Texas sheriff opens criminal investigation into Martha's Vineyard migrant trips

  

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By:   Carmen Sesin and Tim Stelloh

Texas sheriff opens criminal investigation into Martha's Vineyard migrant trips
Several Latino civil rights groups are calling for a criminal investigation into the flights of migrants to Martha's Vineyard by Fla. Gov. DeSantis.

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A Texas sheriff said Monday that his office has opened a criminal investigation into Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' unprecedented move to send nearly 50 migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, last week.

Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar said the inquiry was in its early stages, and he declined to name possible suspects. But in a news conference, he said: "Everybody on this call knows who those names are already."

Salazar said it was not clear whether any laws had been broken, but he said that 48 migrants appeared to have been "lured under false pretenses" into staying at a hotel for a couple of days before they were flown to Florida and Martha's Vineyard.

"They were promised work," he said. "They were promised the solution to several of their problems."

He said a recruiter was paid a "bird dog fee" to gather roughly 50 people around a San Antonio migrant resource center.

The asylum-seekers, most of them Venezuelan, were then taken to the posh Massachusetts island "for little more than a photo op or a video op, and they were unceremoniously stranded in Martha's Vineyard," Salazar said.

Salazar said his office's organized crime investigators would handle the investigation.

Immigration advocates and lawyers called for a criminal investigation into DeSantis' effort to move the migrants under a $12 million program aimed at relocating "unauthorized aliens" to what his administration has described as "sanctuary" jurisdictions.

In a statement Monday, a spokesperson for DeSantis said that Florida had helped the migrants access "greener pastures" in a place with more resources after they'd been "abandoned" in Bexar County.

DeSantis and his administration have previously denied breaking any laws with the program, and at a news conference Friday, the governor said he would "spend every penny" he could on it.

The League of United Latin American Citizens, or LULAC, offered a reward of $5,000 for information that leads to the identification of the person who misled the migrants. "Wanted" posters have gone up around San Antonio.

"It's one of the most cruel political stunts I've seen in my lifetime," LULAC President Domingo Garcia said.

Garcia said LULAC has spoken to several asylum-seekers who said a woman named "Perla" told them they were going to Boston and promised three months of work and free housing.

Garcia, who spoke with about a dozen migrants on Martha's Vineyard last week, said Monday that "Perla" gave them a map with an "X," marking a refugee center, which ended up being an empty parking lot.

Attorneys representing 30 of the 48 migrants have asked the Massachusetts attorney general and the federal government to open criminal investigations. They said their clients "were induced to board airplanes and cross state lines under false pretenses."

Immigration advocates, as well as Democrats and the Biden administration, say transporting migrants is dehumanizing, and they accuse Republicans of using people for political stunts as calls for a criminal investigation grow.

Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, tweeted that "the Department of Justice needs to investigate Governor DeSantis for using fraud and deception to lure people out of state only to abandon them without fulfilling his false promises. Same for Greg Abbott. They're engaging in human trafficking."

Since April, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, has bused migrants released from federal immigration custody to Washington, D.C., New York City and Chicago. He accuses President Joe Biden of being too lax on migration. A month later, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, also began transporting migrants to Washington, D.C.

DeSantis sent two planes carrying migrants to Martha's Vineyard on Wednesday.

The Florida Immigrant Coalition, a statewide coalition for more than 65 organizations, is investigating whether federal funds were misused when DeSantis sent the migrants to Martha's Vineyard and whether there is room for litigation.

"We are disgusted," co-Executive Director Tessa Petit said. "We're doing everything we can to make sure this does not repeat again."

Many of the migrants are asylum-seekers who have fled socialist countries, like Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua, where daily life has become difficult under authoritarian regimes.


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Hallux
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1  Hallux    one week ago

This seed has been up for 8 hours and nary a comment ... one would think that 'owning the libs' would have turned this quietness into a violent storm of character assassinations.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1    one week ago

patience, probably not enough time for all the death threats from the trumpsters to materialize...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1    one week ago

+Projection, deflection, and denial . . . . 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.1    6 days ago

man, I hate being right about trumpfucks all the time...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    6 days ago

That reminds me of some horror movie - I just can't think of it now - about hating being right about such things

- in this instance - such deplorable alleged human beings yet not being surprised when it happens

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1    one week ago

Yes, it was a very provocative seed, wasn't it?

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
1.2.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    6 days ago

It lacked the deliberate provocativeness of your seeds. [Deleted]

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1.2.1    6 days ago

[removed]

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
2  Greg Jones    one week ago

I'm sure DeSantis ran this by the lawyers first.

And...here it comes...."what about" all the surreptitious middle of the night fly ins of immigrants all over the country by Biden?

Shouldn't that be investigated too? 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2022/09/20/new-poll-while-battling-sanctuary-city-officials-abbotts-texas-lead-grows-further-n2613284?utm_campaign=rightrailsticky3

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Greg Jones @2    one week ago

If Abbott is guilty, than Biden is the greatest human trafficker in the world. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1    one week ago

Correct!

 
 
 
George
Freshman Silent
2.2  George  replied to  Greg Jones @2    one week ago

Technically Biden has authority to move migrants under threat of force. DeSantis does not. Just wait, this story will go from, they got on willingly, to DeSantis’s evil stormtroopers loaded them onto the “trains” like Hitler.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
2.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  George @2.2    one week ago

"Technically Biden has authority to move migrants under threat of force. DeSantis does not."

Can you explain that....in technical terms?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
2.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  George @2.2    one week ago
Just wait, this story will go from, they got on willingly, to DeSantis’s evil stormtroopers loaded them onto the “trains” like Hitler.

The liberal mouthpieces are already on that.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
PhD Guide
2.2.3  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.1    one week ago
Can you explain that....in technical terms?

Technically the Federal Government is in charge of immigration enforcement under the purview of Homeland Security. During the Obama Administration, AZ tried to enforce immigration and got spanked in court. The Sherriff of Mesa County ignored multiple federal court rulings and was charged with crimes. He only escaped prison by a last dodge Trump pardon.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Silent
2.2.4  George  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.1    one week ago

When Arizona tried to interfere in immigration, Obama sued and won. Federal authorities have sole discretion over immigration. So DeSantis can’t force relocation like the Feds can, but what he has the absolute right to do is relocate people voluntarily to another location like Newsom did to the homeless when he was mayor of San Francisco.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Silent
2.2.5  George  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.3    one week ago

Thank you, I replied before seeing your comment. You summarized it perfectly.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
2.2.6  dennissmith  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.3    one week ago

The Federal Government has allowed the border to be non secure despite what Kamala says.

Failure to do what they are charged with is dereliction of duty and the voters will cast them aside as unable/unwillingly to apply the law

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
2.2.7  Greg Jones  replied to  George @2.2.4    one week ago

Key word being "voluntarily"

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  dennissmith @2.2.6    one week ago
The Federal Government has allowed the border to be non secure despite what Kamala says.

Allowed?  When was the last time the border was secure?  How do you secure a 2,000 mile stretch of mostly uninhabited terrain?

 
 
 
gooseisback
Sophomore Silent
2.2.9  gooseisback  replied to  George @2.2.4    one week ago
DeSantis can’t force relocation

He Didn't.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.8    one week ago
How do you secure a 2,000 mile stretch of mostly uninhabited terrain?

You build a wall............

 
 
 
evilgenius
PhD Guide
2.2.11  evilgenius  replied to  dennissmith @2.2.6    one week ago

There is no way to secure the border. There never has been and there never will be short of a significant militarization of our boarder and waterways. This would also be extremally expensive, politically unpopular and a huge private land grab by the government. The whole "border wall" bullshit is nothing more than a bizarre & and expensive propaganda tool. It's less than a band-aid on a extremally complex issue.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.11    one week ago

Tell these guys that................

 
 
 
evilgenius
PhD Guide
2.2.13  evilgenius  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.10    one week ago
You build a wall............

You support the government seizing all that private land for your wall? It's not much of a wall if people can walk around the end of it. Even if a complete wall would happen, it has to be monitored and maintained. Then again they could then still go around it unless we also start mining and patrolling our border waterways. How much do you want taxes to increase to pay for this? 27 miles of the Berlin Wall didn't work for the Soviets - 2000 miles is exponentially more difficult. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.14  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.10    one week ago

You build a wall............

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Because in the history of the world, a wall has always meant perfect security????  There are videos of 12 year old children climbing Trump's wall, which is currently rusting away in the areas that it was installed.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.12    one week ago
Tell these guys that................

Did you even bother to read your own linked article????

"Walls are public relations exercises where governments demonstrate that they are actually doing something," Vallet said. "They usually create more problems."

They aren't built because they work, they are built because the ignorant sheeples think the government is doing something.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
2.2.16  dennissmith  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.8    one week ago

According to Kamala the border is secure. Are you saying she is a liar?

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
2.2.17  dennissmith  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.11    one week ago

Kamala said the border is secure. Are you calling her a liar?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.7    one week ago

Ya!  Some morons are claiming that these folks that were promised jobs and opportunities - volunteered, that they weren't just being dumped somewhere without notifying anyone 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.10    one week ago

Like Steve Bannon?

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.20  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.10    one week ago
"How do you secure a 2,000 mile stretch of mostly uninhabited terrain?"
"You build a wall............"

What Ozz said!

Also see 2.2.19

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.15    one week ago
"Tell these guys that................"
"Did you even bother to read your own linked article????"
"Walls are public relations exercises where governments demonstrate that they are actually doing something," Vallet said. "They usually create more problems."
jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif Some folks do that all the time.  Who do they think they're fooling?
"They aren't built because they work, they are built because the ignorant sheeples think the government is doing something."

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.14    one week ago
There are videos of 12 year old children climbing Trump's wall,

According to some, you just walk around the end. Why are they climbing? And give me the time it takes to climb over merely walking in anytime. I have also seen video of people who climbed the wall falling once they got to the top and they didn't stick the landing very well.

Ya gotta admit. It sure as hell slows them down. Have you seen pictures of some of those like in Turkey?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.22    one week ago

Oh Ya, you gotta admit, it slows them down.

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Problem solved!

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Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.24  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.22    one week ago
Ya gotta admit. It sure as hell slows them down.

Does it?  a $100 Sawzall from home Depot also takes down Trump's wall (fence).

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
2.2.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.14    one week ago
ory of the world, a wall has always meant perfect security???

What a stupid argument. Do nothing unless you get the perfect result?  

This is why we have a disaster on the border and that kills hundreds of people each year. Democrats justify doing nothing because no system will ever by 100% successful and never allow a breach. So just do nothing, let whoever wants to enter the country  and pick up the bodies is the Democrats response.   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.26  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.2    one week ago

What happened was that the border state Governors found a way to get the open borders in the news. The radicals on the left have become very aggressive in recent years. Now it's about smearing or prosecuting opponents and intimidating everyone else.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.2.27  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.24    one week ago

Exactly, and the Department of Homeland Security estimates that only 750 migrants have died along the southern border so far this year so no crises, no need to do better.  After all, what's a thousand dead migrants a year.  Not worth the expensive cost of improving border security, right?

 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.28  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.25    6 days ago
What a stupid argument. Do nothing unless you get the perfect result? 

So now you are admitting that a wall will not create a secure border.  I suggest you talk to "Just Jim NC TttH". he thinks it does.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.29  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.27    6 days ago
Exactly, and the Department of Homeland Security estimates that only 750 migrants have died along the southern border so far this year so no crises, no need to do better.

If you want to make that point, you will need to compare those numbers to previous years.  Please do so, or stop coming up with arbitrary bullshit to deflect to.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.30  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.24    6 days ago
Does it?  a $100 Sawzall from home Depot also takes down Trump's wall (fence).

Do many poor, broke aliens carry sawz-alls with them?

If walls and fences don't work, why does Biden's Administration put them up to protect Congress, SCOTUS, and the President?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.31  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.24    6 days ago

Not the bollards at the Arizona border that are just sitting, rusting, in stacks. $250 to 500 Million worth that we are stuck with and more than likely still paying the job cancellation penalties on. They are square/rectangular "tube" filled with concrete. And pretty damned close together. And "sealed" top and bottom.

And, much like Corten steel, it will rust but only to a certain extent. That's why Corten was used by artists for their "sculptures". It rusts and looks good rusting so no need for coatings.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.32  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.30    6 days ago

And actually, didn't the administration start construction back up?

Why yes, yes he did.

Oh and before we get the "only to fill the gaps" bullshit, why bother? Because it is a deterrent that's why.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.33  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.29    6 days ago

Not arbitrary bullshit as you can see......................

and reported 247 migrant deaths in fiscal year 2020, lower than any year since 1998. [3] US Border Patrol recorded 557 southwest border deaths during fiscal year 2021 and 748 in the first 11 months of fiscal year 2022, the most deaths ever recorded

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.34  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.29    6 days ago
If you want to make that point, you will need to compare those numbers to previous years.  Please do so, or stop coming up with arbitrary bullshit to deflect to.

It took almost 5 seconds to look it up on Google.

Here, since yours is apparently broken:

At least 650 migrants died crossing the US-Mexico border this year - CNNPolitics

People Die Trying to Get to America - Foundation for Economic Education (fee.org)

Stopping Migrant Deaths | NNIRR

Look, I get the current clownshow of Biden/Harris is vastly entertaining and all, but the facts are that more are coming, encouraged by Democrats and their foul policies. That means more will die attempting to enter illegally.

Nothing arbitrary about it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
2.2.35  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.28    6 days ago
now you are admitting that a wall will not create a secure border.  I s

I'm admitting it, like any other system, will not have 100% success rate.   The idea that you shouldn't do something because it will only reduce harm and not perfectly solve every problem is dangerous, callous and idiotic. The trifecta!  

Do you oppose all gun regulations because they don't perfectly stop all gun crime?  

It's simply preposterous to claim with a straight face that since we can't stop every single one of the record breaking amount of migrants illegally crossing and dying at the border we should do absolutely nothing to make things better.

 
 
 
evilgenius
PhD Guide
2.2.36  evilgenius  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.32    6 days ago
Because it is a deterrent that's why.

I'm not sure what you mean by deterrent. The idea is to get migrants to go to specific areas that are more heavily patrolled and monitored. How well that works is also up for debate.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.37  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.33    6 days ago

Isn't it amazing what a few-second-search will turn up compared to merely bitching about facts and trying to derail?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.38  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.30    6 days ago
If walls and fences don't work, why does Biden's Administration put them up to protect Congress, SCOTUS, and the President?

I'm sorry, but some questions are just too stupid to reply to.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.39  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.33    6 days ago
Not arbitrary bullshit as you can see......................

You just cannot stop with the failing can you?

Your border Patrol link is for 2018 and earlier, does not even speak to what we were talking about.

Your 2nd link states in the article:

Southwest has been plagued by a series of heat waves and is experiencing what’s believed to be its worst drought in 1,200 years, and extreme heat exposure has been a common cause of migrant deaths along the border in the past.

So you are now blaming Biden for not fixing the worst drought in 1,200 years?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.40  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.35    6 days ago
I'm admitting it, like any other system, will not have 100% success rate.

I notice that you have completely ignored the rest of my reply where I point out that it was "Just Jim NC TttH" making the claim that a wall would have secured the border.

Do you oppose all gun regulations because they don't perfectly stop all gun crime?

Do I?  No. 

Do republicans?  Yes.

Do you equate an illegal immigrant, with the loss of a child's life to gun violence?  Because that is what you are doing.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.41  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.39    6 days ago
So you are now blaming Biden for not fixing the worst drought in 1,200 years?

Don't put words in my comments number one. You don't know WHAT I am claiming. Number two, tough shit. Deaths are deaths and that was the fucking topic. I don't give two shits what the cause was. If it weren't for his administration's policy or lack thereof, those people wouldn't be there. Not my problem nor is it Mother Nature's. 

The second link was to provide what the first did NOT cover timewise because I realized it only covered thru 2018 but I guess that must've somehow been missed. The only reason I posted link one was because it was the official CPB stats.

You got your proof.

And in your 2.2.40, I never claimed it would stop it all. Did you not see where I posted "It would be a deterrent

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.2.42  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.19    6 days ago

That asswipe is going to prison for "raising" funds for the wall

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.43  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.42    6 days ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.44  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.38    6 days ago

Never have I seen that be the case for some

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.2.45  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.29    6 days ago
you will need to compare those numbers to previous years

2021 - 557

2020 - 247

2019 - 300

2018 - 283

2017 - 298

2016 - 329

2015 - 251

2014 - 315

2013 - 451

2012 - 471

2011 - 375

2010 - 365

2009 - 420

2008 - 385

2007 - 398

2006 - 454

2005 - 492

2004 - 328

2003 - 338

2002 - 320

2001 - 340

2000- 380

1999 - 249

1998 - 263

DHS acknowledges that these numbers are lower than actual deaths.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.2.46  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.38    6 days ago
I'm sorry, but some questions are just too stupid to reply to.

Inconvenient answers.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.47  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.46    6 days ago
Inconvenient answers.

Or inability to answer truthfully?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.48  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.40    6 days ago
Do republicans?  Yes.

That is a blatant falsehood.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
2.2.49  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.45    6 days ago

Good Job Drinker, though don't you think one would need to take into account that the worst drought/heat wave in 1200 years is also upon them? 

It is a messy subject, and what i find really interesting is that without this influx of migrants, legal or illegal, believe we would find us in a serious labor shortage. The pussy ass generations of late, won't work, least of all work hard, with quite a minority proving different. This country is in serious trouble, imho

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.50  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.41    6 days ago
I don't give two shits what the cause was.

Yet you are trying to Blame the Biden administration.  Since your own news link equates the increased death rate to the drought, the answer is yes you are trying to blame Biden for it.  You cannot have it both ways.

And in your  2.2.40 , I never claimed it would stop it all.

Moving goalposts time, huh?  The problem is that you did make that claim, and here is the link to that exact claim .

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.51  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.50    6 days ago
You cannot have it both ways.

I can have it both ways. What didn't you understand about "If it weren't for his administration's policy or lack thereof, those people wouldn't be there"? 

Moving goalposts time, huh? 

Still a nope. I said build a wall would secure the border. Nowhere did I say it would stop it completely. But it would be a hell of a lot harder to jump the border. If you build a wall and they can't or don't cross it, that would mean a port of entry would need to be used and the bullshit excuses would make sure they went "back home".

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
2.2.52  Split Personality  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2.49    6 days ago

217 years of "open borders".

The first 13 mile section of fence/wall 60 feet apart was constructed in 1993 under Bill Clinton.(D)

Congress only authorized George Bush (R) to complete 700 miles of a single obstacle

which was completed under Obama.(D)

The "border wall" issue has only become a political football in the last 30 years.

Trump exploited it and his supporters attempt to slander the current Democrat

based on political scare tactics.  Nothing less, nothing more.

Like many "records" COVID gave Trump a record low year for "border issues" followed by then record years for the same.

Good point about the current heat wave and drought.

For a perspective on the "southern border crisis" read about the Bracero project,

where Congress permitted and encouraged Mexican laborers to come to the USA 

in 1942. The program was extended twice and did not end until 1964.

It proved impossible to put the cork back into that bottle as the people with family on

both sides of the border had increased cross border traffic to higher and higher

thresholds.  30 years later the first section of wall went up in essence to stop criminal

activity along the San Diego-Tiajuana border, not immigration.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.2.53  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.52    6 days ago

Try 1986 - Dems lie big time to the President 'bout assisting in curtailing/"illegal immigration".

  In an effort to halt unlawful crossings and unauthorized workers, the IRCA also approved increased border security resources, including higher budgets for the Border Patrol and the Department of Labor.  The law aimed to secure the U.S.-Mexico border against illegal crossings with new surveillance technology and a bigger staff.

So, what happened?  The Dems DID NOT PROVIDE THE FUNDING/SUPPORT THEY PROMISED REAGAN.

Yeah, I know - old news - typical behaviour of the Dems.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.54  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.51    6 days ago
If it weren't for his administration's policy or lack thereof, those people wouldn't be there"? 

So did Trump's administration have a policy?  Because, you know, those people were still there......

I said build a wall would secure the border. Nowhere did I say it would stop it completely.

So you are not moving the goal posts, you are attempting to completely redefine the words you used....jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.55  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.54    6 days ago
So did Trump's administration have a policy?

It was called "Remain in Mexico" and Biden and his handlers even fought Judges to get rid of it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.56  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.54    6 days ago
Because, you know, those people were still there

Numbers.....sheer huge numbers difference..............he was in the process of getting that wall progression a hell of a lot farther. And they knew his policies as he was going into office. THAT slowed them down because they knew he wasn't fucking around.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.57  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.55    6 days ago

It was called "Remain in Mexico" and Biden and his handlers even fought Judges to get rid of it.

And yet we still had illegal immigrants, which blows another one of "Just Jim NC TttH's" theories.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
2.2.58  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.53    6 days ago
So, what happened?  The Dems DID NOT PROVIDE THE FUNDING/SUPPORT THEY PROMISED REAGAN. Yeah, I know - old news - typical behaviour of the Dems.

Can you support these comments, or are these just "learned emotional partisan memories" and sweeping generalizations?

Your link pretty much dispels this myth and paints Chuck Schumer the hero.

Although the Bill called for a 50% increase in funding Border Patrol which at the time numbered less than 4,000 members, even Reagan knew that approval by Congress was not guaranteed.

512

US border apprehensions (usafacts.org)

Again, in 1975 there were only 1745 Border Patrol increased to 3700 under Reagan,

1.69 million apprehensions in 1981 (Reagan) 

1.62 million apprehensions in 1999-2000 ( Bush )  

Obama increases BP to 20,000 in 2009 and hovering around 21,000 until 2017

when, due to plummeting apprehensions and budget cuts, agents were reduced to

19,000.

BP faces further budgetary reductions under Trump, COVID hits and apprehensions 

fall for a year. Trump emphasized the wall as the solution but by  2020 apprehensions are back up to 1.66 million.

Currently there only 19,648 BP agents performing 2 million apprehensions a year

The BP itself blames global inflation and changing weather patterns for contributing to the failure of several communist countries like Nicaraqua, Venezuela and Cuba for a wave of immigration across the Western Hemisphere.

Now please feel free to discuss facts, not party, opinions or emotions.

Thanks

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.2.59  Ender  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.57    6 days ago

What gets me is when they play the donald was a tough guy meme.

Like immigrants and refuges are listening to US politics.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.60  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.56    6 days ago
Numbers.....sheer huge numbers difference..............

Are you moving the goalposts this time, or still redefining the words you used?  You said:

If it weren't for his administration's policy or lack thereof, those people wouldn't be there"?

NOW you are saying they would be there, no matter the policy.  Have you ever made a claim that you've stood by, or is it a constant backpedaling with you?

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
2.2.61  dennissmith  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.40    6 days ago

According to Kamala the border is secure. Is she telling the truth or lying? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.62  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.39    6 days ago
"Not arbitrary bullshit as you can see......................"

"You just cannot stop with the failing can you?

Your border Patrol link is for 2018 and earlier, does not even speak to what we were talking about.

Your 2nd link states in the article:

Southwest has been plagued by a series of heat waves and is experiencing what’s believed to be its worst drought in 1,200 years, and extreme heat exposure has been a common cause of migrant deaths along the border in the past.

So you are now blaming Biden for not fixing the worst drought in 1,200 years?"

Some just keep digging even after you've, and you always do, handed them their ass.

Just keep digging and digging and digging - jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

Never an 'I was wrong', NEVER

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.63  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.50    6 days ago
"I don't give two shits what the cause was."
"Yet you are trying to Blame the Biden administration.  Since your own news link equates the increased death rate to the drought, the answer is yes you are trying to blame Biden for it.  You cannot have it both ways."
"And in your  2.2.40 , I never claimed it would stop it all."
"Moving goalposts time, huh?  The problem is that you did make that claim, and here is the link to that exact claim ."

jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif See post 2.2.62

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.64  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.60    6 days ago
"NOW you are saying they would be there, no matter the policy.  Have you ever made a claim that you've stood by, or is it a constant backpedaling with you?"

The latter

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.65  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.60    6 days ago

No I am saying that the numbers now are huge compared to when the former administration was in office. 

NOW you are saying they would be there, no matter the policy

Again, not in the numbers they are now. Don't you ever tire of telling people what they mean instead of reading what they wrote? I know I know. It's the old argue for argument's sake..............and it's tiring as hell and is the equivalent of constant "nuh uh" bullshit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.66  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.65    6 days ago
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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.67  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.65    6 days ago

It appears that you are the one engaging in the 'nuh uh' bullshit.  

jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.68  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  dennissmith @2.2.61    6 days ago
According to Kamala the border is secure. Is she telling the truth or lying? 

Well it isn't and she knows it. One has to wonder with the apprehension of 78 at the border that are on the terrorist watch list, more this year so far than the last five years combined, how many more slipped through the cracks and are among us this very day...........................

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.2.69  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.62    6 days ago

2022 - 750 thus far

2021 - 557

2020 - 247

2019 - 300

2018 - 283

2017 - 298

2016 - 329

2015 - 251

2014 - 315

2013 - 451

2012 - 471

2011 - 375

2010 - 365

2009 - 420

2008 - 385

2007 - 398

2006 - 454

2005 - 492

2004 - 328

2003 - 338

2002 - 320

2001 - 340

2000- 380

1999 - 249

1998 - 263

DHS acknowledges that these numbers are lower than actual deaths.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.2.70  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.63    6 days ago

The drowning of a Guatemalan girl in the Rio Grande this week was but the latest tragedy in a region where migrant deaths are on track to double compared to last year.  That wasn't from draught.  

The number of migrant arrivals reported along the U.S.-Mexico border in fiscal year 2022 surpassed 2 million in August, an all-time high driven in part by unprecedented levels of migration from Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, according to government data published Monday.

Draught or no draught, more attempted crossings means more deaths.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.71  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.70    6 days ago
Draught or no draught, more attempted crossings means more deaths.

Bingo......................

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.72  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.70    6 days ago
Draught or no draught, more attempted crossings means more deaths.

1138 in Trump's 4 years. 1307 so far under the Biden administration in a year and 8 months.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.73  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.65    6 days ago
No I am saying that the numbers now are huge compared to when the former administration was in office.

That's what you are saying NOW.  That is NOT what you said earlier'

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.74  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.72    6 days ago

1307 so far under the Biden administration in a year and 8 months.

You ARE blaming the climate and the drought on Biden.  You just did it again, despite saying you didn't the last time.  Aren't you getting dizzy!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.75  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.73    6 days ago

It IS what I said earlier.............

" Numbers.....sheer huge numbers difference"

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
2.2.76  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.74    6 days ago
You ARE blaming the climate and the drought on Biden

No. Here let me help you. I am blaming the Biden administration for the sheer number of migrants on the southern border period. As pointed out in 2.2.70 above...................................

"Draught or no draught, more attempted crossings means more deaths."

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Participates
2.2.77  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.40    yesterday
Do you equate an illegal immigrant, with the loss of a child's life to gun violence?  

I equate illegal aliens with hundred of thousand deaths of Americans do to smuggling toxic drugs across the border.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Silent
3  George    one week ago

Show of hands! Who here is dumb enough to think a sheriff in Texas has any jurisdiction over an action that occurred in Florida? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  George @3    one week ago

Jurisdiction, no. But he can start an investigation with the federal gov.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    one week ago
But he can start an investigation with the federal gov.

Bingo...

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    one week ago
Salazar said it was not clear whether any laws had been broken,

This is just another leftist moron on a fishing expedition.

I am sure the people of his jurisdiction will love him wasting their money. Instead of using it to stop criminals in Bexar County.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    one week ago

I see you are in a state of perpetual projection.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one week ago
"Bingo..."

Bango

Bongo

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.2    one week ago
This is just another leftist moron on a fishing expedition.

It's not even that.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  George @3    one week ago
Who here is dumb enough to think a sheriff in Texas has any jurisdiction over an action that occurred in Florida? 

"(DeSantis's)  office released a statement Tuesday morning backing the decision to send the migrants, who had been at a center in Bexar County, where San Antonio is located , to Martha's Vineyard".

" Javier Salazar, the sheriff of Bexar County, where San Antonio is located, said in a news release Monday that his office is investigating whether the migrants were victims of crimes"

"What we understand is a Venezuelan migrant was paid a bird-dog fee to recruit 50 migrants who were then were lured — and I will use the word 'lured' under false pretenses — to staying in a hotel for a few days, then taken to an airplane where they were flown to Florida and then Martha's Vineyard under false pretenses of being offered jobs," Salazar said. "For what we can gather, a little more than a photo op, a video op, and then they were left there."

DeSantis defends Martha's Vineyard migrant flights after Texas probe opens : NPR

" Authorities in Texas are investigating Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over an operation to fly 50 migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts last week"

Texas sheriff opens criminal probe into DeSantis operation to fly migrants to Martha's Vineyard | Fox News

These migrants were taken from Bexar County so the crime was committed in this Sheriffs county and thus is his jurisdiction. Just because the plane touched down in Florida briefly before heading to Martha's Vineyard doesn't mean the possible crime jurisdiction origin would change.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
3.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2    one week ago

No crime was committed.

 
 
 
evilgenius
PhD Guide
3.2.2  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.1    one week ago
No crime was committed.

And you know that how? Have you interviewed the migrants? Have you talked to their lawyers? Have you talked to those that gathered them and put them on the plane? Should this Sherriff interview you? You seem to have a lot of answers but are short on details. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
3.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.1    one week ago
No crime was committed.

Let me re-phrase, "These migrants were taken from Bexar County so the potential crime was committed in this Sheriffs county and thus is his jurisdiction."

Potential crimes are investigated to see if a crime was in fact committed. This Sheriff has opened a criminal investigation to do just that.

The point was over jurisdiction which clearly this Sheriff does have.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.3    one week ago

I wonder why those migrants didn’t think that they could make a good life in San Antonio.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
3.2.5  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.1    one week ago
No crime was committed.

He trafficked people across state lines under false pretense.....for one. 

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.2.6  Revillug  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.5    one week ago

Dangling false hope to desperate people might qualify as coercion.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3.2.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Revillug @3.2.6    one week ago

I’m surprised that they wanted to leave San Antonio, it’s a very nice city with significant Hispanic history, culture and majority Hispanic population.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Revillug @3.2.6    one week ago

Doesn't false hope equate to outright lies with this?

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.2.9  Revillug  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.8    one week ago

Right…lies. I think it was a lawyer on NPR that said the promises of jobs and housing could very well qualify as coercion. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
3.2.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Revillug @3.2.9    one week ago
ink it was a lawyer on NPR that said the promises of jobs and housing could very well qualify as coercion

Lol.  A left wing lawyer with no access to a dictionary makes an asinine statement.

If that's coercion, a lot of democrats are going to be charged with murder for "coercing" migrants into fatal border crossing attempts. 

750 some this year alone I believe.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.5    6 days ago
He trafficked people across state lines under false pretense.....for one. 

Prove that.

Shall I wait?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
3.2.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.11    6 days ago

I'd pack a lunch if I were you. Prolly gonna be awhile

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.2.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.5    6 days ago
He trafficked people across state lines under false pretense.....for one. 

Wrong again.  Every one of them VOLUTNERRED to be moved to Massachusetts.  They even signed documents stating:

I agree to hold the benefactor or its designed representatives harmless of all liability arising out of or in any way relating to any injuries and damages that may occur during the agreed transport to locations outside of Texas until the final destination in Massachusetts.

Now don't let that hinder you digging up proof of your statement.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
3.2.14  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.13    6 days ago
Every one of them VOLUTNERRED

AFTER they were told there were jobs and housing waiting. That's the "false pretense" part... just so you understand, they were lied to in order to get them to go. You know, lied to? 

Personally, I think blue states should send all their landfill garbage to red states. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.2.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.14    6 days ago

I see you couldn't dig anything up to back up your statement.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.2.16  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.14    6 days ago

New York's famous "Shit Train" could be diverted to Texas!

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
3.2.17  afrayedknot  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.1    6 days ago

“No crime was committed.”

The new gop slogan…and it fits on a bumper sticker…

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @3.2.17    6 days ago
“No crime was committed.” "The new gop slogan…and it fits on a bumper sticker…"

It goes well with jbb's new gop slogan on another one of his articles - 'trump, not as bad as Hitler'

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
3.2.19  Freewill  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.5    16 minutes ago
He trafficked people across state lines under false pretense .....for one.

Well more than 50 undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers (hundreds of thousands) have been flown or bussed all over the US to other cities and across state lines by the Federal Government and by local State and city governments for many years, often with little warning and putting a tremendous strain on the local resources in those destination places.  I think it is fairly reasonable to suggest that people and leaders who designate their cities as “sanctuaries” for undocumented immigrants should help accommodate them, especially since it is their intent not to cooperate with Federal immigration law/enforcement.  

And from Revillug at #3.2.6

Dangling false hope to desperate people might qualify as coercion.

Indeed not appropriate, but not as though it wasn't being done since March 2021 already by the Biden Administration , and still is.

The Biden administration is restarting what are known as “lateral flights,” in which  migrants crossing into the U.S.  from Mexico in one area are transported to another part of  the border   and often sent back into Mexico from there, according to two immigrant advocacy groups familiar with the government’s decision.

The practice has been criticized by immigration advocates who say it makes some immigrants believe they will be able to stay in the U.S., only to find themselves expelled into an area of Mexico where they have no connections or resources to help them.

“We should not be summarily expelling asylum seekers without any hearing but certainly should not also be increasing the cruelty and trauma by placing them on these internal flights without any understanding of what’s happening to them,” said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.

Gelernt said migrants are often led to think or come to believe they will be flown to a location in the U.S. where they will be allowed to stay.  There have been reports  of migrants being walked across the border back into Mexico after a lateral flight, only to find they are in a place they do not know and cannot reenter the U.S.

Many of these people were asylum seekers who were never even given the opportunity to file for asylum before coming in one door and being expelled through another unfamiliar door.

Mixed messages about policy, particularly on the campaign trail and early in President Biden's presidency, also created some false pretense and false hope for migrants coming to cross the border:

Migrants travelling from Central America have told the BBC that they are doing so because they believe the Biden administration will give them amnesty. The president's attempts to discourage the journey have, so far, had no appreciable effect.

Both parties have failed to enforce our current immigration laws and neglected to move on any meaningful immigration reform. Instead they continue to engage in political stunts and the partisan blame game and it is nauseating.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
3.3  squiggy  replied to  George @3    one week ago

It's all fun and games - til he shows up in Hawaii.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
3.4  Jack_TX  replied to  George @3    one week ago

I'm real sure he has every jurisdiction over what happened in San Antonio.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.5  Revillug  replied to  George @3    one week ago

The people trafficked were in Texas. The crime was in Texas. The crime spanned more than one state.

For a Harvard educated lawyer DeSantis seems to be awfully reckless.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Silent
3.5.1  George  replied to  Revillug @3.5    one week ago

They weren’t trafficked, trafficking was what Obama did with children when he gave them to people who weren’t their family. DeSantis just relocated people who went willingly to the hypocrisy capital of the world.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.5.3  Tessylo  replied to  George @3.5.1    one week ago

????????????????????????????????????????

So deflection and projection is what you're going with?

And these folks were willingly relocated????????

What the what

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
3.5.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Revillug @3.5    one week ago
he people trafficked were in Texas. The crime was in Texas. The crime spanned more than one state.

SO much abuse of the English language in so few sentences. 

It's the return of the Avenetti cult. 

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.5.5  Revillug  replied to  George @3.5.1    6 days ago

Here is how the DHS defines trafficking:

Human trafficking involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act. Every year, millions of men, women, and children are trafficked worldwide – including right here in the United States. It can happen in any community and victims can be any age, race, gender, or nationality. Traffickers might use violence, manipulation, or false promises of well-paying jobs or romantic relationships to lure victims into trafficking situations.

By my man in the street (without a law degree) analysis:

the use of force, fraud, or coercion

Check!

to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act.

This one might seem that it wasn't met but these people were put on buses and planes so they could perform as unwitting human props in a political stunt during campaign season. I think lawyers will agree to disagree with each other (for a healthy fee) on this one. 

Traffickers might use violence, manipulation, or false promises of well-paying jobs or romantic relationships to lure victims into trafficking situations.

Damn, it's like DeSantis was using the DOH website as a how-to manual.

DOH.Gov: What Is Human Trafficking?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Participates
3.5.6  arkpdx  replied to  Revillug @3.5    11 seconds ago
The crime spanned more than one state. 

What crime would that be? Be specific and do provide an unbiased reliable source. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @3    one week ago

He's just a lefty. 

Sorry libs, there was no federal crime here. It was a political stunt to make a point, which it was very successful in doing.

That is not a crime.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.6.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.6    6 days ago

Sure it's a federal crime.  These folks were lied to about jobs and opportunities and then just left there with no coordination.  Trafficking humans.  Not good.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Participates
3.6.2  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @3.6.1    23 hours ago
These folks were lied to about jobs and opportunities 

They were lied to by Martha's Vineyard, Washington D. C. New York City and other democrat led sanctuary cities telling them that they would be welcomed with open arms and provided for and given all the assistance needed. I guess the liberals lied to poor people again. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4  Kavika     one week ago

You have to wonder why did DeSantis send them from Texas to MA. When he complained that Florida has an immigration problem. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @4    one week ago

States helping states - outrageous.

Politicians helping themselves - unheard of.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1    one week ago

Yet DeSantis didn't remove immigrants from Florida, yet complained about them. So the money that could help Flroida was used to help Texas...Brilliant. /s

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
4.2  Revillug  replied to  Kavika @4    one week ago

As Harry Shearer explained at the beginning of his weekly podcast Florida is surrounded on three sides by water and does not have a border crossing problem and bus loads of people it needs to ship anywhere.

This stunt doesn't even seem to be aimed at his Florida voters but at voters for his presidential ambitions.

I wonder how it is playing with his Florida base. It's easy to imagine Cuban Americans having a lot of sympathy for asylum seekers.

(Checking notes...wait..YOU are from Florida. How IS this playing down there?)

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Kavika   replied to  Revillug @4.2    one week ago

The Venezuelian comunity is protesting what DeSantis did. They are one of the fastest growing ethnic groups in FL. I'm not sure how the Cuban community as a whole is looking at it but my friends that are Cuban are not happy with what DeSantis did, They did say that if he had done that to Cubans that they would be protesting it.

BTW the Cuban and Venezuelans are now the two of the largest groups coming across the US/Mexican border. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
PhD Guide
4.2.2  evilgenius  replied to  Kavika @4.2.1    one week ago
BTW the Cuban and Venezuelans are now the two of the largest groups coming across the US/Mexican border.

The Cuban Adjustment Act signed by Lyndon Johnson in 1966 says that any Cuban who comes into the US (and declares asylum) and is physically present in the US for one year becomes a permanent US resident. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.3  Kavika   replied to  evilgenius @4.2.2    6 days ago

Over the years there has been adjustments to the plan. 

Cuban Adjustment Act , U.S. federal   law   (November 2, 1966) that was   enacted   with the intent of allowing Cuban natives or citizens in the   United States   to bypass standard   immigration   rules to more quickly and easily obtain lawful permanent residency (often called a “green card”). Key among the eligibility requirements is that the individual must reside in the United States for at least one year. The act also applies to non-Cuban spouses and children.

In 1959 revolutionary leader   Fidel Castro   overthrew the ruling political regime in   Cuba   and became premier. His   communist   agenda drove thousands of Cuban residents to seek refuge in the United States. As an act of humanitarian relief, the U.S. government allowed the immigrants to enter, viewing them as political refugees. In 1966 U.S. Pres.   Lyndon B. Johnson   signed the Cuban Adjustment Act to provide the immigrants with a quick path to legal residency. While the law originally called for applicants to have resided in the United States for at least two years, the requirement was lowered to one year in 1976. In addition, the individual was not required to have entered the country legally. This special treatment—which was not extended to immigrants from other countries—was offered, in part, as an attempt to destabilize Castro’s government. The act led to an influx of Cuban immigrants into the United States at various times. Notably, during the 1980   Mariel boatlift , some 125,000 people successfully traveled by boat from Cuba to the United States.

In the ensuing years, the Cuban Adjustment Act was occasionally modified. In addition to the 1976 change, a major   amendment   was   implemented   in 1995, when U.S. Pres.   Bill Clinton   enacted the so-called “wet foot, dry foot” policy. This was more restrictive, allowing only Cuban immigrants who reached U.S. land to stay in the United States. If U.S. officials intercepted any Cuban immigrants at sea, they were returned to Cuba or sent to another location. The wet foot, dry foot policy was enacted to curb immigration, which was seen as more economically than politically motivated, and to dissuade Cubans from undertaking the dangerous journey by boat across the   Straits of Florida . U.S. Pres.   Barack Obama   ended the   initiative   in 2017. After that time Cuban natives and citizens were required to seek legal entrance into the United States before being eligible to become permanent residents. Although the Cuban Adjustment Act remained in effect, the change eliminated one of its core components.
 
 
 
evilgenius
PhD Guide
4.2.4  evilgenius  replied to  Kavika @4.2.3    6 days ago
If U.S. officials intercepted any Cuban immigrants at sea, they were returned to Cuba or sent to another location.

I was part of the picket of ships the Clinton Admin sent that first summer while in the Coast Guard. At one point we could see the lights of Havana. People we picked up where in the water for less than 4 hours. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4    6 days ago
You have to wonder why did DeSantis send them from Texas to MA.

You should know the answer by now.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.1  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.3    6 days ago
You should know the answer by now.

Do you mean that lame-ass excuse of they intended to come here or the other lame ass excuse that he used that they are only coming here in one's and two's....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.3.1    6 days ago

I mean the media wasn't covering the crisis on the border. This got everyone's attention.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.3  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.3.2    6 days ago

I see plenty of media coverage of the border and what is really hilarious is that DeSantis after the plane load of immigrants that he sent to MA. which he said is a sanctuary state, it isn't, and then an empty plane to Deleware which isn't a sanctuary state either has no proposal for immigration and admits that Florida doesn't have an illegal problem. We have close to 800,000 illegals in Florida which is the third most of all states and far more than MA or DE.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
4.3.4  Revillug  replied to  Kavika @4.3.3    2 days ago
We have close to 800,000 illegals in Florida which is the third most of all states and far more than MA or DE.

DeSantis wasn't actually flying or busing illegal immigrants anywhere. He was flying and busing asylum seekers with pending immigration court appearances to distant locations, far from where their court appearances would be. These were all people who followed the rules and have a pending review of their status.

As far as one state or another getting burdened with too many asylum seekers, there is nothing wrong with moving them between states but there are protocols that need to be followed so you aren't just dumping people someplace without there being any supports in place.

We have labor shortages all over this country right now, including in the energy sector. There is no need for this to be a complete lose-lose pissing contest.

I don't have anything to say about fixing the problem of illegals in Florida or in New York City where I come from. It's another aspect of the broken system, including our broken politics. Until people stop trying to win elections off of the problem instead of trying to fix he problem it will remain as it is.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.5  Kavika   replied to  Revillug @4.3.4    2 days ago
there is nothing wrong with moving them between states but there are protocols that need to be followed so you aren't just dumping people someplace without there being any supports in place.

DiSantis violated both Florida law which is very clear on moving illegals and also federal law. Currently, he and the administration are being sued for the violations.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
4.3.7  Revillug  replied to  Kavika @4.3.5    2 days ago

So he is being pursued legally by both Texas and Florida now?

Maybe there is something to this "nation of laws" thing after all.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Revillug @4.3.7    2 days ago

What's surprising is that the Texas sheriff didn't start his investigation with GOV Abbott who has bused many more out of state.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Revillug @4.3.4    2 days ago
DeSantis wasn't actually flying or busing illegal immigrants anywhere. He was flying and busing asylum seekers with pending immigration court appearances to distant locations, far from where their court appearances would be.

Pending immigration court appearance? Have their initial interview taken place yet?

  • As of April 1, 2022, there were 470,786 affirmative asylum applications pending with USCIS. The government does not estimate the time it will take to schedule an initial interview for these asylum applicants, though historically the delay could reach four years.  
  • The backlog in U.S. immigration courtscontinues every month to reach all-time highs, with over 1.82 million open removal cases as of June 2022.  Through November 2021, asylum applications had been filed in over 671,000 removal cases, with the average case pending for over four years.

Perhaps they should just hang out in Texas for that long and Texas pay the costs of their Medicaid and other benefits.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
4.3.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.8    2 days ago

Abbot hasn't been talked about as a possible Presidential candidate against the current regime.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.3.10    2 days ago

That might be the explanation since Abbott started in April or maybe the county Sheriff Javier Salazar just realized that this could be good for his next election.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
4.3.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.11    yesterday

Typical "look at me" virtue signaling.  No real solution given just all for appearances.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.3.12    yesterday
No real solution given just all for appearances.

As a sheriff, he can't have any solutions to a federal problem, so he is just looking after his own reelection.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
4.3.14  Jack_TX  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.8    yesterday
What's surprising is that the Texas sheriff didn't start his investigation with GOV Abbott who has bused many more out of state.

Personally, I don't find that half as surprising as DeSantis taking people from San Antonio. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
4.3.15  Jack_TX  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.11    yesterday
That might be the explanation since Abbott started in April or maybe the county Sheriff Javier Salazar just realized that this could be good for his next election.

The more probable explanation is that Abbott is the Governor of Texas.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Jack_TX @4.3.14    yesterday
I don't find that half as surprising as DeSantis taking people from San Antonio.

Maybe they couldn't find migrants in Florida that wanted to leave, or maybe it was a test run were migrants were clustered in a larger group.  

Many questions here, like why didn't they like San Antonio, I haven't been there for several years but previously always enjoyed my visits. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
4.3.17  Snuffy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.16    yesterday

If it's true that they had basically been abandoned and left to live on the streets then I don't think it's too difficult to find some who would be willing to get on an airplane for a trip north.  I don't know how many migrants who have come across the border in the past year are still in Texas vs other states, perhaps there are fewer in Florida so Florida is better able to keep them in shelters / etc for now.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Snuffy @4.3.17    yesterday
If it's true that they had basically been abandoned and left to live on the streets then I don't think it's too difficult to find some who would be willing to get on an airplane for a trip north.

I find it shocking that the federal government would abandon them on the street when the waiting list for court appointments is so long.

Also hard to believe that this majority Hispanic, majority Dem city would abandon them to the streets.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
4.3.19  Jack_TX  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.16    yesterday
Maybe they couldn't find migrants in Florida that wanted to leave, or maybe it was a test run were migrants were clustered in a larger group.

Or maybe it was a political stunt because Abbott is getting a lot of positive attention as somebody who will actually do something on immigration.

In any case, immigrants in Texas are none of his concern and he kinda needs to fuck off back to Florida.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Jack_TX @4.3.19    yesterday

I'm sure that Sheriff Javier Salazar will get to the bottom of this.  Hopefully he wont stop with DeSantis and go after Abbott as well.  Abbott is closer, shipped many more and made them travel by bus instead of air.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.3.21  Kavika   replied to  Jack_TX @4.3.19    yesterday

We have plenty of issues in Florida, he best pay attention to them and keep his nose out of Texas.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
4.3.22  Jack_TX  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.20    yesterday
I'm sure that Sheriff Javier Salazar will get to the bottom of this.

Unlikely.  But with any luck he'll keep DeSantis on his own side of the Mississippi.

  Hopefully he wont stop with DeSantis and go after Abbott as well. Abbott is closer, shipped many more and made them travel by bus instead of air.

Abbott is dealing with an issue in his own state.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
4.3.23  Snuffy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.18    yesterday
I find it shocking that the federal government would abandon them on the street when the waiting list for court appointments is so long. Also hard to believe that this majority Hispanic, majority Dem city would abandon them to the streets.

I don't know if it's true or not as I am forced to rely on main-stream media and our wonderfully accurate and unbiased reporters.  It was reported early that they were.  And I don't know if once they are released by Border Patrol to San Antonio if they were then the responsibility of the State of Texas or the Federal Government, I thought it was the states that had the requirement of taking care of them at that point.

"Immigrants have been more than willing to leave Bexar County after being abandoned, homeless, and 'left to fend for themselves.' 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.24  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Snuffy @4.3.23    yesterday

Thanks for the NPR link.  I notice that the Sheriff Javier Salazar didn't describe the support that his city/county was providing these poor people.  He was just outraged that now Massachusetts was providing support.

I thought it was the states that had the requirement of taking care of them at that point.

If true, then I guess is see GOV Abbott's point.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
4.3.25  Snuffy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.24    yesterday

I'm mostly ignoring the statements coming directly from Sheriff Salazar and waiting for other confirmation and news.  Sheriff Salazar is an elected official and a Democrat and the timing of this just struck me as too political.  He's on record stating he believes that DeSantis broke the law but has not yet stated what law he believes was broken.  This feels too much like election material rather than true police work in action.  Just because DeSantis hatched a political scheme doesn't mean it's open season for the other side to do the same (not that anything stops the two sides from playing partisan politics). 

But yeah, I thought that the state had to take care of the immigrants while they are waiting their initial court dates as they cannot yet legally work.  And I know that Texas (like other states) have been asking for federal money to offset the costs.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
4.3.26  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Snuffy @4.3.25    yesterday
I thought that the state had to take care of the immigrants while they are waiting their initial court dates as they cannot yet legally work. 

Maybe both the Feds and San Antonio decided that these folks now have lot's of experience living outside in the open so no big deal.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Participates
4.3.27  arkpdx  replied to  Kavika @4.3.5    23 hours ago
DiSantis violated both Florida law which is very clear on moving illegals and also federal law.

A d those laws would be???? 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Junior Expert
4.3.28  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kavika @4.3.3    22 hours ago
We have close to 800,000 illegals in Florida

Then why the fuck did DeSantis "borrow" 50 Venezuelan immigrants from Abbott in Texas?

Oh, sorry, I forgot he needed them to kick off his (unofficial) presidential campaign.

512  

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
5  Snuffy    one week ago

So we have an elected official who is a Democrat who is starting this investigation.  And he says it's "non-political".  Sure Wilbur, we believe you.....   not.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Silent
5.1  George  replied to  Snuffy @5    one week ago

It’s amazing how things change, it used to be that you investigated the crime to find the criminal. Now they start out naming the criminal and investigate until they find a crime. Welcome to the democrats new world order.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Principal
5.1.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  George @5.1    one week ago
Now they start out naming the criminal and investigate until they find a crime. Welcome to the democrats new world order.

Not "NEW", Same Ol' !

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
5.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  George @5.1    one week ago
Welcome to the democrats new world order.

Signed,

Hillary Clinton.

Seriously, the right has been after her for 23 years and have to charge her with so much as a parking ticket. Do NOT pretend that only one side engages in what you are claiming. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.2    one week ago

Signed,

Donald Trump.

Who blew both the Clintons out of the water a long time ago when it comes to amount of investigations that lead to jack shit of nothing. Even when the Democrats were manufacturing the evidence.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  George @5.1    one week ago
"It’s amazing how things change, it used to be that you investigated the crime to find the criminal. Now they start out naming the criminal and investigate until they find a crime. Welcome to the democrats new world order. "

So this is all a deep state thing then?

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How's that version of reality working out?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.2    one week ago
"Welcome to the democrats new world order."

"Signed,

Hillary Clinton.

Seriously, the right has been after her for 23 years and have to charge her with so much as a parking ticket. Do NOT pretend that only one side engages in what you are claiming."

So this is someone with CDS?  That seems to be a problem among those who allege that we are suffering with TDS.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.3    one week ago
See 5.1.4 and 5.1.5 Son
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.2    one week ago

Hey, GREAT post--------IF THE TOPIC WAS WHAT YOU WANT TO BLATHER ON ABOUT.

But--and correct me if I am wrong------the article was NOT about all that shit now was it?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
5.1.8  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.7    6 days ago
IF THE TOPIC WAS WHAT YOU WANT TO BLATHER ON ABOUT.

Fuck off, read what I was replying to. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.8    6 days ago
read what I was replying to. 

And that is supposed to make me change my statement how?  Your response was nothing more than a deflection.  Plain and simple.  [deleted]

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    6 days ago

Still not your son. 

Second request to stop calling me that.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
6  Revillug    one week ago

Here is a link to Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar's profile:

BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF JAVIER SALAZAR

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
6.1  Ronin2  replied to  Revillug @6    6 days ago

Here is everything you need to know about this overly political POS sheriff.

Riding on Brandon's campaign bus. How cute.

Penning a letter to Brandon about the border crisis.

Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar has written a letter to President Joe Biden, asking to meet with him to address migration issues “as the humanitarian crisis it truly is.”

“We just don't see it slowing down,” Salazar told ABC News' Linsey Davis Wednesday during an interview for "ABC News Live Prime."

“I attribute that to what I would call a perceived lack of action on the part of the federal government that's allowing the state of Texas to do what they're doing, which is quite frankly, causing a whole lot of heartache for other agencies, and I don't see a whole lot of benefit from it… we’re dealing with big rescues of groups of undocumented immigrants every day.”

Salazar has called for action from the federal government in his most recent letter to Biden stating how “angry he is.”

“I'm angry that I could not stop this massive loss of life in my county. I'm angry that despite my best efforts to appeal to your administration, I have not received a response. I'm disappointed that a perceived lack of action on the part of the US government has allowed the governor of my state to use this issue as one big campaigns done," Salazar wrote and also alleged that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott used the situation "as some sort of enemy invasion."

What a deluded fucking jackass. The federal government abdicated it's responsibility once Brandon took office on securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws. Brandon has encouraged record setting illegal entries in the US; with the vast majority being allowed to stay. Yet he somehow wants to blame the state of Texas? Maybe if this idiot had concentrated more on doing his damn job; instead of being a Democrat political shill- more immigrants would be alive. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
8  charger 383    one week ago

Why doesn't this Sheriff investigate the crime of them crossing the border?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @8    6 days ago
Why doesn't this Sheriff investigate the crime of them crossing the border?

Because he doesn't care if people come here?

Because the Biden/Harris Administration has basically made the border a revolving door?

Because Democrats' long-range plan is to allow as many as possible access, then grant amnesty, then give them citizenship?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
8.2  Ozzwald  replied to  charger 383 @8    6 days ago
Why doesn't this Sheriff investigate the crime of them crossing the border?

Because the sheriff is a professional and therefore knows the difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers?  Every one of the ones DeSantis shipped off were asylum seekers.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
8.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2    6 days ago

You do realize that being asylum seekers doesn't give them the right to be in the country.

If they crossed the border illegally they are illegal immigrants, period. 

That is what the Stay in Mexico policy was all about. Migrants stayed in Mexico until their trial dates.

All the asylum law states is that seekers must present themselves at a legal port of entry to the US. Which is the reason they cross into to the US illegally. They know Brandon will not deport their asses; even though they are violating US immigration laws.

Also, most asylum requests are rejected- even with Brandon lowering the standards for acceptance. There is also a huge court backlog of cases. So those illegals in the country requesting asylum may never even get to court. Rather convenient for Democrats.

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Under the new Biden administration asylum seekers are seeing greater success rates in securing asylum. While asylum denial rates had grown ever higher during the Trump years to a peak of 71 percent in FY 2020, they fell to 63 percent in FY 2021. Expressed another way, success rates grew from 29 percent to 37 percent under President Biden.

However, with the continuing partial court shutdown during the COVID-19 pandemic, there has been a sustained drop in the number of asylum decisions. This means fewer asylum seekers actually won their cases despite this improving success rate. During FY 2021 just 23,827 asylum decisions were made. This is down from 60,079 decisions during FY 2020. These statistics count all decisions rendered on the merits of asylum seekers' claims.

Even with the greater odds of success, the number of asylum seekers who were granted asylum during FY 2021 was only 8,349 with an additional 402 granted another type of relief in place of asylum. In sheer numbers, this was only about half the number of asylum seekers who had been granted relief during FY 2020. See Figure 1.

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Over four out of every ten Immigration Court cases in which asylum applications have been filed since October 2000 are still pending. That means that of the 1.6 million Court cases in which asylum applications were filed, two-thirds of a million asylum seekers (667,229) are still waiting for hearings to resolve their cases. See Figure 1.

These wait times have ballooned. Current wait times for cases in the asylum backlog now average 1,621 days. This translates into 54 months or nearly four and a half years. See Table 1.

figure1.png
Figure 1. Pending vs. Completed Immigration Court Asylum Cases, FY 2001 - FY 2021
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Table 1. Immigration Court Asylum Backlog as of September 30, 2021
Next Hearing Type Pending Cases Average Days Wait from NTA to:
9/30/21 Next Hearing
All* 667,229 1,156 1,621
Individual 349,720 1,348 1,751
Master Calendar 205,178 865 1,136
Not Yet Scheduled 112,331 1,089 2,102
* This includes 666,218 asylum application cases filed since October 2000 and an additional ~1,000 cases filed previously.
Democrats don't get to redefine laws. Nor do they get to ignore them. Yet they keep on doing both.
 
 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
8.2.2  charger 383  replied to  Ronin2 @8.2.1    6 days ago
          "Also, most asylum requests are rejected"
Just because they want asylum should not mean we have to let them in or approve it
 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
8.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @8.2.1    6 days ago
You do realize that being asylum seekers doesn't give them the right to be in the country.

Once they have applied for asylum, and been given a court date, they have the right to remain in the country until the court date.  You know that.....right?????

If they crossed the border illegally they are illegal immigrants, period. 

WRONG!   You can request asylum without legal entry, it is specifically written into the law.

The language of the Immigration and Nationality Act says "any alien" can apply for asylum if he or she is "physically present in the United States . . . irrespective of such alien's status." (See I.N.A. Section 208(a) .)

Why do you make claims that are so easily shown to be untrue?

That is what the Stay in Mexico policy was all about. Migrants stayed in Mexico until their trial dates.

AND was a violation of both US and International asylum laws.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
8.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  charger 383 @8.2.2    6 days ago
"Also, most asylum requests are rejected"
Just because they want asylum should not mean we have to let them in or approve it

The law says otherwise.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2.4    yesterday

He considers them ALL feral cats regardless of their status.  Our fellow human beings.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Salazar said it was not clear whether any laws had been broken, but he said that 48 migrants appeared to have been "lured under false pretenses" into staying at a hotel for a couple of days before they were flown to Florida and Martha's Vineyard.

Unless this Sheriff can prove some systemic coercion or fraud, there’s really not a federal crime here.  On the other hand, if he cannot, he should be prosecuted for an investigation without a predicate.  

This was the political stunt. Notice how the left wants to try and prosecute all of their political opponents.


As for the progressives on Martha's Vineyard, they opined for years about "diversity."  Gov DeSantis gave them diversity and they shuffled those people off to a military base on Cape Cod.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
PhD Guide
9.1  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    6 days ago
Unless this Sheriff can prove some systemic coercion or fraud, there’s really not a federal crime here. 

First, he's looking into possible state crime(s). If he finds any he can pass the information to the FBI to investigate for possible federal crimes. He already has a enough to to open an investigation of human trafficking simply from the victim statements. 

On the other hand, if he cannot, he should be prosecuted for an investigation without a predicate.

Hmmm... that's not what you said about the 2020 election claims. You stated and supported statements that a court case must proceed so evidence could be found during discovery. I'm not sure you know how the law works...

Notice how the left wants to try and prosecute all of their political opponents.

No, but I have noticed how some on the right commit crimes for political gain. I'd wonder how they can continue to call themselves the "law and order party", but then hypocrisy isn't new to the hyper-partisan.

As for the progressives on Martha's Vineyard, they opined for years about "diversity."  Gov DeSantis gave them diversity and they shuffled those people off to a military base on Cape Cod.  

Talk about political stunts... you're posts are filled with illogical partisan hatred. Instead of supporting these left/right political bullshit circuses you join those of us in the middle to call for a meaningful overhaul of our immigration system to be equitable, fully staffed and properly funded so we can quickly shuffle people through to make proper status determinations. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Participates
9.2  arkpdx  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    4 hours ago

I remember the democrats bashing a sheriff for enforcing laws, including federal immigration laws, and suing a state for enforcing federal immigration laws saying it was not theirs to do.  Now this Democrat sheriff takes it upon himself to attempt to enforce a non existent law and the left lives him. 

On one hand the left claims that states and LEO'S are not allowed to enforce federal law or even to copy it into state law because federal law is not in their jurisdiction and on the other hand they will praise this sheriff for doing an investigation into something that is clearly not in his bailiwick. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.2.1  Jack_TX  replied to  arkpdx @9.2    3 hours ago

When you've done something that may very well be illegal and you've done it in his county, his job is to investigate and figure out if you broke the law.

Point blank, there was never any reason at all for Ron DeSantis to pull political stunts in Texas.  He needs to fuck off back to Kissimmee and mind his own business.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Principal
10  magicschoolbusdropout    6 days ago

Salazar said it was not clear whether any laws had been broken

Is that what our "System" has degraded to now ?

Used to be, an Investigation was all about finding out more facts of a "Clear Crime" being committed.

Now ....... they hunt for a crime to charge one with, especially if "THEY", Don't like you !

"Knock, Knock, Knock"

Ms. Magicschoolbusdropout (Opens Door) - Yes ?

Sheriff - Ms. Your under arrest !

Ms. Magicschoolbusdropout - Fo What ?

Sheriff - We "Feel" you've committed some Crime !

Ms. Magicschoolbusdropout - What Crime ?

Sheriff - We don't know yet, but come with us peaceably.  We'll see if your innocent after the investigation.

 
 
 
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10.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @10    6 days ago
Now ....... they hunt for a crime to charge one with, especially if "THEY", Don't like you !

Welcome to the Democrats third world dictatorship.

 
 

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