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There is nothing they won't do to beat Trump.

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  one month ago  •  86 comments

There is nothing they won't do to beat Trump.
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself." ...Joseph Goebbels

Is there no end to it? No level they won't stoop to?

If the Russia hoax and lawfare were not enough, the Biden campaign has resurrected an old lie from the late stages of the 2020 campaign. That was the infamous campaign which featured Joe Biden being hidden away in his cellar, the media blaming Trump for the pandemic, a valid news story being suppressed and labelled "Russian disinformation" and a key democrat election lawyer getting election laws changed in battleground states so that young voters who leaned toward democrats, but tended not to vote, could vote from the comfort of home. One of the most insidious incidents during that full court press was the slanderous story posted by leftwing media outlet "The Atlantic," which purported to claim that President Trump called dead veterans "suckers & losers."

"Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day.  In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as "suckers" for getting killed."

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’ - The Atlantic

That was used by the Biden campaign in 2020.

The claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words.  There was no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the in-question comments and to this day there is still no substantiation for these so-called unnamed sources. However, there are at least three people who stepped up and said they never heard Trump say anything like that: Zach Fuentes, a former White House aide, John Bolton, who was on the trip and then U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and of course, there was also Donald Trump who vehemently denies it.

Now Biden is resurrecting the slur, and he did it on foreign soil during the Memorial Day weekend in what had to be the most political, divisive speeches ever given at such a ceremony and now he is using it in a campaign ad. Trump began fighting back at a rally yesterday in Las Vegas:


“Think of it from a practical standpoint, I’m standing there with generals and military people, in a cemetery and I look at them, I say, ‘These people are suckers and losers,’” he began.

“Now, think of it,” he continued, “unless you’re a psycho or a crazy person or a very stupid person—who would say that anyway—but who would say it to military people?”

In fact, no one is alleging Trump made the insults at a French cemetery.

Trump says only a ‘psycho’ would call war dead ‘suckers and losers’ – which a general says Trump did (msn.com)

The Trump campaign would rather not highlight it, but Trump prefers to fight back.


In other news:

The U.S. is pushing the U.N. Security Council to vote on a resolution calling for a cease-fire in Gaza and a release of all the hostages.

The commander of the Israeli military’s Gaza division resigned over the Oct 7th attacks. He said in a letter that he had failed to protect Israeli communities on the border of Gaza.

Benny Gantz, a key member of Israel’s war cabinet, quit the government over the way the war has been handled.

Israeli forces
rescued of four hostages in Gaza over the weekend.

In the European Parliament elections, voters in the 27 member states largely backed centrists, but right-wing parties made serious gains in France and Germany. The Greens, a party focused on the environment, were the night’s biggest losers.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Good morning.

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Lisa Goree recently became the first female leader of the Shinnecock Nation in centuries. The tribe once was led by women.

What could that be like?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

Since you're providing today's news, if you don't mind I'll add this:  Today is Dragon Boat Festival, a traditional Chinese holiday which is also celebrated elsewhere.  The main activity is the racing of the "Dragon Boats", and the main special food that is consumed is called zongzi.  A detailed description and explanation of the festival can be found at this link ->

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    one month ago

Do you partake?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    one month ago

I don't do the boat racing, just watch it on TV, but I certainly do partake in eating zongzi, one of my favourite festival delicacies. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.2    one month ago

I'll bet it is much different than what people here think of as Chinese food.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    one month ago

Absolutely.  You'll see them on the article I linked.  I don't think you'll find them on the menu of Chinese restaurants in North America, although Chinese Americans might prepare it for themselves.  They probably won't have bamboo leaves to wrap them, but they can use reed leaves instead.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

The Shinnecock have been a matrical society for thousands of years until the late 1700s when they have to have men as leaders to deal with the backward Europeans. They have simply returned to the original society which most NA tribes follow.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.2    one month ago
when they have to have men as leaders to deal with the backward Europeans.

Lol. I love it!

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
1.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    one month ago
Lol. I love it!

I'm sure that you do and you can see how badly they screwed everything up.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @1.2    one month ago
matrical

Matriarchal

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.2.2    one month ago

Whatever the negatives were the Europeans brought culture, knowledge and well-being wherever they went.

They also were able to construct a ship to cross the ocean.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2.5  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.4    one month ago
Whatever the negatives were the Europeans brought culture, knowledge and well-being wherever they went.

They sure did, disease, death, little medicine and genocide. 

They also were able to construct a ship to cross the ocean.

As were the Polynesians long before any Europeans sailed the Atlantic the Polynesians and South American Indians were covering the Pacific. Cities and Pyramids older than the Egyptian pyramids throughout Central and South American. Massive advanced cities in  north America.

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.2.5    one month ago
They sure did

Yes, they did.


As were the Polynesians

Please..

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
1.2.7  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    one month ago
Yes, they did.

This is my complete comment, as usual, you post only part of the comment: Here it is again and I've added more to it, they are called facts, if you are not familiar with them.

They sure did, disease, death, little medicine and genocide. I'll add doctrine of discovery, including slavery, rape, torture. If you can dispute any of it I'd love to hear your lame excuse. Please..

You want more facts, good to hear you are open to facts and recorded history, that is a step forward into the world of reality. 

Waanakiwin.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.8  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    one month ago

According to DNA there are plants like yams that could only have come from Polynesia 700 - 800 hundreds of years ago up and down the coast of South America. 

Conversely modern day Polynesians have South American DNA in them.

 

Polynesian navigation of the Pacific Ocean and its settlement began thousands of years ago. The inhabitants of the Pacific islands had been voyaging across vast expanses of ocean water sailing in double canoes or outriggers using nothing more than their knowledge of the stars and observations of sea and wind patterns to guide them.

The Pacific Ocean is one-third of the earth's surface and its remote islands were the last to be reached by humans. These islands are scattered across an ocean that covers 165.25 million square kilometres (63.8 million square miles). The ancestors of the Polynesians, the Lapita people, set out from Taiwan and settled Remote Oceania between 1100-900 BCE, although there is evidence of Lapita settlements in the Bismarck Archipelago as early as 2000 BCE. The Lapita and their ancestors were skilled seafarers who memorised navigational instructions and passed their knowledge down through folklore, cultural heroes, and simple oral stories.

https://www.worldhistory.org/img/r/p/1000x1200/12542.jpg.webp?v=1713962463 1000w" type="image/webp" > https://www.worldhistory.org/img/r/p/1000x1200/12542.jpg?v=1713962463 1000w" type="image/jpeg" > Polynesian Navigation & Settlement of the Pacific - World History Encyclopedia
 
 
 
Thomas
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1.2.9  Thomas  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.8    one month ago

And after you get done with that link...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.8    one month ago

You are defending Polynesians?

Go back to Post 1.2

Tell me what group of people is under attack?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.2.7    one month ago

The very rights & existence you have today came from those very people you dislike so much.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.2.9    one month ago
And after you get done with that link..

Here is one you need to sit right down with:

How Cultural Marxism Threatens the United States—and How Americans Can Fight It | The Heritage Foundation

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
1.2.13  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.11    one month ago
The very rights & existence you have today came from those very people you dislike so much.

Wow, now that is the most bigoted comment I've seen you make in a long time, besides being bigoted it's completely false but the ''white is right'' mantra lives strong in some. 

 
 
 
evilone
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1.2.14  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.12    one month ago
Here is one you need to sit right down with: How Cultural Marxism Threatens the United States—and How Americans Can Fight It | The Heritage Foundation

It's not surprising to see the Heritage Foundation parroting something right off the old neo-nazi website Stormfront.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.3    one month ago

[removed] [] He's correct, so you have to be petty about a grammatical error.

SMH

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.11    one month ago

Not true.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.2.17  evilone  replied to  evilone @1.2.14    one month ago
...the old neo-nazi website Stormfront.

Neo-Nazi   and   white supremacists   promoted the conspiracy theory and help expand its reach. Websites such as the   American Renaissance   have run articles with titles like "Cultural Marxism in Action: Media Matters Engineers Cancellation of Vdare.com Conference". [8]   The Daily Stormer   regularly runs stories about "Cultural Marxism" with titles such as "Jewish Cultural Marxism is Destroying   Abercrombie & Fitch", "Hollywood Strikes Again: Cultural Marxism through the Medium of Big Box-Office Movies" and "The Left-Center-Right Political Spectrum of Immigration = Cultural Marxism". [51]

Neo-nazis associated with   Stormfront   have strategically used the Frankfurt School as a euphemism to refer to Jewish people more generally, in venues where more forthright anti-semitism would be censored or rejected. [1]

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.18  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.10    one month ago
As were the Polynesians
Please.

You go back to 1.2.6 it was your comment.

My cousin in Hawaii only sailed at night, they eschewed most instruments as long as they could see the stars and follow the paths their fathers taught them.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.19  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.12    one month ago

Anything from The Heritage Foundation is neither fair or balanced.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

Why do you deny the former 'president' #34 said these things when everyone knows that it did??

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

CBS News Poll:

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devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    one month ago

unrepentant liar - 16% - 80%

serial adulterer - 11% - 88%

34x convicted felon - 0% - 99%

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  devangelical @2.1    one month ago

No one really cares except for a handful of aging liberals.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2.1    one month ago

This 'article' is nothing but projection, deflection, denial and outright lies, as usual

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    one month ago

Biden set a new low in his approval rating on 538

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2    one month ago

Nobody has ever won with such a low approval rating.

Can democrats find a way again?

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2    one month ago

Trump and Biden are tied in 538's new election forecast

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3  Jeremy Retired in NC    one month ago
The claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words.  There was no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the in-question comments and to this day there is still no substantiation for these so-called unnamed sources.

The Democrats LOVE that kind of bullshit.  Just look at the amount of fiction they have pushed since losing the 2016 election.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    one month ago

They just say the most damning things.

That is why NY Times v Sullivan should be revisited.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one month ago
and of course, there was also Donald Trump who vehemently denies it

that's reason enough to believe it...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    one month ago

There is another Biden campaign lie floating around about insulin pricing. It seems Biden forgot who it was that tried to set a limit on it:

Separately, the Trump administration implemented a program in which some Medicare Part D and Medicare Advantage plans voluntarily set the maximum copay for insulin at $35 per month. 

Misleading claims cite Biden for insulin price increases | AP News


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devangelical
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3.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    one month ago

please explain why his sycophants in congress kept voting against it then ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    one month ago

Is that how you plan to spin it?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    one month ago

is that how you plan on answering my question?

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.6  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    one month ago

A lie like all other Trump lies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    one month ago

That was a dodge to the fact that you don't like that it was Trump that implanted a program to bring insulin prices down.

He also got us a vaccine in record time, which Dr Fauci told us was not possible.

Tough for some to swallow but true.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    one month ago
Social media posts claim US President Joe Biden took credit for lowering insulin prices after reversing a similar action from predecessor Donald Trump. This is misleading; Trump approved a voluntary program capping insulin costs at $35 for many seniors and issued an executive order that was never implemented, while Biden signed a law mandating low prices and encouraged pharmaceutical firms to limit costs for all diabetics. Posts mislead on Trump, Biden moves to lower insulin prices | Fact Check (afp.com)
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.8    one month ago

Trump did it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    one month ago

So trump was president in 2022? LMFAO!!!! 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.9    one month ago
Trump approved a voluntary program capping insulin costs at $35 for many seniors and issued an executive order that was never implemented,

Maybe this will help.

On July 24, 2020, President Trump signed   Executive Order 13937 . The stated goal was to make insulin and EpiPens more affordable.

There’s debate about what sort of impact it would have had, but there’s no way to know for sure because it never actually went into effect. Here’s why.

Executive orders don’t typically go into effect immediately. The federal departments involved first have to write up a plan to execute them, called a rule. Trump’s Department of Health and Human Services   finalized an insulin rule   on Dec. 23, 2020, and scheduled it to take effect Jan. 22, 2021.

But President Biden took office on Jan. 20. His administration   issued a freeze   on the rule –   and several others   that were still pending – so his administration could look it over before letting it take effect. This is common practice when a new president takes office.

After a months-long review process, the Biden administration decided to   rescind   the rule, preventing it from going into effect.

As for the claim that Trump’s order would have lowered insulin prices, that’s true, but only for low-income patients of   Federally Qualified Health Centers .

FQHCs are community clinics that receive government funding to help vulnerable populations. They’re eligible for government-negotiated   discounts   on certain drugs, including insulin.

Trump’s order would have prevented FQHCs from charging patients within certain income brackets – those making less than 350% of the federal poverty line – more for insulin than the discounted price paid by the clinic, plus a small administrative fee.

But only about 1 in 11 Americans use FQHCs, according to the   U.S. Bureau of Primary Care , the agency that oversees them. In turn, only a fraction of those patients use insulin, and only a portion of those fall below the income threshold to qualify for the proposed discount. So Trump’s order would not have made insulin cheaper for most Americans.

There was also pushback from the clinics who would have been implicated under this rule. The   National Association of Community Health Centers   called the order well-intentioned, but said it wasn’t the right solution because the red tape that would have been created by tracking which patients are eligible for the discount would be so expensive and time-consuming that it would make it harder for the clinics to do their jobs.

Biden stopped Trump insulin order for some health centers | verifythis.com

Eventually Biden got three major pharmaceuticals to agree to lower their prices in 2021.

That didn't happen either.

Which is why it ended up in the Inflation Reduction Act and was passed and signed by Biden in 2022

and took effect in 2023. Eli Lilly expanded the $35 cap for seniors on Medicare.

The cap automatically applies to people with private insurance. People without insurance will be eligible as long as they sign up for Eli Lilly’s copay assistance program.  Drugmaker Eli Lilly caps the cost of insulin at $35 a month, bringing relief for millions (nbcnews.com)

Biden did it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.11    one month ago
Biden did it.

Read your own article. He froze Trump's order and replaced it.

From one of your very own leftwing fact checkers.

It must really be sour grapes for Trump haters.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.12    one month ago
Read your own article. He froze Trump's order and replaced it.

You read it. Biden froze a toothless voluntary cap in yet another Trump EO

and replaced it with bipartisan legislation, an effective law.

From one of your very own leftwing fact checkers.

Didn't read the link did you?

As for the claim that Trump’s order would have lowered insulin prices, that’s true, but only for low-income patients of      Federally Qualified Health Centers  .

...

In turn, only a fraction of those patients use insulin, and only a portion of those fall below the income threshold to qualify for the proposed discount. So Trump’s order would not have made insulin cheaper for most Americans.

There was also pushback from the clinics who would have been implicated under this rule. The      National Association of Community Health Centers       called the order well-intentioned, but said it wasn’t the right solution because the red tape that would have been created by tracking which patients are eligible for the discount would be so expensive and time-consuming that it would make it harder for the clinics to do their jobs.

Never implemented.

Biden did it. Now insulin is capped for everyone. It's the law, not an EO.

It must really be sour grapes for Trump haters.

To the contrary, your continued denial sounds like sour grapes for Biden haters.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Another crazy New York day:

"A millionaire investment banker allegedly   slugged a woman in the face , sending her crashing down onto a Brooklyn street Saturday night.

Disturbing video shows   the man violently delivering an overhand right punch to the woman’s face in front of a crowd of partygoers enjoying Brooklyn Pride in Park Slope.

The woman covered her injured face and crumpled to the ground, just feet away from a second presumably injured person lying on the pavement."

Millionaire investment banker punches woman on Brooklyn street (nypost.com)

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The NYPD knows who he is. He may actually get punished. He is not one of 'the oppressed."

No ticket issued because the author is allowed to derail his own articles, SP

 
 
 
George
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4.1  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

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Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @4.1    one month ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Does anyone think that FBI Director Wray will have a job if Trump is elected?


 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    one month ago

everyone is always picking on poor Donald Trump

www.cnn.com   /2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/

Exclusive: John Kelly goes on the record to confirm several disturbing stories about Trump

Jake Tapper 8-10 minutes   10/2/2023


CNN  — 

John Kelly, the longest-serving White House chief of staff for  Donald Trump , offered his harshest criticism yet of the former president in an exclusive statement to CNN.

Kelly set the record straight with on-the-record confirmation of a number of damning stories about statements Trump made behind closed doors attacking US service members and veterans, listing a number of objectionable comments Kelly witnessed Trump make firsthand.

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

In the statement, Kelly is confirming, on the record, a number of details in a  2020 story in The Atlantic by editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg , including Trump turning to Kelly on Memorial Day 2017, as they stood among those killed in Afghanistan and Iraq in Section 60 at Arlington National Cemetery, and saying, “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?”

Those details also include Trump’s inability to understand why the American public respects former prisoners of war and those shot down in combat. Then-candidate Trump of course said in front of a crowd in 2015 that former Vietnam POW Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, was “not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” But behind closed doors, sources told Goldberg, this lack of understanding went on to cause Trump to repeatedly call McCain a “loser” and to refer to former President George H. W. Bush, who was also shot down as a Navy pilot in World War II, as a “loser.”

CNN reached out to the Trump campaign Monday afternoon, telling officials there that a former administration official had confirmed, on the record, a number of details about the 2020 Atlantic story, without naming Kelly, and seeking comment. The Trump campaign responded by insulting the character and credibility of retired Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Mark Milley, who had nothing to do with this story. An updated statement from a Trump campaign spokesperson on Tuesday said, “John Kelly has totally clowned himself with these debunked stories he’s made up because he didn’t serve his president well while working as chief of staff.”

The Atlantic article also described Trump’s 2018 visit to France for the centennial anniversary of the end of World War I, where, according to several senior staff members, Trump said he did not want to visit the graves of American soldiers buried in the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris because, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” During that same trip to France, the article reported, Trump said the 1,800 US Marines killed in the Belleau Wood were “suckers” for getting killed.

And Kelly’s statement adds context to a story in the book “The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021,” by Susan Glasser and Peter Baker, in which Trump, after a separate trip to France in 2017, tells Kelly he wants no wounded veterans in a military parade he’s trying to have planned in his honor. Inspired by the Bastille Day parade, except for the section of the parade featuring wounded French veterans in wheelchairs, Trump tells Kelly, “Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade.”

“Those are the heroes,” Kelly said. “In our society, there’s only one group of people who are more heroic than they are – and they are buried over in Arlington.”

“I don’t want them,” Trump said. “It doesn’t look good for me.”

The story squares with another recent story from Goldberg in The Atlantic, a  profile of retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley , in which Trump does not react well to seeing severely wounded Army Captain Luis Avila singing “God Bless America” at a welcome event for the new chairman. “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded.”

Kelly’s statement also refers to a remark Trump made in response to that same article, which describes Milley, in the closing days of the Trump presidency in 2020, receiving intelligence that the Chinese military feared Trump was about to order a military strike on it. Milley, in a call authorized by Trump administration officials, reassured his Chinese counterparts that such a strike was not going to happen.

That call was first reported in 2021 in the book “Peril” by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, but Trump said this past week on his social media site that the call was “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH.”

Asked for reaction to the suggestion that he deserves execution, Milley told Norah O’Donnell of “60 Minutes” that he wouldn’t “comment directly on those, those things. But I can tell you that this military, this soldier, me, will never turn our back on that Constitution.”

Kelly’s statement to CNN comes days after former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson sat down with CNN in an interview promoting her new book, “Enough,” and  warned the public  that “Donald Trump is the most grave threat we will face to our democracy in our lifetime, and potentially in American history.”

“Enough,” interestingly, contains a scene in which Hutchinson and then-White House communications director Alyssa Farah Griffin push back against Goldberg’s 2020 story. Griffin issued a statement to The Atlantic after that story posted denying the report.

Reached for comment over the weekend, Griffin said, “Despite publicly praising the military and claiming to be the most pro-military president, there’s a demonstrable record of Trump bashing the most decorated service members in our country, from Gen. Mattis to Kelly to Milley, to criticizing the wounded or deceased like John McCain. Donald Trump will fundamentally never understand service the way those who have actually served in uniform will, and it’s one of the countless reasons he’s unfit to be commander in chief.”

No other presidential candidate in history has had so many detractors from his inner circle. His former secretary of defense, Mark Esper, told CNN in November 2022, “I think he’s unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well.”

Trump’s former attorney general, Bill Barr, told CBS in June that “he is a consummate narcissist. And he constantly engages in reckless conduct. … He will always put his own interests, and gratifying his own ego, ahead of everything else, including the country’s interests. Our country can’t, you know, can’t be a therapy session for you know, a troubled man like this.”
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

fuck trump

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    one month ago
"fuck trump"
How profound!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    one month ago

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cjcold
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6.1.3  cjcold  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.1    one month ago

So what part of Reagan suffering from dementia and the country being run by an astrologist don't you get Greg?[]

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    one month ago

It seems there is no low, low enough, for their dear leader to sink, yet they still defend it

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago
Then-candidate Trump of course said in front of a crowd in 2015 that former Vietnam POW Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, was “not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” But behind closed doors, sources told Goldberg, this lack of understanding went on to cause Trump to repeatedly call McCain a “loser” and to refer to former President George H. W. Bush, who was also shot down as a Navy pilot in World War II, as a “loser.”

Do you remember what Democrats said about McCain?

Democrats treated George H.W. Bush no better.

But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!! The battle cry for those that can't defend Brandon's record.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2    one month ago
But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!

but, but, but, what about...

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @6.2.1    one month ago

To paraphrase John.

Fuck Brandon[]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2    one month ago
“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.3    one month ago

Sorry don't believe in God.[]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.3    one month ago

That doesn't work John. It if it did CNN wouldn't need 20 paragraphs.

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.2.6  cjcold  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2.2    one month ago

[]

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.2.7  cjcold  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2.4    one month ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

All of this is secondhand hearsay, with no credible of evidence of it being true.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @6.3    one month ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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6.3.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @6.3.1    one month ago

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cjcold
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6.3.3  cjcold  replied to  Greg Jones @6.3    one month ago

Just like every one of your misspelled posts?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

All of that to cover what Kelly couldn't actually say.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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7  Ozzwald    one month ago
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself." ...Joseph Goebbels

And in this case that lie is that there was no Russian involvement or collusion in 2016 election.

There have been multiple investigations, including one headed by republicans, that have agreed that there was attempted interference by Russia and collusion with the Trump and the Trump campaign.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @7    one month ago
There have been multiple investigations, including one headed by republicans, that have agreed that there was attempted interference by Russia and collusion with the Trump and the Trump campaign.

Odd that nothing come of any of them.  Could it be due to the fact that none showed what you claimed?  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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7.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1    one month ago
Could it be due to the fact that none showed what you claimed?

Or it could be that after it was over Trump was POTUS and quashed any possible investigation by the DOJ.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @7.1.1    one month ago

If you want to keep running with fiction you can do that.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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7.2  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @7    one month ago

Leaving out the important fact that the Russians were playing both sides?

November 12-19, 2016: New York and North Carolina

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Michael Moore, a left-leaning documentary filmmaker, attended an anti-Trump rally in New York on November 12, 2016. The event was allegedly organized by Russians.   Twitter

Russian interference didn't end with Trump's election victory.

Shortly after the November vote, the Russians helped organize several pro-Trump rallies at the same time they organized anti-Trump protests, calling on people to object to the election results.

On November 12, the Russians helped coordinate an anti-Trump rally that drew as many as 25,000 people,   according to NBC News .

Fox News   reported   that Michael Moore, the prominent documentary filmmaker who strongly opposes Trump, attended that rally.

About a week later, the Russians organized a protest called "Charlotte Against Trump" in North Carolina.

These rallies represented just a fraction of the dozens of other   rallies that took place in cities across the US   after Trump's victory.

But keep narrative that Russia is pro Trump. Putin appreciates your support.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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7.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @7.2    one month ago
Leaving out the important fact that the Russians were playing both sides?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @7.2.1    one month ago

He appears to be the devil himself.....if one has enough hate to believe it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.2    one month ago

No hate necessary to see the truth, reality - the former 'president' is more like the anti-christ - satan is quite intelligent I would imagine, unlike #34

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.3    one month ago
- satan is quite intelligent I would imagine, 

Not many fundamentalist on NT, good for you

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ronin2 @7.2    one month ago

the Russians helped coordinate an anti-Trump rally that drew as many as 25,000 people,  according to NBC News .

by  far, the Russians greatest success.

 
 
 
cjcold
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7.2.6  cjcold  replied to  Ronin2 @7.2    one month ago

Just like Americans, there are good Russians and bad Russians.

Fascists are fascists no matter where they're from.

Putin, Trump and their ilk are the worst of the worst.

The problem being is that Putin is much smarter than Trump

 
 
 
Thomas
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7.2.7  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.2    one month ago
He appears to be the devil himself...

Trump the Devil? Ha! You give him too much credit. He is the vessel.

 
 
 
cjcold
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7.3  cjcold  replied to  Ozzwald @7    one month ago

Not to mention the decades of propaganda against Hillary. Putin hates her! 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8  Ronin2    one month ago

Dub

 
 

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