It doesn't JR, every state looks at it differently Texas 6 weeks to New York doesn't appear to have any limit, so to call abortion murder is incorrect. On the other hand why do prosecutors include the life of the unborn child of pregnant mother when charging someone with a crime if the unborn child dies because of their actions.
No, because the answer is so far beyond your pay grade it isn't even funny.
We haven't progress far enough as a species to know when life actually begins; so erring on the side of caution (instead of emotional BS) would be smart.
Why not follow Western Europe's example in abortions? Since the left love to rave about their healthcare. Germany would be a good example to follow.
In Germany , abortion for any reason is permitted in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy . But the law requires counseling at a state-approved center and a three-day waiting period before the procedure can take place. The European Union’s most populous country, with 83 million people, Germany permits late-term abortions in cases of rape or if the physical or psychological health of the mother is considered at risk of serious harm.
You were saying about Republicans being strict on abortion? I can only imagine the screaming from the left if the US adopted such a plan. Only 12 weeks for any reason; and even then requires counseling at a state approved center; and a 3 day waiting period. The Germans think that the baby is a gun or something.
I've never heard a right to life person say that we are banning abortion to err on the side of caution. They usually say life begins at conception. There is nothing vague about that conclusion.
If abortion is so inhumanly wrong, why does Alito say we will leave it up to the states to decide? That makes no sense.
The answer is that they have no intention of leaving it up to the states to decide, in the long run.
If abortion is so inhumanly wrong, why does Alito say we will leave it up to the states to decide?
Because Alito is a Judge, even though he finds it "inhumanly wrong he realizes he doesn't make the laws, that's not his job. Therefore he has given it to the state to decide. You haven't replied regarding charging someone with a crime if the unborn child dies because of their actions
There have been other SCOTUS decisions that have been made that have overturned over the years. Do you want to go back to the times that before they were?
The conservative position is that the constitution is silent on abortion and therefore up to the people of each state to democratically decide the laws they want to live under.
Interesting question. I am sure you are aware that there are lawmakers who are trying to take away that right, by making it against the law in the nation.
You know that the neither the right to life OR liberty is numerated in the Constitution right? Where does your right to vote and right to travel come from Sean? The Constitution is silent about them too.
In other words, your interpretation of the 'conservative position' on The Constitution is that the (so called) United States should be reframed as the Differential States?
In other words, the Federal government should not have the power to enforce national law for all.
The majority of what we think of as our rights are never mentioned in the constitution and have in fact been established via SCOTUS precedents. Seems a lot of people around here, and just generally, don't actually understand that.
The "states rights" ploy is just the beginning. If abortion is not banned in every state there is no logic whatsoever to the conservative position.
You and I both know that this is not truly about preventing abortion, it is merely about power. Today's republicans want to take rights away from anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Women's rights are just the 1st they are attacking, next will be anyone not white, male, middle aged, poor, and not wearing a red , made in China MAGA hat.
omen's rights are just the 1st they are attacking, next will be anyone not white, male, middle aged, poor, and not wearing a red , made in China MAGA hat.
It's amazing how little effort the abortion zealots are making to actually defend abortion. Instead it's constantly trying to scare people, with idiotic arguments, about some new danger that is sure to come because they can't stand people voting on issues.
What “other” “rights” are supposedly going to be attacked next? What other issue totally off topic to the issue of one killing their baby is next despite their clear language of the draft that clearly states NONE! What kind of pity party are we trying to have here now that federalism rather than one size fits all fascism is about to happen. It is a sheer joy to see the control freaks who want to dictate every thing on their terms to everyone set back at long last. The court could have ruled a constitutional protection for all life and banned almost all abortions in all 50 states and if need be, like if the congress codifies the illegitimate decision in to federal law it should be the next step to up the ante.
And if the idiot who is President and congress even codify the illegitimately decided case, that is exactly what should happen next. Let California and New York live the opposite way as they would try to force everyone else!
Yes. Each state has its own statutes that define when an act is murder or not.
Yes and each state will codify whether abortion is homicide or not. Some will quickly repeal the exemption for abortions or say that it's repeal is implied by the overturning of Roe.
Louisiana's legislature is ready to pass a bill that would prosecute the patient and the provider with murder. How many red states will follow?
Then we have Missouri introducing legislation that criminalizes traveling to another state to procure an abortion. How many red states will follow?
I find it amusing that the anti-abortion protagonists on this thread are pretending that abortion is NOT murder so they can sidestep the logic of this short article.
Anyone who thinks abortion IS murder should object to Alito's stupid states rights bullshit.
BTW, I'm eating a hard boiled embryo and I'm gonna fry it's "mommy" for dinner.
The "states rights" ploy is just the beginning. If abortion is not banned in every state there is no logic whatsoever to the conservative position.
JR where do you come up with this stuff?
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It doesn't JR, every state looks at it differently Texas 6 weeks to New York doesn't appear to have any limit, so to call abortion murder is incorrect. On the other hand why do prosecutors include the life of the unborn child of pregnant mother when charging someone with a crime if the unborn child dies because of their actions.
No, because the answer is so far beyond your pay grade it isn't even funny.
We haven't progress far enough as a species to know when life actually begins; so erring on the side of caution (instead of emotional BS) would be smart.
Why not follow Western Europe's example in abortions? Since the left love to rave about their healthcare. Germany would be a good example to follow.
You were saying about Republicans being strict on abortion? I can only imagine the screaming from the left if the US adopted such a plan. Only 12 weeks for any reason; and even then requires counseling at a state approved center; and a 3 day waiting period. The Germans think that the baby is a gun or something.
You havent answered my question.
I've never heard a right to life person say that we are banning abortion to err on the side of caution. They usually say life begins at conception. There is nothing vague about that conclusion.
If abortion is so inhumanly wrong, why does Alito say we will leave it up to the states to decide? That makes no sense.
The answer is that they have no intention of leaving it up to the states to decide, in the long run.
Because Alito is a Judge, even though he finds it "inhumanly wrong he realizes he doesn't make the laws, that's not his job. Therefore he has given it to the state to decide. You haven't replied regarding charging someone with a crime if the unborn child dies because of their actions
No anti-abortion right winger believes states should decide. If they did, they would be saying that they are not sure if it is wrong.
No anti-abortion right winger believes states should decide.
I believe states should decide and I think abortion is wrong. .
hat tip Sean
Anyone who believes in the Constitution believes the states should decide.
Everyone who believes in the Constitution knows it was already decided on January 22, 1973.
RBG disagreed.
You are 100% correct. There is already a movement to make a law to outlaw all abortions in any state.
Vic are you against the right to choose, or just how it became law?
RBG was not against the right to choose.
That statement is so ridiculous it isn't even worth asking you to support it Vic.
There have been other SCOTUS decisions that have been made that have overturned over the years. Do you want to go back to the times that before they were?
That has nothing to do with Roe v. Wade, does it? Answer: No. Nothing at all.
Never heard of (the states' rights) thing either?
You mean like slavery, segregation?
Constitution was always used to expand rights or freedoms, albeit oftentimes those struggles were long and hard.
This decision, Roe, if overturned, will be the FIRST TIME the court used The Constitution to remove or take away rights.
The latter.
The conservative position is that the constitution is silent on abortion and therefore up to the people of each state to democratically decide the laws they want to live under.
Is the moral judgement of abortion a matter of opinion? So then it is not murder, and may not even be wrong?
We both know that claiming that abortion is a great evil and then leaving it up to individual states to decide if it is allowed makes no sense.
Yes. People have a wide variety of opinions on the matter and most people recognize that.
both know that claiming that abortion is a great evil and then leaving it up to individual states to decide if it is allowed makes no sense.
You really need to read the Alito opinion. You aren't making any sense.
I know very well what Alito said. He is not being honest with the people.
You are acting like abortion is a dry legal matter, but that is not what opposition to abortion has been based on for the last 50 years.
You're saying that states have no rights?
Well, its a Supreme Court case.
So the real point of this exercise is to dismantle the Federal Government.
You could say the same about the death penalty yet states legislate their own laws.
He is making sense.
Interesting question. I am sure you are aware that there are lawmakers who are trying to take away that right, by making it against the law in the nation.
The Constitution is silent on a whole plethora of subjects.
That's an obtuse argument.
Lol. You might want think that through sport.
You first Sean.
You know that the neither the right to life OR liberty is numerated in the Constitution right? Where does your right to vote and right to travel come from Sean? The Constitution is silent about them too.
The constitution never even mentions women.
In other words, your interpretation of the 'conservative position' on The Constitution is that the (so called) United States should be reframed as the Differential States?
In other words, the Federal government should not have the power to enforce national law for all.
Suppose a state wanted to 'install' apartheid?
At the time why would it? They could not vote. In some 'provinces' they could not hold property.
The majority of what we think of as our rights are never mentioned in the constitution and have in fact been established via SCOTUS precedents. Seems a lot of people around here, and just generally, don't actually understand that.
I agree. Not with Alito though.
You couldn't be referring to the MAGA, could you?
This is EXACTLY why the constitution should have mentioned women. The failure to mention women was a betrayal.
Women also fought and died for our liberation from Britain.
You and I both know that this is not truly about preventing abortion, it is merely about power. Today's republicans want to take rights away from anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Women's rights are just the 1st they are attacking, next will be anyone not white, male, middle aged, poor, and not wearing a red , made in China MAGA hat.
It's amazing how little effort the abortion zealots are making to actually defend abortion. Instead it's constantly trying to scare people, with idiotic arguments, about some new danger that is sure to come because they can't stand people voting on issues.
These zealots are nuts.
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What “other” “rights” are supposedly going to be attacked next? What other issue totally off topic to the issue of one killing their baby is next despite their clear language of the draft that clearly states NONE! What kind of pity party are we trying to have here now that federalism rather than one size fits all fascism is about to happen. It is a sheer joy to see the control freaks who want to dictate every thing on their terms to everyone set back at long last. The court could have ruled a constitutional protection for all life and banned almost all abortions in all 50 states and if need be, like if the congress codifies the illegitimate decision in to federal law it should be the next step to up the ante.
Exactly. These people are finally getting what they and we all deserve and need with this decision.
There are no babies being killed, no matter how you try to spin it.
And that is why you people should run away from them as fast as possible. Have a little dignity, you know.
It is!
You and I both know that is exactly where they are going with this shit.
Yup
And if the idiot who is President and congress even codify the illegitimately decided case, that is exactly what should happen next. Let California and New York live the opposite way as they would try to force everyone else!
Yes. Each state has its own statutes that define when an act is murder or not.
Yes and each state will codify whether abortion is homicide or not. Some will quickly repeal the exemption for abortions or say that it's repeal is implied by the overturning of Roe.
Louisiana's legislature is ready to pass a bill that would prosecute the patient and the provider with murder. How many red states will follow?
Then we have Missouri introducing legislation that criminalizes traveling to another state to procure an abortion. How many red states will follow?
But ya, nothing to see here...
I find it amusing that the anti-abortion protagonists on this thread are pretending that abortion is NOT murder so they can sidestep the logic of this short article.
Anyone who thinks abortion IS murder should object to Alito's stupid states rights bullshit.
BTW, I'm eating a hard boiled embryo and I'm gonna fry it's "mommy" for dinner.
It’s not an embryo unless it is fertilized first.
How do you know?