'How dare you': Mother of two sons who died of fentanyl demands Biden apologize for laughing about her story
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The mother of two sons who died due to an accidental fentanyl poisoning blasted President Joe Biden for laughing while telling the story of their tragic death, demanding he apologize and "show some serious concern for the lives lost."
In a video posted Wednesday night, Kiessling said Biden's Wednesday comments about her sons' deaths were "unacceptable."
"I'm shocked to see the video today, as President Biden talked about a congresswoman who misspoke when she said that my children's deaths are the cause of President Biden's policy failures," Kiessling said.
"As president Biden was speaking about this mother who lost her two sons, he starts to laugh… This is how you speak about the death of my sons? Because a congresswoman misspoke? You mock the loss of my sons? How dare you. What is the matter with you?" she shared in an emotional statement.
Kiessling testified before Congress on Wednesday about her two sons, Caleb and Kyler, who died in 2020 after taking painkillers that they were unaware were laced with fentanyl. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., later said that Kiessling's sons passed as a result of Biden's handling of the southern border crisis, but the deaths occurred a few months before he was sworn in.
In Biden's attempt to defend himself from Greene's statement, he laughed while sharing the tragic story of Kiessling's sons during a speech to Democratic lawmakers.
Rebecca Kiessling, a mother from Michigan who lost two sons to fentanyl poisoning, wipes away tears during a House Homeland Security Committee about the U.S-Mexico border on Capitol Hill February 28, 2023 in Washington, DC. This is the committee's first hearing on border security since the Republicans took control of the House.(Drew Angerer)
"The interesting thing is that fentanyl the boys took came during the last administration," Biden said with a laugh, noting that since the boys passed away a few months before he took office in 2021. "Look folks, anyway, I don't want to get started," he said.
"Almost every Democrat on the committee offered condolences, they at least had the decency to do that. You can't even do that? You have to mock my pain?" Kiessling said in her video.
Kiessling said in her video that many administrations "failed" to properly address drug and fentanyl crisis, but said that Biden is not blameless either.
"But what about the 22% increase in fentanyl deaths since you became president? Since you changed your policy at the border. That represents tens of thousands of U.S. citizens who died on your watch," she said in a statement directed at Biden.
"Are you going to keep laughing? About those who did die under your watch? Do we have to bring them in so you can look them in the eyes and laugh? What is wrong with you?," she added.
President Biden made the remarks at the House Democratic Caucus Issues Conference In Baltimore.(Drew Angerer)
"This is unacceptable, and our president needs to apologize to me, and he needs to be held accountable," she said, urging Biden to apologize for his comments.
Kiessling also said the president needs to do more to tackle the drug crisis in the United States and mass amount of fentanyl coming into America through the southern border.
"And I wish he would show some serious concern for the lives lost. His behavior today speaks volumes, and it tells you where his heart is. Do something. Don't be a coward. Do something," she said.
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Biden is a rotten bastard.
boo hoo hoo, scratch 2 future maga voters...
Now there is the compassion the left has become known for!
You are sure she and they were Republicans? I don't see her political preference listed.
If she wasn't a Republican before; I am sure Brandon has made her into one now.
It is only scratch them now because they might have voted Republican. Had they been Democrats, he probably would have been getting absentee ballots in their name now!
bfd, willful ignorance seems to be a problem in her family.
Drug addicts aren't big on voting.
You think the mother is a drug addict?
Really?
Care to prove it.
... but look at where the most who do vote are living in the US.
Big blue cities.
From your comment. 1.1
"She" is the mother and "they" were the drug addicts. I know how you like to drag people into a rabbit hole of nit picking grammar and syntax arguments but it won't happen with me.
Seems like he was asking for proof for what someone claimed. Why is that a problem?
The irony there is fantastic.
no, but here's a hint. I hear banjos...
A great African instrument.
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Why should anyone have compassion for far right wing fascists?
Especially those who abuse known lethal drugs.
Next thing you know y'all will want me to feel sorry for Rush.
Exactly, it’s not like they were born that way like trans or queers.
They could just say no.
It’s hard to keep up but he’s dead.
Thanks Nancy. I'm sure that will sway the day.
Dead or alive Rush and his continuing fascist ideology sickens me.
Maybe you can just admit that, to you, anything and anyone that does not toe your radical leftist ideals are fascists.
Have you always written stupid shit?
The stupidest shit in the comments on this article are the weeks worth of false outrage over what Biden never did!
Do you expect respect for all your manufactured outrage?
Meh...
When anyone on the right gets anywhere near the 7 years of the left's false outrage of what Trump never did, then maybe you have something.
I haven’t manufactured any outrage, what have I said that you viewed that way?
I'm sure you do.
I wish to God you would freaking learn how to use the word "fascism" correctly at long last.
I don't give a fuck who you 'feel sorry' for. I don't want you to do a damn thing except learn to use words properly.
That would be you. Like your remark about 'queers' above.
Has been the last 40+ years he has been in elected office.
The key word here is...............elected.
The kid died in 2020, Trump was president.
Exactly, isn’t that why Biden was laughing?
I'm laughing now too. I researched this professional victim online. she's a thumped out rwnj anti-choice activist and public speaker. she makes her living gushing crocodile tears in front of paying groups and when the cameras are rolling. she's touched all the wack job bases on her way to thumper immortality. a thumper movie about her, 700 club, and FOX news. another victim in search of a spotlight. a family lawyer that apparently can't keep her own family together. she counts 2 miscarriages among her 5 children and the special needs child she actually conceived, she either had institutionalized or put up for adoption. it also looks like her former husband hit the eject button as well. with all that stress and madness in her home, I suspect her 2 adopted sons either felt a strong need to be in a drugged stupor while in her manic presence and accidentally OD'd, or they performed a suicide pact because of her ongoing insanity in their home life. her tears are as real as her hair color. but don't believe me, google her yourself. more xtian nationalist theater.
The mother was a victim of drug abuse attached to her sons. It is a tragic story. So she is a victim and one could argue she is a victim of easy access to opioid "painkillers" that cross the southern border. Ok, I will buy that.
What she is not, is a victim of Joe Biden. As Dig pointed out below, Biden did not mock her, he mocked Marjorie Taylor Greene for lying about him.
This is a problem we have every minute of every day in this country with the current political right, far too many of them have little regard for reality and want to create their own.
The mother is a conservative activist already prone to criticize Democrats and she jumped at the opportunity. That is what happened, right wing imaginations aside.
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did I miss something in her bio?
so sorry, zero compassion for thumpers and trumpsters available...
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In this case, you gotta consider the source.
Most liberals I know aren’t remotely as whacked in the head as that.
Not even close actually.
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If you ever posted something with information in it instead of pointless digs I think everyone here would die of shock.
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I agree but we know that will never happen.
Yawn, more moron approved drivel.
Talk about boring .....
Ah, the truth! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!! Looking at her photo, the first thing I thought was crocodile tears and faux victimhood.
You're awesome!!!!!
I agree with a lot of what you're saying except for her being a victim.
... a professional victim that has monetized the deaths of her 2 adopted sons.
She was unlikely to collect on any civil suit with the Mexican cartels.
Exactly, she is probably happy to be rid of those losers.
how much has she collected and from whom?
or are you just guessing again sans any factual information?
I didn't look at how much she charges on her website to turn on the waterworks, but thumpers don't do very much without the collection plate being passed down the aisle. if she was being charitable, she settled for the RT flight, hotel, meals, and riding her choice of rwnj's around her suite.
so I was right, just yet another wild guess not based on facts.
good to know and thanks for confirming.
I didn't see any solicitation for funds on her site.
the post didn't bother to verify any facts before guessing.
Interesting.
How much has she made?
as a professional victim or as a lawyer?
probably not enough to pay back her adoptive parents for raising her and then college, after she blew them off when she was in law school and converted from judaism to mackerel snapper.
still just guessing and speculation without benefit of factual information.
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He does quite frequently, but some people reject them because it does not match their particular political world view.
Both.
I dunno, ask her...
you looking to do a few laps?
hint: she gets real hot if you start praying.
What 'value added' do you see in your post?
... comedy gold.
is mocking people of faith the extent of your enjoyment of life?
click on book rebecca. it depends upon the location, the event type, and your budget...
...partly, but mostly stupid people in general. trumpsters, the mentally challenged you can make fun of...
I figured that since that seems to be your primary vocation.
Well, that and making horrible, unbelievable accusations and guesses about things you don't seem to have a clue about.
Sounds like a real mature, adult thing to do.
oh, yeah.
I keep forgetting:
/s.
Well you're the one making the claim. I figured you had some sort of evidence.
Not even a snowball's chance in hell.
He always adds some humor/value with every comment while you on the other hand . . .
Yeah, last I heard willful ignorance isn't a valid mental defense.
He is funnier than you, fer shure.
And a far right wing fascist mother tries to blame Biden for her poor parenting.
Exactly, just like crack heads and other drug abusers, it’s the parents fault,
He was laughing at trump and his moron supporters. How can you not see this?
What makes you think that I don’t see that?
What a moronic post.
We have come to learn that anyone that does not toe the cjcold loon left line is an automatic fascist.
I don't think anyone was surprised that he threw that out.
The thing is, Biden never laughed about those men's deaths. He made a dismissively gutteral "Huh Huh" regarding Marjorie Taylor-Greene blaming him personally. Those overdoses were in 2020.
The thing about false grace is that it is false. For a week we have here been treated to hair on fire false indignation about something that plainly never happened. Again, FALSE! FALSE! FALSE!
As to a "Dems do it too" dodge? False Equivalence = FALSE!
All the right-wing pontifications in the comments are FALSE!
By no true assessment did Biden laugh about those deaths...
I thought he chuckled that fentanyl crossed the border under Trump’s watch.
FALSE! Watch the video. Either way, in no way did he laugh. He did not chuckle. There is no truthful interpretation where President Biden laughed about the overdose deaths of those men...
He scoffed at Marjorie Taylor-Greene blaming him personally!
I did.
I didn’t say that he laughed about their deaths, you’re confused.
If he was indeed mocking MTG, he showed some incredibly bad timing to do so in front of that mother while she was talking about her late son's. He owes her a apology at least for that.
He did chuckle.
He said "when the fentanyl came over during the past administration...chuckle...chuckle."
If you are not seeing it, you are just ignoring it because it will prove your narrative wrong.
Then read the headline again and explain for us all how Biden was laughing about those men dying of fentanyl overdoses!
No need to reread the headline, you need to rewatch the video.
I don't need to reread the headline.
He chuckled when he essentially mocked her for blaming him for the kids' death, but that the drug that killed them came over during the Trump years.
How does he know the drugs came over then. They very well could have came over during the Obama admin. You know...when Joe was VP, but that is something that can't be proven.
He didn't say anything in front of the mother. She was asked her reaction to the same bit of video we have all seen where he definitively was not laughing about her son's overdoses!
Exactly, he was chuckling about MTG careless research and that fentanyl crossed our border even during the Trump years. That's some funny shit.
I read an amusing article several weeks ago, "Boston public health officials have alerted health care providers in the city about a “concerning” increase in overdoses that connect the powerful opioid fentanyl to the use of cocaine."
Who knew that there were so many MAGA billies in Beantown?
He scoffed at MTG's rankly opportunistic false outrage...
Indirectly he chuckled over the deaths of two children, blowing it off by saying they died during the past administration.
Any way you look at it, he was being a POS.
Exactly, selective outrage. Should he compare fentanyl deaths by year? Funny shit, nevertheless.
Laying it on pretty thick that's for sure.
No disrespect for the lady, but she sounds like a MAGA.
Did she criticize Marjorie Taylor Greene for lying about the timing of her son's death and under which administration it happened?
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Did the lady criticize Taylor Greene for lying about who was president when her sons died? Its a simple question.
She didnt, and that casts a shadow on her motives for criticizing Biden.
MTG had not a fucking thing to do with this lady's sons death. Why the hell would she? There is no lying going on with this woman
How do you know? Just because MSNBC didn't report it doesn't mean anything.
Her sons died while Trump was in office. MTG lied about it.
Has fuck all to do with this story
Exactly
The mother is a conservative activist. She has an ax to grind about Biden but nothing to say about Greene lying about Biden.
The entire criticism is under a cloud.
MTG misspoke. Which the mother admitted.
What did you want the mother to do- blast MTG for not getting the dates of her sons' deaths right? Or maybe she should have gone an anti Trump tirade instead? Would that have appeased you? Wasn't her admitting the problem " Kiessling said in her video that many administrations "failed" to properly address drug and fentanyl crisis, but said that Biden is not blameless either." enough for you?
Forget the fact Brandon set a record for most drug overdose deaths in one year in 2021.Then broke it in 2022. Want to make a bet he can up it in 2023?
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Brandon is a fucking idiot who is unfit to serve as PotUS. He has proven it repeatedly. Well past time for him to go.
Perhaps because, once again, Greene has fuck all to do with this woman's plight. Give it a fucking rest. We know where you stand and with whom.
gee, maybe she should have spent as much time educating her kids about the dangers of drugs as she did advocating about stolen presidential election bullshit...
Please cite what you claim she said.
Oh, like Joe Biden did, right?
Go for the source John - go for the source. Futch the story - the actual incident - go for the source.
If you have a quote of this conservative activist criticizing Greene then lets have it. Otherwise your comment is irrelevant to my point.
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Joe Biden has botched, time and time again, proper moments by "attempting" to be humorous - he has no decorum, couth, class nor intelligence. He LAUGHED while telling his form of "joke" - one of those "inside things" that nobody else would understand nor do.
He has shown, during his 50+ years as a "Public Servant", that he has absolutely no idea as to what is happening around him with his constituents who, this time, happen to be all 324M U.S. citizens.
A mother's two sons die as a result of bad judgement and he laughs. Wonder how loud he laughed when Floyd died as a result of stupidity by he and his arresting officers - didn't hear anything from he or his cackling co-heart except "it was a terrible error" - wonder why the two boys didn't get the same response of "it was a terrible error" instead of a laugh/giggle from an individual who, half the time, doesn't even know where/who he is?
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Oh, BTW, Greene didn't laugh - Joe did.
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Call the burn unit STAT!!!
You have no valid point, only some lame ass deflection and rationalization for Biden acting like a prick when talking about the death of someone's kids.
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Cnn, another "reliable source. NOT!
... compared to who, FOX news? LOL
It has fuck everything to do with this story.
This is the last time I am going to tell you to stop trying to harass me. You have been trying this shit for years.
No one has to approve their topics or approach with you before they give them. Get that through your head.
If you want to dispute what I say, do it with information, not with lame ass criticism of my style.
Which one has the higher ratings?
Be nice if you did as well
Higher ratings doesn't equal veracity. Fail.
And you just confirmed what I and others have been saying all along.
Exactly and fentanyl deaths are way down since Jan 2021.
Much like with Trump and Santos there is no truth in her reality.
No truth equals unreality, you get that, right?
You one of them 'Lindell dudes?'
CNN, the most untrusted name in news!
Difference between you and Lindell is that even after all of the bs you leftists threw at him over the past couple of years, not only did his company survive, but he has expanded it and he is STILL a multi millionaire...where bbl-1.....well....posts anonymously on a minimally known social site.
Who?
That My Pillow MAGA hat Trump loving fella...
And their supporters/enablers who are claiming that we were led to and believe a different version of what happened on 1/6.
Oh please, if Trump had done the same thing the left would be imploding right now. Yourself included.
Trump did do the same thing numerous times. Dead veterans. Gold Star Families. And more.
Ah a "But,but,but Trump" comment .. just couldn't resist could you.
And some of the same people here making excuses for Biden, whined like littles bitches when Trump did it.
Thus exhibiting the hypocrisy that is the left.
What a clueless comment.
2.2.4 is most certainly clueless and even down right idiotic as is 2.2.1
Nothing could be more idiotic than Comment 2.2.5.
Deflection noted and scored..................
And scored in line withe the rest of his comments - an utter failure.
Hope you have a extra long scoreboard...
I think the point the lady is making is that Brandon exacerbated the problem by opening the borders wide, greatly increasingly the death count.
Would Biden be so smug if Hunter died because of fentanyl. It could still happen, because there is no evidence he has stopped using.
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Exactly, you never see folks here on the left use anything other than proper names.
What should we call those that call everyone fascist when they know absolutely nothing about them, and ONLY because they do not toe the radical socialist leftist line?
I'll go with unamerican morons.
That's actually kind compared to what those on the loon left call conservatives.
I guess we need to up our game with the name calling.
How about ignorant?
Exactly as ignorant as calling those not in the gop socialists!
Because somebody calls you a mean name all bets are off?
Most liberals ALWAYS engage in name calling. Conservatives are far more reserved.
Just goes to show you how nasty the left really is.
everyone here is aware of your support for them with your comments...
It appears everyone but you understood his comment perfectly well and know who exactly he was talking about.
everyone? perfectly? exactly?
nope, don't think so...
Yes, I think you are starting to get it now.
Good job!
Please do note that I qualified my statement with "everyone but you" but I am sure it didn't register with you because you are always so intent on proving Reagan right.
Hell he's intent on proving himself wrong..No help from Reagan needed.
The sheer amount of obtuseness is amazing.
I suppose pretending someone wrote something other than what they actually did is far easier than 'debating' without being armed with any facts.
Not exactly a smart move. We do have several leftists here that do that.
I have found that the majority of people calling others fascist, have little to no concept of the definition, historical or otherwise, of the word. It has simply become a convenient catch word for many on the liberal left.
Usually what it means when they use words they don't understand is that the words they used to use, like racist, white supremacist and even now, nazi, has been reduced to words that no longer have an effect on anyone.
I guess fascist will be the next word.
You got that right. I doubt that the ones here that frequently use the term can't
And hence, Godwin's Law.
Or
Which of course is the worst insult imaginable in the JohnRussell vocabulary... so disrespect definitely intended.
Why would that be her responsibility?
You may think her a lesser person because she doesn't follow your politics, but she doesn't deserve to have the POTUS laughing over the death of her sons.
Biden could have made his point with a straight face.
He owes her at least the level of apology Obama gave those police officers.
Just use that as the standard. When Obama made that really stupid mistake, he owned it, took responsibility apologized, and made amends. That's how men are supposed to behave. He set an example to follow. That's good leadership.
Joe owes her at least that much.
Well said!
Except, it is an outright lie that Biden laughed about the death of the woman's sons. We have all seen the video by now, so no use being dishonest about it. Biden scoffed, as in "Huh Huh", at the bullshit Marjorie Taylor-Greene is saying, that President Biden was responsible, when the overdoses were in 2020 when Trump was still President. At no time did the President in any way laugh about the deaths of those men. All of your dishonest indignation about Biden's comments are based on false grace and lies...
Pretty much all they have jbb - outright lies and faux outrage and faux victimhood.
They certainly don't have what you have.
I'm not sure you understand the term "outright lie".
Close enough. He could have and should have made his point with a straight face. He could have and should have refused to be drawn into the gutter for a shit-sling with a deranged lunatic.
That is the whole point of him.
If we wanted shit-slinging, we'd have kept Trump.
So very correct. The contortions the Dem's will put themselves thru to accept from Biden what they would never accept from Trump or almost any other Republican. The optics are bad but all that is being pushed is that Biden did not laugh at the woman or the deaths of her sons. Has Biden been taking nervous laughing lessons from Harris?
Don't like being called out for your false take on the whole thing? False narrative. False indignation. False grace. Biden just scoffed at the falsehoods MTG spouted...
False equivalence with Trump is false too!
Biden showed no class at all.
What's up with these dim bulb Democrats and uncontrollable, inappropriate, inane laughter?
Remember this is the same hair sniffing pedophile that was checking his watch during the Dignified Transfer of deceased Soldiers coming back from Afghanistan.
It's pathetic and hypocritical of the left in the comments making excuses for Biden.
Give him a break.
Biden doesn’t even know where he’s half the time if not told. For that matter, neither do many of his Bidenettes
I’m getting tired of hearing about fentanyl overdoses. If you’re fucking around with this stuff at this point, I’m running out of sympathy when you “accidentally” kill yourself. Smoke some weed, drink some good beer, and put anything harder than that in the trash where it belongs.
Generally speaking, the same ones pissed about this are the ones who also have steam coming out their ears about Narcan being free.
Their outrage tends to be very selective.
Those talking about the Narcan are bringing it up as Narcan is being provided for free to crackheads while diabetics still have to pay for Insulin. Get it fucking right.
Thanks for that example of selective outrage. You just name-called addicts, while jumping Biden's case for laughing. Why is what he did worse?
Hmmm - haven't seen any comments "on this thread" streaming 'bout Narcan.
Off topic maybe or just wishful thinking?
You must have missed Jeremy calling these kids crackheads (while simultaneously being upset at Biden for not mourning them). Scroll up a tiny bit.
Crack is neither an opioid nor opiate. Instead, crack belongs to a class of drugs known as psychostimulants. This drug class includes cocaine, nicotine, crack, methamphetamines, and amphetamines.
Several drugs are considered opioids. They include both synthetic drugs, such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, and fentanyl, as well as illicit drugs, such as heroin. The depressant drug class is even larger, including all opioids, alcohol, benzodiazepines, and barbiturates.
Kinda like for you to edujmacayte me where crackheads, as medically defined, has been relegated to being of an opiod, which fentanyl is. Crack, on the other hand, is purified cocaine, which is a drug known for its psychostimulant ability.
His use of the "term" crackhead does not/did not open the door to discuss/ridicule Narcan.
Naloxone (narcan) only works on overdoses caused by opioids. This family of drugs includes prescription painkillers like OxyContin, fentanyl, methadone, and Vicodin, as well as street drugs like heroin. Naloxone will not reverse overdose resulting from non-opioid drugs, like cocaine/crack, benzodiazepines (“benzos”), or alcohol.
Don't use definitions not utilized by others unless you define the word and its use prior to utilizing it. Crackhead does not meet your definition to be utilized as part of the topic of this thread by bringing up Narcan or discussing Narcan.
How 'bout giving us an example, shown in this thread/seed, of "the same ones pissed about this are the ones who also have steam coming out their ears about Narcan being free." and show where "they" even mentioned Narcan or it being free?
Off topic or wishful thinking?
FYI
It's not selective outrage.
Just because they were addicts doesn't mean it's OK for the President to laugh about their deaths.
I'm not sure how we're somehow confused as to why the President of the United States appearing on television is a more serious situation than some random guy on an obscure internet forum. Are we sure that really requires explanation?
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I'm not the one who called opiate addicts crackheads. I know the difference, and that cocaine overdose isn't treated with Narcan. You might want to clue in Jeremy, though. Don't berate me for Jeremy's errors. I didn't call them crackheads. Your pal did. Nor did I state that "crackheads" are treated with Narcan. Again, that was your pal.
But mistaken as he was, and he was, he illustrated exactly what I've been saying about selective outrage. He's angry that "crackheads" might be given free Narcan (which you and I know does not treat cocaine overdose, but Jeremy does not), and also engages in namecalling, while also being angry at Biden for not mourning sufficiently the deaths of two addicts who possibly COULD have been saved with Narcan.
Oh, of course it is.
"I like soldiers who didn't get captured."
I'm not crazy about Biden laughing at this, but I fully recognize that Trump supporters who criticize Biden for this wouldn't hold Trump to the same standards. And that absolutely makes it selective outrage.
But Trump!
You can't deny, so you attempt to deride.
Of course you and others on the left would never do such a thing now would you/they?/s
So, you can't deny it, either, huh?
Put it right up there with your bullshit leaving out part of the argument to fit your retarded narrative.
Jeremy, I mentioned selective outrage, and you stepped right up to show us how that's done. With a factual error about the drugs involved, to boot. You can either get angry about that, or do better.
Yeah, spin that howevery you want. 5.1 is a good example of selective outrage. You ignore the inconvient facts to push stupidity.
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Pointing out selective outrage isn't selective outrage.
You got caught in a mistake. One of your friends tried to pin that mistake on me, but your mistake is right there in your comment, for all to read.
I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
Now move along.
Childish response. And one demonstrably false, as pointed out by the pal who tried to pin your mistake on me. "Crackheads" aren't saved by Narcan, as you stated they were.
You first.
Childish and presumptuous.
Why are some always so angry?
Nope, that comment is nothing more than a sweeping generalization. Simply isn’t true for most. Don’t fall into the trap of thinking NTers in anyway approximates real life. NTers often approximates the radical haters on the left and right. Not the majority.
Nothing more.
You assume that I base my observation on NT alone. That is an incorrect assumption.
Because they got caught in a mistake, and I refused to let their friends pin it on me?
Just a guess.
Yeah.... it's a pretty egregious gaff, ya gotta admit.
OK, that's probably a fair point, but that's not what we were talking about before.
Personally, as a Biden voter, this kind of thing disappoints me pretty seriously.
The only reason to vote for Joe in the first place was to return some normalcy, calm and decorum to the office, and hopefully start to rebuild the confidence of the American people.
Laughing about dead kids while he mires himself in a political argument with the barely sentient life form that is MTG is exactly the kind of thing a 40 year career politician should know not to do.
You know, Jack, I just watched the video. I hadn't bothered before. To me, he doesn't appear to be laughing about these young men dying. He appears to be giving a wry chuckle about MTG trying to blame their deaths on him. He's not laughing at their deaths. He's laughing at her persistent rabid partisanship and the dishonesty to which it leads.
I think that, when attacked with lies and rabid partisanship, he responds with a very subdued chuckle at the person doing the lying, that's pretty decorous, and way better than MTG deserved. He could have said "That lying, cheating, bigoted bitch tried to blame me for the deaths of two drug addicts (or should he call them "crackheads"?) under Trump's administration." That would have been indecorous, but true.
you'd have to expose yourself to FOX bullshit to find the edited video version presented to those most easily offended.
I don't own a Hazmat suit. How long can I last?
No,didn't miss it - but did notice that yours, in 5.1. was the first comment on this thread regarding Narcan. Jeremy's was second in 5.1.1.
You won/lost that round - you were first and that was my point in 5.1.3..
Own up to it - it's the right thing to do.
They can't stay as chill as you always do.
I'd recommend that you learn to proofread prior to posting.
Sandy - 5.1 - "the same ones pissed about this are the ones who also have steam coming out their ears about Narcan being free. Jeremy didn't make his comment in 5.1.1. until AFTER yours.
Yes, you got to go first.
Be very careful how you use pronouns and their modifiers - "Your pal did." - "Again, that was your pal." "I refused to let their friends pin it on me?"
You're getting awful liberal in the use of personal nomenclature not related to any truth. Who is or isn't my friend/buddy/pal/cohart isn't any of your business nor does it give you the permission nor rights to use the terms as a means of "talking down" to me or others.
Please don't associate me with anyone else as being friends/frenimies unless you know it for a fact and know I won't be offended with the error in name-calling.
"One of your friends"???? And who would that be?
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"by the pal" who would that whimsical person be???
Simple formatting for bullets goes 1.0, 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.1.1.1., etc - then 2.0., 2.1., 2.1.1, 2.1.1.1, etc..
So, it is extremely logical that in the sequence of 5.0 or the fifth bullet of the paragraph 5.0, 5.1 would be next followed by 5.1.1. followed by 5.1.1.1., etc.
Hence, Hal's comment located at 5.0, which is dealing with nothing regarding Narcan, is immediately followed by your comment at 5.1 (the same ones pissed about this are the ones who also have steam coming out their ears about Narcan being free.) which is, indeed, YOUR mistake that you keep on trying to pin on someone else since you made the comment prior to Jeremy's comment in 5.1.1. - and, no, I'm not trying to "pin" that mistake on you because it is obvious as hell that you made it but refuse to admit your error in judgement/comment.
JMHO.
I mentioned Narcan. Jeremy incorrectly stated it was given to "crackheads". Also, for a person claiming to be outraged by Biden's laughter (actually, a subdued chuckle), he went straight to calling addicts "crackheads" without delay. Very telling.
You're the one who tried to lecture me regarding the use of Narcan, 1st. You were lecturing the wrong person, and I pointed that out. Get over it.
When you continually take one person's side, 1st, you are choosing them at the very least as an ally, if not a "pal". Your mistake was to attribute Jeremy's gaffe to me. You cannot provide quotes of me saying Narcan is used to treat "crackheads", because I didn't say it was. Jeremy did, in his response to me. I am not responsible for what Jeremy said.
I notice you glossed right over the selective outrage, though.
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Thank you for your admission.
A lot of what has been said/posted, unfortunately, about this thread is based on emotion. The situation is sad and her story can not be corrected by anyone except herself and her family.
I feel for her as I have two nephews who think they are Gawd's gift to the drug world and will take, pretty much, anything that's placed in front of them to see what effect they will receive in return for their money. Sadly, I'm not looking forward to getting called by my brother to let me know his two "golden children" have just passed on due to a "mistake" made by a dealer.
I hope that doesn't happen during the balance of my life-cycle.
Actually, that was a PSA for all, and if you took it personally, sorry.
My "admission"? I never denied I mentioned Narcan. I didn't say it was used to treat cocaine overdoses. You chose to lecture me over its uses, anyway, and declined to see Jeremy proving my point about selective outrage (albeit medically incorrectly).
I am sorry your nephews have been engaging in drug use. I've had cousins near my age mixed up in that stuff. One cousin's girlfriend died in her sleep from an overdose; he woke up to find her cold next to him the next morning. And he still used for years. He says he's clean, and I hope he's telling the truth.
Ok, thank you.
Sandy - you brought up Narcan - Jeremy brought up crackheads - I commented on Narcan and your attempted misdirection of blame and subject matter and did not mention crackheads.
Then, "thought" it would be beneficial for ALL to know the difference between Narcan usage for opioids and not for psychostimulant treatment which is why I posted the information as a PSA.
I notice that you continue to have the selective outrage though - because you're looking for the wrong answers???
Man, I hope he learns that as a positive lesson.
Scary - jeezz - scary.
Hell, I sometimes get totally shook when my wife puts her COLD FEET in the middle of my back during the winter, but I am glad it's just because she wants to warm her feet - period.
based upon your profession and location, probably twice as long as anyone else.
I am not engaging in selective outrage. I am neither outraged about Biden laughing at MTG's misplaced blame, nor outraged about Narcan being made available for those addicted to opioids.
I'm merely pointing out selective outrage.
That's a perfect explanation Sandy, a wry chuckle, that was not at all aimed at the deaths of these young men. He knows the pain of losing family, well we all do (most of us anyway) and it must be so tiresome for him dealing with such nonsense bullshit and lies and blame President Biden at all costs.
It took a while. But I hope the same. He now has a daughter depending on him.
Of course that's what he's trying to do. It doesn't matter.
It's like when Barack Obama told the small business owners of America we "didn't build that". That's not what he meant, but it definitely is what he said.
Biden may not have intended to laugh about these kids dying, but he does.
Why? Why on earth would he respond??
WTF is Biden doing lowering the office of the presidency to the level where he validates MTG?? The whole point of him was to stop shit like that. If we wanted more of that bullshit, we would have re-elected Trump.
If he must respond, in what universe is laughter an acceptable element?
The correct response is something like "it is utterly unacceptable to politicize the tragic deaths of our fellow Americans, and anyone who does so demeans any office they might hold."
I believe you're capable of recognizing the nuance here, Jack. Laughing at the fact that someone is trying to blame him for their deaths is not the same as laughing about their deaths.
Well, Dems tried the "when they go low, we go high" approach. And we ended up with Trump in office. Maybe it's time to point out lies when they're told, and the liars who tell them.
It doesn't matter what you and I can recognize. Surely we both recognize that nuance is merely a legendary concept from a bygone time when it comes to modern American politics.
Like it or not, we live in an idiocracy where morons like MTG or AOC or Hank Johnson can win public office. (Apparently being a moron is actually a big advantage in Georgia.)
Biden is not the president of the country where Buckley and Vidal debated intellectual issues. He is president of the country where a US Congresswoman with a whiteboard out attempting to lecture Jamie Dimon can't do basic arithmetic correctly.
I think you'll understand how it's difficult for most people to recognize the "we go high" strategy when it seems to involve calling your opponents "deplorable" and when your followers do shit like demanding "the extinction of white men".
In the real world, we ended up with Trump in office because HRC was the worst presidential candidate in 100 years and her sheltered followers were simply blinded by their rampaging hubris. Seriously, how screwed up in the head does a person need to be in order to accuse people they know nothing about of "voting against their own interests"?
OH FFS
I'd like to argue with that, but I can't.
The "we go high" strategy was more an Obama thing. I think Hillary had already figured out that it didn't work.
There, I'm going to disagree. I know she wasn't especially likable to some, but she was a much more qualified candidate than Trump. And many people do vote against their own interests, but I'm sure they don't like to be told about it.
And credit to Michelle for saying it. Class act.
Hillary, on the other hand, had a 30-year history of being a terrible person. Going high was never an option, and at no point in her political life did she ever demonstrate any desire to do so.
There is more to a candidate than their resume.
McCain and Romney were both vastly more qualified than Obama, but he was a better candidate. He communicated better. He gave people a reason to get behind him. He connected with more people.
GHWB was a far more qualified person than Bill Clinton, but Clinton was a better candidate.
The fact that Hillary was that qualified and still lost to.... wait for it ..... Donald......Trump..... is absolute proof she was a terrible candidate. He was a clown that nobody took seriously, and she still couldn't beat him.
Sorry, but if you lose to an opponent that ridiculous, you may be the worst candidate in US history.
Who are you to say? What causes you to imagine you know the "best interests" of somebody who lives a life you can't imagine in some state 1000 miles from you? It's just a whole different level of arrogance.
How so?
Or is more proof that we're living in an idiocracy. I lay the blame at the feet of the voters, not her.
One who has lived among them (not 1000 or even 100 miles away, so don't assume), and suffered the results of them voting against their (and my) best interests. They vote for deregulation. I got to live near a river where you shouldn't eat the fish. I get to drive on roads torn up by overweight coal trucks. They vote for politicians who skip on their tax bills to the tune of millions of dollars, and I get to pay more to help make up the difference. They vote for politicians who are in the pockets of coal and drug companies, and are surprised when nobody will pay for their black lung treatment, or when opioid addictions and overdoses abound.
Brave lady
Of course they don't know their best interests as you do.
Like when they voted for Jimmy Carter?
Is it against your self interests to move?
What state politicians in your AO owe millions of tax dollars?
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Try again. I assumed no such thing so your assumption is the incorrect one.
My comment was clearly just a warning and your comment in question remains..... a sweeping generalization.
Sure you did.
Not according to the kings English. Not sure what you’re using.
And your original comment is still a sweeping generalization
Ah, yes, you advised me not to think NTers approximates real life because you assumed I base my observations on sources other than NT. Makes perfect sense. To nobody.
Oh, and it's "King's English," by the way. In English, we use apostrophes to signify possession.
I could never understand the absolute loathing of Hillary by so many people. I can understand disliking her for whatever reasons some may have but they never really have anything IMHO to back up their claims of how horrible she is.
I thought she was a great candidate and I voted for her. I wanted to cry when I first heard she lost and who became 'president' I wanted to cry but didn't.
She and Bill never found guilty of any wrongdoing in all these years yet they persist in how corrupt they are.
And don't get me started on Joe and Hunter. They have Clinton/Joe/Hunter BidenSyndrome.
Mrs Clinton is a staid church woman and a policy wonk. She now focuses on her husband, daughter and grandkids. Her most noted traits are her loyalty to friends and personal thoughtfulness.
She has never been caught in a crime because she has not committed any. She is a good lawyer and impeccably honest.
Bingo...
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It was a poisoning. The pills they thought they were buying (pain killers) were laced with fentanyl.
As I said, throw anything stronger than alcohol and weed in the trash since you don’t know what it could be tainted with. You want to take pain killers to get high, don’t expect sympathy from me when it kills you - regardless of how the fentanyl got there.
They didn't buy those painkillers at a pharmacy, did they? We've known for years that street drugs were laced with fentanyl. It's sad, but getting an overdose of poison is a risk you take when you're actively poisoning yourself.
Clearly you never been in great pain. Not say these drugs don’t get overused but to imply they are not useful?
Ridiculous.
Clearly you never been in great pain.
When you are in great pain you go to a street dealer for relief? Not surprised.
Making it personal. Not surprised.
Were you also a fan of Nancy Reagan’s “ Just say no” campaign?
too bad nancy didn't practice that cliche before she married raygun...
She was able to speak from experience.
dead men tell no tales...
But if they were Democrats, they vote still!
Back in the 70s unscrupulous pot dealers would lace lousy ditch weed with PCP.
It tasted like shit and left you hugging the rug to keep from falling off of it.
Probably MAGA dealers.
Knew a guy back in the late 70s who grew for the government (NSA).
Thankfully some of his best came my way.
Only now (with legalization in places) have I seen Its equal.
Shouldn't you be tired of Biden's border policy just making the problem worse.
And it's just not addicts, but law enforcement and other innocent non users that come across this deadly drug.
Yes, I am pissed that Biden hasn’t put on a cape and used his superhero powers to singlehandedly patrol the border for drugs. /s
Your argument is retarded at face value. A trillion dollar wall won’t stop fentanyl from crossing the border.
He didn't say it would, so exactly what are you arguing?Surely you aren't arguing that Biden is effective.
Speaking of fucking stupid, retarded arguments. We wouldn't know if the wall would slow the flow of fentanyl from crossing the border. Biden stopped construction of it on his 1st day. Or is that one of the inconvient truths you chose to forget?
And it wouldn't have cost $1T - unless the Dems built it, which we all know won't ever happen.
Hal - the only cape he would have would be the damp towel he used when he took showers with his daughter.
Trump only asked for $18B. Far cry from $1T but if we did get $1T, Imagine what THAT would have built. Air would have a hard time getting around/through/over it LOL
Probably would've covered the Southern AND Northern borders. Hell, could've walled off California and Florida - yeah, that's the way, uh huh, uh huh, I like it, uh huh uh huh, that's the way, uh huh, uh huh, I like it.
Do you also use cripple or midget as a slur?
We all know securing the border was started and was working better under the previous administration so, naturally the Dems had to stop it. 2 years later this is where we are.
Welcome to the Personal Responsibility Society.
So does your personal responsibility extend to fascist liars?
Every fact checker on the planet sees the American far right as fascists.
Unfortunately we seem to have a few far right wing fascists that invade every seed here where folk just try to have an intellectual conversation.
How did you get so plugged in?
I feel your pain.
There is no credibility in the posts of those screeching 'fascists' at every turn.
It is pitiful anyone could be so suckered in by lies as to believe that crap.
In what sense? That's sort of a vague question.
Statistically unlikely. I think the much larger issue is the increasing number of liberals who can't tell a regular conservative from a "far right" one.
We have quite a few abusive left wing shitheads who do the same. That's all part of discussing political topics on the internet.
We used to shame these assholes on either extreme back under the rocks where they live. The internet has connected these crazy people and they now draw strength from each other.
I'm sure as much as you talk about Fox, you are an avid viewer. Who's your fave?
This seed is another clown show.
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You have done your best to derail it and turn it into a clown show but the fact still remains that Biden acted like the jerk he is. No MTG or MAGA deflection attempts will change that.
Lol and our friends on the left called Trump crass.
Conspicuously hypocritical as ever ....
I feel sorry for the lady, as far as I can tell from the article they purchased the painkillers on the street which is asking for trouble including your own death since being laced with fentanyl is well known and happens quite often.
I looked it up her two sons were 18 and 20 years old and they died along with a friend in a motel room after buying Percoset that was laced with fentanyl. Known as ''perc'' it is a powerful opioid even without the fentanyl this is a highly dangerous pain killer to be using.
As do I - there are no winners here - both Green and Biden as well as most of the commenters are doing nothing but taking partisan potshots at each other at the expense of a serious & complex issue that partisans are doing nothing to help solve.
In 2021 there were over 105,000 drug overdose deaths. We have had the crack cocaine epidemic, the opioid deaths, and now fentanyl is adding to the total. The misuse and deaths cross every race, gender and economic level. Doctors, big pharma all have had a hand in it. Its time that we start looking at ourselves and why we have to depend on drugs for whatever reason.
“…of a serious & complex issue that partisans are doing nothing to help solve.”
So true.
Lost my little brother in November to an intentional OD. He was 58, and suffered for years. Complex does not begin to describe the tentacles that affect one’s avenue to treatment nor the effects of not having proper access for those in desperate need.
This whole seed, this whole site, the juvenile bickering of those that have no idea sickens me.
You both got that right. Getting political mileage out of most issues is more important than incrementally solving them.
I think that there is something very wrong with our culture, that so many of us abuse ourselves and our family and friends with drugs and alcohol. I speak as one who did both when I was much younger.
I'm sorry for your loss after years and years of your brothers and the families suffering. It's not just the one that died that is the victim, but the family and friends and workmates as well. A tremendous loss all around.
I'm very sorry for your loss.
thank you.
If we could…forget the things we wrangle about, dismiss the things we disagree about, and understand the things in our partisanship always have human consequences.
Peace.
Morning afray...that is extremely sad to hear about the loss of your little brother so recently...🥀🥀🥀
I hope he has found the peace he so desperately needed.... and the family left behind manage to pick up the pieces and walk gently on...
Perfectly said, friend. Thank you.
Sorry to hear that, afrayedknot, I'm sorry for your loss.
Thanks, Kavika…you have helped us all take the difficult walk through loss, societal and personal.
With honor and respect…peace to you and your clan.
I hear you. I lost my only son in 2017 to a perforated bowel obstruction secondary to OIC. My son was 42 and had taken prescription pain killers for years due to 2 previous back surgeries, one of which was botched by a orthopedic surgeon doing back surgeries.
I'm sorry to hear it.
Has Biden taken lessons on when to laugh inappropriately from Kamala?
I am sure that is not all he gets from Kamala.
Way to stay classy!
When I see you say something similar to the many many many similar comments from those on the left I will take your comment as something other than partisan whining.
So Biden laughs at the disgusting putrid attempt by a sick whacko right wing conservative Republican Qanon pusher to blame him for these kids tragic death and score points with her gullible base, but it's Biden who is in the wrong? He clearly isn't laughing at the deaths, he's laughing at the ignorance, stupidity and hypocritical blame throwing that regularly comes from right wing conservatives who clearly have no shame. Any rational American with more than half a brain and any sense of ironic humor would at least softly chuckle at MTG's inept attempt to pillory Biden.
The real story here is how fucked up one has to be to try and score political points by dragging two dead kids into a spotlight, and then being fucking stupidly wrong anyway.
OMFG. Such bullshit. This is a perfect example of a non-story being used to manufacture outrage for people addicted to outrage, which is like a sickness.
This woman is completely mistaken in her accusation that Biden laughed about the death of her kids, but that doesn't stop Fox News from running with it instead of correcting it. Big surprise, right? It's misinformation used for profit-driven clickbait. And lo and behold, some here ran with it as well.
Here's the video. A sober and dispassionate viewing shows that he politely referred to this woman as "a mom, a poor mother who lost two sons to fentanyl." And that's all. The rest was obviously about MTG, and the laugh was only a slight chuckle of exasperation over her ridiculous accusation that he killed this woman's kids.
That's all they have is non-stories and selective manufactured outrage and whining incessantly as whiny little bitches do.
All I heard from that video was when President Biden said essentially - 'he he' - not even really laughing/just a bit of derision about when it actually occurred, during the prior criminal enterprise of an administration.
Exactly, but more a chuckle than a laugh and I heard him being amused that fentanyl came into the country during Trump's watch.
Why are you addressing Sandy's comment to Jack to me/taunting?
I'm not sure how that happened. I was agreeing with your assessment:
Okay?
Hah, you are asking idiots to view things in context.
I stated in an earlier post that I feel sorry for the mother but we have to look at the reality of this. According to her the two boys 18 and 20 have been addicted to Xanax for years and they had been in rehab and in and out of jail and one was on probation. Sadly, they were addicted to an opioid and buying the drug on the street leaves them in a position where death is all but unavoidable. The third person that died in that hotel room was a 17 year old girl.
It's fairly simple to say don't use drugs and this won't happen to you but the truth of the matter is that even with all the help available people still abuse drugs and there doesn't seem to be anything that we as a country can do that is slowing this horrific problem.
What is it that requires these kids and others of all ages to abuse such a deadly substance? The outcome of abusing drugs is dire.
The death rate from drugs has been skyrocketing since the early 2000s and the number of deaths goes up almost every single year.
We can point our finger at fentanyl but what about before the introduction of fentanyl? We, IMO have become a drug dependent nation which is a sad commentary on our country.
Bottom line is, three more dead to add to the list.
The reality is way back in Post # 1.
BTW I don't like echo chambers.
Can we close this thread and get back to arguing about how our forefathers got the Declaration of Independence way wrong with that silliness — "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, ..." there may still be a little life in that horse to beat.
Lol, with you there. This is... I really cannot bring myself to care that much.
So how about those Chiefs!!!!!
(Sorry this conversation was getting tedious)