Texas sheriff opens criminal investigation into Martha's Vineyard migrant trips
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Via: perrie-halpern • 2 years ago • 194 commentsBy: Carmen Sesin and Tim Stelloh
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A Texas sheriff said Monday that his office has opened a criminal investigation into Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' unprecedented move to send nearly 50 migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, last week.
Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar said the inquiry was in its early stages, and he declined to name possible suspects. But in a news conference, he said: "Everybody on this call knows who those names are already."
Salazar said it was not clear whether any laws had been broken, but he said that 48 migrants appeared to have been "lured under false pretenses" into staying at a hotel for a couple of days before they were flown to Florida and Martha's Vineyard.
"They were promised work," he said. "They were promised the solution to several of their problems."
He said a recruiter was paid a "bird dog fee" to gather roughly 50 people around a San Antonio migrant resource center.
The asylum-seekers, most of them Venezuelan, were then taken to the posh Massachusetts island "for little more than a photo op or a video op, and they were unceremoniously stranded in Martha's Vineyard," Salazar said.
Salazar said his office's organized crime investigators would handle the investigation.
Immigration advocates and lawyers called for a criminal investigation into DeSantis' effort to move the migrants under a $12 million program aimed at relocating "unauthorized aliens" to what his administration has described as "sanctuary" jurisdictions.
In a statement Monday, a spokesperson for DeSantis said that Florida had helped the migrants access "greener pastures" in a place with more resources after they'd been "abandoned" in Bexar County.
DeSantis and his administration have previously denied breaking any laws with the program, and at a news conference Friday, the governor said he would "spend every penny" he could on it.
The League of United Latin American Citizens, or LULAC, offered a reward of $5,000 for information that leads to the identification of the person who misled the migrants. "Wanted" posters have gone up around San Antonio.
"It's one of the most cruel political stunts I've seen in my lifetime," LULAC President Domingo Garcia said.
Garcia said LULAC has spoken to several asylum-seekers who said a woman named "Perla" told them they were going to Boston and promised three months of work and free housing.
Garcia, who spoke with about a dozen migrants on Martha's Vineyard last week, said Monday that "Perla" gave them a map with an "X," marking a refugee center, which ended up being an empty parking lot.
Attorneys representing 30 of the 48 migrants have asked the Massachusetts attorney general and the federal government to open criminal investigations. They said their clients "were induced to board airplanes and cross state lines under false pretenses."
Immigration advocates, as well as Democrats and the Biden administration, say transporting migrants is dehumanizing, and they accuse Republicans of using people for political stunts as calls for a criminal investigation grow.
Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, tweeted that "the Department of Justice needs to investigate Governor DeSantis for using fraud and deception to lure people out of state only to abandon them without fulfilling his false promises. Same for Greg Abbott. They're engaging in human trafficking."
Since April, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, has bused migrants released from federal immigration custody to Washington, D.C., New York City and Chicago. He accuses President Joe Biden of being too lax on migration. A month later, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, also began transporting migrants to Washington, D.C.
DeSantis sent two planes carrying migrants to Martha's Vineyard on Wednesday.
The Florida Immigrant Coalition, a statewide coalition for more than 65 organizations, is investigating whether federal funds were misused when DeSantis sent the migrants to Martha's Vineyard and whether there is room for litigation.
"We are disgusted," co-Executive Director Tessa Petit said. "We're doing everything we can to make sure this does not repeat again."
Many of the migrants are asylum-seekers who have fled socialist countries, like Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua, where daily life has become difficult under authoritarian regimes.
This seed has been up for 8 hours and nary a comment ... one would think that 'owning the libs' would have turned this quietness into a violent storm of character assassinations.
patience, probably not enough time for all the death threats from the trumpsters to materialize...
+Projection, deflection, and denial . . . .
man, I hate being right about trumpfucks all the time...
That reminds me of some horror movie - I just can't think of it now - about hating being right about such things
- in this instance - such deplorable alleged human beings yet not being surprised when it happens
Yes, it was a very provocative seed, wasn't it?
It lacked the deliberate provocativeness of your seeds. [Deleted]
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I'm sure DeSantis ran this by the lawyers first.
And...here it comes...."what about" all the surreptitious middle of the night fly ins of immigrants all over the country by Biden?
Shouldn't that be investigated too?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2022/09/20/new-poll-while-battling-sanctuary-city-officials-abbotts-texas-lead-grows-further-n2613284?utm_campaign=rightrailsticky3
If Abbott is guilty, than Biden is the greatest human trafficker in the world.
Correct!
Technically Biden has authority to move migrants under threat of force. DeSantis does not. Just wait, this story will go from, they got on willingly, to DeSantis’s evil stormtroopers loaded them onto the “trains” like Hitler.
"Technically Biden has authority to move migrants under threat of force. DeSantis does not."
Can you explain that....in technical terms?
The liberal mouthpieces are already on that.
Technically the Federal Government is in charge of immigration enforcement under the purview of Homeland Security. During the Obama Administration, AZ tried to enforce immigration and got spanked in court. The Sherriff of Mesa County ignored multiple federal court rulings and was charged with crimes. He only escaped prison by a last dodge Trump pardon.
When Arizona tried to interfere in immigration, Obama sued and won. Federal authorities have sole discretion over immigration. So DeSantis can’t force relocation like the Feds can, but what he has the absolute right to do is relocate people voluntarily to another location like Newsom did to the homeless when he was mayor of San Francisco.
Thank you, I replied before seeing your comment. You summarized it perfectly.
The Federal Government has allowed the border to be non secure despite what Kamala says.
Failure to do what they are charged with is dereliction of duty and the voters will cast them aside as unable/unwillingly to apply the law
Key word being "voluntarily"
Allowed? When was the last time the border was secure? How do you secure a 2,000 mile stretch of mostly uninhabited terrain?
He Didn't.
You build a wall............
There is no way to secure the border. There never has been and there never will be short of a significant militarization of our boarder and waterways. This would also be extremally expensive, politically unpopular and a huge private land grab by the government. The whole "border wall" bullshit is nothing more than a bizarre & and expensive propaganda tool. It's less than a band-aid on a extremally complex issue.
Tell these guys that................
You support the government seizing all that private land for your wall? It's not much of a wall if people can walk around the end of it. Even if a complete wall would happen, it has to be monitored and maintained. Then again they could then still go around it unless we also start mining and patrolling our border waterways. How much do you want taxes to increase to pay for this? 27 miles of the Berlin Wall didn't work for the Soviets - 2000 miles is exponentially more difficult.
Because in the history of the world, a wall has always meant perfect security???? There are videos of 12 year old children climbing Trump's wall, which is currently rusting away in the areas that it was installed.
Did you even bother to read your own linked article????
They aren't built because they work, they are built because the ignorant sheeples think the government is doing something.
According to Kamala the border is secure. Are you saying she is a liar?
Kamala said the border is secure. Are you calling her a liar?
Ya! Some morons are claiming that these folks that were promised jobs and opportunities - volunteered, that they weren't just being dumped somewhere without notifying anyone
Like Steve Bannon?
What Ozz said!
Also see 2.2.19
According to some, you just walk around the end. Why are they climbing? And give me the time it takes to climb over merely walking in anytime. I have also seen video of people who climbed the wall falling once they got to the top and they didn't stick the landing very well.
Ya gotta admit. It sure as hell slows them down. Have you seen pictures of some of those like in Turkey?
Oh Ya, you gotta admit, it slows them down.
Problem solved!
Does it? a $100 Sawzall from home Depot also takes down Trump's wall (fence).
What a stupid argument. Do nothing unless you get the perfect result?
This is why we have a disaster on the border and that kills hundreds of people each year. Democrats justify doing nothing because no system will ever by 100% successful and never allow a breach. So just do nothing, let whoever wants to enter the country and pick up the bodies is the Democrats response.
What happened was that the border state Governors found a way to get the open borders in the news. The radicals on the left have become very aggressive in recent years. Now it's about smearing or prosecuting opponents and intimidating everyone else.
Exactly, and the Department of Homeland Security estimates that only 750 migrants have died along the southern border so far this year so no crises, no need to do better. After all, what's a thousand dead migrants a year. Not worth the expensive cost of improving border security, right?
So now you are admitting that a wall will not create a secure border. I suggest you talk to "Just Jim NC TttH". he thinks it does.
If you want to make that point, you will need to compare those numbers to previous years. Please do so, or stop coming up with arbitrary bullshit to deflect to.
Do many poor, broke aliens carry sawz-alls with them?
If walls and fences don't work, why does Biden's Administration put them up to protect Congress, SCOTUS, and the President?
Not the bollards at the Arizona border that are just sitting, rusting, in stacks. $250 to 500 Million worth that we are stuck with and more than likely still paying the job cancellation penalties on. They are square/rectangular "tube" filled with concrete. And pretty damned close together. And "sealed" top and bottom.
And, much like Corten steel, it will rust but only to a certain extent. That's why Corten was used by artists for their "sculptures". It rusts and looks good rusting so no need for coatings.
And actually, didn't the administration start construction back up?
Why yes, yes he did.
Oh and before we get the "only to fill the gaps" bullshit, why bother? Because it is a deterrent that's why.
Not arbitrary bullshit as you can see......................
It took almost 5 seconds to look it up on Google.
Here, since yours is apparently broken:
Look, I get the current clownshow of Biden/Harris is vastly entertaining and all, but the facts are that more are coming, encouraged by Democrats and their foul policies. That means more will die attempting to enter illegally.
Nothing arbitrary about it.
I'm admitting it, like any other system, will not have 100% success rate. The idea that you shouldn't do something because it will only reduce harm and not perfectly solve every problem is dangerous, callous and idiotic. The trifecta!
Do you oppose all gun regulations because they don't perfectly stop all gun crime?
It's simply preposterous to claim with a straight face that since we can't stop every single one of the record breaking amount of migrants illegally crossing and dying at the border we should do absolutely nothing to make things better.
I'm not sure what you mean by deterrent. The idea is to get migrants to go to specific areas that are more heavily patrolled and monitored. How well that works is also up for debate.
Isn't it amazing what a few-second-search will turn up compared to merely bitching about facts and trying to derail?
I'm sorry, but some questions are just too stupid to reply to.
You just cannot stop with the failing can you?
Your border Patrol link is for 2018 and earlier, does not even speak to what we were talking about.
Your 2nd link states in the article:
So you are now blaming Biden for not fixing the worst drought in 1,200 years?
I notice that you have completely ignored the rest of my reply where I point out that it was "Just Jim NC TttH" making the claim that a wall would have secured the border.
Do I? No.
Do republicans? Yes.
Do you equate an illegal immigrant, with the loss of a child's life to gun violence? Because that is what you are doing.
Don't put words in my comments number one. You don't know WHAT I am claiming. Number two, tough shit. Deaths are deaths and that was the fucking topic. I don't give two shits what the cause was. If it weren't for his administration's policy or lack thereof, those people wouldn't be there. Not my problem nor is it Mother Nature's.
The second link was to provide what the first did NOT cover timewise because I realized it only covered thru 2018 but I guess that must've somehow been missed. The only reason I posted link one was because it was the official CPB stats.
You got your proof.
And in your 2.2.40, I never claimed it would stop it all. Did you not see where I posted "It would be a deterrent
That asswipe is going to prison for "raising" funds for the wall
Never have I seen that be the case for some
2021 - 557
2020 - 247
2019 - 300
2018 - 283
2017 - 298
2016 - 329
2015 - 251
2014 - 315
2013 - 451
2012 - 471
2011 - 375
2010 - 365
2009 - 420
2008 - 385
2007 - 398
2006 - 454
2005 - 492
2004 - 328
2003 - 338
2002 - 320
2001 - 340
2000- 380
1999 - 249
1998 - 263
DHS acknowledges that these numbers are lower than actual deaths.
Inconvenient answers.
Or inability to answer truthfully?
That is a blatant falsehood.
Good Job Drinker, though don't you think one would need to take into account that the worst drought/heat wave in 1200 years is also upon them?
It is a messy subject, and what i find really interesting is that without this influx of migrants, legal or illegal, believe we would find us in a serious labor shortage. The pussy ass generations of late, won't work, least of all work hard, with quite a minority proving different. This country is in serious trouble, imho
Yet you are trying to Blame the Biden administration. Since your own news link equates the increased death rate to the drought, the answer is yes you are trying to blame Biden for it. You cannot have it both ways.
Moving goalposts time, huh? The problem is that you did make that claim, and here is the link to that exact claim .
I can have it both ways. What didn't you understand about "If it weren't for his administration's policy or lack thereof, those people wouldn't be there"?
Still a nope. I said build a wall would secure the border. Nowhere did I say it would stop it completely. But it would be a hell of a lot harder to jump the border. If you build a wall and they can't or don't cross it, that would mean a port of entry would need to be used and the bullshit excuses would make sure they went "back home".
217 years of "open borders".
The first 13 mile section of fence/wall 60 feet apart was constructed in 1993 under Bill Clinton.(D)
Congress only authorized George Bush (R) to complete 700 miles of a single obstacle
which was completed under Obama.(D)
The "border wall" issue has only become a political football in the last 30 years.
Trump exploited it and his supporters attempt to slander the current Democrat
based on political scare tactics. Nothing less, nothing more.
Like many "records" COVID gave Trump a record low year for "border issues" followed by then record years for the same.
Good point about the current heat wave and drought.
For a perspective on the "southern border crisis" read about the Bracero project,
where Congress permitted and encouraged Mexican laborers to come to the USA
in 1942. The program was extended twice and did not end until 1964.
It proved impossible to put the cork back into that bottle as the people with family on
both sides of the border had increased cross border traffic to higher and higher
thresholds. 30 years later the first section of wall went up in essence to stop criminal
activity along the San Diego-Tiajuana border, not immigration.
Try 1986 - Dems lie big time to the President 'bout assisting in curtailing/"illegal immigration".
In an effort to halt unlawful crossings and unauthorized workers, the IRCA also approved increased border security resources, including higher budgets for the Border Patrol and the Department of Labor. The law aimed to secure the U.S.-Mexico border against illegal crossings with new surveillance technology and a bigger staff.
So, what happened? The Dems DID NOT PROVIDE THE FUNDING/SUPPORT THEY PROMISED REAGAN.
Yeah, I know - old news - typical behaviour of the Dems.
So did Trump's administration have a policy? Because, you know, those people were still there......
So you are not moving the goal posts, you are attempting to completely redefine the words you used....
It was called "Remain in Mexico" and Biden and his handlers even fought Judges to get rid of it.
Numbers.....sheer huge numbers difference..............he was in the process of getting that wall progression a hell of a lot farther. And they knew his policies as he was going into office. THAT slowed them down because they knew he wasn't fucking around.
And yet we still had illegal immigrants, which blows another one of "Just Jim NC TttH's" theories.
Can you support these comments, or are these just "learned emotional partisan memories" and sweeping generalizations?
Your link pretty much dispels this myth and paints Chuck Schumer the hero.
Although the Bill called for a 50% increase in funding Border Patrol which at the time numbered less than 4,000 members, even Reagan knew that approval by Congress was not guaranteed.
US border apprehensions (usafacts.org)
Again, in 1975 there were only 1745 Border Patrol increased to 3700 under Reagan,
1.69 million apprehensions in 1981 (Reagan)
1.62 million apprehensions in 1999-2000 ( Bush )
Obama increases BP to 20,000 in 2009 and hovering around 21,000 until 2017
when, due to plummeting apprehensions and budget cuts, agents were reduced to
19,000.
BP faces further budgetary reductions under Trump, COVID hits and apprehensions
fall for a year. Trump emphasized the wall as the solution but by 2020 apprehensions are back up to 1.66 million.
Currently there only 19,648 BP agents performing 2 million apprehensions a year
The BP itself blames global inflation and changing weather patterns for contributing to the failure of several communist countries like Nicaraqua, Venezuela and Cuba for a wave of immigration across the Western Hemisphere.
Now please feel free to discuss facts, not party, opinions or emotions.
Thanks
What gets me is when they play the donald was a tough guy meme.
Like immigrants and refuges are listening to US politics.
Are you moving the goalposts this time, or still redefining the words you used? You said:
NOW you are saying they would be there, no matter the policy. Have you ever made a claim that you've stood by, or is it a constant backpedaling with you?
According to Kamala the border is secure. Is she telling the truth or lying?
Some just keep digging even after you've, and you always do, handed them their ass.
Just keep digging and digging and digging -
Never an 'I was wrong', NEVER
The latter
No I am saying that the numbers now are huge compared to when the former administration was in office.
Again, not in the numbers they are now. Don't you ever tire of telling people what they mean instead of reading what they wrote? I know I know. It's the old argue for argument's sake..............and it's tiring as hell and is the equivalent of constant "nuh uh" bullshit.
It appears that you are the one engaging in the 'nuh uh' bullshit.
Well it isn't and she knows it. One has to wonder with the apprehension of 78 at the border that are on the terrorist watch list, more this year so far than the last five years combined, how many more slipped through the cracks and are among us this very day...........................
2022 - 750 thus far
2021 - 557
2020 - 247
2019 - 300
2018 - 283
2017 - 298
2016 - 329
2015 - 251
2014 - 315
2013 - 451
2012 - 471
2011 - 375
2010 - 365
2009 - 420
2008 - 385
2007 - 398
2006 - 454
2005 - 492
2004 - 328
2003 - 338
2002 - 320
2001 - 340
2000- 380
1999 - 249
1998 - 263
DHS acknowledges that these numbers are lower than actual deaths.
The drowning of a Guatemalan girl in the Rio Grande this week was but the latest tragedy in a region where migrant deaths are on track to double compared to last year. That wasn't from draught.
The number of migrant arrivals reported along the U.S.-Mexico border in fiscal year 2022 surpassed 2 million in August, an all-time high driven in part by unprecedented levels of migration from Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, according to government data published Monday.
Draught or no draught, more attempted crossings means more deaths.
Bingo......................
1138 in Trump's 4 years. 1307 so far under the Biden administration in a year and 8 months.
That's what you are saying NOW. That is NOT what you said earlier'
You ARE blaming the climate and the drought on Biden. You just did it again, despite saying you didn't the last time. Aren't you getting dizzy!
It IS what I said earlier.............
" Numbers.....sheer huge numbers difference"
No. Here let me help you. I am blaming the Biden administration for the sheer number of migrants on the southern border period. As pointed out in 2.2.70 above...................................
"Draught or no draught, more attempted crossings means more deaths."
I equate illegal aliens with hundred of thousand deaths of Americans do to smuggling toxic drugs across the border.
Show of hands! Who here is dumb enough to think a sheriff in Texas has any jurisdiction over an action that occurred in Florida?
Jurisdiction, no. But he can start an investigation with the federal gov.
Bingo...
This is just another leftist moron on a fishing expedition.
I am sure the people of his jurisdiction will love him wasting their money. Instead of using it to stop criminals in Bexar County.
I see you are in a state of perpetual projection.
Bango
Bongo
It's not even that.
"(DeSantis's) office released a statement Tuesday morning backing the decision to send the migrants, who had been at a center in Bexar County, where San Antonio is located , to Martha's Vineyard".
" Javier Salazar, the sheriff of Bexar County, where San Antonio is located, said in a news release Monday that his office is investigating whether the migrants were victims of crimes"
"What we understand is a Venezuelan migrant was paid a bird-dog fee to recruit 50 migrants who were then were lured — and I will use the word 'lured' under false pretenses — to staying in a hotel for a few days, then taken to an airplane where they were flown to Florida and then Martha's Vineyard under false pretenses of being offered jobs," Salazar said. "For what we can gather, a little more than a photo op, a video op, and then they were left there."
DeSantis defends Martha's Vineyard migrant flights after Texas probe opens : NPR
" Authorities in Texas are investigating Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over an operation to fly 50 migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts last week"
Texas sheriff opens criminal probe into DeSantis operation to fly migrants to Martha's Vineyard | Fox News
These migrants were taken from Bexar County so the crime was committed in this Sheriffs county and thus is his jurisdiction. Just because the plane touched down in Florida briefly before heading to Martha's Vineyard doesn't mean the possible crime jurisdiction origin would change.
No crime was committed.
And you know that how? Have you interviewed the migrants? Have you talked to their lawyers? Have you talked to those that gathered them and put them on the plane? Should this Sherriff interview you? You seem to have a lot of answers but are short on details.
Let me re-phrase, "These migrants were taken from Bexar County so the potential crime was committed in this Sheriffs county and thus is his jurisdiction."
Potential crimes are investigated to see if a crime was in fact committed. This Sheriff has opened a criminal investigation to do just that.
The point was over jurisdiction which clearly this Sheriff does have.
I wonder why those migrants didn’t think that they could make a good life in San Antonio.
He trafficked people across state lines under false pretense.....for one.
Dangling false hope to desperate people might qualify as coercion.
I’m surprised that they wanted to leave San Antonio, it’s a very nice city with significant Hispanic history, culture and majority Hispanic population.
Doesn't false hope equate to outright lies with this?
Right…lies. I think it was a lawyer on NPR that said the promises of jobs and housing could very well qualify as coercion.
Lol. A left wing lawyer with no access to a dictionary makes an asinine statement.
If that's coercion, a lot of democrats are going to be charged with murder for "coercing" migrants into fatal border crossing attempts.
750 some this year alone I believe.
Prove that.
Shall I wait?
I'd pack a lunch if I were you. Prolly gonna be awhile
Wrong again. Every one of them VOLUTNERRED to be moved to Massachusetts. They even signed documents stating:
Now don't let that hinder you digging up proof of your statement.
AFTER they were told there were jobs and housing waiting. That's the "false pretense" part... just so you understand, they were lied to in order to get them to go. You know, lied to?
Personally, I think blue states should send all their landfill garbage to red states.
I see you couldn't dig anything up to back up your statement.
New York's famous "Shit Train" could be diverted to Texas!
“No crime was committed.”
The new gop slogan…and it fits on a bumper sticker…
It goes well with jbb's new gop slogan on another one of his articles - 'trump, not as bad as Hitler'
Well more than 50 undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers (hundreds of thousands) have been flown or bussed all over the US to other cities and across state lines by the Federal Government and by local State and city governments for many years, often with little warning and putting a tremendous strain on the local resources in those destination places. I think it is fairly reasonable to suggest that people and leaders who designate their cities as “sanctuaries” for undocumented immigrants should help accommodate them, especially since it is their intent not to cooperate with Federal immigration law/enforcement.
And from Revillug at #3.2.6
Indeed not appropriate, but not as though it wasn't being done since March 2021 already by the Biden Administration , and still is.
Many of these people were asylum seekers who were never even given the opportunity to file for asylum before coming in one door and being expelled through another unfamiliar door. In total, from March 2021 to October 2021 an estimated 22,100 people were expelled to Mexico as a result of these lateral flights just to El Paso, San Diego and Tucson.
Mixed messages about policy, particularly on the campaign trail and early in President Biden's presidency, also created some false pretense and false hope for migrants coming to cross the border:
Both parties have failed to enforce our current immigration laws and neglected to move on any meaningful immigration reform. Instead they continue to engage in political stunts and the partisan blame game and it is nauseating.
It's all fun and games - til he shows up in Hawaii.
I'm real sure he has every jurisdiction over what happened in San Antonio.
The people trafficked were in Texas. The crime was in Texas. The crime spanned more than one state.
For a Harvard educated lawyer DeSantis seems to be awfully reckless.
They weren’t trafficked, trafficking was what Obama did with children when he gave them to people who weren’t their family. DeSantis just relocated people who went willingly to the hypocrisy capital of the world.
????????????????????????????????????????
So deflection and projection is what you're going with?
And these folks were willingly relocated????????
What the what
SO much abuse of the English language in so few sentences.
It's the return of the Avenetti cult.
Here is how the DHS defines trafficking:
By my man in the street (without a law degree) analysis:
Check!
This one might seem that it wasn't met but these people were put on buses and planes so they could perform as unwitting human props in a political stunt during campaign season. I think lawyers will agree to disagree with each other (for a healthy fee) on this one.
Damn, it's like DeSantis was using the DOH website as a how-to manual.
DOH.Gov: What Is Human Trafficking?
What crime would that be? Be specific and do provide an unbiased reliable source.
He's just a lefty.
Sorry libs, there was no federal crime here. It was a political stunt to make a point, which it was very successful in doing.
That is not a crime.
Sure it's a federal crime. These folks were lied to about jobs and opportunities and then just left there with no coordination. Trafficking humans. Not good.
They were lied to by Martha's Vineyard, Washington D. C. New York City and other democrat led sanctuary cities telling them that they would be welcomed with open arms and provided for and given all the assistance needed. I guess the liberals lied to poor people again.
You have to wonder why did DeSantis send them from Texas to MA. When he complained that Florida has an immigration problem.
States helping states - outrageous.
Politicians helping themselves - unheard of.
Yet DeSantis didn't remove immigrants from Florida, yet complained about them. So the money that could help Flroida was used to help Texas...Brilliant. /s
As Harry Shearer explained at the beginning of his weekly podcast Florida is surrounded on three sides by water and does not have a border crossing problem and bus loads of people it needs to ship anywhere.
This stunt doesn't even seem to be aimed at his Florida voters but at voters for his presidential ambitions.
I wonder how it is playing with his Florida base. It's easy to imagine Cuban Americans having a lot of sympathy for asylum seekers.
(Checking notes...wait..YOU are from Florida. How IS this playing down there?)
The Venezuelian comunity is protesting what DeSantis did. They are one of the fastest growing ethnic groups in FL. I'm not sure how the Cuban community as a whole is looking at it but my friends that are Cuban are not happy with what DeSantis did, They did say that if he had done that to Cubans that they would be protesting it.
BTW the Cuban and Venezuelans are now the two of the largest groups coming across the US/Mexican border.
The Cuban Adjustment Act signed by Lyndon Johnson in 1966 says that any Cuban who comes into the US (and declares asylum) and is physically present in the US for one year becomes a permanent US resident.
Over the years there has been adjustments to the plan.
I was part of the picket of ships the Clinton Admin sent that first summer while in the Coast Guard. At one point we could see the lights of Havana. People we picked up where in the water for less than 4 hours.
You should know the answer by now.
Do you mean that lame-ass excuse of they intended to come here or the other lame ass excuse that he used that they are only coming here in one's and two's....
I mean the media wasn't covering the crisis on the border. This got everyone's attention.
I see plenty of media coverage of the border and what is really hilarious is that DeSantis after the plane load of immigrants that he sent to MA. which he said is a sanctuary state, it isn't, and then an empty plane to Deleware which isn't a sanctuary state either has no proposal for immigration and admits that Florida doesn't have an illegal problem. We have close to 800,000 illegals in Florida which is the third most of all states and far more than MA or DE.
DeSantis wasn't actually flying or busing illegal immigrants anywhere. He was flying and busing asylum seekers with pending immigration court appearances to distant locations, far from where their court appearances would be. These were all people who followed the rules and have a pending review of their status.
As far as one state or another getting burdened with too many asylum seekers, there is nothing wrong with moving them between states but there are protocols that need to be followed so you aren't just dumping people someplace without there being any supports in place.
We have labor shortages all over this country right now, including in the energy sector. There is no need for this to be a complete lose-lose pissing contest.
I don't have anything to say about fixing the problem of illegals in Florida or in New York City where I come from. It's another aspect of the broken system, including our broken politics. Until people stop trying to win elections off of the problem instead of trying to fix he problem it will remain as it is.
DiSantis violated both Florida law which is very clear on moving illegals and also federal law. Currently, he and the administration are being sued for the violations.
So he is being pursued legally by both Texas and Florida now?
Maybe there is something to this "nation of laws" thing after all.
What's surprising is that the Texas sheriff didn't start his investigation with GOV Abbott who has bused many more out of state.
Pending immigration court appearance? Have their initial interview taken place yet?
Perhaps they should just hang out in Texas for that long and Texas pay the costs of their Medicaid and other benefits.
Abbot hasn't been talked about as a possible Presidential candidate against the current regime.
That might be the explanation since Abbott started in April or maybe the county Sheriff Javier Salazar just realized that this could be good for his next election.
Typical "look at me" virtue signaling. No real solution given just all for appearances.
As a sheriff, he can't have any solutions to a federal problem, so he is just looking after his own reelection.
Personally, I don't find that half as surprising as DeSantis taking people from San Antonio.
The more probable explanation is that Abbott is the Governor of Texas.
Maybe they couldn't find migrants in Florida that wanted to leave, or maybe it was a test run were migrants were clustered in a larger group.
Many questions here, like why didn't they like San Antonio, I haven't been there for several years but previously always enjoyed my visits.
If it's true that they had basically been abandoned and left to live on the streets then I don't think it's too difficult to find some who would be willing to get on an airplane for a trip north. I don't know how many migrants who have come across the border in the past year are still in Texas vs other states, perhaps there are fewer in Florida so Florida is better able to keep them in shelters / etc for now.
I find it shocking that the federal government would abandon them on the street when the waiting list for court appointments is so long.
Also hard to believe that this majority Hispanic, majority Dem city would abandon them to the streets.
Or maybe it was a political stunt because Abbott is getting a lot of positive attention as somebody who will actually do something on immigration.
In any case, immigrants in Texas are none of his concern and he kinda needs to fuck off back to Florida.
I'm sure that Sheriff Javier Salazar will get to the bottom of this. Hopefully he wont stop with DeSantis and go after Abbott as well. Abbott is closer, shipped many more and made them travel by bus instead of air.
We have plenty of issues in Florida, he best pay attention to them and keep his nose out of Texas.
Unlikely. But with any luck he'll keep DeSantis on his own side of the Mississippi.
Abbott is dealing with an issue in his own state.
I don't know if it's true or not as I am forced to rely on main-stream media and our wonderfully accurate and unbiased reporters. It was reported early that they were. And I don't know if once they are released by Border Patrol to San Antonio if they were then the responsibility of the State of Texas or the Federal Government, I thought it was the states that had the requirement of taking care of them at that point.
Thanks for the NPR link. I notice that the Sheriff Javier Salazar didn't describe the support that his city/county was providing these poor people. He was just outraged that now Massachusetts was providing support.
If true, then I guess is see GOV Abbott's point.
I'm mostly ignoring the statements coming directly from Sheriff Salazar and waiting for other confirmation and news. Sheriff Salazar is an elected official and a Democrat and the timing of this just struck me as too political. He's on record stating he believes that DeSantis broke the law but has not yet stated what law he believes was broken. This feels too much like election material rather than true police work in action. Just because DeSantis hatched a political scheme doesn't mean it's open season for the other side to do the same (not that anything stops the two sides from playing partisan politics).
But yeah, I thought that the state had to take care of the immigrants while they are waiting their initial court dates as they cannot yet legally work. And I know that Texas (like other states) have been asking for federal money to offset the costs.
Maybe both the Feds and San Antonio decided that these folks now have lot's of experience living outside in the open so no big deal.
A d those laws would be????
Then why the fuck did DeSantis "borrow" 50 Venezuelan immigrants from Abbott in Texas?
Oh, sorry, I forgot he needed them to kick off his (unofficial) presidential campaign.
So we have an elected official who is a Democrat who is starting this investigation. And he says it's "non-political". Sure Wilbur, we believe you..... not.
It’s amazing how things change, it used to be that you investigated the crime to find the criminal. Now they start out naming the criminal and investigate until they find a crime. Welcome to the democrats new world order.
Signed,
Hillary Clinton.
Seriously, the right has been after her for 23 years and have to charge her with so much as a parking ticket. Do NOT pretend that only one side engages in what you are claiming.
Signed,
Donald Trump.
Who blew both the Clintons out of the water a long time ago when it comes to amount of investigations that lead to jack shit of nothing. Even when the Democrats were manufacturing the evidence.
So this is all a deep state thing then?
How's that version of reality working out?
"Signed,
Hillary Clinton.
Seriously, the right has been after her for 23 years and have to charge her with so much as a parking ticket. Do NOT pretend that only one side engages in what you are claiming."
So this is someone with CDS? That seems to be a problem among those who allege that we are suffering with TDS.
Hey, GREAT post--------IF THE TOPIC WAS WHAT YOU WANT TO BLATHER ON ABOUT.
But--and correct me if I am wrong------the article was NOT about all that shit now was it?
Fuck off, read what I was replying to.
And that is supposed to make me change my statement how? Your response was nothing more than a deflection. Plain and simple. [deleted]
Still not your son.
Second request to stop calling me that.
Here is a link to Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar's profile:
BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF JAVIER SALAZAR
Here is everything you need to know about this overly political POS sheriff.
Riding on Brandon's campaign bus. How cute.
Penning a letter to Brandon about the border crisis.
What a deluded fucking jackass. The federal government abdicated it's responsibility once Brandon took office on securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws. Brandon has encouraged record setting illegal entries in the US; with the vast majority being allowed to stay. Yet he somehow wants to blame the state of Texas? Maybe if this idiot had concentrated more on doing his damn job; instead of being a Democrat political shill- more immigrants would be alive.
Why doesn't this Sheriff investigate the crime of them crossing the border?
Because he doesn't care if people come here?
Because the Biden/Harris Administration has basically made the border a revolving door?
Because Democrats' long-range plan is to allow as many as possible access, then grant amnesty, then give them citizenship?
Because the sheriff is a professional and therefore knows the difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers? Every one of the ones DeSantis shipped off were asylum seekers.
You do realize that being asylum seekers doesn't give them the right to be in the country.
If they crossed the border illegally they are illegal immigrants, period.
That is what the Stay in Mexico policy was all about. Migrants stayed in Mexico until their trial dates.
All the asylum law states is that seekers must present themselves at a legal port of entry to the US. Which is the reason they cross into to the US illegally. They know Brandon will not deport their asses; even though they are violating US immigration laws.
Also, most asylum requests are rejected- even with Brandon lowering the standards for acceptance. There is also a huge court backlog of cases. So those illegals in the country requesting asylum may never even get to court. Rather convenient for Democrats.
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Once they have applied for asylum, and been given a court date, they have the right to remain in the country until the court date. You know that.....right?????
WRONG! You can request asylum without legal entry, it is specifically written into the law.
The language of the Immigration and Nationality Act says "any alien" can apply for asylum if he or she is "physically present in the United States . . . irrespective of such alien's status." (See I.N.A. Section 208(a) .)
Why do you make claims that are so easily shown to be untrue?
AND was a violation of both US and International asylum laws.
The law says otherwise.
He considers them ALL feral cats regardless of their status. Our fellow human beings.
Salazar said it was not clear whether any laws had been broken, but he said that 48 migrants appeared to have been "lured under false pretenses" into staying at a hotel for a couple of days before they were flown to Florida and Martha's Vineyard.
Unless this Sheriff can prove some systemic coercion or fraud, there’s really not a federal crime here. On the other hand, if he cannot, he should be prosecuted for an investigation without a predicate.
This was the political stunt. Notice how the left wants to try and prosecute all of their political opponents.
As for the progressives on Martha's Vineyard, they opined for years about "diversity." Gov DeSantis gave them diversity and they shuffled those people off to a military base on Cape Cod.
First, he's looking into possible state crime(s). If he finds any he can pass the information to the FBI to investigate for possible federal crimes. He already has a enough to to open an investigation of human trafficking simply from the victim statements.
Hmmm... that's not what you said about the 2020 election claims. You stated and supported statements that a court case must proceed so evidence could be found during discovery. I'm not sure you know how the law works...
No, but I have noticed how some on the right commit crimes for political gain. I'd wonder how they can continue to call themselves the "law and order party", but then hypocrisy isn't new to the hyper-partisan.
Talk about political stunts... you're posts are filled with illogical partisan hatred. Instead of supporting these left/right political bullshit circuses you join those of us in the middle to call for a meaningful overhaul of our immigration system to be equitable, fully staffed and properly funded so we can quickly shuffle people through to make proper status determinations.
I remember the democrats bashing a sheriff for enforcing laws, including federal immigration laws, and suing a state for enforcing federal immigration laws saying it was not theirs to do. Now this Democrat sheriff takes it upon himself to attempt to enforce a non existent law and the left lives him.
On one hand the left claims that states and LEO'S are not allowed to enforce federal law or even to copy it into state law because federal law is not in their jurisdiction and on the other hand they will praise this sheriff for doing an investigation into something that is clearly not in his bailiwick.
When you've done something that may very well be illegal and you've done it in his county, his job is to investigate and figure out if you broke the law.
Point blank, there was never any reason at all for Ron DeSantis to pull political stunts in Texas. He needs to fuck off back to Kissimmee and mind his own business.
So you think Sheriff Arpaio of Maricopa county in Arizona was ok in investigating illegal aliens and the state of Arizona was ok in passing a law telling Leo's in that state that they should investigate illegals in that state.
What is it exactly that you imagine is happening here?
What is actually happening is that the Bexar County Sheriff is investigating potential human trafficking that may have happened in San Antonio...which is in Bexar County. That trafficking...if it did happen...was allegedly conducted by Americans, supposedly sent into Texas by the governor of another state. So this is part of his job. There is no universe where this isn't part of his job.
So do I think Sherrif Joe should have investigated reports of potential human trafficking in his own county? Absolutely. That would have been his job. 100%.
Sorry Perrie, I am way late to this party!
In response to McFrost at #3.2.5
Well more than 50 undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers (hundreds of thousands actually) have been flown or bussed all over the US to other cities and across state lines by the Federal Government and by local State and city governments for many years, often with little warning and putting a tremendous strain on the local resources in those destination places. I think it is fairly reasonable to suggest that people and leaders who designate their cities as “sanctuaries” for undocumented immigrants should help accommodate them, especially since it is their intent not to cooperate with Federal immigration law/enforcement.
And from Revillug at #3.2.6
Indeed not appropriate, but not as though it wasn't being done since March 2021 already by the Biden Administration , and still is.
Many of these people were asylum seekers who were never even given the opportunity to file for asylum before coming in one door and being expelled through another unfamiliar door. In total, from March 2021 to October 2021 an estimated 22,100 people were expelled to Mexico as a result of these lateral flights just to El Paso, San Diego and Tucson.
Mixed messages about policy, particularly on the campaign trail and early in President Biden's presidency, also created some false pretense and false hope for migrants coming to cross the border:
Both parties have failed to enforce our current immigration laws and neglected to move on any meaningful immigration reform. Instead they continue to engage in political stunts and the partisan blame game and it is nauseating.