Robb Elementary School Gunman Salvador Ramos Bought Two Rifles on His 18th Birthday, Texas Officials Say
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Via: jbb • 2 years ago • 169 commentsBy: Roger Sollenberger, Rachel Olding, William Bredderman (The Daily Beast)
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
'DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?'
Just hours before the shooting, Salvador Ramos appeared to send cryptic Instagram messages about sharing a "lil secret."
Roger Sollenberger
Political Reporter
Rachel Olding
Breaking News Editor
William Bredderman
Researcher
Updated May. 25, 2022 8:55AM ET / Published May. 24, 2022 8:44PM ET
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UVALDE, Texas—The 18-year-old gunman who opened fire at a Texas elementary school, killing at least 19 kids and two adults, bought two assault rifles on his birthday and appeared to send some ominous Instagram messages just hours before the massacre.
Although Salvador Ramos was described as "quiet" by numerous people who knew him, a young woman who worked with him at Wendy's until March detected an aggressive streak. Several former friends said he had stopped showing up at school and was not going to graduate with the senior class this year.
"He would be very rude towards the girls sometimes, and one of the cooks, threatening them by asking, 'Do you know who I am?' And he would also send inappropriate texts to the ladies," said the former co-worker, who did not want her name used.
"At the park, there'd be videos of him trying to fight people with boxing gloves. He'd take them around with him."
Newsy reported that a neighbor said Ramos, who lived with his grandparents, was angry that he didn't graduate and got into an argument with his grandmother. She was screaming "He shot me! He shot me!" the neighbor recounted to Newsy.
Former friend Santos Valdez Jr., told TheWashington Postthat the two had been close friends until Ramos' behavior started to "deteriorate." He said Ramos, who was often bullied over a speech impediment that included a stutter and lisp, once cut up his own face with a knife "just for fun." Valdez said he first said he was scratched by a cat and then admitted he had done it himself. "Then he told me the truth, that he'd cut up his face with knives over and over," Valdez told the Post, adding that he had messaged over Instagram two hours before the massacre. Ramos didn't open or read Valdez's final message.
Another friend told the paper that he used to egg people's vehicles and shoot random strangers with a BB gun from a car.
On Tuesday morning, authorities say, Ramos shot his grandmother then crashed his car near Robb Elementary School in Uvalde. Police pursued him as he ran into the school wearing a tactical-style vest and carrying a rifle, Texas DPS spokesperson Lt. Chris Olivarez said.
"As soon as he made entry into the school he started shooting children, teachers, whoever was in his way, he was shooting everybody," Olivarez said. Ramos was unemployed and had no criminal history, he said.
The suspect's truck crashed in a ditch.
Marco Bello/Reuters
Hours before the shooting, an Instagram account that appears to have belonged to Ramos sent direct messages to a teenager in Los Angeles, telling her he wanted to share a "lil secret," according to screenshots shared by the recipient, who said she barely knew Ramos but had been randomly tagged by him in photos of guns before.
He said he'd text the person in an hour and she'd have to respond, but she said she might not be awake. The last thing he wrote was, "Ima air out."
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The same Instagram account was deleted shortly after Texas Gov. Greg Abbott identified him as the shooter. It featured photos and stories of semiautomatic firearms—as well as selfies of someone who strongly resembled a photo of the killer shared by the Texas Department of Public Safety. A TikTok account with the same handle and profile picture, also taken offline on Tuesday, featured only a clip of a mobile game and the line "Kids be scared IRL." Both accounts used the bio line TheBiggestOpp.
The Instagram account posted an image three days ago of two rifles, including what appeared to be a Daniel Defense AR-15 with a high-capacity magazine. Another image from April 28 showed someone holding a magazine.
Former high school classmate Nadia Reyes recalled to the Post that he had posted an Instagram story showing himself screaming at his mother—who has not commented publicly—and calling her a bitch as she tried to kick him out the house. "He posted videos on his Instagram where the cops were there," Reyes told the Post. "He'd be screaming and talking to his mom really aggressively."
Days before the shooting, Ramos texted an old classmate photos of a firearm and a bag of ammo, CNN reported. "He would message me here and there, and four days ago he sent me a picture of the AR he was using… and a backpack full of 5.56 rounds, probably like seven mags," the unidentified friend said, "I was like, 'Bro, why do you have this?' and he was like, 'Don't worry about it.'"
"He proceeded to text me, 'I look very different now. You wouldn't recognize me,'" the friend added.
He said Ramos was sometimes bullied for his clothing or his family's finances, and "he just, like, slowly dropped out" of school.
Texas State Sen. Roland Gutierrez told CNN that Ramos, who only turned 18 days ago, purchased two assault rifles on his 18th birthday. It's not clear if they were used in Tuesday's massacre.
The Daily Dot reported that an Instagram friend of Ramos' shared a screenshot with the news outlet that Ramos had sent showing a receipt for a gun he bought from Daniel Defense, a gun manufacturer.
John Morales, who lives next door to Ramos' paternal grandmother, told The Daily Beast that the teen used to play the first-person shooter game Call of Duty with Morales' 15-year-old son. But he said he had not seen Ramos around the neighborhood for quite some time.
Nayeli, an 18-year-old who declined to give her last name, told The Daily Beast late Tuesday that she and Ramos had been students together, but she didn't know him well. "I had a math class with him," she said, adding, "He was pretty quiet in class."
The Wendy's co-worker said Ramos did not seem to socialize much outside his clique of friends—a group she described as "emo" or "alternative."
A woman cries and hugs a young girl while on the phone outside the Willie de Leon Civic Center where grief counseling will be offered in Uvalde, Texas.
Allison Dinner/AFP via Getty
Janie Aviles, a great-grandmother who lives next door to Ramos' paternal grandmother, said Ramos would sometimes help her clean outside her house. "But that was when he was little," Aviles said, holding her hand at chest height. "He hasn't done that recently."
Aviles' son, Gillardo Galindo, a produce packer at Cargill, told The Daily Beast that he would see Ramos approximately "every two months," but said Ramos hadn't been around much recently.
He said that some of his coworkers at Cargill had family affected by the shooting. "When they heard about all this, they had some cousins, you know, or family at the school. They took off when they learned the kids had been shot."
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Inanity noted.
Inanity repeated.
Yawn.
Exactly, you don't see these kind of shootings in the Northeast.
List of shootings in Texas
This is a list of shootings in Texas . This list contains famous homicides committed with firearms and alike within the state of Texas that have a Wikipedia article for the killing, the killer, or a related subject.
Good job, jbb.
I suggest you don't go there
Next? Abbott to propose open carry for Texas K-12?
Please do look into Texas law before suggesting something so far fetched and stupid.
Research? They don't need no stinking research, they got FEELINGS!!!
C'mon, man!
You know Carlson is a trigger!
That's riiiiiight hahahaha
Well that's an easy one, Vic.. 19 good guys with guns sat in the hall while one bad guy with a gun murdered little kids.
Why? They were cowards, for one, and two, all 19 of them were outgunned....by one person. I don't need more than that to be convinced that assault style weapons need to be OUTLAWED.
I am sure that the carnage was done once they got into the school or they would have acted. They knew what room he was in and that he wasn't going anywhere without passing them by. I am quite sure there was a strategy being established in that period of time about what to do and when to do it. And obviously one of them didn't feel "outgunned" and shot the punk ass.
Are you a LEO? Or just a Wednesday morning quarterback?
The guy that shot the punk ass (I like that term) was an off-duty Border Agent..not one of the LEO's on the scene
No, the cops in the hall said they heard shooting and still they did nothing.
Why are you asking me retarded questions?
FFS even the the director of texas security said there is no excuse for 19 cops sitting in a hall doing nothing. He said, "It was the wrong decision".
Bingo.
Point taken but a border agent is still law enforcement and obviously one of the group of 19 that went in maybe?? And obviously he WAS on the scene.................or he couldn't have shot his punk ass.
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It doesn't matter if the carnage was done or not. Lives could be saved. After an hour, not so much.
I am not the subject of the article.
No, he wasn't part of the "swat" team. He was there to pick up his kid
Hadn't heard that. Well I stand corrected on all counts with you three. Thanks for setting me straight. Guess I didn't pay as much attention to detail as I should have.
Have a great long weekend.
I jumped into this late. It just breaks my heart. I cannot imagine the poor kids shot and laying there. Hoping someone would come in and help them.
Help that finally came, an hour after the fact.
Have a great weekend, also
On 21 March 2022, the UCISD Police Department hosted an “Active Shooter Training” at the Uvalde High School. Our overall goal is to train every Uvalde area law enforcement officer so that we can prepare as best as possible for any situation that may arise. We have hosted several of these courses and plan to continue to do so. I would like to thank UCISD Officers Adrian Gonzales, Ruben Ruiz and UCISD Lieutenant Mike Hernandez for instructing the course. Additionally, we would like to thank Dr. Harrell and Mr. Mueller for supporting our plans to keep our children and staff safe. Great job to everyone!!
#UCISDPROUD
I keep thinking different things in my head. Like where was a sharp shooter, it is Texas for God sake.
Maybe I watch too much television but I can't help think someone could train a sniper on his ass and have taken him out.
Well, I want to feel comfortable here too!
I agree on the assault weapons.
It's a wonder that some nut hasn't gone over to Harvard University and blown the heads off of leftist professors.
The only thing that can stop a bad toddler with a gun, is a good toddler with a gun...
See post 2.1.
What are you doing butting in here? I didn't say anything about Russia.
Actually, I posted here first, so it is you butting in.
If you bother to read my post before responding next time, you will see that I didn't say you said one word about Russia.
That makes your little Russia comment rather strange and WHOLLY unrelated to anything I wrote to you or the poster I responded to in 2.1.
No need for your deflection.
Me neither! In fact I pointed that out.
My saying that I didn't say anything about Russia is unrelated to anything you wrote? So you were posting WAS about Russia? Your sentence structure is making this more confusing than ever.
I was talking to JBB about toddler's with guns.
You butted in about something completely unrelated as a deflection.
I responded that you usually don't butt in unless it is a subject on Russia, and I never said anything about Russia.
Now you are saying that my comment, about not mentioning Russia, is unrelated to anything you wrote meaning Russia is somehow part of this????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Otherwise you would have agreed that Russia was never mentioned instead of arguing about it.
You also didn't say anything about lasagna, or baseball, or The Rolling Stones, but I did notice you didn't feel the need to broadcast those facts, so what is so special about Russia to you that you had to point it out specifically?
Basic comprehension would clear up any confusion that you may have about the words in my post.
So would a better knowledge, and utilization, of the English language by you.
I am not here to explain the mundane to those who simply refuse to see.
If you are not here to post comments that others can understand, what are you doing here other than trolling?
Communicating.
It isn't MY problem if someone doesn't understand.
MOST people can understand quite well what I write.
I am not too worried about the others.
Then you're failing at it.
Then whatever you are doing, is not communicating.
MOST people ignore you when you don't make sense.
So basically when you reply to someone, you don't care if they understand. Trolling it is then.
This latest trend some of you have of calling things you simply disagree with, trolling, gets more boring by the day.
All y’all need a new shtick .... that one is as stale as a weak old bagel.
your problems are not my problems.
if you don't understand, oh, well.
its all some have.
Better watch out......they will go back to the old standbys "Russian bot", "comrade", or old faithful, but failed "racist".
Are you particularly handicapped?
I don't think so.
More like willfully not understanding.
I don't care--the rest of readers certainly can understand.
What exactly is an "assault rifle? 26 years in the military and the only people, I've seen, who call a weapon an "assault rifle" are usually ones with very little or no knowledge of weapons.
Doesn't matter what kind of fucking gun it was. Those innocent children and teachers are still dead.
Ok. you can't answer the question.
NEXT!
For some truly strange reason, these people think that if they can show that people who want gun regulations dont know all the nomenclature of weapons that means the gun lovers "win". Nomenclature is meaningless in the context of a massacre.
Doesn't matter what kind of fucking gun it was.
If you want Assault Weapons banned, you have to legally define them.
The purchase, as is usually the case, was legal.
Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute
Then no point whatsoever in calling it an assault weapon, right?
You make the most drab and banal comments on this forum. And its not like there is no competition.
YOUR article mentions it. I want a definition. 26 years in the military and NONE of us called our weapons "assault rifles". We called them what they were:
You want to run a fear mongering campaign, because YOU are afraid of a specific firearm, you need to know what the fuck you are talking about.
But that would ruin the fear mongering and avoiding the actual problem.
I will put this to you as plain as possible. Evey time there is a mass shooting like this, gun advocates say something like "they dont even know what an assault rifle is", as if that assessment is the key factor in determining who is right and wrong.
It doesnt matter if people know the nomenclature of distinction between "assault" rifles and 'military style weapons". Does not matter, and people who claim it matters look foolish.
So you aren't in favor of an Assault Weapon ban.
The innocent children and teachers are just as dead regardless of the fucking 'nomenclature of distinction between "assault" rifles and 'military style weapons"..
Grandpa's 22 is never mass shooter's choice.
No shit.
To ban or regulate something requires that you define it.
So, your saying it's NOT the weapon that's the problem
Yes, they are just as dead. And not one fucking thing Brandon, Democrats, their sycophants in the media, nor their leftist lemming followers have suggested would have prevented it.
But do please continue to try and infringe on rights that are actually enumerated in the Constitution; while going ape shit over protecting rights made up by some unelected career judges out of thin air.
How about Democrats concentrate on stopping shootings in Chiraq, which has some of the strictest gun laws around; before even thinking about trying to do so on the national stage. They can start with actually enforcing the gun laws that are on the books- instead of dropping charges as part of plea deals; or just ignoring them completely. Of course that would take an AG that doesn't coddle criminals.
Can't fix stupid; and Democrats love their criminals.
Gun laws don't do one damn bit of good, just like border and immigration laws, unless they are enforced!
Yet, just last year Texas Governor Abbott signed 7 new laws making it way easier to purchase and own guns. Testing and training requirements were eliminated. Open carry legalized without a license. He even made it illegal to enforce federal gun laws...
“The purchase, as is usually the case, was legal.”
Problem #1…the kid couldn’t buy a pack of smokes, a six- pack, or would have to wait seven more years to rent a car! Yet he can walk in and purchase two weapons that, by any reasoning, have absolutely no purpose other than to kill other human beings. Let’s start there.
We’ve been there, tried that ..... it changed nothing.
Let’s do but let’s not start with a false premise. The “ no purpose but to kill” premise is a false one. Completely false.
Don't know much about actual law, do you?
I don't read your responses. Why do you waste your time.
Take your projection, deflection, and denial elsewhere.
Why are you so hateful and angry and bitter all the time?
I assume that the people in Congress who will write the bills can define it. The rest of us dont have to define it. Using imprecise language to describe a gun by the average non legislator is meaningless. As is your stonewalling.
We don't have to define dead.
No, the medical community has already done that.
Yet there you are responding to him. Why do that unless you want to? Why do that unless you actually read that he replied to you?
Hardly
I guess you wouldn't care how the fucking gun was defined if it was one of your loved ones.
They'd be just as dead, right?
Legally define this . . . . . . .
Hard to tell from here but..............
A series of seven dots evenly spaced.
You are a good guesser, Tess.
“The “ no purpose but to kill” premise is a false one.”
Alright. Do tell how banning such a weapon would significantly impact anyone? And if you can, imagine standing in front of the Sandy Hook and Uvalde parents when you state your reasoning.
You can still own a pistol, a shotgun, a rifle. Just how much firepower is required to justify your position?
It appears we agree that there is more uses that just killing.
More people die each year from cutting instruments (knives) than evil black guns with large magazine capacities. Do we need to regulate those?
Most are killed with handguns with much lower magazine capacity. Should we regulate those? The answer is yes, right after evil black guns are outlawed. And so on and so on.
No civilian “needs” a 30 round mag but right now they are legal to own in most places. There are lots of things free people don’t need and yet they choose to own them just the same. Because they are free to do so.
I know, right?
These bastards and their "facts".
“It appears we agree that there is more uses that just killing.”
No, sir, I was just acknowledging your position. In doing so, the question of just how the banning of ‘evil black guns’ (again so fucking stale) diminishes anyones quality of life remained unanswered …and again and always…try to somehow reconcile the lives lost to such a weapon. Because we have laws? And if that is all you have, can you agree it is passed time to revisit legislative remedies?
OK, do tell how banning such a weapon would actually eliminate it now that there are 10 million AR-15s alone already in circulation. That doesn't count other variations.
An AR-15 is a rifle. What about it makes it ban worthy when other rifles are not?
For the record, I don't own guns. I just think a weapons ban of any degree is not going to get you the results you want.
No, not until legislation already on the books is deployed effectively and universally. You know, that stale old saw.
This kid should have never been in the position to do what he did. Not with all the red flags he presented. Another stale old saw ....
Scary old black guns .... killing fewer people in the US every year than knives Yeah, very scary, shiny old knives.
BULLSHIT!
Not close! Surely you know better than that!
Not even a nice try. How many were killed with the evil black guns you want banned? Talk amongst yourselves and get back to me.
Hint: Firearms, type not stated, doesn’t mean only evil black guns.
Your intent to deceive has been duly noted...
Lol .... there is no deception on my part but their is a serious lack of comprehension on your part of what was actually written.
Right there, for everyone to see .....
Because the AR-15 APPEARS like the M4 (and all it's variants). So in the uneducated minds of the anti-gun crowd, because it LOOKS like an M4 it is exactly the same. Hence they call them "assault rifles". Only there isn't a military in the world using the AR-15.
The mere idea of banning weapons is idiotic. It's completely fear and ignorance driven. The only people that would surrender them are going to be the law abiding. It does nothing to the criminal element (the supposed target of these laws) who constantly obtain weapons through illegal channels.
So you would put the public in a perpetual arms race. My god.
And exactly where did I say that? Or are you just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks again?
Dude.... almost everything these days is fear and ignorance driven. We have no intelligence and no courage.
It all comes down to "xxx thing makes me feel a certain way that I don't like, so you have to stop it".
It's depressing to see what a bunch of spineless candy-asses we've all become.
And for those of us who aren't spineless candy-asses pay the price.
To most liberals, assault rifle can mean anything with a trigger.
This
And I will point out to you that almost every time this happens, some person has to call for a ban on assault weapons without defining what it is they want to ban.
That is banal.
Calling for something to be banned without a definition is just fucking stupid.
Not really surprising is it.
Nope...
expected
Justify to whom? Why does it need to be justified at all? If we all had to justify everything we bought as a "need" we would have nothing.
Nah, he didnt love guns.
He must have mowed a lot of lawns growing up to be able to afford two of those AND 350 rounds of ammo. Holy shit
Are school shootings now cause for ridicule?
Aren't you posting cartoons on it?
What the fuck are you talking about? The kid was 18 fucking years old and had enough money to purchase those two guns and ammo as I said. There was no ridicule.
Seems so; the left started immediately after the shooting; and haven't stopped.
Brandon's speech was as divisive as it gets.
No facts, no clue, no class. Sums up the left perfectly.
I'm certain we can expect a unifying, non-divisive speech from your Dear Leader Shit-for-Brains when he speaks at the NRA convention this week.
Ya! He's so eloquent!
Your typical projection, deflection, and denial.
How cute. You still think Trump is running things.
I ridicule the nihilistic denial that we have a sever gun problem in America and the belief that there is nothing we can do about it...
And you believe your posting of little cartoons accomplishes that?
Alrighty then.
As well you should. I myself ridicule all forms of nihilism; cosmic, epistemological, existential, metaphysical, moral, political and therapeutic nihilism.
I don't, but you certainly do or fervently wish he did. That's why you channel him constantly.
LMAO. I'm not the one deflecting to him. [deleted]
Do I wish he were still running things? Maybe. The country would be running far better than it is now. But Since Trump isn't running shit, this puts ALL responsibility on Biden and the Democrats in power.
Truly pathetic.
It is truly pathetic how the Democrats and Biden have shit all over this country and brought about it's destruction. But at least you aren't seeing mean tweets.
Truth hurts most of the time................................you'll live
Only an idiot would think the problem with Trump is "mean tweets".
No one thinks that is the only problem. We all know there were other things. But those things are magnified by those who are obsessed with the other few faults of the man and magnified times 1000 to justify some sense of moral superiority where there is none. Give it a fucking rest John. FFS it isn't healthy.
On election day in 2016 Trump was a known pathological liar, crook, bigot moron and cheat. Not suspected , known.
He was no more qualified to be president of the United States than a random name taken from the phone book.
People like you have been enabling this travesty for 7 years now.
Meanwhile Biden is boning all Americans and you say nothing.
Now THAT is truly pathetic.
And you have been flailing your arms and burning up bandwidth over something you cannot and could not control for those same seven years. You convinced NO ONE who liked the way he governed to change their minds but STILL you continued making yourself appear as an arrogant fool.
So far that's the only thing you have proof of. NOT A SINGLE ACCUSATION has been proven with any evidence. But that doesn't stop you from your "smoking gun" or "Trumps going down" fiction.
You are so enamored with somebody who has absolutely no effect on your life that you are oblivious to the real damage the current administration is doing. Only an idiot would do that. And no, you can't blame the previous administration for any of this. When Biden showed up on day 1 with a stack of EO's that eliminated any chance of blaming Trump.
So what you are saying is that he was just like every other politician. But, because he beat the other pathological liar, crook, bigot moron and cheat you have been crying ever since.
That's how the system works. He was qualified, he ran, he beat the career politician and the Democrats and the left have not gotten over it.
Hillary Clinton is not even close to being a liar , crook, bigot, moron and cheat on the level of Donald Trump. They are not even in the same universe.
People just like you gave us this plague of Trumpism that has brought this country to its knees.
I'm happy to be at war with your crap.
Hillary Clinton is not even close to being a liar , crook, bigot, moron and cheat on the level of Donald Trump. They are not even in the same universe.
And you want to call me the idiot? Do you not pay attention to ANYTHING going on?
Yet you are the one seeding article after article about him. Most of them inaccurate or just flat out misinformation but, let his name be mentioned and there you are. Mouth agape, drooling and posting it.
Glad you qualified that statement because the woman is a liar, crook, and cheat. I'm iffy on if she's a bigot or not
Whenever I see an article about her or something she said, I cringe.
She needs to fade into obscurity.
Obviously, you are not familiar with the filibuster and how the legislative process in Congress works.
What's pathetic is how insane that comment is.
So what if he did love guns?
There are lots of what YOU classify as "gun lovers" out there, peacefully minding their own business and following laws.
The fact that he may or may not have loved guns is completely immaterial.
So very true... if AR-15's and their like really caused people to go nuts and encourage them to shoot up in public then we would have daily death counts in the 10's of thousands. There's 15,000 (approx) AR-15's out in the public and how many other similar guns. When people toss out phrases like that it's usually a good sign that even they know they've lost the argument but still refuse to admit it.
So it's legal in TX for an 18 year old to purchase firearms?
Listening to the words of the people who knew him it sounds to me like he was suffering schizophrenia or some mental disease. Those types of diseases usually manifest themselves at that age
yes, different states run their gun laws differently. In California you need to be 21 to purchase a firearm, but if you are 18 and have a hunting license then you can purchase a long gun and ammunition.
For this kid, the entire system failed him. From what is being reported, he was falling thru the cracks his entire life. Too many people are either too afraid to speak up or they prefer to ignore the warning signs around them and not bother to do anything. This kid should have been receiving help for years and should not have been allowed to purchase the guns, but because nobody spoke up in advance he was not prevented and this is the end result.
And your point?
Typical lefty response...blame anyone other than the perp, and exploit every tragedy and crisis
Typical nihilist rightwing response. Too Bad So Sad.
Nah, that issue is a left wing problem. Bigly
That's the easy way out. Have you ever known a leftist to to the hard right thing?
So if I decided I wanted to go on a mass shooting spree, what is to stop me? Or even make it mildly inconvenient?
What’s to stop you from ramming your car into a crowd of people?
Nothing. You cannot stop a truly committed gunman if they go out to start shooting.
This is where hardening the site comes in. If given your choice would you rather shoot up a police stations where everybody in there has guns on their hips or an elementary school where there are unlocked doors, big straight hallways and just little children to go up against?
While you cannot prevent every mass shooting spree, what can be done is to make it harder for the gunman to gain access or to be successful in what they are attempting to do. Locked doors, bullet proof (or at least resistant) doors and walls, restricted access to campus. More should be done both in monitoring / screening social media as well as on-going education to people on red flags and why / how they should reach out to help those how exhibit the red flags. Why can't we look at how Israel handles school security and duplicate what might help here.
I do not believe that banning guns will make any real difference in this problem. Let's look at basic statistics. The AR-15 is a subset of the long gun and long guns only account for 3% of the gun deaths in the US according to the FBI. So by banning the AR-15 what will you really accomplish. The school shooting on record with the most deaths and injuries is still Virginia Tech in 2007 and the gunman used two handguns.
As well as gun control legislation. If you try to tout one without the other then fuck off, you aren't at all serious and you just like dead kids. Simple as that.
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That comment is utterly ridiculous.
The technology exists to protect schools and students and teachers.
It can be done with NO legislation.
Now, not supporting that technology in no way makes one like dead kids.
Nothing, really, but, boy!, will they feel good!
What a stupid ignorant obnoxious comment.
There is no doubt banning high caliber high capacity semiautomatic weaponry and its ammunition would save lives. No doubt at all!
Uvalde: AR-15
Buffalo: AR-15
Boulder: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Aurora, CO: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Poway Synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15
IT IS THE HIGH CALIBER GUNS AND AMMO
Sorry you don't understand my comment.
Does banning the gun mean all the guns already in private hands disappear?
That is only an assumption on your part, there is no proof that would be true. What's to say the shooter wouldn't use different guns? After all, the school shooting with the most deaths was done with a pair of hand guns, and Columbine occurred in the middle of the old assault weapons ban. I have hunting rifles that are bolt action with more power than an AR-15. The University of Texas tower shooting was done with Remington 700 bolt-action rifle, a 35 caliber pump action rifle, an M-1, a shotgun and a handgun.
I have no problem with reasonable gun control laws that prevent those who should not have weapons from being able to purchase them but I do not agree that banning any gun will make any real difference in the problem.
I've talked about gun control in other threads. You asked what might stop you or at least make it inconvenient to go on a shooting spree and I answered that question. If you can't respond in line with your own question and all you can do is try to tell me that I like dead kids, all I can respond with is Fuck Off!!!
A hundred and twelve years ago, in 1907...our great grandparents were first able to buy the rifle pictured. The semi-auto Winchester Model 1907.
This is a gun they could buy from a Sears catalogue and have delivered via US Post. It was/ is a semi-automatic, high powered centerfire rifle, with detachable, high capacity magazine. About 400,000 semi-automatic rifles were produced before WW2.
Civilians had hundreds of thousands of these for 40 years, while US soldiers were still being issued old fashioned bolt action rifles. The 1907 fired just as fast as an AR15 or AK47 and the bullet (.351 Winchester) was actually larger than those fired by the more modern looking weapons.. The ONLY functional difference between the 1907 and a controversial and much feared AR15 is the modern black plastic stock. The semi auto, so-called "assault rifle" is 110 years old. It isn't new in any way.
The semi auto rifle was not a weapon of war. The government MADE IT a weapon of war 40 years after civilians had them. The semi-auto can be safely owned by civilians. The proof is that literally 3 generations of adults owned and used them responsibly and no one ever even noticed.
That is even more true today. Most still do own and use guns responsibly but what has changed?
- The breakdown of the family unit
- The deinstitutionalized of the mental health model which moved away from inpatient hospitalization, towards outpatient care and pharmaceuticals
- The proliferation of a biased mass media in all aspects of life.
- The desensitization of killing caused by violence in media, movies, TV, videos games .....
Etc, etc .... none of that became an issue until the last half dozen or so decades and all of it helped get us to where we are today.
All very true, unfortunately.
It’s exactly the same and you responded to me but quoted some one else’s post
I think we need to be more specific about this...
This is about how we raise boys, and the fact that we've taken fathers out of the equation.
No doubt, that appears to be the lions share of problem.
Seems most of the misuse of guns is by teens and young adults that were unwanted, born into a poor situation, parents unable or unwilling to properly raise their children to be good citizens who know right from wrong. People who support gun rights and want to reduce misuse of guns should be strong supporters of abortion.
That is quite a reach but I’m going to agree with you. But for a different reason than you might think. I think abortion is an abhorrent practice for all but the most extreme cases but I also think it is none of a government or other person business.
It’s a liberty thing in both cases. I’ll extend your thought in a different direction though. Pro choice people who are also anti gun are some of the worst of hypocrites that walk this earth. No doubt about that.
I am very pro choice and even more pro Second amendment rights, Both are examples of personal freedom .