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GOP Fantasy Collides With Reality

  

Category:  Op/Ed

Via:  hallux  •  5 months ago  •  104 comments

By:   David Frum - The Atlantic

GOP Fantasy Collides With Reality
The requisite for Republican leadership is serving delusion—that Trump won in 2020, that the Republicans did not lose in 2022. Fail at that and you’re out.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


Last night was the night a lot of bills came due for Kevin McCarthy.

The bill came due for pandering to his party’s extremes, for desperate deals and broken promises. Most of all, the bill came due for the House Republicans’ failure in the elections of 2022.

Republicans have had a lot of bad elections since Donald Trump took over the party. They lost the popular vote for president in 2016, they lost the House in 2018, they lost the presidency in 2020, and they lost the Senate in 2021.

The 2022 election cycle was supposed to break the Trump curse. It was supposed to be the year of the red wave that would sweep away Joe Biden’s woke mob in Congress. Instead, Republicans posted net losses of one seat in the U.S. Senate, two governorships, and   four state legislative chambers . Amid all of the defeats, there was one piece of good news: They reclaimed the majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.

But that seeming victory proved deceptive. Democrats had lost the majority, but Republicans had not won a functioning majority of their own.

They tried to act otherwise. They tried to advance a big agenda, even tried to launch an impeachment inquiry into President Biden. To propel that agenda required their tiny majority to march in unison, each member subordinating his or her own wishes to the collective will.

Predictably, that did not happen.

Which left Plan B: Accept reality; acknowledge that the GOP had not won a functioning majority; and reach across the aisle, make deals, and do your business that way.

That’s what McCarthy did in May with the debt-ceiling deal and tried to do again with the budget this past weekend. The first foray wounded him. The second finished him.

The rules of contemporary Republican politics make it hard to accept reality. Reality is just too awkward.

In reality, Trump has been a big vote loser for Republicans. He fluked into the presidency with a Dukakis-like share of the vote in 2016, then lost his party its majority in the House in 2018. Trump got decisively booted from the presidency in 2020; rampaged illegally on January 6, 2021; and then cost his party its Senate majority in the January 2021 runoff elections. His election-denier message damaged his party further in the elections of 2022. His demand for a Biden investigation and impeachment in 2023 is producing an embarrassing fiasco. But no Republican leader dares say these things out loud.

Most taboo of all is working with Democrats, on any terms other than total, one-sided domination:   We win, you lose.   So McCarthy just had to press ahead, acting as if he commanded a majority when he did not; insulting and demeaning the minority, even though he had to know that he might need their help at any minute.

That minute came. McCarthy sought Democratic votes to save him from his own refractory members, and in return he offered nothing. Not even politeness.

That proposition did not produce the desired results, and so here we are.

Where we are is a country with a solid anti-Trump majority confronting a pro-Trump minority that believes it has a right to rule without concession or compromise.

The only way to produce a stable majority in the House is for the next Republican leader to reach a working agreement with the Democrats to bypass the nihilists in the GOP caucus. But that agreement will have to be unspoken and even denied—because making agreements that show any respect for the other side will be seen by Republican partisans as betrayal. The price of GOP leadership is delivering delusions and fantasies: the delusion and fantasy that Trump won in 2020, the delusion and fantasy that the Republicans did not lose in 2022.

The Republican so-called majority in the House survives by perpetual self-hostage-taking. McCarthy secured his speakership in January by allowing any one member to trigger a vote to get rid of him. He stopped a default in May by   agreeing to face   a government shutdown in October. He avoided a shutdown with a 47-day extension, and by wrecking his own leadership.

The next leader will have to manage another set of delusions and fantasies—those being trafficked via the Biden impeachment inquiry. The reality is: Republicans have made a lot of angry accusations, but they have scant evidence that the president is guilty of anything other than fathering a troubled son. The fantasy is: They’ll discover proof of a huge criminal scheme that implicates President Biden.

For seven years, Republicans have protected and enabled Trump, the most corrupt and lawless president in American history. They crave to believe that Biden is as bad or worse, and they won’t be denied that craving by pesky details such as its crazy untruth. The next ringmaster will have to deliver a more exciting act to the most frenzied fans in the circus seats.

For the rest of the country, all of this threatens more crisis, more drama, more misgovernment, until one of two things happens. Either Republicans will overcome their taboo against reality and find some way to strike deals with their opponents, or voters in November 2024 will replace this dysfunctional majority that lives by lies with a functional majority that can work with facts.


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    5 months ago

There was a time idiots listened to politicians, now politicians listen to idiots ... the 'gift' of populism.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @1    5 months ago

The gqp/CONServatives/republiCONS are living in a land of delusion.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    5 months ago

Their cult more than anything actually are the ones living in a land of delusion

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @1    5 months ago

Since you told me to "Buzz off" elsewhere, would you prefer that I don't comment on your articles/seeds?

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    5 months ago

Perish the thought!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @1.2.1    5 months ago

Okay, thanks.  I was really starting to feel rejected. jrSmiley_72_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
evilone
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2  evilone    5 months ago
Where we are is a country with a solid anti-Trump majority confronting a pro-Trump minority that believes it has a right to rule without concession or compromise.

The "grassroots" voters don't believe they are a minority and they defy any attempt at reality as "fake news" or a "deep state" conspiracy. Those that should know better do believe they can rule until they are eaten by their own. Ask any the last 3 Republican House Speakers...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @2    5 months ago

They're teabaggers/astroturfers

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3  afrayedknot    5 months ago

An indictment on just how far we have fallen in the attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

Some are only so willing to argue an indictment means nothing without a conviction, but in this sad case, it is an indictment on us for enabling those whom have absolutely no intention of accepting any responsibility as it relates to our well being. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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4  Kavika     5 months ago

Fantasy collides with reality and it was one hell of a crash.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

200 plus Democrats and 8 Republicans love chaos. 

I'm sure Ukraine enjoys the stunt Democrats pulled.  Good luck with their funding now. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    5 months ago

I'm sure Ukraine enjoys the stunt Democrats pulled.  Good luck with their funding now. 

So you don't think we should support our allies? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @5.1    5 months ago

So you don't think we should support our allies? 

You should ask the entire  Democratic caucus why it made it that much harder to do so. 

Good luck with Jim Jordan funding Ukraine. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.2  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.1    5 months ago
Good luck with Jim Jordan funding Ukraine. 

You actually think Jim Jordan can pull 218 votes for Speaker? I suppose the Dems might take that as a gift though. Every time he opens his mouth their reelection accounts get bigger, so maybe?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @5.1.2    5 months ago

Maybe. Whoever it is going to learn from what happened to McCarthy that he can't compromise with Democrats.  Pelosi demonstrated what their promises are worth. 

Every time he opens his mouth their reelection accounts get bigger, so maybe

Maybe. But Ukraine probably won't be happy the results  so if selling out your allies who you claim to care about is worth some dollars in the reelection account, it's a win for Democrats. 

Whoever the next speaker ends up being they are going to have to make alot of promises on the border, Ukraine and spending.    The Democrats have pretty much guaranteed a long shutdown by siding with Gaetz and company over the moderates. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  evilone @5.1.2    5 months ago
You actually think Jim Jordan can pull 218 votes for Speaker?

I don't think he can, he has never even passed one bill. He is [deleted for the reich wing.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.5  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.3    5 months ago
Whoever it is going to learn from what happened to McCarthy that he can't compromise with Democrats.

Then prepare for losing more seats next year. There are several moderates up for reelection and a non-stop anit-Biden show in the House will not get them reelected. It will make those in the Freedom Caucus just as unpleasant to constituents in all but the reddest districts. The majority of voters are unhappy with both sides playing games. If the House elects Jim Jordan and it goes scorched earth on Dems they'll lose in the long term.

Ukraine probably won't be happy the results  so if selling out your allies who you claim to care about is worth some dollars in the reelection account, it's a win for Democrats. 

Again you are predicating this on the fact the WHOLE House will fall in line. I don't see it, but good luck with those political circuses. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.1    5 months ago
You should ask the entire  Democratic caucus why it made it that much harder to do so. 

So you are saying the right wing wants to fund the Ukraine? Seems weird since....they don't. What are you driving at Sean? If France or the UK was being attacked by Russia, would you be cheering for Russia? I ask because it looks like most of the right wing is.. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.7  evilone  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.4    5 months ago
I don't think he can,

He's not well liked in the House to begin with. If elected he'll likely ignore funding and go straight to impeachment. His whole schtick is to fuck the Dems.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.4    5 months ago

Most of today's gqp appear to be [deleted the reich wing).]

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.1.9  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.1    5 months ago

Jim Jordan is a Russian stooge so why would he?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.1.10  afrayedknot  replied to  cjcold @5.1.9    5 months ago

“Jim Jordan is a Russian stooge…”

You give him too much credit.

He is but a wannabe, a flyover with no content, no context, and no meaningful contribution to be had. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.11  devangelical  replied to  afrayedknot @5.1.10    5 months ago

doesn't he have a court date coming up soon concerning his time at ohio state?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.1.12  afrayedknot  replied to  devangelical @5.1.11    5 months ago

No idea.

All I know he is totally ill equipped to be third in line for the presidency. That sobering thought alone should influence every house vote. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @5.1.12    5 months ago

Definitely not Presidential material.

neither is Kamala, but you seem cool with it.

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.1.14  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.3    5 months ago
Whoever it is going to learn from what happened to McCarthy that he can't compromise with Democrats

At this time we are optimally positioned for the adults in the room to discard their party affiliations and coalesce around governing in a responsible manner. 

Oh,no. That will never happen. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.2  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    5 months ago

maga scum finally linking their legislative support here to their hero's comrades in russia. what a surprise...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @5.2    5 months ago

You  just realized some people don't think sending tens of  billions to Ukraine when we already have a trillion dollar deficit is a good idea?  Congrats on catching up.

It's amazing how  little democrats ever understand about their actions.   It's a party full of Mayor Bowsers wondering why Washington DC has a massive crime problem and not enough cops. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.1    5 months ago
You  just realized some people don't think sending tens of  billions to Ukraine when we already have a trillion dollar deficit is a good idea? 

How much do we send to Israel every year? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.2    5 months ago

what in the fuck does that have to do with Ukraine?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.3    5 months ago

what in the fuck does that have to do with Ukraine?

Learn to follow a thread.. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.4    5 months ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.5    5 months ago

Sure, just as soon as you figure out how to comment topically and stop deflecting, deal?

Ok, I will type slowly....

Sean is complaining that we support our ally, the Ukraine, but does he complain that we send over 10Billion a year to Israel? No, of course not. Cause and effect, supporting one ally over another... 

NOW do you get it? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2.7  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.5    5 months ago

Be careful how you reply, I am looking for a reason to ignore you yet again. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.6    5 months ago

it isn't the speed of your typing but rather the content of what you type.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.7    5 months ago

Meh.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.2.10  afrayedknot  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.7    5 months ago

“Be careful…”

Or just do what I told tex months ago…that I was done responding to the inanity, knowing full well it would never stop.

Every single post only confirms the old idiom that less is [more…deleted]

[Confirmation headed our way.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2.11  MrFrost  replied to  afrayedknot @5.2.10    5 months ago

Bingo. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.12  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.3    5 months ago
what in the fuck does that have to do with Ukraine?

Is it that big a stretch for you? Seeing as it is my seed, I'll quote LBJ's line to PM Pearson: "Don't come down here and piss on my rug!"

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.2    5 months ago

vow much do we send to Israel every year? .  

3.8 billion.  For context, We've given Ukraine 113 billion so far with a request for more.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.2.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @5.2.12    5 months ago

Exactly, only the beagles were allowed to piss on his rug.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.6    5 months ago
es he complain that we send over 10Billion a year to Israel? No, of course not. Cause and effect, supporting one ally over another.

 You are making things up. You are misstating facts and what I wrote. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @5.2.12    5 months ago

I would surely love it if you explained what Isreal has to do with Ukraine 

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.17  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.14    5 months ago

Pearson only wanted to know which end to kick.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.2.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.13    5 months ago

The good news is that we’ve unloaded some older military equipment that we wanted to replace anyway and got rid of ammo that was nearing it’s “best used by” dates.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.2.19  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.15    5 months ago

Yep. It's $3.8B. and so far, near as I can find, $41B to Ukraine.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.18    5 months ago

I hope it's enough.  I don't think anymore is getting sent anytime soon. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.21  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.16    5 months ago
what Isreal has to do with Ukraine

What everything has to do with everything - oil.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.2.22  afrayedknot  replied to  afrayedknot @5.2.10    5 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.2.23  devangelical  replied to  afrayedknot @5.2.22    5 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.24  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @5.2.21    5 months ago

neither Israel or Ukraine are that big of producers.

Gonna have to do better than that.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.2.25  afrayedknot  replied to  devangelical @5.2.23    5 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2.26  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.13    5 months ago
3.8 billion.

Um, it's closer to 15 billion/Yr. 

Embassy of Israel, Washington, D.C. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid: until February 2022, the United States had provided Israel US$150 billion (non-inflation-adjusted) in bilateral assistance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations#:~:text=Embassy%20of%20Israel%2C%20Washington%2C%20D.C.&text=Israel%20is%20the%20largest%20cumulative,%2Dadjusted)%20in%20bilateral%20assistance.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2.27  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.20    5 months ago

And the 38 Billion Obama gave them....

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.2.28  GregTx  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.26    5 months ago
Um, it's closer to 15 billion/Yr

Embassy of Israel, Washington, D.C. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid: until February 2022, the United States had provided Israel US$150 billion (non-inflation-adjusted) in bilateral assistance.

I don't see that in your link, could you provide a link please?

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.29  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.19    5 months ago
It's $3.8B.

Close enough and one of the 'satirical' reasons abortions in Israel are free.

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.2.30  GregTx  replied to  Hallux @5.2.29    5 months ago

Bless your ❤️....

 
 
 
George
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5.2.31  George  replied to  GregTx @5.2.28    5 months ago

This proves the 3.8 right, it’s from the CBO, hope that’s a reliable source.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.32  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.24    5 months ago
neither Israel or Ukraine are that big of producers.

Pipelines are strategic to all countries in eurasia.

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.2.33  GregTx  replied to  Hallux @5.2.32    5 months ago
Pipelines are strategic to all countries

No doubt.

 
 
 
George
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5.2.34  George  replied to  GregTx @5.2.28    5 months ago

Math is hard, it’s harder if you’re an idiot trying to score political points, Obama’s 38 billion was a 10 year aid package, maybe someone who knows how to use the calculator built into their electronic device can tell us how much that works out to per year?

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.35  seeder  Hallux  replied to  George @5.2.34    5 months ago

People make errors all the time and every time an idiot comes along to 'score' inane points. Oh the humanity!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.2.36  Jack_TX  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.26    5 months ago
Um, it's closer to 15 billion/Yr. 

It's not.

It's been $150 billion in total... since 1946 .

In 2023 it's set to be $3.8 billion.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.37  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Jack_TX @5.2.36    5 months ago
In 2023 it's set to be $3.8 billion.

I believe we have established that ... time to move on.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.38  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @5.2.32    5 months ago

you should stop trying to compare the aid given to each country.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.39  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.38    5 months ago

Okay, let me know when I do that.

Time to finish the last season of Bomb Girls ...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.40  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @5.2.39    5 months ago

Denial is futile.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.2.41  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.1    5 months ago

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Hallux
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5.3  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    5 months ago
200 plus Democrats and 8 Republicans love chaos.

Is this a joke? For 4 years Trump voters praised the 'Chaos Presidency' of DJT ... Animal Farm dejavu. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.3.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @5.3    5 months ago
Is this a joke? For 4 years Trump voters praised the 'Chaos Presidency' of DJT .

Dem House members said better late than never.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.3.2  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.3.1    5 months ago

Dem house members have said many things, one of them is that you are never serious.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.3.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hallux @5.3    5 months ago
or 4 years Trump voters praised the 'Chaos Presidency' of DJT

Did they?  But sure, if you want to argue that the Democrats are as reckless as Trump, I won't stop you.

Real high bar you set there "Democrats are the same as the guy we've spent the last 7 years calling the biggest threat to democracy in history"

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @5.3.2    5 months ago

jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.3.5  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.3.3    5 months ago
Did they? 

That they did, hell they still do.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    5 months ago

“200 plus Democrats and 8 Republicans love chaos.” 

The Democrats had nothing to do with the gop uncivil war other than showing that their leadership had them unified. The entire debacle came down to the rogue demagogues blowing up an institutional precedent that had stood since our inception.  

And for just what purpose?

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.4.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4    5 months ago
And for just what purpose?

All the tired squirrels in the sun

How are they supposed to get any climbing done?

(apol. to Bob D.)

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4    5 months ago

Rogue demagogues and Party unity over country.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.4.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4    5 months ago
The Democrats had nothing to do with the gop uncivil war 

Do you not understand how voting works?  Every democrat plus the Matt Gaetz eight voted for an unknown new speaker.   Without the Democrats unified support, nonthing would have changed.  Now, thanks to the Democrats and their ally Matt Gaetz, we have chaos.  

This is the same as claiming to not understand what happens when a fire alarm is pulled. You can't act surprised when the alarm goes off and the door doesn't open, unless you are illiterate or severely mentally handicapped..  When  you vote to remove the Speaker and create chaos, that's what you get when you succeed. Enjoy the shutdown. Maybe Democrats will gain a few points in the polls and you can pat yourselves on the back for a job well done  as the  shutdown goes on. That's the entire point, right?   

 
 
 
evilone
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5.4.4  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.3    5 months ago
Enjoy the shutdown.

OR the new Speaker isn't a MAGA Moron and makes a deal with the Dems to get elected and pass funding. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.4.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @5.4.4    5 months ago
ew Speaker isn't a MAGA Moron and makes a deal with the Dems to get elected and pass funding. 

Why would the next speaker  do that after what happened to McCarthy after reaching a deal with Democrats on a mere CR?  Everyone knows Democrats promises to protect a Speaker for compromising, like Pelosi promised McCarthy are worthless. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.4.6  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.5    5 months ago
Why would the next speaker  do that after what happened to McCarthy

Because it's politically necessary.  

Everyone knows Democrats promises... are worthless. 

It's isn't like the Republicans are shining beacons of integrity either. You can change Democrats to politicians and be more accurate. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.4.7  afrayedknot  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.3    5 months ago

“Do you not understand how voting works?”

I totally understand. Do you understand the reasoning behind his expulsion? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.4.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4.7    5 months ago
Do you understand the reasoning behind his expulsion? 

Yes, 100% of Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to create chaos that they think will help them, as one of your compatriots said earlier, raise money and in the polls, with the hope of electing more members in 2025. They want to make things as bad as possible now believing Republicans will be blamed. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.4.9  devangelical  replied to  evilone @5.4.6    5 months ago

with the growing disunity in the republican party, the process to seat a new chair will be hilarious. any republican with a handful of friends, that's willing to make a deal with democrats, gets the chair and if they renege, it only takes one democrat to file a motion to vacate. welcome to the newest trump reality show, speaker for a day...

 
 
 
Hallux
Masters Principal
5.4.10  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.8    5 months ago
100% of Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz

Get over this nonsense, just a few days ago Matt-z was the GoP's Jeanne D'arc. Dems sided against McCarthy just as Rep's would have sided against Nanc-z in a similar situation.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
5.4.11  Jack_TX  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.8    5 months ago
to create chaos

Congress creates chaos.  

A non-functioning Congress simply means the chaos machine is down and we'll have to make do with less official foolishness for a while.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
5.4.12  afrayedknot  replied to  Jack_TX @5.4.11    5 months ago

“…make do with less official foolishness for a while.”

Tell that to our essential federal employees and military personnel, many of whom survive paycheck-to-paycheck, when the foolishness extends beyond those who have already ensured themselves a pay raise. Incredulous. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
5.4.13  afrayedknot  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.8    5 months ago

“…believing Republicans will be blamed.” 

Self explanatory. 

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
5.4.14  GregTx  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4.13    5 months ago

Exactly, I also think Sean explained it rather well.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
5.4.15  Jack_TX  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4.12    5 months ago
“…make do with less official foolishness for a while.”

The quote function is not difficult to use.  

Tell that to our essential federal employees and military personnel, many of whom survive paycheck-to-paycheck, when the foolishness extends beyond those who have already ensured themselves a pay raise.

You act as if they don't already know.  

Nevertheless, they have 7 weeks to work all this out.  In the meantime, we should all run around talking about the sky falling, as though we don't know how to live our lives without Congress telling us what to do.

Incredulous. 

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
5.4.16  afrayedknot  replied to  Jack_TX @5.4.15    5 months ago

“The quote function is not difficult to use.” 
 
Too difficult to follow? Incredulous. 
See you in seven tortuous weeks. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.4.17  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.5    5 months ago

Why the fuck should we work with McCarthy?  That two faced back stabbing scumbag?  Fuck him!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
5.4.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @5.4.17    5 months ago
Why the fuck should we work with McCarthy? 

That is why he is gone. He worked with the democrats to pass the CR and the repubs, some at least, didn't like it.

"He had to choose between either a shutdown, essentially, or between working with Democrats in order to avoid that shutdown. And, in the end, he did work with Democrats, and they passed that 45-day funding bill easily after Republicans could not agree on a solution themselves."

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.4.29  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.4.18    5 months ago

The rest of this thread was removed for no value and or taunting. Knock it off. Only warning.

 
 

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