make it any worse and just let things fly and hope people forget about it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.43  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.2.38    one month ago
Since you claim that the only way for Abbott to fuck it up is unavailable to him, your comment is irrelevant.

As is your opinion of it. And that too is inarguable

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.44  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.24    one month ago

Fuck off. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.45  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.2    one month ago
Gov. Greg Abbott can just Go the Simple "Secondary Truck Inspection" Route again

So you're pissed Aabott is enforcing DOT Regulation?  

to Muck up Mexico........ AGAIN !

if they send trucks across the border to the US they need to adhere to US law.  It's that simple.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.46  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @2.2.44    one month ago

Dulay - please either refrain from your inappropriate language or go to another thread.

Only warning.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.47  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.45    one month ago

So you are ok with him stopping the flow of commerce, that has an impact on not just Texas, just for political points.

And then complain about inflation?

...

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.48  Dulay  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.25    one month ago

Analyst says Texas Gov. Abbott's border snarls cost billions in GDP (axios.com)

The full Perrymann Group report is due out next week. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.49  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @2.2.47    one month ago
So you are ok with him stopping the flow of commerce,

I am OK with enforcing laws.  If that stops commerce because a shit hole country can't meet our standards then so be it.  It means we are safe.  Far more than the Democrats and Brandon are doing.

And then complain about inflation?

You tried.  You failed but you tried nonetheless.  The inflation started before Texas added the inspection.  

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.50  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.49    one month ago

So they all the sudden didn't meet standards? He didn't add additional scrutiny with the goal of slowing the flow?

Obviously you didn't or refuse to understand my comment. Or yes, think this was a good thing to do.

I call that blind partisanship over country.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.51  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.35    one month ago

My apology - wuz thinking of people who care 'bout their jobs.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.52  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.34    one month ago

And deer-in-the-headlights looks.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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2.2.53  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.45    one month ago
So you're pissed Aabott is enforcing DOT Regulation? 

Nope !

Loved what he did.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.54  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.2.48    one month ago

Awesome. Some more estimates to mull over. Thanks for the heads up.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.55  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.46    one month ago

What inappropriate language? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.56  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.2.55    one month ago

You know damned well...................LMAO nice try.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.57  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @2.2.47    one month ago

I mentioned Abbott's fuck up at the border regarding holding up all these goods and perishables destroyed  but was poo poohed of course

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.58  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.56    one month ago

Actually, no, since the same words have been posted multiple times without being ticketed. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.59  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @2.2.58    one month ago

Oh really???  How many times have I had to ask you not to use that language on my threads/seeds/articles??

According to the CoC, I only have to ask you ONE TIME and you "should" comply with my request each time you go to/come to my threads/seeds/articles - yet, even after being asked, you "complain" because "OTHERS" are doing it on OTHER threads/seeds/articles.

I don't give a damm 'bout what is being done on OTHER threads/seeds/articles - I care about what is being done on mine.

Sorry Dulay - I would much rather you not comment on any of my threads/seeds/articles if you continue to use inappropriate language in your comments on those threads/seeds/articles.

Your issue with that request is??????

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.60  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.59    one month ago
Oh really??? 

Yes, really. 

How many times have I had to ask you not to use that language on my threads/seeds/articles??

I don't know, how many? 

According to the CoC, I only have to ask you ONE TIME and you "should" comply with my request each time you go to/come to my threads/seeds/articles

Nope, that's not what it says.

- yet, even after being asked, you "complain" because "OTHERS" are doing it on OTHER threads/seeds/articles.

I asked you a simple question 1st. I didn't 'complain' about ANYTHING. 

I don't give a damm 'bout what is being done on OTHER threads/seeds/articles - I care about what is being done on mine.

So damn isn't inappropriate language. Noted...

Sorry Dulay - I would much rather you not comment on any of my threads/seeds/articles if you continue to use inappropriate language in your comments on those threads/seeds/articles.

You'll have to take that up with the RA. 

Your issue with that request is??????

The judgmentalism and excessive whining. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.61  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.56    one month ago

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Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.62  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.34    one month ago

But but but Truuummmmpp!

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.63  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.59    one month ago

Oh and 1st, the CoC actually does say that as the author, you 'must exercise impartiality when reporting abuse'. 

I note that a conservative member used the 'word that shall not be spoken' and you didn't say a peep about it. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.64  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @2.2.50    one month ago
So they all the sudden didn't meet standards?

It's not all of the sudden.  Pull your head from your 4th point of contact.  It's bee a problem for decades.  

He didn't add additional scrutiny with the goal of slowing the flow?

Actually he didn't.  He put a roadside inspection station in place.  They conduct the same roadside inspections as every other DOT Inspectors conduct.  And with it they have found unsafe commercial vehicles coming from Mexico.  FFS pay attention.

The Texas Department of Public Safety, or DPS, did not respond when asked by CNN if any commercial drivers have been charged with human smuggling or drug-related offenses. As of Sunday, the agency had inspected 2,685 commercial vehicles at select entry ports along the Texas-Mexico border and placed 646 of them out of service for "serious safety violations" which include defective brakes, tires and lighting, it said.     (emphasis mine) .

Obviously you didn't or refuse to understand my comment. Or yes, think this was a good thing to do.

I understood your moronic comment completely.  You just don't fully understand what was put in place and why.  Just because you take party over safety isn't my problem.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.65  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.64    one month ago

Keep telling yourself whatever justifies it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.66  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @2.2.65    one month ago

The justification is 49 CFR.  Have a look.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.67  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.66    one month ago

So you are saying that Abbot wasn't doing his job and then decided to?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.68  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.57    one month ago

Not to be confused with Biden's f#*k ups at the border, which are orders of magnitude worse than Abbott's.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.69  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.68    one month ago

There's that deflection and projection again.  Work on that!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.70  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.69    one month ago

No deflection, just flat out truth. Something you should just deal with.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.71  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @2.2.67    one month ago

And exactly where did I say that?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.72  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.71    one month ago

Everyone knows what he did was nothing more than a political stunt.

Seems you think not.

Claiming he did these things per law. So according to you he was not following the law before and had to do it.

Now that he has stopped, I guess he is breaking the law again?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.73  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.70    one month ago

When I see the flat out truth, I'll let you know.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.74  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @2.2.72    one month ago

So you CAN'T show me exactly where I said Abbott wasn't doing his job.  It's doing the right thing regardless of how you look at it.  Just because YOU think it's a political stunt doesn't change that fact.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.75  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.74    one month ago

So let me get this straight. You said he did this stunt per the law. Then why hadn't he been doing it all along? Why start, do it for a couple of days, then stop.

If it is the 'right thing to do' then why stop doing it?

The right thing to do?

I think you are a minority in that train of thought.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.76  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.73    one month ago

Just make sure you remove your mile wide blinders first...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.77  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.59    one month ago

Are you going to say that to the conservatives? I know I've been tainted by your School Marm nagging but I never see you admonishing anybody but liberals

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.78  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.2    one month ago

Use of language please.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.79  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.77    one month ago

Because it isn't posted on/in the comments of the thread doesn't mean I haven't addressed it otherwise.

'Member PN?  IM?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.80  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.79    one month ago

that's dirty pool. You publicly admonish liberals but you do it privately with your con friends. I guess the word hypocrite is foreign to you

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.81  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.78    one month ago

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Dulay
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2.2.82  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.64    one month ago
You just don't fully understand what was put in place and why. 

Gov. Abbott stated in his news conference:

The new strategies announced today and next week will further strengthen our already robust response to the Biden border disaster, and we will use any and all lawful powers to curtail the flow of drugs, human traffickers, illegal immigrants, weapons, and other contraband into Texas.

As stated in your block quote, NO drugs, human traffickers, illegal immigrants, weapons or contraband were found. So, let's look at Abbott's other claim for the WHY the inspections were instituted:

As you have explained, the cartels that smuggle illicit contraband and people across our southern border do not care about the condition of the vehicles they send into Texas any more than they care who overdoses from the deadly fentanyl on board.

Got that? Cartels are sending unsafe trucks into Texas.

So now, all Abbott has to prove is that 'the cartels' own or contracted the vehicles that the DPS took off the road for broken taillights instead of the documented legal purveyors. Link? 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.83  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @2.2.60    one month ago

Gratuitous profanity and other repugnant language that does not support the point of the comment or is over-used is prohibited.

PROFANITY : Use profanity judiciously and sparingly. It is understood that certain profanity is commonly used but be mindful that it may be deemed a personal attack or personally, offensive to other members.

When asked to refrain from posting a given word or phrase by a fellow member, one is expected to do so.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.84  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.76    one month ago

After you . . . 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.85  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.84    one month ago

Ladies first...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.86  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.81    one month ago

2.2.1 - person is blocked - can't see their comments which is probably why I didn't address.

2.2.44 - should not have been changed - wasn't done by me.  Addressed the person, discussed with Perrie, action taken was correct - ticketed/flagged the comment.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.87  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.80    one month ago

Yo wanna discuss it?  Go to Meta or use PN or IM - not this thread.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.88  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.87    one month ago

I don't really want to discuss it. I was more interested in what you had to say for yourself.

And you know you can always put a disclaimer in your seeds about profanity. That way everyone is warned and if you let one person get away with it then your disclaimer has no teeth

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.89  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.80    one month ago

Did you miss 2.2.78?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.90  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.88    one month ago

Seriously, did not know that - thanks Trout.

Gonna hafta start doing that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.91  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @2.2.75    one month ago
You said he did this stunt per the law.

In accordance with Title 49.  

Then why hadn't he been doing it all along? Why start, do it for a couple of days, then stop.

They've been enforced all along.  Just not focused at the border crossing that seems to have the lefts panties in a wad.  As to why they stopped, you have to ask them.

If it is the 'right thing to do' then why stop doing it?

That's what I'm asking you.  You and a few other seem to be all up in arms because the law is being enforced.  But then again, you and the rest of the left seem to support ignoring law.

I think you are a minority in that train of thought

Is that supposed to matter?   Honestly I could care less if I'm the minority in that.  It's what needs to be done for the safety of everybody.   

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.2.92  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.91    one month ago

Quite a stretch there. No one is for people breaking the law.

Question. If a road block was set up to check every car, you know they are going to find violations.

Does that mean the cops and highway patrol have not been doing their job all along?

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.93  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.83    one month ago
When asked to refrain from posting a given word or phrase by a fellow member, one is expected to do so.

When did you do THAT 1st? 

Post a link. 

Oh, and WHERE is your ONE TIME into infinitum thingy in that block quote?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.2.94  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.83    one month ago

1st,

First of all, if you don't want the use of any profanities, then you have to say that in the first comment in red. You can not declare it mid-discussion.

Second, if you are going to have a rule, you have to apply it evenly. I see plenty of other people cursing throughout this discussion and not just Dulay.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.95  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.94    one month ago

hard to believe anyone that allegedly spent so much time in the service is so sensitive to profanity...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.96  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  devangelical @2.2.95    one month ago

Allegedly???  Surely, you don't wanna go there.

How 'bout 4 years USMC - honorably discharged?

How 'bout 13 years USCG - honorably discharged?

How 'bout 23 years DoD - retired in 2015?

How 'bout it comes from my upbringing with a Chickasaw mother and a German/Dutch father - ya think?

Sensitive?  Nah - respectful. honorable, trusting and guided by all my elders.

So, what was your point other than to "one-line" your lack of a point??

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.97  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.94    one month ago

1st - didn't know I could list it in my "intro" until today - thanks to you and Trout.

2nd - others have been tagged - they apologized - life is good.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.98  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.96    one month ago

Please do not flag a comment you have responded to,

thanks in advance.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.99  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.98    one month ago

Yes'sir - thank you.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.100  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.56    one month ago

If you think that 'the word that shall not be posted by ME' is' inappropriate language', WHY did you use it in this seed even MORE times than I have? 

Oh, and it must be nice that only ONE of your post was 'tagged' though the author claims the others were. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.101  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.97    one month ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.102  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.2.100    one month ago

Mine was a reply in kind referring to someone "screwing" things up. Yours was quite different and a slam/insult to me. Get it now?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago
then the Texas Rangers should be able to shoot the migrants on sight

The baseball team or the state investigative division?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.3    one month ago
The baseball team or the state investigative division?

Both, and anyone else in Texas that owns a gun, which is probably about 99 percent of them.  And when they are done stopping the invasion from the south maybe they could work on the invasion from all the liberals in California moving to Texas and bringing with them the same policy mindset that is causing them to vacate California in the first place.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.3.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.3.1    one month ago
maybe they could work on the invasion from all the liberals in California moving to Texas and bringing with them the same policy mindset that is causing them to vacate California in the first place.

Got the same problem here. A little bit from California but the majority here are from New York and Maryland with some New Jersey lumped in.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.3.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.2    one month ago
Got the same problem here. A little bit from California but the majority here are from New York and Maryland with some New Jersey lumped in.

Hard to understand why someone would leave a toilet and then miss it so much they want to turn where they go to into a similar toilet.  They must miss the smell of shit.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.3.4  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.3    one month ago

Leave the baseball team alone :-)  Based on their record, they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a ball AND bat (2/8, .200%).

 
 
 
charger 383
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3  charger 383    one month ago

 Something must be done to stop foreigners form coming here 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  charger 383 @3    one month ago

Something must be done to stop foreigners form coming here 

Kick them all out except for the Native Americans.....

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    one month ago

Hey Hey now...   my family came from Norway.  You kick us out, where you gonna get your fix of that delicacy Lutefisk?           

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Ronin2
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3.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    one month ago

So who gets to decide what a Native American is exactly?

If you are using Elizabeth Warren standards, then no one is going anywhere.  In fact the US might have to take over Mexico, Central & South America, and Canada to have enough room for all the newly acquired Native Americans. 

If you are using belonging to a Native American tribe. Well that can be a sticky thing; as tribes set their own rules- and membership can be a tricky proposition regardless of DNA.

l

If you go by DNA strictly; then what percentage do you need to remain? You will piss off a lot of Native Americans that are members of tribes by telling them their DNA isn't pure enough.

How about Brandon just enforce our borders and immigration laws to the letter? That way we can avoid all of this dumbassery. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.1    one month ago
 my family came from Norway.

Spent two weeks in Norway.  Stavanger, Oslo and Kristiansand.  Discovered Lakka there.  On my last bottle now.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    one month ago
If you are using Elizabeth Warren standards, then no one is going anywhere.

Harvard's first woman of color has high Native American cooking standards as evidenced in the recipe book she helped with, Pow Wow Chow: A Collection of Recipes from Families of the Five Civilized Tribes.   The family favorite native recipes that she shared include:  Cold Omelets with Crab Meat, Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing, Herbed Tomatoes, Oriental Beef Stir-Fry and Mexican Oatmeal Soup.  Until I read this, I was ignorant of the widespread use of Crab, mayonnaise and oatmeal.  The Oriental Beef Stir-Fry provides further evidence that our Native Americans traveled here from Asia.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.1    one month ago
Hey Hey now...   my family came from Norway.  You kick us out, where you gonna get your fix of that delicacy Lutefisk?

Anyone that can make good Lutefisk can stay.  That work for you?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    one month ago
So who gets to decide what a Native American is exactly?

Really?  That's the best you can come up with?

If you are using Elizabeth Warren standards, then no one is going anywhere.

I guess you missed the articles that showed her taking a DNA test, and it coming back as positive for Native American ancestry.  You know, the one where Trump bet her 2 million that she couldn't prove she was Native American, then refused to pay up when she did?

If you are using belonging to a Native American tribe.

Nope, I feel DNA testing should handle all the proof necessary.

If you go by DNA strictly; then what percentage do you need to remain?

Shouldn't any Native American DNA be enough?  But that would remain up to the Native American governing body.

How about Brandon just enforce our borders and immigration laws to the letter? That way we can avoid all of this dumbassery.

Excellent, I am glad you are admitting that stating that every non-American being kicked out, or blocked from entry, is "dumbassery".

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.5    one month ago

Damn,  I'm gone.   There's no such thing as good Lutefisk..  anybody who says there is is just fucking crazy!!!!!   hehe

man I hate that shit...  loved the rest of those Lutheran Church dinners when I was growing up in WI...   but could not get to like lutefisk...   maybe my family came from southern Norway....   

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.6    one month ago
I guess you missed the articles that showed her taking a DNA test, and it coming back as positive for Native American ancestry.  You know, the one where Trump bet her 2 million that she couldn't prove she was Native American, then refused to pay up when she did?

6-10 generations ago FFS and it was only $1million.

It started with a Boston Globe report, which initially indicated that the test showed she was at best 1/32nd Native American and possibly just 1/512th Native American. After confessing twice to a math error, the Globe corrected the numbers to 1/64th and 1/1024th Native American. That would translate to between 98.44 percent and 99.9 percent not Native American.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.9  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.4    one month ago

You need to learn how to use the "/S" tag.  NA members on NT like "specific" information - not "off-the-cuff" info.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    one month ago
Kick them all out except for the Native Americans.....

Now, THAT certainly sounds like a totally unhinged, idiotic plan!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.6    one month ago
rticles that showed her taking a DNA test, and it coming back as positive for Native American ancestry.

Lol.. A test performed by her own expert showed she has much Indian DNA as as the average American of European descent.  

So by the Warren Standard, the average white person can call themselves native American on job and school  applications.

You realize that DNA test  made her look so bad she deleted the tweet about  it, right? It literally proved the conservative criticism of her. 

u know, the one where Trump bet her 2 million that she couldn't prove she was Native American, then refused to pay up when she did?

So grow up as a WASP and have a possible tiny amount of NA ancestry and suddenly you too are a full fledged "native American!" Suddenly, there are tens of millions more native Americans than there were yesterday. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.8    one month ago
6-10 generations ago FFS and it was only $1million.

So now you admit she had Native American lineage, AND that Trump is a loser and cheater that reneged on his bet.

You see how easy it is to tell the truth when you look up the facts?

BTW, I knew it was just 1 million, just wanted to set a trap for you to jump in head first.  Your proving my 2 million wrong just proved your entire Elizabeth Warren claim as wrong.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.10    one month ago

Now, THAT certainly sounds like a totally unhinged, idiotic plan!

Then you better have a talk with Charger, since it was his plan.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.1.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.12    one month ago
BTW, I knew it was just 1 million, just wanted to set a trap for you to jump in head first.

BTW bullshit. You weren't talking to me when you posted it. That is a borderline lie. And you got fucking caught. And in the range of 1/64 to 1/1024? BFD that ought to get her about $.35 a year from casino income. To use that as "justification" for any fucking thing is ludicrous. But not unlike some people 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.13    one month ago

no, it was your comment.

own it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.14    one month ago

hey, using that "logic", most of us can be classified as white or black, depending on how we identify that day!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
3.1.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.16    one month ago
hey, using that "logic", most of us can be classified as white or black, depending on how we identify that day

 You can be a woman, a man, black  white or Indian depending on the time of day. You can switch at lunch and then back again at dinner. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
3.1.18  charger 383  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.13    one month ago

We keep our citizens

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Expert
3.1.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.9    one month ago

NA members on NT like "specific" information - not "off-the-cuff" info.

Should I have copied and pasted the recipes?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
3.1.20  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.19    one month ago

Warren is not any part of "humor" to me nor to many other NA's on NT.

Not a joking matter.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Expert
3.1.21  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.20    one month ago
Not a joking matter.

Sorry, but I have to laugh at her cookbook, from the cringe worthy book title to passing along a recipe crab recipe with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing as a Cherokee dish.  Where was  the bean bread or Kanuchi or fried cornmeal squash bread or wild onion with eggs instead of  Oriental Beef Stir-Fry?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
3.1.22  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.21    one month ago

That's why, previously, I "suggested" using the "/S" tag.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.23  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.14    one month ago
BTW bullshit. You weren't talking to me when you posted it.

You are correct, I was addressing it to you.  So you, in your eagerness to correct me, proved Ronin was completely wrong.  Which works just as well.

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Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.1.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.23    one month ago

No, no you weren't. You addressed it to Ronin and I happened to read it and respond. Plan your ass hahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.25  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.24    one month ago

Plan your ass hahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA

I would have preferred Ronin to have responded, but apparently HE WAS TOO SMART to fall for it.  Fortunately for me, you butted into the conversation to fall for it, for him.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.1.26  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.25    one month ago
Fortunately for me, you butted into the conversation

Then why in the hell did you just post this??????????

You are correct, I was addressing it to you.

Soooo which is it? And I fell for nothing. She is barely NA according to the DNA test bottom line. Is there a *beep*, *beep*, *beep* sound when you walk back your mistakes without admitting and just going forward?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.27  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.26    one month ago
You are correct, I was addressing it to you.
Soooo which is it?

Should have read "I was not addressing it to you". 

Unfortunately, I have a lot of typos when only using my thumbs.  This wasn't the 1st, and won't be the last.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.1.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.27    one month ago

*beep* *beep* *beep* Walk it back...............there is edit time. 

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Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.29  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.28    one month ago
*beep* *beep* *beep* Walk it back...............there is edit time.

I'd rather admit to my typing mistake and move onward, than secretly try to change it and claim never to have made it.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2  Dulay  replied to  charger 383 @3    one month ago

Close all the International Airports? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @3.2    one month ago

Yeah, gotta keep them foreigners out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Guide
3.2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    one month ago
Yeah, gotta keep them foreigners out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since Liberals are so hot to let anyone in the country maybe they would be able to set up a trade.  For every illegal in the country we send a liberal out of the country.  I hear Russia is looking for some new comrades, and they will even give you a job that travels to other countries

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
3.2.3  charger 383  replied to  Dulay @3.2    one month ago

No, that is where those that come for a vist should go to leave and where those that stayed too long should be taken to for their flight back to where they belong

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.2    one month ago
3 Something must be done to stop foreigners form coming here 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Guide
3.2.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.4    one month ago

Opening the borders doesn't work?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
3.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    one month ago
"Yeah, gotta keep them foreigners out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Just the cartel drug pushers, rapists, sex and kid traffickers, disease carriers, and assorted criminal trash

Most of the fentanyl that's killing so many people comes across the border

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.7  Dulay  replied to  charger 383 @3.2.3    one month ago

Yet you know damn well that we don't have a policy to pursue those that overstay their visas. They FAR outnumber those that successfully cross the southern border every year. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.2.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.1    one month ago

Yep, especially the feral ones as well!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @3.2.7    one month ago
"Yet you know damn well that we don't have a policy to pursue those that overstay their visas. They FAR outnumber those that successfully cross the southern border every year."

EXACTLY!  THANK YOU!

Are those the foreigners that charger referred to regarding 'gotta keep those foreigners out'?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.5    one month ago

You all know I was referring to chargers' remark about the need to keep those foreigners out of the US.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.2.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @3.2.7    one month ago

So the ones overstaying their visas DIDN'T cross the border then? Interesting theory.............Won't hold water but interesting nonetheless

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
3.2.12  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @3.2.7    one month ago

Incorrect Dulay - 

H.R.90 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)

Visa Overstay Enforcement Act of 2021

This bill imposes various penalties on aliens who overstay a visa or lawful immigration status. An alien who overstays shall be fined or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. Such an individual may not be admitted into the United States for 5 years, and may not be granted a visa for 10 years. For subsequent offenses, the alien shall be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both, and shall not be admitted into the United States or granted a visa.

The Department of Homeland Security shall make case-by-case exceptions for aliens who overstay due to medical necessity, public safety, or national security reasons.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/90?s=1&r=5#:~:text=An%20alien%20who%20overstays%20shall,a%20visa%20for%2010%20years.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.13  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.12    one month ago
Incorrect Dulay

Please explain why you think that posting a link to a bill, which hasn't even passed the House, much less become law, proves me wrong 1st? 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
3.2.14  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @3.2.13    one month ago

And you really don't think that the actions listed in the HR are not taking place??

Naive - very naive thinking.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.15  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.14    one month ago
And you really don't think that the actions listed in the HR are not taking place??

Your post insists that my comment was incorrect 1st. It isn't. Your above comment doesn't address the FACT that 'we don't have a policy to pursue those that overstay their visas'.

In FACT, if you had bothered to read HR 90, maybe you'd realize that it doesn't say anything about pursuing those that overstay their visas. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.11    one month ago

You must have missed the word 'southern' in my comment. 

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Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  charger 383 @3    one month ago

Only the illegal ones. I have no problems with the ones who do things the right and legal way.  But the hard core liberal left make zero distinction between the legal and illegal. We've seen that proved time and again since Biden took office.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
4  Ender    one month ago

So I take it we are going to hear about the border endlessly, until the elections.

Then we will still hear about it. The republicans will throw up some bullshit legislation that they know won't pass. Tell the people that see, they tried to work on it and the Dems refuse. They will continue to use it as a political football to try to win the presidency.

Then if successful they will enact some draconian laws that will still never stop all crossings from the border. They will point at any statistics that prove the are right. Complain that the Dems want an invasion, etc.

Meanwhile no sensible approach will be taken.

To think that a hundred year old problem could be fixed by some kind of legislation and the problem will magically be solved is living in a dream land.

I know the responce will probably be well, if it slows the traffic, that is a win.

Meanwhile the problem is still there that the republicans will just use the next election cycle.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @4    one month ago

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Snuffy
Senior Guide
4.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    one month ago
Then we will still hear about it. The republicans will throw up some bullshit legislation that they know won't pass. Tell the people that see, they tried to work on it and the Dems refuse. They will continue to use it as a political football to try to win the presidency.
Perhaps some Democrats will become interested in border security between now and then. Looks like some Democrats are already trying to distance themselves from Biden's disastrous policies.

I don't believe either party wants to solve the border issue and immigration.  It's a useful hammer they can use to hit the other side with to make themselves look better.  So long as party matters more to them and country this will never be resolved and I believe they are fine with that.  They (politicians for those among us who have trouble figuring out who "they" are) really don't care about the American public outside of the votes and money we give them.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.1    one month ago

Sometimes I wish people would leave both parties and stop giving them so much power.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4    one month ago

So true.  SSDD when it comes to that

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
4.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Ender @4    one month ago

“..,the problem is still there that the republicans will just use the next election cycle.”

Just another go to wedge issue. They have neither the will nor desire to address the problem as it is an easy point to drive home to their base. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
4.3.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  afrayedknot @4.3    one month ago

Neither do the Dems/Libs as they are the ones who started us down this road in 1986.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
5  seeder  1stwarrior    one month ago

Shutting down - too much angst in responses.

Thanks for commenting.

Have a Great day.

 
 

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