Remembering Civilization
Link to Quote: https://www.ncregister.com/news/how-barack-obama-fundamentally-transformed-the-united-states
According to a recent survey conducted by a new Wall Street Journal-NORC poll, patriotism , religious faith, having children and other priorities that helped define the national character for generations are becoming less important:
"Some 38% of respondents said patriotism was very important to them, and 39% said religion was very important. That was down sharply from when the Journal first asked the question in 1998, when 70% deemed patriotism to be very important, and 62% said so of religion. The share of Americans who say that having children, involvement in their community and hard work are very important values has also fallen. Tolerance for others, deemed very important by 80% of Americans as recently as four years ago, has fallen to 58% since then."
"Bill McInturff, a pollster who worked on a previous Journal survey that measured these attitudes along with NBC News, said that “these differences are so dramatic, it paints a new and surprising portrait of a changing America.’’ He surmised that “perhaps the toll of our political division, Covid and the lowest economic confidence in decades is having a startling effect on our core values."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-pull-back-from-values-that-once-defined-u-s-wsj-norc-poll-finds-df8534cd?mod=politics_lead_pos4
This is the latest sign of America's demise. It has been a long slide.
Every once in a while, I like to take a look at what we have lost as a nation. My friends here will occasionally add the niceties that we can recall if we are old enough, such as when neighbors helped neighbors and people left their doors unlocked. Today we most likely don't even know our neighbors . Of course, the big thing is the loss of personal safety and the left's defunding and demonizing local law enforcement. There is no question about the spike in crime or how it happened. The left's no-bail and defund-the-police policies have spiked crime.
The current administration has even emasculated the military to the point where the military is now having trouble recruiting enough members. Remember when we all felt so secure with just the thought of our men in uniform?
Ah, but we destroyed roll models long ago, didn't we?
Those arguments from the left about accepting alternative lifestyles led to what exactly? Today we grapple with a radical teacher's Union that thinks they can talk to (and influence) young children about sex. Parents being engaged in their children's education has become an obstacle for the left. Our current DOJ has sicked the FBI on parents.
Here is where it gets really scary:
"Half of people in the survey said they didn’t like the practice of being asked to use gender-neutral pronouns, such as “they’’ or “them,’’ when addressing another person, compared with 18% who viewed it favorably. Some 30% of respondents under age 35 viewed the practice favorably, compared with 9% of seniors."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-pull-back-from-values-that-once-defined-u-s-wsj-norc-poll-finds-df8534cd?mod=politics_lead_pos4
Think about that, only half objected! And 30% of the young are already screwed up.
I place the blame on the university (the place where free speech died) and weak Conservative leaders for letting it happen.
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Throughout history we see what eventually happens even to great civilizations.
For America it came way too soon.
I see you like to reside in a time long ago that never really existed.
Next thing is he'll be screaming at us to get off of his yard.
As it did with Samuel Clemens, but don't let that get in your way. He was still vibrant and so is America.
Haven't you heard? He's been censored. He is a "hate crime."
They implode because of political infighting and blame it on the poor bastards who just want to be left alone.
And, I hate to burst your bubble, but civilization today consists of more than the United States. Like it or not, everybody on the planet is part of civilization now. So, we can start working together with all nations more or we can remain on the current political course of divide and falter. Seems like someone would have figured this out by now. (I know, they did, but then time passed and we thought that we were "better".)
We are citzens of the world you say?
Basically. Some have realized that we are all on the same planet and some just keep trying to make spaceship earth an exclusive resort. I think that the roaches will win.
I was going to seed the WSJ article on this, but couldnt figure out a way to get around the paywall. (I usually am able to.)
The WSJ article is somewhat deceptive, as we can see from the actual poll
According to the poll, for example, 94 percent of Americans say hard work is important to them. So we are arguing over the difference between "very" or "somewhat" important. The same with the other questions . 73 percent say "patriotism" is important to them. Ok good. Whose patriotism? Trump's? I'm sure that was a buzz kill to a lot of respondents when they thought about it.
Certainly not that of people who think we should never take a stand against our declared enemies.
Remember?
Trump and DeSantis and Marjorie Taylor Greene?
That would be the man who ran out of Afghanistan and Iran is taking pot shots at mow.
Or the man that planned running out of Afghanistan and Iran and just wasn't around long enough to implement?
Nobody planned that but the idiot proxy. I'm quite sure that was one of the few calls he made on his own.
And look how horridly that ended.
And today there was a new story of yet another important verification that Holy Reagan
promised the Iranians a better deal for the hostages if they would just keep them until
after Reagan won the election. His "October Surprise".
The Iranians did want to fuck Carter, but they never would have been in that position if Carter hadn't let the Shah go down.
Maybe you could get Republicans to watch this video. Only 42% support the aid to Ukraine, whereas 79% of Democrats do.
You mean unlimited aid to the Ukraine.
Not what The Hill article says, but for me, yes, whatever it takes to drive Russia from Ukraine. Russia is committing all manner of atrocities in Ukraine. Ukraine supplies about a third of the world’s exported grain. Putin has used natural gas and oil as weapons, he will use food as well if we allow him access to it. Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal as part of becoming a free nation, then a nuclear power attacked them. If allowed to succeed, the rest of the world will know that nuclear weapons are the only guaranty of sovereignty. Both Russia & China are empire builders, this brought us two world wars. The free world needs to unequivocally say no to empire builders. The Ukrainians are showing that they value freedom, and that freedom is really a better way — something US conservatives talk about, but don’t even support in a majority. We just spent 7,500 lives and $4.15T on two moronic wars — here’s a chance to use a relatively tiny amount of money to reaffirm that Democracy is the better way. There are many other reasons to support the Ukraininans, let’s do that.
That's true. It sure didn't turn out the way Putin initially thought, but think about it: this is a war fought in one country. It's not like the Ukraine is fighting its way into Russian territory. The Ukraine will continue fighting a defensive war, which is destroying the Ukraine.
Ukraine supplies about a third of the world’s exported grain.
Just think, all of that grain once belonged to Russia.
We just spent 7,500 lives and $4.15T on two moronic wars — here’s a chance to use a relatively tiny amount of money to reaffirm that Democracy is the better way.
There is no fixed price tag, is there? What will be our limit?
There are many other reasons to support the Ukraininans, let’s do that.
We are.
Because the West has been afraid to give it the ability to win, which the West can do and appears to be moving towards. Do you think we would behave any differently towards an aggressor; that we would compromise?
Inane. The US once belonged to the Indians.
This war is the most important world event currently taking place. We have an opportunity to come down on the side of Democracy, against empire building, against colonialism. To diminish the power of authoritarians. To demonstrate to China that the price for annexing Taiwan would be ruinously high. The defeat of Russia in Ukraine makes war much less likely. It makes nuclear war much less likely because it would say that the Democracies will stand with all free nations (the point of your Reagan video). Let’s make pretending that other countries don’t exist and can be taken so last century — the Ukrainians are offering that chance.
I think we already have. What did we do when Putin took Crimea?
This war is the most important world event currently taking place. We have an opportunity to come down on the side of Democracy, against empire building, against colonialism. To diminish the power of authoritarians. To demonstrate to China that the price for annexing Taiwan would be ruinously high. The defeat of Russia in Ukraine makes war much less likely. It makes nuclear war much less likely because it would say that the Democracies will stand with all free nations (the point of your Reagan video). Let’s make pretending that other countries don’t exist and can be taken so last century — the Ukrainians are offering that chance.
So no price is too high?
Got it.
I was talking about our reaction to aggression against the US. Putin's first trial balloon was his attack on Georgia where he annexed 20% of that country and changed the rest into a vassal state. We failed to act, so he took Crimea, the cost of inaction is increasingly higher cost. It will only get higher if we fail now.
The Ukrainians are willing to risk a nuclear attack by Russia to remain free. They are what so many patriots here claim to be. The free world is being asked for money/materiel, I think we should go that distance. The free countries are not in the empire business. Russia and China are. The Wagner Group operates in Africa to steal resources for Russia on a large scale. We need a resounding NO on empire building through force if we expect a peaceful world.
I thought you might have been looking at it, since you wound up with a picture from the article. I thought it was an important poll.
almost 1/2 of Americans say money is only "somewhat important" to them. Oh, the horror. /s
Certainly not those who need it.
When the government gives it to you without labor, of course it has no value. I learned that when I was a child. Not surprising that the number of Americans who say money is only somewhat important matches the number who don't contribute anything to finance this great nation.
I couldn't agree more.
We did have a lot of money tossed around in the past two years. Many gave up working.
One person who has no respect for money is the proxy Joe Biden.
True but it started with COVID and Trump's PPP program which not only did not have to be paid back, it spurred record fraud cases.
Lol. Is Trump Congress and Speaker Pelosi?
Of course it is the orange mans fault. most liberals lack the ability to see past trump. You have complete morons who vote overwhelmingly for the little terrorist girl from MN, and the complete retards in the Bronx who support AOC. If you go beyond blaming trump it gets to complicated for them.
The Cares Act was a bipartisan Senate Bill led by Cotton, Romney and Majority Leader
McConnell with "guidance from the WH"...
Mcconell buried the House "Heroes Act" and it was never voted on by the Senate.
So aside from an affirmative voice vote by the House Pelosi had nothing to do with the final product that Trump signed 4 years ago today.
Of course then you would have to explain the laziness of so many people who reelect warm bodies like Louie Gohmert, Green, Bobert, Cruz or the unknown candidate Santos from Long Island.
to, too & two..../s
No it was all about Joe Biden and the radicals who tell him what to do.
There, they're, their, you will be okay. But deflection noted.
Mostly among republicans.
$953 Billion giveaway with mixed results and massive fraud......
But, but Biden...and the radicals.
Weak sauce.
This is all a bunch of nonsense. I have never been asked to use gender -neutral pronouns, by anyone, and dont ever expect to be (like 99% of other Americans).
This is a made up controversy meant to stoke MAGA grievances.
Currently in one of my in-laws families two brothers are not speaking to each other because the young child of one told the young child of the other that gender was an option.
That's all some appear to have John, made up issues out of non-issues, made up controversies . .
I'm not exactly sure why you included 'Where the Boys Are' seeing that the film dropped the last half of the book it was based on, the main characters in the second half decide to run guns to Castro! One wonders who pressured Pasternak not only to slice and dice the original novel but also to choose the version of the lyrics that Connie objected to.
I would hope that the most educated among us would at least be able to address a comment to me.
The obvious purpose of including the film is to recall a time when our military men were honored and they were proud to wear the uniform.
Thanks for all the research as boring as it was.
I, being the least educated here, addressed my comment to you as an equal.
B.T.W., if you ever trek up here feel free to drop by and don't bother to knock, both front and back doors are unlocked. I even know all of my neighbors, we'll throw a block party for you.
I know one member who would be so proud of you if she was on.
B.T.W., if you ever trek up here feel free to drop by and don't bother to knock, both front and back doors are unlocked. I even know all of my neighbors, we'll throw a block party for you.
I think I saw enough of Canada during the truckers strike. Should we thank you for sending the migrants back?
You did? You were actually up here or just drooling over some FOX/Tucker nonsense?
As to sending migrants back, that's a 2-way deal. Personally I would prefer they be allowed to stay.
Actually, neither. It was the combination of your government's brand of Facism during that strike & a documentary on Robert Pickton. In the documentary they interviewed some of the many drug addicts in Vancouver. I found both quite repulsive.
What you call a strike was a protest. A protest that Truckers Unions in Canada objected to. As to Canada's government being fascist, were that so the protest would have been shut down within a day and violently.
Robert Pickton? Truly a dastardly fellow raised by a dastardly mom. Canada has had its fair share of serial killers as has America and every other nation ... what's your point?
I think there was a nostalgic innocence to the movie Where The Boys Are that calls to some people. In 1960 a lot of the problems that plague current society were either not acknowledged or didnt exist then. Things were simpler, which is attractive in some sense.
Of course in 1960 Jim Crow racial segregation was still in bloom , women in large numbers stayed at home and brought Father Knows Best his slippers as he sat and smoked his pipe, and no gay people were "out". MIllions of people were killing themselves smoking cigarettes, which were advertised often on television.
Time brings gains and losses depending on perspective, but social justice cannot be delayed forever. One day hopefully society will deal with the oligarchy and income and wealth inequality.
And when Rome fell it was defended by mercinaries. That was a long way from the early days of the Republic when Roman mothers told their sons to come back in victory or dead on their sheilds.
We came a long way too. Today we have rampant crime and open borders at the behest of a radical regime. The end is near and it will be the same.
I had no idea Spartan mothers were Romans.
You've done it again! The Spartans influenced the Romans.
They may have been the first, but they weren't "the only."
Back in the Roman days, people were crucified, they used public commodes with absolutely no privacy, and the "government" changed hands many times due to assassination. Not to mention the fires in the high rises the poor had to live in, which were 4 or 5 story buildings made of wood.
But lets wish to go back to ancient rome for the sake of some sort of "honor".
Latrines were a convivial, relaxed, public place. Apparently they weren't embarrassed by their bodies.
Feel free to time travel back there.
I'll send you a postcard.
They were also unisex.
Like the European saunas I’ve enjoyed.
First of all, there was more crime in the later part of the last century than there is today.
Also, the WSJ was not upfront about its polling. It cherry-picked 1998 as a comparison point. So I checked out the 1998 poll, and here is what it showed:
Now, I would like to ask you some questions about the American character, that is, about our values and who we are…
C1. How important is each of the following values to you personally, would you say it is very important, somewhat important, not that important, or not important at all?*
It wasn't ?
It cherry-picked 1998 as a comparison point.
What year's poll would you prefer?
Well, Vic, I just showed you one, which was in their actual 1998 poll. Somehow things changed from the 70's.
They sure have.
I'll give you one guess who I blame for all of it.
Gee, that's a tough one!
No one cares.
Younger Americans don’t like hard work, don’t like America , don’t want to have kids and are depressed and unhappy.
The progressive culture and education systems are working as planned.
Sean,
How many younger adults do you know because all of the ones that I know (and that would be A LOT) all work, and are basically happy.
. The data speaks for itself.
I am not saying that there is no depression, but just like with autism, I think we can just better identify people who are suffering more than anything else.
And that is just one study, and are you really sure that anything that comes out of Harvard is accurate? Isn't it one of those liberal hotbeds of nonsense referenced in this article?
There are countless studies reporting the same. Feel free to provide an actual rebuttal based on data.
And as I said, I don't doubt the numbers are up. What I doubt is that there has been an actual stunning increase, but rather more awareness and more dxing.
The Rolling Stones made a song of it in 1966
By the '80s it became a running gag... But it was often explained as exhaustion in affluent white women and not depression.
When I was diagnosed in the mid-90's too people were still trying deny depression and mental health were a thing. Especially for men. It was getting better, but it wasn't getting better fast enough and while the ACA tried to bring parity for mental health up to physical health we aren't there yet. My step father went from telling me it was all in my head (and if I just could think good thoughts everything would be sunny) to being on anti-depressants himself before he passed in 2003.