Flu hospitalizations hit decade high amid early viral surge

  

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Via:  perrie-halpern  •  3 weeks ago  •  104 comments

By:   Erika Edwards

Flu hospitalizations hit decade high amid early viral surge
Flu hospitalization rates are higher than seen in the past decade, the CDC said, as RSV and other respiratory viruses also spread rapidly.

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The U.S. is seeing the highest flu hospitalization rates in a decade for this time of year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday, with people ages 65 and up hit the hardest, followed by young children.

The rise comes as other respiratory viruses, including respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV, are also spreading early and rapidly.

Common winter viruses tend to peak in December and January — not October and November — though it's unclear how the early and intense spread of respiratory viruses will ultimately play out this season.

"Right now, we're not seeing anything that would lead us to believe that it is more severe," Lynnette Brammer, team lead of the domestic influenza surveillance team at the CDC, said of the flu during a media briefing Friday. "It's just early right now."

Still, Dawn O'Connell, assistant secretary for preparedness and responseat the Department of Health and Human Services, warned that the U.S. will undoubtably "face some challenges this winter."

It's the first time since the beginning of the Covid pandemic that run-of-the-mill respiratory viruses are again circulating widely. Masks are off. Kids are back in school. People are congregating as they did pre-pandemic.

While lockdowns and masking were important to slow the spread of Covid earlier in the pandemic, they had a secondary impact: They also slowed the spread of other respiratory illnesses like the flu and RSV. Young children, as a result, didn't encounter these viruses, leaving them with little to no immunity.

"We suspect that many children are being exposed to some respiratory viruses now for the first time, having avoided these viruses during the height of the pandemic," Dr. Jose Romero, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during Friday's briefing.

Nationally, 76% of pediatric hospital beds are occupied, according to an NBC News analysis of HHS data. Twenty states are at 80% capacity or higher.

The CDC reported extremely high levels of flu-like illnesses in the Southeast, particularly in Alabama, South Carolina and Tennessee.

Another 13 states — Arkansas, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia — also reported significant levels of spread.

The report only looks at "influenza-like" illnesses — with symptoms including a fever of at least 100 degrees Fahrenheit, cough and/or sore throat with any other known cause — as clinicians are not required to report each positive flu test to public health officials.

Other respiratory viruses, including rhinoviruses and enteroviruses, are also circulating widely, and could account for some of those illnesses.

221104-cdc-influenza-map-mn-1300-158296.png Influenza-like illnesses are spiking in the Southeast, especially in Alabama, South Carolina and Tennessee.CDC

The CDC estimated that, overall, there have been 1.6 million cases of the flu so far this season. Among those, 730 people have died.

That includes four children, according to state health departments: two in Texas, one in North Carolina and another in South Carolina.

RSV, another respiratory virus, is also spiking unseasonably early this year.

"We are seeing more cases of RSV than we have ever seen," said Dr. Rachel Orscheln, a pediatric infectious diseases specialist at St. Louis Children's Hospital in Missouri.

RSV is a common virus, and usually affects babies in their first year or two of life. While the vast majority of young children will only develop a minor cold, they are the ones most at risk for the worst outcomes. Babies who become sick enough to be admitted to the hospital often need help breathing. In some cases, they require mechanical ventilation.

Two children have reportedly died of RSV this season: a 6-year-old boy in Michigan and a baby in Virginia.

RSV typically hits Southeastern states hardest first, said Romero. That's what happened so far this season, with the initial spike in the Southeast. RSV has eased up somewhat in those areas and is now spreading elsewhere across the country.

"We'll probably start seeing cases rise on the West Coast in the coming weeks," said Dr. Meredith McMorrow, a pediatrician and team lead for Enhanced Surveillance Platforms at the CDC.


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magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1  magicschoolbusdropout    3 weeks ago

Heck .... I thought the Flu and all other respiratory Illness's had been irradicated. Guess Not ?

"Politics" can really mess things up for the population, can't it !

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1    3 weeks ago

When was the announcement made that all respiratory illnesses had been "irradicated"?  Link?

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1    3 weeks ago
When was the announcement made that all respiratory illnesses had been "irradicated"?  Link?

Is that what you got from my Post, when everything was just "Covid" that went on since 2019, which excluded any Flu/Resperatory , Cancer or any other Illness (4 Years worth of NO News)?

No News is Good News .... RIGHT ?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.1.2  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1    3 weeks ago

In other words, make things up and run with it...

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.3  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @1.1.2    3 weeks ago
In other words, make things up and run with it...

Do explain how Anything But Covid was eliminated from the watch list other than COVID for 4 years ?

Now we're into OMG ...... FLU.... Respitory Illness.....GROWING by suprise.....We're Dooooomed !

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

I quoted your words.  Did you mean for the takeaway of your own words to be something other than what you actually said?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.1.5  Ender  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

Explain to me how you think a global pandemic would not take precedent.

The flu is still killing some people, that has never stopped.

So you would rather they not report on it?

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.6  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @1.1.5    3 weeks ago
So you would rather they not report on it?

Was that a "Serious Understanding" of what I posted..... Seriously ?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.1.7  Ender  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.6    3 weeks ago

So you would just rather make false claims, ok...

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.8  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.4    3 weeks ago
I quoted your words. 

And didn't understand what it said !

Got It !

How many reports did you see on Flu and respiratory prevention for the last 4 years ?

Did you read this article about the New "Red Flag" we seem to be in now ?

Why would your typical Flu and Respiratory Illness all of a sudden become a "Red Flag" ?

"Cause it was ignored for 4 years ? 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.9  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @1.1.7    3 weeks ago
So you would just rather make false claims, ok...

Which "False" claim did I make ?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.8    3 weeks ago

So, no link, then.

Noted.

You either made a false assumption on the basis of nothing, and ran with it, or have deliberately built a straw man.  Which are we to conclude?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.1.11  Ender  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.9    3 weeks ago

You are the one saying you thought things were eradicated....

But go ahead and say that is not what you meant...

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.12  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @1.1.11    3 weeks ago
You are the one saying you thought things were eradicated....

Did you purposely miss my "No News must be Good News Commnet ?

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.13  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.10    3 weeks ago
You either made a false assumption on the basis of nothing, and ran with it, or have deliberately built a straw man.  Which are we to conclude?

Just because you WON'T understand a comment doesn't make it wrong.

Try Thinking harder about what I posted.... won't you ?

Oh, and Think about how "Flu/Respiratory Illness watches were left out of the CDC and even Fauci responses to watch out for, for the last 4 years.

It's not a very hard thought to muster !

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.1.14  Ender  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.12    3 weeks ago

It would make sense that during lockdown cases of the flu would drop as well.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.15  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @1.1.14    3 weeks ago
It would make sense that during lockdown cases of the flu would drop as well.

So vaccinations wouldn't be needed as long as your "Locked Down" ?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.16  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.13    3 weeks ago

Flu was never eradicated (note the correct spelling), nor did anybody ever claim that it was.

for the last 4 years.

Four years, eh?

So, no link to support your claim that all upper respiratory illnesses had been eradicated, nor that anybody had said so (apart from you, so that you could argue with something nobody said).

And your timeline needs revision.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
1.1.17  independent Liberal  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.15    3 weeks ago

The lockdowns were complete failures. The consequences to our school children were devastating. The rise in illiteracy and grade level learning have been catastrophic to say the least. Those who pushed for lockdowns did so without any science to prove the effectiveness or lack their off. These leaders all of them should face the criticism.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.18  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.15    3 weeks ago
So vaccinations wouldn't be needed as long as your "Locked Down" ?

Another straw man.  Nobody every said vaccinations wouldn't be needed, either.

You're batting zero today.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.19  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.18    3 weeks ago
Another straw man.  Nobody every said vaccinations wouldn't be needed, either.

Grasping at Straws !

You're batting zero today.

Best answer from one that didn't understand the original comment they are responding too ?

Remind me about what "Bathing in Zero" is ? 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.1.20  Ender  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.19    3 weeks ago

The thing is, you could clear up any misconception in a second yet you would rather keep on with a charade.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.21  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.16    3 weeks ago
Flu was never eradicated (note the correct spelling),

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Was my Punctuation up to your standards ? jrSmiley_123_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

I NEVER claimed "IT ACTUALLY WAS" either ?

Read Commnet No. 1 over and over, and try to comprehend what is being said, IF YOU CAN ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.22  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @1.1.20    3 weeks ago
The thing is, you could clear up any misconception in a second yet

What are you having a hard time understanding ?

It might help, if you Read Comment No1 as many times as you need to and then think about it for awhile before responding as fast as you can. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.1.23  Ender  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.22    3 weeks ago

So once again you would rather play games.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.24  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.19    3 weeks ago
Remind me about what "Bathing in Zero" is ? 

You're going to have to help yourself there, as it's a phrase that is unfamiliar to me, and not one I've ever used.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.25  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.21    3 weeks ago
Was my Punctuation up to your standards ?

Do not ask questions to which you'd likely rather not have the answers.

I NEVER claimed "IT ACTUALLY WAS" either ?

Your words:

I thought the Flu and all other respiratory Illness's had been irradicated.

Now, incorrect spelling and pluralization notwithstanding, you either did make the claim, or implied that somebody else has.  Nobody else did.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.26  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.25    3 weeks ago
Now, incorrect spelling and pluralization notwithstanding, 

Oh Thank God for That ! 

Whew !

you either did make the claim, or implied that somebody else has.

I did Neither, and NEVER Implied it was an actual "Somebody" or a "Claim" I was referencing in my very first comment that got you all Flustered !

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.27  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.26    3 weeks ago

So, you

thought the Flu and all other respiratory Illness's had been irradicated.

on the basis of nothing at all.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.28  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.21    3 weeks ago

You're the only one digging a hole here.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.29  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.27    3 weeks ago
So, you
thought the Flu and all other respiratory Illness's had been irradicated.
on the basis of nothing at all.

No Flu or other Virus News during Covid was Great News !

Now that the "Covid" Pandemic is Over (Brandon Says so), Guess what.... Heeeeeerrrres the FLU with a vengence (Did I spell that correctly?) ! 

Get it now..... ?

Probably Not !

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.30  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.29    3 weeks ago

So, you assume that a virus that isn't in the news has been eradicated?

How bizarre.

I mean, considering we've only ever managed to eradicate two viruses in history (smallpox and rinderpest, which affects mostly cattle), why would you assume we've eradicated all respiratory illnesses besides one?  You do know that we don't vaccinate for illnesses that have been eradicated, for obvious reasons, yes?  Were flu shots taken off the market as unnecessary at any point since the pandemic began?  No, they were not.  Because nobody ever hinted that influenza had been eradicated.  Everybody just knew that the measures taken to prevent and slow the spread of Covid also prevent and slow the spread of flu.

Except you, by your own admission.  

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.31  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.30    3 weeks ago
So, you assume that a virus that isn't in the news has been eradicated? How bizarre.

Face Palm !

Title of the Article:  Flu Hospitalizations Hit Decade High Amid Early Viral Surge !

You do know what a decade is .... Right ? 

Now how could that have happened with everything we know, have known and have been told about the Flu for more than a couple decades ?

Could it be...... Flu, and any other Illness Warnings didn't deem much "Press" time from 2019 to 2022, do to "Politics" ? ?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.32  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.31    3 weeks ago

Shuffle, shuffle. Anything not to own your words.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.33  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.32    3 weeks ago
Shuffle, shuffle. Anything not to own your words.

My Ace High Straight Flush beat your Two 2's a long time ago. Why do you have this need to keep shuffle the deck YOU delt from ?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.34  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.33    3 weeks ago

Still batting zero.  Nobody gave you reason to believe flu or any other respiratory disease had been eradicated.  And yet here you are, acting as if anyone did.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.35  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.34    3 weeks ago
Still batting zero.  Nobody gave you reason to believe flu or any other respiratory disease had been eradicated.  And yet here you are, acting as if anyone did.

Whatever Boosts your ego !

Kissler also discussed how lower flu prevalence this year creates uncertainties about how the virus will evolve in the future. “We have no idea how obliterating the flu for an entire year affects its evolution,” he said. “We don’t know if it’s going to be easier to predict next year’s flu strain, because it hasn’t been spreading as much. Or if it’s going to be a lot harder, because it’s gone through this really tight…evolutionary bottleneck.”

But, But, But ........ BUT !

Weird Huh ?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.36  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.35    3 weeks ago

From your link:

it hasn’t been spreading as much.

So, it has been spreading. That means it hasn't been eradicated.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.37  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.35    3 weeks ago

The flu was never obliterated.  

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.38  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.36    3 weeks ago
So, it has been spreading. That means it hasn't been eradicated.

According to 2019 to 2022 no-reporting on it.... It wasn't even close to being news worthy, until now, so thus.... It must have been "Irradicated" .... snicker !

Politics !

When's the last CDC report/redflag/warning about the Flu ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.39  Tessylo  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.38    3 weeks ago

What does that mean - no reporting on it?  Makes no sense.

Why do you keep going on and on about something that hasn't happened?

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.40  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.39    3 weeks ago
What does that mean - no reporting on it? 

It's very "Self Explanatory", and NOT hard to understand. 

No news is good news

If  you   hear   nothing  or  receive  no  updates,  it  means   that   everything  is  going  as it  should   and   nothing   bad   has   happened. 
Having  no  information   means   that   bad   developments   are   unlikely,  as in I  haven't   heard   from   them  in a  month,   but  no  news  is  good   news This   proverbial   phrase   may   have   originated   with   King   James  I of  England,   who   allegedly   said   "No   news  is  better   than   evil   news"   (1616).
 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.41  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.38    3 weeks ago

Good grief.  Do you think newspapers sell copies or TV news shows sell ads by reporting entirely ordinary events?  Of course they don't.  That doesn't mean those events don't happen. It just means they're not newsworthy.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
1.1.42  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.41    3 weeks ago

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sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
1.1.43  sandy-2021492  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.42    3 weeks ago

No, it wouldn't. Your tickets are for meta.  You are clearly engaging in repeated meta, which you know will be deleted.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.1.44  cjcold  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @1.1.9    3 weeks ago

The flu was never ignored. In fact, I got my flu vaccination at the same time and place that I received my covid vaccines. CVS is very handy.

While it is understandable that media focused on the covid pandemic, there have been many articles on the flu and flu vaccines over the past several years. Something tells me that you do not read those sorts of publications. 

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2  independent Liberal    3 weeks ago

The administration needs to issue an emergency authorization so the makers of Vioxx can put out an MRNA vaccine for the flu. Then we can shame one another for not getting it and forgetting the horrors of our pharmaceutical system where the company conducts it's own inhouse trials and submits generalized studies for peer review.

Who's first?

I went to the doctor yesterday and filled out a 6 page questionnaire with some interesting questions. Many were aimed at heart and neurological conditions.  When I finally got back to the doctor I asked.  She explained that their parent company is looking for vaccine side effects that are going undiagnosed. It's a massive healthcare company and evidently they are seeing an epidemic of side effects from our last round of vaccines. It was shocking to say the least.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2    3 weeks ago

An anti-vaxxer aye?

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.1  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1    3 weeks ago

I took the moderna vaccine, thank you very much. I live in a very blue city and my Doctor is a rabid democrat. How's that for you?

Do you think putting blinders on and firing off a cute little quip actually accomplishes something?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

Do you think what you said accomplishes anything?

I can say I am a Liberal yet somehow words matter.

I live in a very red city in a very red county in a very red state.

Does not make me conservative.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.1.3  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Ender @2.1.2    3 weeks ago
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independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.4  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

Why does sharing an experience at the doctor upset you. Do you not think that we should look into products that may have unintended consequences? 

Further more the best thing you can do to mitigate risk regarding common flus and upper respiratory viruses is to live a healthy life style. I suggest getting all your food sources from regenerative agricultural farms and ranches. Exercise, don't drink or smoke. Maintain a healthy weight and get sun light every day. These will do more to help than most things modern medicine has to offer.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.5  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

Who said it upset me? Making things up I see.

get sun light every day

Not particularly a wise choice Imo.

Living a healthy lifestyle is not a new concept. No matter how healthy one can be there is always the need for modern medicine.

Disease happens and without 'modern medicine' a lot of people would be dead.

Also depends on where people live and what they do. For instance a coal miner is not going to be as healthy as an airline pilot.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.6  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

Sunlight is beneficial, please tell me you know this? Too much of anything can be detrimental. I would hope you are smart enough to know this. 

Living like a vampire is no way to live.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.7  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.6    3 weeks ago

Can I ask how old you are? As in my generation, we grew up in the sun. Now facing the ramifications.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.8  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1.7    3 weeks ago

Were you not aware they make a product called sun screen at the time? I've lived my entire life knowing that.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.9  independent Liberal  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.1.3    3 weeks ago
I can say I am a Liberal yet somehow words matter.

This is dog whistle for I am a democrat not a liberal, and if you don't say the right words and carry the company narrative you have no value.

This is the difference between dedicated ideologue such as my self and someone who simply wants to wear a t-shirt when their corrupt establishment team wins. Partisan loyalists are a stain on this country.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.10  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.8    3 weeks ago

Again, how old are you? In my day people would lay out in the sun or on the beach and slather themselves in oil.

For someone that was upset for someone else firing little quips, you seem to be good at it.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.11  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.9    3 weeks ago

What in the world do you think a dedicated ideologue is? A partisan loyalist...

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.12  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1.10    3 weeks ago

In my 50's, sunscreen was invented in 1938.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.13  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1.11    3 weeks ago

I subscribe to liberal beliefs, that includes very little from the democrat or republican party. Pulling this back to the topic, I remember when liberals condomed big pharma, after all they have knowingly killed millions of people and settled fraud cases on their studies for years with no criminal consequence. Tell me when we blindly decided to call them heroes and shame those that remember their recent past.

Our pharma system needs to be reformed, we are one of two countries that allow the manufacture to conduct the study with little review. They often find their product to be dangerous and weight the sales versus fraud fines as they did with Vioxx before the 60k people died as a result of their product. When and why would a liberal question ones choice to wait to take a product until it is proven effective and the risk minimal? I have an answer for you, a liberal wouldn't.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.14  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.13    3 weeks ago

Ok, what are these Liberal beliefs?

I didn't know there was a handbook...

So far you sound more Libertarian than Liberal.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.15  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.12    3 weeks ago
In my 50's

For the record, same. '67

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.16  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1.14    3 weeks ago

We probably should move back to the topic. Not everything is political, you brought that to the conversation by calling a vaccinated and educated person an antivaxxer. Another dog whistle used by democrats to dismiss the mind and thoughts of another human who has something to say, something to contribute.

You can cover your eyes, plug your ears but it won't make it go away.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.17  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.13    3 weeks ago
Our pharma system needs to be reformed, we are one of two countries that allow the manufacture to conduct the study with little review. They often find their product to be dangerous and weight the sales versus fraud fines as they did with Vioxx before the 60k people died as a result of their product. When and why would a liberal question ones choice to wait to take a product until it is proven effective and the risk minimal? I have an answer for you, a liberal wouldn't.

I don't see anyone particularly enamored with 'big pharma'. Hell the dems have been trying to get the cost of insulin under control.

Just because the dems wanted people to get vaccinated doesn't mean they condone every thing they do.

If one listens to all the commercials about the pill industry, hell every one of them says they could cause death.

What the problem seems to be is pushing pills or shots as a form of, how can I say, doctoring.

The one thing I would actually praise trump for was pushing for a vaccine.

The funny thing is, none of this is new. Back in our earlier days there was pushes against masks and vaccines.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.18  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.16    3 weeks ago
You can cover your eyes, plug your ears but it won't make it go away.

Yes I did say that. Never denied it. I would say it again. This place has several anti-vaxxers and they use every excuse in the book. So call me skeptical.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.19  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1.18    3 weeks ago

Placing people in boxes so that you don't have to communicate with them or with the intention of putting yourself on a pedestal is exactly the opposite of what sites like this were designed for. Dehumanizing members, people is an exercise in low intelligence and is the reason we cannot have productive conversations with people that have different opinions. It is also one of the reasons violence is becoming an option in American politics.

We need to talk to one another like we are face to face. Welcoming people with an insult like that is unacceptable. I doubt you would treat someone that way in person.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.20  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.19    3 weeks ago

Are you saying I wouldn't ask someone in person if they were an anti-vaxxer?

Of course I would.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
2.1.21  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @2.1.20    3 weeks ago

That was not your intend by your quip and you know it. I am saying be more polite to people and you will foster better conversations. That is the right thing to do.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.22  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.21    3 weeks ago

I will see how long you keep up this mantra and who it ends up being directed at.

Always shows sometime or another.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.1.23  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.1.3    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.9    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  independent Liberal @2.1.21    3 weeks ago
I am saying be more polite to people and you will foster better conversations.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.1.26  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.1.23    3 weeks ago

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magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.1.27  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.1.26    3 weeks ago

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magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.1.28  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.1.27    3 weeks ago

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magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.1.29  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.1.28    3 weeks ago

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magicschoolbusdropout
Sophomore Principal
2.1.30  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2.1.29    3 weeks ago

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Raven Wing
Professor Guide
2.1.31  Raven Wing  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.25    3 weeks ago
I am saying be more polite to people and you will foster better conversations.

It would appear that he does not know what the word polite means. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.32  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.25    3 weeks ago

Please consider leading us all by example.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.1.33  cjcold  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.31    3 weeks ago

I fully understand the word 'polite' but there are a few here that I simply don't care to be polite to. I'll never be polite to a troll (of which we have gained a couple of new ones it seems). 

I figure that if a fascist is called a fascist long and often enough, he/she might change.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.34  Tessylo  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.31    3 weeks ago

I was mocking liberal independent who only seems to be mocking Democrats and others are taking it and running with it.  

 
 
 
George
Freshman Participates
2.1.35  George  replied to  cjcold @2.1.33    3 weeks ago

“I figure that if a fascist is called a fascist long enough, he/she might change.“

So you recommend continuing to call democrats racist until they change?

Hopefully they will realize that democrats can get into college without their help?

That voting laws don’t impact people of color more simply based on the color of their skin?

That people of color are smart enough to raise their own children despite what Biden thinks?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.37  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.34    3 weeks ago
I was mocking liberal independent who only seems to be mocking

Exactly, the double mocking akin to the double dare.  With the lack of a IP response, have you considered elevating this to the double dog mock?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.38  Drinker of the Wry  replied to    3 weeks ago
This is why more fat republicans died during covid than any other group.

Who new that there were so many repubs of color.

Total cumulative data show Black, Hispanic, American Indian or Alaska Native (AIAN) , and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander (NHOPI) people have experienced higher rates of COVID-19 cases and deaths compared to White people when data are adjusted to account for differences in age by race and ethnicity.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.40  Drinker of the Wry  replied to    3 weeks ago
7% Native American and 13% Black

Which parts of you are NA and which parts are Black?  Do those percentages indicate that your torso is White?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.42  Drinker of the Wry  replied to    3 weeks ago

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Raven Wing
Professor Guide
2.1.43  Raven Wing  replied to  cjcold @2.1.33    3 weeks ago

cj....being polite to someone who is impolite to you is a way to show them for what they are. As the old saying goes...."kill them with kindness." It only pleases them more when you sink to their level. So let them show themselves to be what they prefer to be. It's no skin off your back is it?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1.44  Trout Giggles  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.43    3 weeks ago

That's very good advice but sometimes it's so hard to follow thhru

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
2.1.45  Raven Wing  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.34    3 weeks ago

I know, Tessy. But, do you really think they will change their MO with anything you or anyone else says to them? They, and others like them seem to be here on NT only to stir the pot.

The thing they hate more than anything is to be ignored. They and those like them are not worthy of my limited time here on NT, so I concentrate my time on my Friends here who have far more important and interesting things to say, or do. 

Not out to change what anyone else chooses to say or do, it's just how I prefer to utilize my time here on NT.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
2.1.47  Raven Wing  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.44    3 weeks ago
it's so hard to follow thhru

I understand, and I've had a few days as well. But, I still try. I'm by no means perfect, nor do I think I am. I just prefer to be me, and not them. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
2.1.48  Raven Wing  replied to    3 weeks ago

Thank you, Furry Diamondtop

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.49  Drinker of the Wry  replied to    3 weeks ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.51  Texan1211  replied to    3 weeks ago
Purposefully using a different name for me is a clear microaggression.

Wow.

Who knew that liberals considered any aggression as 'micro'?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.52  Drinker of the Wry  replied to    3 weeks ago

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cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.1.53  cjcold  replied to  George @2.1.35    3 weeks ago

4 whole sentences of far right wing insanity.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3  Drinker of the Wry    3 weeks ago
I figure that if a fascist is called a fascist long enough, he/she might change

Good figuring, calling people names worked well in WWII, but isn't calling someone a fascist, trolling by definition?

 
 

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