'Covington kid' Nicholas Sandmann loses lawsuits against media outlets including NYT, ABC, and Rolling Stone

  

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Via:  tessylo  •  2 months ago  •  136 comments

By:   Mia Jankowicz, Business Insider

'Covington kid' Nicholas Sandmann loses lawsuits against media outlets including NYT, ABC, and Rolling Stone

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'Covington kid' Nicholas Sandmann loses lawsuits against media outlets including NYT, ABC, and Rolling Stone


Mia Jankowicz Thu, July 28, 2022 at 10:24 AM 9ee592cab4e2a57612c807685be250a4 Nicholas Sandmann pictured in a Republican National Convention video from 2021, wearing a MAGA hat.RNC via Reuters

  • Nicholas Sandmann, the former Covington high schooler, has lost a handful of defamation cases.

  • He tried to sue outlets including The New York Times and ABC News over coverage of a 2019 protest encounter.

  • On Tuesday the judge threw the cases out, saying they were based on unverifiable opinion.

Nicholas Sandmann, the teen who appeared in a viral video in an apparent confrontation with a Native American elder in 2019, has lost his defamation lawsuits against several media companies.

A federal judge struck the cases filed by Sandmann against The New York Times, CBS News, ABC News, NBC Universal Media, Rolling Stone, and Gannett on Tuesday, court documents show.

Sandmann's lawsuit was based around statements by the elder, Nathan Phillips, that Sandmann had blocked his path in the encounter — which were widely aired in the media.

In summary, however, Judge William O. Bertelsman said these were "objectively unverifiable and thus unactionable opinions."

Sandmann said in a Wednesday tweet that the ruling was a "disappointment," saying he plans to appeal.

The case stems back to a widely-covered encounter at an Indigenous People's March in Washington, D.C. in January 2019, when a crowd of students from Covington Catholic High — many wearing "MAGA" hats – met with the march in front of the Lincoln Memorial.

One short video showed Sandmann, then 16 years old, standing in front of Phillips with a smile on his face, as Phillips played a drum. The fellow high schoolers Sandmann was with danced and yelled along with the drumming.

The footage was widely shared on social media and on mainstream media outlets, and sparked criticism of Sandmann and the school.

While many commentators interpreted Sandmann's demeanor as smirking and blocking Phillips, Sandmann said he was trying to "defuse the situation" by "remaining motionless and calm,"CNN reported.

Further footage emerged a day later, providing much greater context — including the fact that a separate group of protesters had been yelling offensive terms at the group that Sandmann was standing with, prior to the moment Phillips approached him.

Sandmann filed several lawsuits with news outlets that had sympathetically interviewed Phillips following the encounter. He objected to widely-reported statements by Phillips to the effect that Sandmann had "blocked" him and "would not allow him to retreat."

But the judge said that these are "objectively unverifiable" and so can only count as opinion, which is unactionable in this case, as it is protected speech.

Bertelsman also said: "The media defendants were covering a matter of great public interest, and they reported Phillips's first-person view of what he experienced.

"This would put the reader on notice that Phillips was simply giving his perspective on the incident."

The case came at a time of widespread racial tension, but the judge said his decisions were made "with no consideration of the rancorous political debate associated with these cases."

Since the incident, Sandmann has become a cause célèbre in conservative circles. Sandmann addressed the Republican National Convention in 2020 in apre-recorded speech.

Fox News' Tucker Carlson argued in 2019that the furor wasn't "an argument about facts and evidence and truth. It's an argument about identity," in reference Sandmann's apparently conservative politics.

BothCNNandThe Washington Post, who Sandmann also sued, settled in 2020 for undisclosed sums. Neither outlet admitted any wrongdoing in their coverage.

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Tessylo
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1  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

Nicholas Sandmann pictured in a Republican National Convention video from 2021, wearing a MAGA hat. RNC via Reuters

  • Nicholas Sandmann, the former Covington high schooler, has lost a handful of defamation cases.

  • He tried to sue outlets including The New York Times and ABC News over coverage of a 2019 protest encounter.

  • On Tuesday the judge threw the cases out, saying they were based on unverifiable opinion.

Nicholas Sandmann, the teen who appeared in a viral video in an apparent confrontation with a Native American elder in 2019, has lost his defamation lawsuits against several media companies.

A federal judge struck the cases filed by Sandmann against The New York Times, CBS News, ABC News, NBC Universal Media, Rolling Stone, and Gannett on Tuesday, court documents show.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 months ago
A federal judge struck the cases filed by Sandmann against The New York Times, CBS News, ABC News, NBC Universal Media, Rolling Stone, and Gannett on Tuesday, court documents show.

A settlement has been reached in a lawsuit filed against NBC by Covington Catholic graduate Nick Sandmann.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @1    2 months ago

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

"A federal judge struck the cases filed by Sandmann against The New York Times, CBS News, ABC News, NBC Universal Media, Rolling Stone, and Gannett on Tuesday, court documents show."

The little maga maggot prick lost!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @2    2 months ago

No actually he had already won previously and is now a millionaire. Life sucks don't it?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1    2 months ago

 .... I hadn’t heard that.    Good for him.

He’s already made more money than all the losers here bagging on him.

Hilarious!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1    2 months ago

Why would life suck?  No one knows how much the little prick got from those lawsuits and that includes you!

He lost against all the others.

Now you may FUCK OFF!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    2 months ago
No one knows how much the little prick got from those lawsuits and that includes you!

Forbes reports that he has a net worth of $1M and an annual income of $100K.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.2    2 months ago

You first...

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.1.5  SteevieGee  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1    2 months ago
No actually he had already won previously and is now a millionaire. Life sucks don't it?

Not once he has to pay all their legal fees.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  seeder  Tessylo    2 months ago

"Both      CNN      and      The Washington Post  , who Sandmann also sued, settled in 2020 for undisclosed sums. Neither outlet admitted any wrongdoing in their coverage."

I guess the smug little prick thought he'd be riding the gravy train on these bogus lawsuits.  

CNN and The Washington Post should have never settled with the little maga maggot.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1  Gsquared  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 months ago
CNN and The Washington Post should have never settled with the little maga maggot.

That's for sure.  The settlement amount was confidential, but many of the rightwingers on here claimed he was paid tens of millions of dollars even though, as usual, they knew nothing.  We can expect them to keep up the pretense.

 
 
 
squiggy
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3.1.1  squiggy  replied to  Gsquared @3.1    2 months ago
rightwingers on here claimed he was paid tens of millions of dollars even though, as usual, they knew nothing. 

C'mon - tell us the inside scoop.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  squiggy @3.1.1    2 months ago

No, I'll leave the fairy tales to you.

 
 
 
squiggy
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3.1.3  squiggy  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.2    2 months ago

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Sparty On
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3.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Gsquared @3.1    2 months ago

Lol yeah, the sums paid were confidential because they were so painfully low.  /S

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.5  Gsquared  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.4    2 months ago

You are obviously ignorant about the machinations of the legal system and settlements.  I've been involved with settlements of varying amounts where the settlement is confidential.  I've seen confidential settlements from $10,000 to $10,000 000.  What is your experience in this area?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.5    2 months ago

None directly.

So, were those “low confidential payments” nationally high profile cases against multi billion dollar corporations like NBC?

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.7  Gsquared  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.6    2 months ago

They were settlements with multi-billion dollar insurance companies.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.7    2 months ago

Ah, insurance settlements.

Not even close to the same thing.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.9  Gsquared  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.8    2 months ago

No operative difference whatsoever.  The settling defendant corporations in the Sandman case most certainly had insurance coverage for this matter, and the insurance companies paid for the settlement unless the settlement was within their insureds' self-insured retention (deductible). Libel and slander coverage (defamation) is known as "advertising injury" coverage.  Every media company has "advertising injury" coverage.  

The best assessment from legal experts in the defamation field was that the settling corporations' insurance companies evaluated their exposure in line with the results in the reported case here - no liability - as did the plaintiff's attorneys.  As is not unusual, the insurance companies made a business decision to enter into a settlement, taking into consideration their costs of defense and limited potential exposure.  The plaintiff's attorneys were undoubtedly happy to get whatever they could, despite their PR bravado.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.9    2 months ago

I disagree, in my career our insurance companies paid out several claims. Never were we held to a non disclosure agreement.   Never.

So meh, you know no more about what was awarded than I do.    You think it was low, I think it was high.     This argument is stupid.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.11  Gsquared  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.10    2 months ago

You disagree with what?  I have been involved in several cases where a confidentiality agreement was part of the terms and conditions of the settlement.  You can't disagree with that.  Maybe in your experience you have never encountered a confidentiality agreement, but so what?  That doesn't prove anything.

You think it was low, I think it was high.

Not true.  I have no idea as to the amount of tbe settlement, and neither do you.  I merely indicated what experts in the field have opined, but they do not know the actual amount of the settlement either.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.12  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.11    2 months ago

It's all what they think.  Who gives a fuck what they think?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.12    2 months ago
Who gives a fuck what they think?

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bugsy
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3.1.14  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.5    2 months ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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3.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 months ago
CNN and The Washington Post should have never settled with the little maga maggot.

Covington Catholic graduate Nicholas Sandmann reaches settlement in lawsuit against NBC

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4  Dismayed Patriot    2 months ago

How long do you think it will take for some right wing conservative to claim the judge was somehow corrupt or somehow a judicial activist bent on canceling Religious conservatives in America? Or they will research who he was appointed by and claim that makes them die hard partisans with extreme bias against conservatives regardless of the judges actual record.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4    2 months ago

That's what I'm waiting for now . . . . always the victims . . . 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.2  arkpdx  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4    2 months ago

What does religion have to do with this?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  arkpdx @4.2    2 months ago

The kid attended a church school, and that fact really seems to be sticking in the craws of the religion-hating folks here.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  arkpdx @4.2    2 months ago
What does religion have to do with this?

I take it you didn't hear the religious conservative outcry after this incident? I thought it was pretty apparent to anyone with eyes, a brain and even a smattering of knowledge about it. Since they are the ones now having a judges ruling thrown in their faces after they cheered in unison at the "vindication" of the supposedly spurious claims made by the liberal secular 'MSM' you would think they would be the first ones to bemoan and whine about the recent ruling.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.1    2 months ago
The kid attended a church school, and that fact really seems to be sticking in the craws of the religion-hating folks here.

The fact that he attended a church school only mattered to the religious conservatives who rushed to his defense. Now that their proclamations of justice have been shown premature and foolish clearly they are the ones with something stuck in their craws.

Also, I have nothing against religious folk, I know many of them that are absolutely delightful humans. They are humble, thoughtful and respectful of others regardless of their lifestyles, faith or lack thereof. Sadly, I also know many who think far higher of themselves than they deserve and use their faith as a cudgel to browbeat and coerce others into submission, always trying to force their religious beliefs on others. They are almost always the whiners, forever self-proclaiming themselves victims even while they persecute and discriminate against anyone they have deemed 'sinners', thus they do not deserve any respect or sympathy.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.3    2 months ago
Now that their proclamations of justice have been shown premature and foolish clearly they are the ones with something stuck in their craws.

Which proclamations?  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  arkpdx @4.2    2 months ago

Not a thing, but it's something the left can throw at a wall and see if it sticks. They really do not have much else. They know damn well he has already won a previous round of lawsuits and been awarded a large sum from those. The fact that the kid was in the right, no pun intended, just sticks in the craw of lefties.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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4.2.6  Drakkonis  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.2    2 months ago
I take it you didn't hear the religious conservative outcry after this incident? I thought it was pretty apparent to anyone with eyes, a brain and even a smattering of knowledge about it.

Yes. I recall. I recall that the left leaning MSM made a big deal about the fact that he attended a religious school, Covington Catholic High School, making the fact a part of the smear campaign and prompting the 'religious conservative outcry' to which you refer. 

Since they are the ones now having a judges ruling thrown in their faces after they cheered in unison at the "vindication" of the supposedly spurious claims made by the liberal secular 'MSM' you would think they would be the first ones to bemoan and whine about the recent ruling.

Not sure what you would consider as having the ruling 'thrown in their faces' as consisting of but while you, for one, might expect such a reaction, have you seen one? 

As for me, the MSM acted so egregiously in the effort to produce their narrative of this event, in my opinion, I am baffled by this judge's ruling. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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4.2.7  Drakkonis  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.3    2 months ago
The fact that he attended a church school only mattered to the religious conservatives who rushed to his defense. Now that their proclamations of justice have been shown premature and foolish clearly they are the ones with something stuck in their craws.

An interesting point of view, given that he's already 'won' several cases, even if it they were settled out of court. Further, this is not necessarily the end of the affair. There is an appeals process to think of, for instance. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.2.8  Gsquared  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.5    2 months ago
he has already won a previous round of lawsuits 

No.

awarded a large sum from those

He was not "awarded" anything.  The amount of his settlements is confidential and anyone not involved in the settlements who claims to know the amount of the settlements is engaged in pure speculation.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.2.9  Gsquared  replied to  Drakkonis @4.2.7    2 months ago
he's already "won" several cases

No.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
4.2.10  Drakkonis  replied to  Gsquared @4.2.8    2 months ago
No.

I beg to differ. Even if it was a settlement out of court, I would consider that a win. It seems to me that, had MSM lawyers felt they had a decent chance of winning they would not have settled. 

He was not "awarded" anything.  The amount of his settlements is confidential and anyone not involved in the settlements who claims to know the amount of the settlements is engaged in pure speculation.

Somewhat correct. While the amount would be speculation, since it hasn't been made public as far as I am aware of, one could reasonably assume the amount wasn't small or Sandmann's lawyers would not have settled. 

You, of course, can see it any way you wish to. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.3    2 months ago
The fact that he attended a church school only mattered to the religious conservatives who rushed to his defense.

You know, just because you can type that and apparently believe it, doesn't mean I have to swallow the swill.

Also, I have nothing against religious folk, I know many of them that are absolutely delightful humans.

Sure, whatever you say. I'll just pretend right along with you.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.2.12  Gsquared  replied to  Drakkonis @4.2.10    2 months ago
It seems to me that, had MSM lawyers felt they had a chance of winning they would not have settled.

You are entitled to your opinion, but it does indicate that you may have a limited understanding of insurance claims handling.  Approximately 95% of all claims settle without going to trial.

one could reasonably assume the amount wasn't small or Sandmann's lawyers would not have settled

That is not a reasonable assumption at all.  One could also conclude that Sandmann's lawyers decided they had a potential loser and recommended that their client settle for a nominal sum in order that he receive something rather than incur the time and expense of going to trial and end up gettting nothing.   Or worse, end up with their client owing money to the defendants.  Unless the loss reported in this article is overturned on appeal, their client Sandmann may be liable for all or a large part of the defense costs incurred to date.  As you may or may not be aware, Stormy Daniels lost the appeal of her failed defamation case against Trump and now owes Trump $300,000 as a result.  

Litigation is a risky business.  All experienced legal practitioners, and knowledgeable insurance claims professsionals, carefully evaluate the risks in every case.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.13  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.2    2 months ago
"What does religion have to do with this?"
"I take it you didn't hear the religious conservative outcry after this incident? I thought it was pretty apparent to anyone with eyes, a brain and even a smattering of knowledge about it. Since they are the ones now having a judges ruling thrown in their faces after they cheered in unison at the "vindication" of the supposedly spurious claims made by the liberal secular 'MSM' you would think they would be the first ones to bemoan and whine about the recent ruling."

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They're always bemoaning and whining about something!

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Tessylo
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4.2.14  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.3    2 months ago
"The fact that he attended a church school only mattered to the religious conservatives who rushed to his defense. Now that their proclamations of justice have been shown premature and foolish clearly they are the ones with something stuck in their craws."

BINGO!

They said the snot nosed little bastard would make a killing off of suing all the outlets named and I think it's foolish those who settled out with the punk but the rest of them, NO DICE!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.15  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.5    2 months ago

Obviously 'a thing' to the faux religious and small c christians here no matter how much you blame everything on the 'liberal left'.  Your convenient scapegoat.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.16  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @4.2.9    2 months ago

You are correct as usual, Gsquared.  It doesn't matter what drak considers a win.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.17  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.13    2 months ago

Definition of   bemoan

transitive verb

1 :   to express deep grief or distress over bemoan   the death of their leader
2 :   to regard with displeasure, disapproval, or regret bemoaning   the lack of civility in modern political discourse





Who told you?
 
 
 
squiggy
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4.3  squiggy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4    2 months ago
judge was somehow corrupt

Aw jeez - here comes the Kavanaugh/Barret fan club.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5  Hallux    2 months ago

This is what happens when you ogle pics of Perry Mason and fantasize he's your lawyer.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @5    2 months ago

Is that why I do it?

All that education and even that escapes you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @5    2 months ago

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All that education

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TᵢG
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6  TᵢG    2 months ago
Sandmann said in a Wednesday tweet that the ruling was a "disappointment," saying he plans to appeal.

Get a job and stop trying to get rich through litigation.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @6    2 months ago
Get a job and stop trying to get rich through litigation.

He done both, Forbes estimates his net worth at $1M, annual income $100K while he goes to college.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1    2 months ago

His income is described as coming from part-time jobs while fundamentally a student.

You think a student working part-time jobs would generate $100,000 annual income?  

If he has such an income I would bet it comes predominantly from the money (his $1M wealth) that he 'earned' through settlements.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.1    2 months ago

Forbes reported his annual $100K income is from endorsement and social media deals and the $1M from the settled lawsuits. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.2    2 months ago

And that is something I could believe; he is cashing in on his minor celebrity, not working a job.   Importantly, he is attempting to get rich through lawsuits.

I find that to be slimy.   Do you?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.3    2 months ago
he is cashing in on his minor celebrity

Forbes reported that he had a large social media following prior to the trip to DC, from short music videos and vacation videos. 

he is attempting to get rich through lawsuits.

The lawsuits were filed by his parents, he was a minor. 

I find that to be slimy.   Do you?

I know nothing about him personally.  I subscribe to the WPost.  They assigned a reporter at at about noon on a Sat after seeing an Instagram post and a short, edited video.  Several hours later, the reporter telephone Philips, the NA.  At 5:00PM they published their first story.  They hadn't talked to this kid or any school official on the trip.  They knew nothing about the Black Hebrew Israelites part of the truth.  The headline was something like, It's Getting Ugly, NA Encounter with MAGA Hat Teens'.

Network media and social media outrage followed without any context or much facts.  I nthink that is slimy.  Do you?

 
 
 
squiggy
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6.1.5  squiggy  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.3    2 months ago

"...he is cashing in on his minor celebrity, not working a job."

Every dweezle who has worked for the government, then authored a kiss-and-tell book has done that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.4    2 months ago
The lawsuits were filed by his parents, he was a minor. 

Are you suggesting that he is not in support of this?

I know nothing about him personally. 

I am saying that trying to get rich via lawsuits is slimy.   This has nothing to do with any other factors of this individual.

Network media and social media outrage followed without any context or much facts.  I nthink that is slimy.  Do you?

Leaping to a conclusion by a group to pursue its political or ideological goals is slimy.  If that is the case then yes.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  squiggy @6.1.5    2 months ago
Every dweezle who has worked for the government, then authored a kiss-and-tell book has done that.

What is your point?   Are you suggesting that this constitutes a job?   If so, I disagree.   This is cashing in on celebrity.   

My objection is his litigation activities.

Thus I repeat:

TiG @6 ☞ Get a job and stop trying to get rich through litigation.

Do you support playing the legal system to get wealthy?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.6    2 months ago
Are you suggesting that he is not in support of this?

I've suggested nothing.  Are you asserting that a kid would defy his parents publicly over this?

I am saying that trying to get rich via lawsuits is slimy. 

Do you see all lawsuits as "trying to get rich"?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.8    2 months ago
I've suggested nothing. 

Then why mention his parents if you are not trying to put the blame on them for pursuing wealth through lawsuits?

Do you see all lawsuits as "trying to get rich"?

No.   Generalize much?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.9    2 months ago
Then why mention his parents if you are not trying to put the blame on them for pursuing wealth through lawsuits?

It's a fact.  Why accuse him of attempting to get rich through lawsuits?

Generalize much?

I don't think so.

 
 
 
squiggy
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6.1.11  squiggy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.8    2 months ago

He should get a hard-hitting job like Chelsea Clinton did? Her vast business acumen was worth $700k a year!

 
 
 
squiggy
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6.1.12  squiggy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.8    2 months ago

“Do you see all lawsuits…”

A suit is a means of recovering some devaluation. This pissing all over Sandmann shows he is lesser for the jaded publicity.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  squiggy @6.1.11    2 months ago

Lol .... Chelsea Clinton is Albert Einstein compared to Hunter Biden.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
6.1.14  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.6    2 months ago
I am saying that trying to get rich via lawsuits is slimy.

I agree. So many suits out there aren't for justice but for money. I do not believe that is the case with Sandmann. What the MSM did to him was so egregious in my opinion that he deserves what he can get for punitive reasons alone. I don't know what Sandmann's motives are but, in my opinion, he deserves whatever he can get from them. The MSM deliberately crafted a narrative that had no connection to the truth and did not attempt to ascertain what the truth was. 

That said, had this happened to me, I don't believe I would have settled out of court. The MSM does this crap constantly and intentionally. They need to be held accountable for it and I would do my best to make it happen. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Drakkonis @6.1.14    2 months ago
What the MSM did to him was so egregious in my opinion that he deserves what he can get for punitive reasons alone. I don't know what Sandmann's motives are but, in my opinion, he deserves whatever he can get from them. The MSM deliberately crafted a narrative that had no connection to the truth and did not attempt to ascertain what the truth was. 

That is well-stated and I consider it very accurate.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @6.1.14    2 months ago
The MSM deliberately crafted a narrative that had no connection to the truth and did not attempt to ascertain what the truth was. 

I agree.   But what I strongly suspect is that this is not so much a principled stand but a pursuit of wealth.   It might not be Sandmann driving this (no way to know).   So if it is attorneys churning (or Sandmann driving a churn) I find this to be slimy.

What the MSM did to him was so egregious in my opinion that he deserves what he can get for punitive reasons alone.

There are levels of egregiousness.   I would have much more sympathy for those whose careers have been trashed, whose loved one committed suicide due to false media exposure, the failure of a marriage based on false rumors, etc. than what Sandmann suffered.   I am not suggesting he does not deserve compensation, I just find his damages to be rather low.    There might be facts about this that would change my position, but based on what I know that is my take.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
6.1.17  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.16    2 months ago
I am not suggesting he does not deserve compensation, I just find his damages to be rather low.

It seems to me that is a metric that is rather difficult to determine. Quite a number of the population, thanks to the MSM, is still against this kid. It would be difficult, I think, to determine what effect this will have on his employability going forward, not to mention the social aspects in the future. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.18  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @6.1.17    2 months ago
It seems to me that is a metric that is rather difficult to determine

It is, it is a judgment call.   That is why I offered examples.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.19  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.3    2 months ago
"And that is something I could believe; he is cashing in on his minor celebrity, not working a job.   Importantly, he is attempting to get rich through lawsuits. I find that to be slimy.   Do you?"

Doubtful.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.20  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @6.1.11    2 months ago

Some folks say we have TDS - sounds like you have CDS

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WTF does Chelsea Clinton have to do with this?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.16    2 months ago

What harm did he actually suffer? I forgot about this kid until just now because of this seed.

He needs to grow up, get a real job or join the military. He's gonna end up a career student if he stays in school

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.21    2 months ago
What harm did he actually suffer?

Must be hard to see how the media brazenly lying about him could possibly harm him, eh?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.23  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.21    2 months ago

His reputation was trashed; it was dishonest character assassination by the media.    So I can appreciate the reasoning behind a lawsuit.   What I do not appreciate is moving from getting justice into getting rich.   And that, based on what I have observed, seems to be what is now going on.

So there might be future evidence that justifies continuing lawsuits, but until then my position is that this kid is cashing in on an opportunity and doing so in a slimy manner.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.24  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.23    2 months ago
His reputation was trashed so it was character assassination by the media.    So I can appreciate the reasoning behind a lawsuit.   What I do not appreciate is moving from getting justice into getting rich. 

Something we can agree on.

Tort reform is needed badly is this country but I’m afraid we are going in the opposite direction of that these days.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.25  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.23    2 months ago

I don't appreciate the reasoning behind the lawsuit.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
6.1.26  Gsquared  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.24    2 months ago
Tort reform is badly needed in this country

That's the propaganda talking point of the insurance companies, the moneyed interests, the reactionary right and those who want to deny the average person in America access to justice.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
6.1.27  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.25    2 months ago
I don't appreciate the reasoning behind the lawsuit. 

Did you appreciate the death threats that shut down the school for awhile?  Death threats for the smirk heard round the world.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.1.28  bugsy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.27    2 months ago
Did you appreciate the death threats that shut down the school for awhile? 

Appreciate it?????/

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.29  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.21    2 months ago

I forgot all about the smug little brat too.  Nice to see him get a little what for

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.30  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.26    2 months ago

Typical hive minded drone nonsense from him

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7  Ender    2 months ago

He still looks like a brat.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
7.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @7    2 months ago

Exactly, he should grow scruffy beard.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1    2 months ago

Yes, a nice Lenin style goat would do nicely for them don’t you think?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.2  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.1    2 months ago

We all know who the 'nationalists' are...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @7.1.2    2 months ago

Doubtful .....

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.4  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.3    2 months ago

Doubtful? When they admit it...It seems some people just like to make things up.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @7.1.4    2 months ago

You should put me back on ignore.    This is not going to end well for you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.5    2 months ago

As if anything here ever ends well for you. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.7  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.5    2 months ago

A threat? Funny...

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.8  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    2 months ago

Nothing does except in their imaginations...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @7.1.7    2 months ago

I have him on ignore.  If he's threatening anyone, please flag.  Thank you.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    2 months ago

When you disagree with me, I know it ends well for me.   Almost every time.    

It’s quite comforting so much appreciated John.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @7.1.7    2 months ago

Based on your comments here your judgements of who is and isn’t a “Nationalist” is nearly worthless.

Which actually, that isn’t funny at all.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.12  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.11    2 months ago

Have you ever been in a good mood? At least once in your life? Holy hell dude, being that negative all the time cannot be healthy.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.9    2 months ago

Lol ..... now who’s zoomin who?

The lNTer liberal mafia that’s who .... now that is funny.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @7.1.12    2 months ago

And there’s the personal attack.

Newsflash, just because someone disagrees with you, doesn’t mean they are in a bad mood.

I know that can be a tough concept for the some of the triggered here to grasp but there it is.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.15  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.14    2 months ago

Personal attack? No, just an observation, that you seem to be enforcing...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @7.1.15    2 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.17  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @7.1.12    2 months ago

Some folks just have their panties perpetually in a wad up their butt.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.18  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @7.1.15    2 months ago

Still on ignore - so are you being accused of personally attacking someone?

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devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2  devangelical  replied to  Ender @7    2 months ago

meh, that picture looks like he just found out ma and pa smoked and drank away his last cash settlement, and then admitted to him they were already related prior to their marriage...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @7.2    2 months ago

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Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
8  Hal A. Lujah    2 months ago

I’m sure he’s disappointed.  He may have to get an actual job if he ever hopes to have enough money to afford those Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman tattoos.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
8.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8    2 months ago

One million buys a lot of tattoos.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8.1    2 months ago

Sounds like some folks are just flat out jealous that young Sandman just happened to be in the right place at the right time and won't admit they would not do the same thing for their kid. Give me a break!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @8.1.1    2 months ago

Jealous of what?

Your heroes are losers!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.2    2 months ago

You have absolutely no idea who my heroes are, and you wouldn't recognize them if you did. Have a nice day.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
8.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @8.1.3    2 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8.1    2 months ago

the tattoos were cheap, it was the laser removal process to correct all the spelling errors on them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @8.1.5    2 months ago

Because them maga maggots are so, like, smart

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8    2 months ago

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arkpdx
Professor Participates
8.3  arkpdx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8    2 months ago
He may have to get an actual job 

Loh he will get an actual job. He has gotten and has excellent conservative values that unsure that. Only liberals fall to get actual jobs and expect others to support them. Bernie Sanders is an excellent example of that. He has never held a real job in his life. He is also one of the few people to get kicked out of a liberal commune for not pulling his own weight.  

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
8.3.1  bugsy  replied to  arkpdx @8.3    2 months ago

Hey!!!!!

Didn't you know a social justice or liberal arts degree can get you a good closing manager job at any fast food restaurant of their choice?\

C'mon, man...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.3.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @8.3.1    2 months ago

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arkpdx
Professor Participates
8.3.3  arkpdx  replied to  bugsy @8.3.1    2 months ago

Bernie never had one of those jobs either

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9  Texan1211    2 months ago

Here is what Sandmann did wrong (based on postings)

He wore a red MAGA hat.

He attended a (gasp!) church school.

He wouldn't take being maligned by the media lying down.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @9    2 months ago

All of which are total anathema to the leftist liberal mindset!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
10  Drinker of the Wry    2 months ago

Anyone that watched the entire video saw that the Covington students and Native Americans had been harassed by racist and misogynist Black Israelites.  Phillips lied about trying to mediate between the groups.  He picked out Sandmann as his target, walked up to him to block his path and began beating his drum.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.1  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10    2 months ago

Bang a gong man!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
10.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sparty On @10.1    2 months ago

Get it on, bang a gong, get it on.

Nathan Phillips lied about serving in Vietnam as a Marine walking patrols.  Truth was he was a refrigerator mechanic  in the Marine Corps Reserve, never left CONUS and got out after 4 years  private, E-1, due to his frequent AWOLs.  Several years early he had a similar confrontation with college student.

Nathan lied and the media and Dems bought it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.1.1    2 months ago

A real DD candidate that one .....

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
10.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.2    2 months ago
A real DD candidate that one ....

Maybe a PTSD victim from:

  • Serious accident with a refrigerator
  • Repeated refrigerator IEDs
  • Ice water torture

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.1.3    2 months ago

Chlorinated Fluorocarbon poisoning perhaps?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
10.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.4    2 months ago

While adding to climate change, Nathan is a victim many times over

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.1.3    2 months ago

You forgot huffing freon!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.2  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10    2 months ago

And yet, we had folks here claiming it was Sandmann's fault and that he was smirking at the Indian beating a drum inches from his face.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.3  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10    2 months ago
Anyone that watched the entire video saw that the Covington students and Native Americans had been harassed by racist and misogynist Black Israelites.  Phillips lied about trying to mediate between the groups.  He picked out Sandmann as his target, walked up to him to block his path and began beating his drum.  

There lies the problem. Much of the media never bothered to show the whole story, and many just jumped on the chance to rag on someone with a MAGA hat  and attended a church school.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
10.3.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @10.3    2 months ago
and many just jumped on the chance to rag on someone with a MAGA hat  and attended a church school.

It supported the narrative that their viewers wanted to see.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.3.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.3.1    2 months ago

Yep, made absolutely no difference that he was a minor at the time and he had a red MAGA on and was still fair game for the looney left.

 
 

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