Election 2024
Tomorrow night is election night. It has seemed like a very long election and a very consequential one. The direction of the country hangs in the balance. The pollsters have claimed that the election will be extremely close. If that is really the case, we won't know the winner by tomorrow night, all because of the changes made to the election process in 2020.
In the Senate races, the GOP is an odds-on favorite to retake the US Senate. Control of the House is a tossup. The other thing people will find on their ballots are ballot initiatives. Six states have abortion measures on the ballot. Some of those are only there to bring out more democrats. The states are Arizona, Florida, Missouri, Montana, Nevada and Nebraska. Florida, North Dakota and South Dakota will vote on whether to legalize recreational marijuana, and Nebraska will vote on medical marijuana. School vouchers are also on the ballot in Kentucky and Nebraska. Alaska, California and Missouri are considering raising the minimum wage. In MA the teachers have the MCAS Exam on the ballot which it appears they would like to end.
Nearly 75 million people have already cast their ballots (one third of the eligible voters.) Both candidates will spend most of their final day, today, in the crucial swing state of Pennsylvania.
Yesterday on "This Week," Reince Priebus told the nation what the bellwether would be. He said watch Virginia, the polling places there close at 7: PM tomorrow night. If Virginia goes big for Harris, she is likely to be ok, but if the Virginia vote is tight, it should be a good night for Donald Trump.
To everyone who wants America back : you better get out there and vote.
In the news:
Thousands of children in Gaza City received a second polio vaccine.
The New York Times Tech Guild that represents hundreds of the giant newspaper's tech staffers went on strike on Monday, one day before Election Day.
NBC News filed an Equal Time notice with the Federal Communications Commission late Sunday, disclosing Kamala Harris' on SNL after the network was accused of violating a longstanding rule.
In Colombia, a fossil-collecting rancher found a killer bird fossil from 13 million years ago.
CBS still refuses to provide the transcript of the "60 Minutes" Kamala Harris interview.
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Quincy Jones, the music arranger who composed film scores and later produced what believe it or not became the best-selling album of all time, Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” has died at the age of 91.
yeah right, back to the 1850's ...
KAMALA BROKE IT, BUT I WILL FIX IT! With your VOTE, inflation will END. The border will be SAFE & SECURE. We will have PEACE across the globe. WITH YOUR VOTE, AMERICA WILL ENTER A NEW GOLDEN AGE! Vote TRUMP to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!.....Donald Trump
DONALD TRUMP WAS/IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING!
First gross lie.
Second gross lie.
How long will it take this time? Little was accomplished during his first term.
But will we have to learn to speak Russian, Chinese or Korean?
Fools gold/
America is the greatest nation, military and economy on the planet;
who are you trying to sell your bullshit to Donald?
I've been living in China for more than 18 years and I never learned more than some common words and phrases in Chinese, and no way could I possibly understand or carry on a conversation or be able to read or write even one word of the language.
I took Russian and German in HS.
I cannot imagine German with a Mandarin accent.
Now married to an American Mexican, I would have been much better off taking Spanish.
Damn, Buzz. You are trusting. Best of luck.
Well, there are two main reasons why I've been able to get by without knowing the language. First of all, many signs like street signs are in English as well as Chinese, and in the subway, trains, airplanes and their terminals signs and vocal announcements in them are in both languages, and in public buildings like hospitals, banks, government and police bureaus, signs are in both languages and people in authority speak English, As well, many educated people speak at least enough English to communicate, Secondly, I let my wife do the talking anyway.
Agreed.
That's the nonsense that was posted at the rally when he just stood there on stage and listened to music.
The usual propaganda.
How ridiculous.
...and he co-wrote and orchestrated "We Are the World", the charity anthem that united a chorus of the most popular musicians at the time, had the whole world singing, and donating.
I still recall it.
As can I.
I had a cousin who graduated from the Boston Conservatory of Music. He talked about Quincy Jones all the time.
My late sister-in-law graduated from the Boston Conservatory of Music. She was an opera singer, and I was originally mistaken in thinking it was Boston College but there is no way she would have gone to a Jesuit college, and due to her talent it HAD to have been the Conservatory.
Quincy Jones was a master craftsman.
That's what they say.
I will be glad when the election and Medicare enrollment is over. I made my choice on both but still have been bothered by ads, emails and phone calls about both. It is tiresome.
SOOOOOOOOOOO agree
You got that way right, I hate the Medicare Advantage cold calls. I probably get at least 6 per day.
You have to enroll on that do not call list.
I am only hounded by my carrier, lol.
Now snail mail is different, two thirds of that crap goes straight to the recycle bin.
The bride likes to open everything and complain.
I bring the mail in past the big cans and dispose of it without reading.
I love when I get those calls wanting to tell me how much I can save with a Medicare supplement. I let them do their spiel and then tell them I have Medicare A & B and Tricare for Life, that I pay zero out of pocket expenses for physician visits or hospitalizations, and get all prescriptions fill on base for free. I give them a few seconds for that to sink in and if they can top that and still want to talk to me about savings. 99% of the time I they say "Uh no, thank you for your time." And they hang up abruptly. The other 1% swear obscenities at me and hang up. I love it!
I tell them I am 99. They can't hang up quick enough
I have Medicare already so I also have only one choice to make tomorrow and my choice already is made on that one as well. I also am sick and tired by e-mails and ads and the political BS flyers in my mailbox, the vast majority of which are ones that immediately go into the circular file!
I wish mail in ballots and any early voting locations would give you a code which would activate after your ballot was collected and counted that, once entered into your streaming device of choice, would block all further political ads. You'd still get ads, just not the political ones. I think far more people would vote and vote early with that kind of incentive.
Just remember right wingers, if trump loses, it's the Jews fault.
If Trump loses, we will likely become a one-party authoritarian state.
No need to worry about anyone.
Sure Vic, because Harris has threatened to take over the country so many times LOL
Trump said YESTERDAY he shouldn't have left the WH in 2020. And who was it again that met with Victort Orban, is friends with Putin and fell in love with Kim Jong Un? Wasn't Harris!
Sorry, playing the, "I know you are but what am I" game is still childish.
maybe his 17 year long campaign to become a lawless dictator will finally be over ...
You know that's bullshit and it leads to the question of the electoral eve:
Why has the MAGA GoP adopted every losing strategy once the 'sacred' territory of the DNC?
I don't have a great concern around this if only Trump loses. However if the Democrats do sweep both chambers as well as the Oval Office this could become more of an issue. Harris as well as a handful of Democrats would love to scrap the filibuster and turn the Senate into a simple majority wins chamber. If that happens it would IMO be harmful to this country. Having one party rule everything with a simple majority vote is IMO a recipe for disaster.
And before any Democrats jump on this telling me just how wrong I am, how would you feel if it were Republicans who were doing this?
... uh, ... they're already trying.
this election, more than any other in our history, is a reflection of each voter's character, values, and patriotism ...
Just a deflection from what I posted. Any comments on the actual post?
And don't we hear election after election that 'This is the MOST consequential election ever!'.
Neither do I.
It's not likely. Polling suggests that Republicans will take the Senate with the barest of margins and the House is up for grabs.
With the rise of populism this would be tragic. I'm hoping the chambers just flip control this election. Either way the majorities would be razor thin.
You can't honestly tell me the Republicans wouldn't do the same to jam through their populist agenda if they had the power to do so.
... and usually the final pitch by republicans that it's doomsday and the end of the world if they aren't elected ...
I don't believe that Republicans have talked about it in the past, if you have information to show otherwise please share. It's been the Democrats lately that have stated the desire to do away with the filibuster but as it's out there it wouldn't surprise me to see Republicans also express a desire to do so should they be in a position to benefit from it. Very similar to the changes to approve Cabinet positions and then Judges & Justices, the Democrats make the change first and the Republicans when they come into power also do it for their desires.
If I had a wish, it would be to do away with all political parties and make everybody an Independent. IMO the party system has become too powerful and it's the parties that now rule this country.
They didn't in 2017. In fact, a majority signed a letter with the Democratic Caucus publicly promising not to touch the filibuster.
All of the Democrats except Manchin and Sinema reversed course and then voted for removing the filibuster when they had the majority.
I agree with you. I don't want one party rule whether it's Democrats or Republicans. What I want to see is both parties working together for the good of the country. Compromise may be a dirty word but it's the only way to get things done
Trump wanted it killed during his term. McConnel saved it from Trump, but McConnel is retiring. If the right wing populists take control there would be nothing in their way.
If I had a wish, it would be to make election day a national day off holiday and require the government to produce a series of PSAs to promote voting. It should be a celebration of our Democratic system, not a duty or a chore.
Kamala has offered a seat at the table to those who disagree with her. When do the republicans ever reach across the aisle?
KAMALA BROKE IT, BUT I WILL FIX IT! With your VOTE, inflation will END. The border will be SAFE & SECURE. We will have PEACE across the globe. WITH YOUR VOTE, AMERICA WILL ENTER A NEW GOLDEN AGE! Vote TRUMP to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!.....Donald Trump
It's been awhile
in addition to voting being a national holiday, I'd add a monetary incentive to vote. after all, we pay 535 people in DC $174K+ a year to vote for nonsense party posturing or to avoid voting entirely thru partisan shenanigans ...
a $100 gift card sent to the address in the name of the registered voter that voted as verified by each Sec of state.
yeah, that biden/harris administration has been a real roller coaster ... /s
I'd say a $20 gift card to TGIF if they hadn't just filed for bankruptcy. LOL
yikes, the one closest to me is a scary meat market for the last chance crowd at night ...
yeah, sometimes, back then, every one looks good at 2:00a.m., being blackout drunk didn't hurt
I'm glad drinking doesn't agree with me anymore. Far too many black outs back in the day.
Every time there is a triumvirate, the midterms seem to adjust that by flipping the House.
Whether it was intentional or not the FF created a pretty well balanced machinery except for SCOTUS.
Polls should be open as long as they are counting mail ins and overseas ballots.
Take it off the front end of early voting - they don't care.
These people want the extra income ( it' ain't much ) as well as the recognition in their communities
and of the one's we know, they are all retired and look forward to any election to get out of the house and meet people.
There ought to be one unified way to get to an accurate result by the same deadline nationwide.
I thought the election deniers made it so some states can't start counting mail in, drop off, and absentee ballots until the polls close, so they can complain about not getting the election results sooner ...
As an election worker, so presumably one of ‘these people’, I couldn’t care less about the minimum wage paid, could care even less about any recognition or getting out of the house.
I would never presume to speak for those I work alongside, but I would venture a guess every single one would consider it a civic duty, an opportunity to be a small part in the most precious tenet of our democracy, and to take the responsibility to ensure the integrity of each and every vote.
“As an election worker, so presumably one of ‘these people’,”
Scheduled to work from 4:00 till all eligible votes are tallied in our county tomorrow, so thankfully will miss all the histrionics hereabouts until I get home late.
The invective will be ineffective and certainly indigestible. The vote will be, as always, eventually proven indisputable. Thankfully.
Sorry, I certainly didn't mean it in a derogatory way, many of ours know us by name and vice versa. I personally think y'all should be entitled to a parking spot next to handicapped parking.
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Of course they would. That is the nature of the beast that is politics in DC for both sides. In many cases the only thing different is the party name.
And if Trump wins we will see continued whining from the left and more hoaxes from the Democrats. You know, kind of like we've seen since 2015,
oh goody, this time I'll be ready when the next maga torchlight parade happens ...
Be prepared to wait quite a while.
oh well, there will be plenty of maga with their hair on fire tomorrow ...
Or not. I'll wait until tomorrow.
What was that about maga with hair on fire?/s
An election ad for former President Donald Trump aired on NBC toward the end of the broadcast of NASCAR’s Xfinity 500 at Martinsville Speedway and the NFL’s coverage of the Minnesota Vikings-Indianapolis Colts game on Sunday night.
The ad started with “A special message from Donald J. Trump.”
Trump was seen with his “Make America Great Again” hat as he told viewers that electing Vice President Kamala Harris would bring along another “depression.”
He also told viewers to go out and vote with only a handful of hours left before Election Day comes and goes.
“We’re losing everything, including viability,” Trump said in the ad. “We’re going to end up in a depression based on what’s been happening. We’ve never seen anything like it, at least in the last 40 years.”
The appearance of the Republican presidential candidate appeared to be connected to Harris’ surprise appearance on “Saturday Night Live,” according to multiple reports.
NBC gives Trump free election ad airtime during NASCAR, NFL broadcasts after Harris 'SNL' furor
NBC is paying for their blatant bias.
Trump's Doom and Gloom spiel may have worked in 2016 but that shtick is as stale as his untanned skin.
Not to mention his old "if I lose it's because they cheated" schtick. He's been making that claim for over 20 years now.
Yes, Donald Trump Thought the Emmys Were Rigged Against Him
People who apparently like the past 4 years see no gloom.
It makes sense.
Take notes, you might look good woke.
By saying that the left liked the last 4 years?
The question is how many of those who suffered will vote?
No, the question is how many women (yikes, you let them?) will vote and a number circa 70% will not surprise me. Ann Coulter was right 20 years ago, y'all fucked up royally when the GoP fell sway to the squeaky squawkers of subservience to the sovereignty of sperm.
Women don't vote as one. I'm expecting the stable happy women to come out for Donald Trump.
The more progressive type fits into what I call the Jenifer Rubin category.
I'm sure they'll come out for Harris.
“I'm expecting the stable happy women to come out for Donald Trump.”
Re: those in subserviency?
Happy in their own skin and not bitter about some shit they learned at the university.
55% of white women voted for Republicans in 2022. Are they subservient? Not real women?
Why do men tell women how to vote and then call them subservient if they don't follow orders?
OMG....now you're gonna bitch about educated women?
Those who have been told that they are happy by their "masculine" dominating husband. You know, the ones that tell them who they want to vote for.
That's awesome and what the older republicans are so afraid of. You nailed it Hallux. Women of all ages, stable and very happy women, voting for Kamala.
... the domineered and brain washed to be 2nd class citizens women.
it kind of smells a bit like the justifications for slavery ...
the stable happy women
makes me want to gag. Makes me want to call it what it really is but it will hurt someone's feelings
take the high road, it's best not to start anything ...
Nobody should be drinking cool aid.
Question your professors, question what you read on social media and even what you see on the news.
Number one: turn off CBS News and its misinformation
There are many educated women that I'm fond of.
Why would you say that?
This is a turn about. It's usually me talking you off the ledge
Dev told me not to start anything. So I'm not saying anything more to you today
That's funny.
I know right?
In what universities did they obtain their degrees?
trump u, 2 degree programs for women, home economics and DIY self birthing at home ... /s
Yikes .. Shirley you are not in support of the Harris ad where women go against their master's desire.....? Talk about desperation .. by far the most pathetic mindless misogynistically degrading piece of trash political ad I have ever seen!
No wonder men are leaving the party of (D) .... the party is viewing them as toxic predators with no minds of their own if they do not vote Harris! Obama (an individual I respected) made it okay to say if you don't vote for Harris, you are a sexist pig ... quite sad really that this is American politics in 2024!
Peace my friend .. hope you are well and your boyz are thriving... : )
What ads are you watching?
Miss you occasionally calling me out on the carpet. So glad to see you out and about. Life is good, the world and its turbulence notwithstanding.
Peace as always to you and yours.
Hard to believe you haven't seen it
A fool being considered for a position in a new Trump administration recently implied women should lose the right to vote. He claims it was a joke. Do you see people in the mood for such joking right now?
We all saw it. Newt Gringrich went all ICBM at Julia Roberts for narrating it
Of course I've fucking seen it.
Doesn't seem to be the same one that most republicans are getting their panties into a bunch over.
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You asked, I provided. Why ask? The explanation given was perfectly clear as to which ad.
Master's desire? Please tell me that was said tongue in cheek
The ad was anything but how you described it. It was simply 2 women casting their ballots with one women telling her husband she voted the right way. She doesn't have to vote the way he tells her and she doesn't have to tell him who she voted for. I don't think men are leaving the Dem party in droves because of this. If anything, it;'s bringing more men back to the party because there are men out there who worry about how their mothers, wives, and daughters are treated.
But I wasn't fucking talking to YOU.
I have zero respect for any woman who would vote for that traitor.
“…there are men out there who worry about how their mothers, wives, and daughters are treated.”
And this fundamental, familial connection should never, ever be politicized. Just my opinion.
So the left figured out what a woman is?
So happy to hear you are well .. I may not be here often (I had to drop out .. it is a principles thing [snicker] : ) .... yet I think of you often .. and Repo.. he hit me up this morning after he voted - Just Jim seems to have disowned me .. lol
Nuh uh. Still love ya.
How very forward thinking of you - thank god a Harris ad let women know that .... women do not need to be told they have minds of their own - the ad is condescending
Most men are not socialpaths .. of course they care about the treatment of their mothers, wives and daughters' .. how is that in any way exclusive to the party of (D)?
Just don't tell me how to vote! : )
Early and often?
I don't see the ad being condescending at all. I think some people are getting their panties in a bunch about an ad confirming women's right to vote and to vote as they please. I also think the ad upsets people because they show the one woman voting for Harris. There are some articles on there with men having complete conniptions about this ad with one hysterical man crying "what else has my wife lied to me about"
Odd, seems to me the ad was not telling women they can think for themselves but rather reminding (and in some cases informing) women that even if voting differently from their spouse would cause family tensions, their vote is private and they can thus vote as they see fit. It presumes they think for themselves and encourages them to vote accordingly.
I saw ads informing us that we can vote early. Is that condescending? I see ads reminding us to vote today. Most everyone knows that today is election day. Is that condescending?
Of course, but there are still quite a few dominant spouses. There are men who believe their wives should vote how they vote. This has cultural (and religious) roots given that women initially could not vote and that men since women's suffrage have continued, culturally, to operate as the 'heads of household'. Although it is not right, we should not deny the reality that women are still not entirely independent (culturally and religiously). That is, there are still women who defer to their husbands.
Given that, I think it makes sense to remind (and in some cases inform) women with a domineering spouse (even if only with regards to voting) that there is a way to vote as she sees fit and not cause all sorts of problems at home.
Trump went in to vote shortly ago. That does not appear to be his wife with him.
Yes it is
Maybe, it sure as hell doesnt look like her.
the video is gone. Musk must have obejcted.
Better views
Or the person who posted it realized what a moronic douchebag he looked like and took it down himself.
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Greetings Colour Me! So glad to see you back, you've been missed. Hope things are going well in the big sky country up North.
That was deleted from X. You're probably correct.
No one is!
I don't care what anyone says, that not his whore... I mean, wife.
Always good to see you Ed .. I have to pop in from time to time and check on you guys : ) Things are good in the Norse lands.. Had a rude awakening at the start of the year - three weeks in the hospital - but I am back on top, feeling better than ever : )
Hope you are well .. I see you are as feisty as ever : )
Just Jim NC TttH in comment 4.1.50 provided a link conclusively proving it is her with video from that polling place showing her in the same dress without the sunglasses and actually speaking. But you still don't care what anyone says?
You and others calling her a whore and participating in making up stories like this are likely among the reasons why some people reluctantly voted for Trump. Thanks a lot MrFrost... /s
I saw a video where it definitely didnt look like her, which was weird to see. But a couple still shots did look like her, especially when she took the glasses off. Would I put it past Trump to bring out an actress to play his wife if needed? No, I wouldnt. But I think it was her.
Oh please. the right called the actual Democratic candidate a whore.
Which is worse? Calling an actual candidate a whore, or an innocent family member?
Innocent family member
Sure - some did, and that was awful too. But weren't we to believe based on all the political hype that "the left" was better than that? The hateful remarks, condescension, and contempt directed at conservative or Republican women like Melania or Tulsi Gabbard, or Nikki Haley, and many others certainly happened. It is often the hypocrisy that turns people off, and not just on this subject. It was partially what soured me on voting for Harris/Walz, but there was no way in hell I was going to vote for Trump given his comments and some of his follower's attitudes toward women and their hypocrisy as well.
You always seem , to me at least, to be more soured on the left than you are on the right. It is what it is I guess, as it is with all of us.
Maybe he is a true independent, unlike others here who tend to criticize the left with one sentence, then go on a three paragraph rant about why they don't like the right.
Well I was a shit ton closer to voting for Harris than I was for Trump...
Agreed.
allright.
Either way it is false and counterproductive.
flip a coin
... while FOX is uncharacteristically silent.
Fox has nothing to do with SNL.
How you got Fox into this I'll never know.
I guess I don't recall all of the call-ins, and personal appearances by kamala on FOX compared to trump ...
where were the torches and pitchforks when nixon was on laugh in back in the 60's?
Still comparing apples to oranges.
An interview is not like a free campaign ad on the eve of an election.
NBC violated a rule, and they did it knowing they won't face any penalty before the election.
Hilarious - I heard Kamala broke 'the equal time rule' for presidential candidates??
How unfair!
While the former 'president' traitor is on view 24/7/365
When is the former 'president' going to sue NBC?
When will Trump sue NBC? Oh, I don't know. But, probably
as soon as the former 'president' gets to FCI Terre Haute...
There will surely be jail house lawyers to file suits for DJT!
I thought I heard he filed a $10 billion lawsuit against NBC over it, and then was fund raising online about it ...
that sounds more like the maga candidate to me ...
"NBC is paying for their blatant bias."
Not nearly enough.
If the latest poll out of IOWA is an indicator we may well be looking at Harris winning easily.
That poll has to be an outlier. Another poll has him up by 10 in Iowa:
Trump ahead of Harris in Iowa in new Emerson College poll
It could be but the lady who runs it has quite an on the nose record with predictions. Come Wednesday she may surpass Silver in fame.
Pro Harris polls good, Pro trump polls wrong.
Do you really think Harris will take Iowa?
Is that your prediction?
All that being said, Iowa is reliably Trump territory.
I have stated innumerable times on this forum that I do not play fool's games; the public has always been an abstraction spinning on a two-headed dime.
That's right.
And I doubt we'll be having anyone doing an election night live seed either.
Surely not I, but someone will ... if only to needle you.
I think the last time they tried that was during the Biden-Trump debate.
You might note that I went on their seed made my observations about the debate and thanked them for going to all the trouble.
You are truly worthy of a Dollarama trophy
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I voted early....
I was inline when my polling place opened.
I voted at 6:40 this morning.
I voted at 8:30 AM today. Waited in line for 15 minutes and the deed was done. But then again that's a advantage to a small rural community town
The entire township that I live in has one polling place. I walked in, gave my name, got my Ballot, filled it out, put it through the machine, peeled off an "I voted" sticker and was out the door inside of five minutes.
When I was a kid they would have a big turkey dinner and everyone would go downstairs to meet and eat. The last one of those was some time ago.
The last week of polling has not gone super well for Trump. The last Iowa poll shows Harris at +3
Normally I would chalk this up as a single aberrant poll, but too many of the recent polls across many states are showing a last minute shift to Harris. I really don't think Harris is going to take Iowa, but it looks like Harris could take the blue wall swing states, thought The NY Times has both Michigan and Pennsylvania in a tie.
This is my prediction map...
AGAIN:
Trump ahead of Harris in Iowa in new Emerson College poll
Ok so I also have you down as thinking Harris will take Iowa.
Interesting.
Do you ever read other people's posts? I said the very opposite.
I know. I just went through it with Brat. How do we have polls so opposite taken on the same day?
Was that you Kamala?
To understand that, one would have to pour over the minutia of each pollster. The number of people asked, the questions asked, how the polling was preformed...ect. Both the Sienna and Emerson polling is usually pretty good.
I agree.
One thing they seem to agree on is the closeness of this election. I go right back to the Priebus bellwether. He ran the ground game for Trump in the 2016 election.
I think Virginia will tell us more than the pollsters.
Emerson was the same day and had Trump +10.
Which is why I said I don't think she'll win Iowa.
I doubt the modern polling is random anymore. I think of Iowa the same way I think of Illinois. It is usually painted in before the election.
shouldn't you wait for the official prompt before claiming a rigged election?
And when did I do that?
toeing the line here, but let me know when you want to see a lot more ...
1) that isn't close to calling it rigged. It is simply a fact.
2) Who made the rule that PA early ballots can't be counted until election day?
Per 538's average of polls, Harris has a .9% lead, which should translate into a Trump win because of how many millions of excess votes Harris runs up in blue states like California, New York and Illinois. But the individual state battleground polls are all pretty favorable for Harris as well. I doubt both can be correct. In 2016, the battleground state polls were all biased towards Hillary. Maybe that's happening again.
But I'm betting on Harris right now. elections come down to who people like more and she's ahead by about 3 points on favorability and favorability is what drives the low frequency, low information/ late decider on whether/how to vote. The late switch out and hiding her from the public up until the end made it harder for Trump's attacks to gain as much traction as they would over the course of a normal campaign. Trump's 44% approval is just a tough number to overcome. Biden's is at 40%. Harris has been able to separate herself enough from Biden among low information voters enough that I think she wins a close one.
It will come down to Pennsylvania and North Carolina. If Trump can win those two he wins. I just don't think he can win Pennsylvania. Too many precincts in Philly can deliver 100% margins to Harris like they did for Obama in 2012.
Considering the stakes here, that is really sad to hear.
I just don't think he can win Pennsylvania.
I agree that he must win PA.
It's very depressing when you hear the rationale behind the vote of the low information/low frequency voter who actually decide elections.
It's why lying about firing squads and screaming Nazi Nazi Nazi the last week can make a difference. Some people actually believe the talking points they just hear.
Topped off by Obama repeating the "fine people" lie.
I'm hoping the people know that they've been lied to.
They've been playing the hits.
What do you know about the timeline of Trump's comments at the time of and in the days after "Charlottesville"? I know you know nothing because I explained it all to you months ago and evidently you have forgotten.
One more thing , there were no "fine people" on both sides at Charlottesville. It was a white supremacist rally and none of the people on that side were fine people.
But without the "joy."
'It was a white supremacist rally and none of the people on that side were fine people.'
Sounds like the Madison Square Garden 'rally'
We do, for four years now - just with this election alone, the incitement for more than four years now
I'd say most of maga is way beyond that kind of rehabilitation ...
That is correct.
See post 7.1.7 above.
'the incitement for more than four years now'
MORE than four years now - I forgot to include the incitement after he lost in 2020 - while he continues to incite. Thank goodness today is Election Day and it will be all over with for the most part soon.
At long last, far far too long, America may have had enough of Donald Trump. If he loses his MSG rally near the end of the campaign will have been the turning point. After that momentum and public opinion shifted to Harris as people began to experience the feelings of the British colonel who betrays his values in Bridge Over The River Kwai who realizes "what have I done?"
As someone famous said: It might be best to leave movies to those who understand them.
Do you think Trump has ever watched Young Mr. Lincoln?
I have no idea and why on earth would that be important?
Everything goes over your head.
I dont know why people waste their time.
All I know is both those men loved America.
Have a good one.
trmp does not love America. He only loves himself
I found A Face in the Crowd as a fascinating movie that is still relevant today. Amazingly it was Andy Griffith's first movie and Patricia Neal is always very good. One of Kazan's best:
trump loves trump
should be a bumper sticker
nationally revered statesman versus convicted felon ...
He loves the Benjamins!
Lincoln wasn't revered during his time.
Oh, that solves it.
especially by unamerican white supremacists, that all deserved a mini-ball in the brain and a shallow grave, not amnesty ...
I think most have had enough of the left crying about Donald Trump. The fiction coming from the left stopped being funny years ago. Now it's just pathetic.
Instead of the liberal left whining about the big orange bad man, they should have concentrated on coming up with somebody better on their side, but saddled us with Biden and Harris instead and failed big time.
The democrats would have been better off picking the guy that finished second to Biden in the primary, instead of appointing a candidate. Kamala is just not likable in a popularity contest where that matters.
Read a story on line just a few minutes ago that as a veteran made my blood boil. It was about a USMC veteran who was murdered in cold blood on a highway in Mexico while working there a little over a week ago. His grieving and distraught parents pleaded for help from the Biden administration but Biden has refused to answer them at all. They went to a Harris rally in Phoenix to try to see Kamala Harris but were turned away being told the venue was full by Harris staffers. They then tried to contact Waltz hoping that as a veteran himself he could help them. The parents recieved zero word from either Harris or Waltz while being told by the campaign that they were just too busy. The Marine's uncle contacted the Trump campaigne and the family ultimately met with both Trump and Vance who each took 15 minutes out of their schedules to meet with the grieving family. This story cemented my choice for president. How the liberal left can even think Harris could be Commander in Chief and be qualified to run this country is beyond me after pretty much spitting in the face of that poor family. Especially Waltz! That is even more disgusting.
Given the results of yesterday, the "Orange man bad" shrieking will now continue. They won't realize they installed the worst possible candidate.
I think their choice of Harris was that, given she was part of the Biden admin, she would continue with what they were doing. Then when asked about those failing policies, she spewed her word salads and demonstrated a lack of decision making abilities. She was in over her head.
FOX still refuses to provide the transcript and edited footage of trump's barbershop interview ...
Apples to oranges?
if you're confused by the comparison, I would urge you to interact with any one of those that voted up my comment.
Lol. In due time.
It feels like democrats are spiking the football before reaching the end zone.
If you look closely, you'll note they are a little concerned.
... and on the other side more than a little resigned. If he loses I expect the few remaining election sages in the GoP to have him flayed, drawn and quartered the gool ol' fashioned way for his hubristic idiocy that may prove to be his demise. The public abstraction has caught up to his shtick and appear to be exhausted with it.
my favorite part of trump's loss will be the inevitable assignment of blame landing upon xtian nationalists ...
but hey, look at the bright side thumpers, 2 millennium was a pretty good run for a musical fairytale fantasy ...
If he loses there won't be a GOP.
Harris will begin a five-year plan for the country.
'If he loses there won't be a GOP.'
No loss. It's nothing but a freakshow/shitshow now.
Oh dear, better have a uniform tailored for her or she could just borrow the one Obama's foes liked to depict on him. Or ... seeing as she's been enticing real republicans to join her maybe Stevie Bannon will join up with all of his Trotskyist fans, they're one and all big on 5-whatevers.
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yeah, she'll adopt project 2025 and change the words from republican to democrat and conservative to progressive, and it'll be the xtian nationalists and election deniers occupying the detention camps and getting deported ... /s
Keep your sectual fantacies to yourself. Now excuse me, along with my fellow Canucks we still have several dead-red states to vote in dead and/or alive (both being preferable).
Project 2025 is what frightens the deep blue state and Kamala is what reassures it.
Maybe she still has her McDonalds apron.
And no democracy.
No loss. Nothing but a freak/shit show.
Democracy will be quite fine once that freakshow shitshow former 'president' loses.
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Hate and impotence won. I think I hate his enablers supporters just as much as I hate that scumbag cockroach 'president'.
The only thing we know for certain about this election is that on Wednesday Democrats go nuts. If Harris wins, Democrats will be on a retribution ride demanding justice. If Harris loses, Democrats will be hold recrimination rallies blaming anything and everything except themselves. Either way, Democrats are destined to go nuts on Wednesday.
Republican reaction is difficult to predict. We know they'll have to get up and go to work, like any other day. In the end it may not matter since the media will focus attention on Democrats. The only Republican reaction that will get press coverage will serve to either satisfy Democrats' retribution or assuage Democrats' recriminations. The press will be cashing in on disunity; they really did all they could to divide the country in preparation for the payday after the election.
The real fun won't begin until January 21, 2025. A Trump inauguration will drive Democrats and their domestic and foreign sycophants crazy. A Harris inauguration will bring out hoards of political spinners, like cockroaches, to clean up after her. No matter who wins, Democrats are going to be consumed by regrets, scapegoating, gaslighting, infighting, backbiting, and overall politics as usual for Democrats.
... uh, you're describing the trump campaign, revenge and retribution, by his own words ...
And so it begins ...
The endless PD&D plus defense of the indefensible.
... and it ends a lot sooner than you think.
So ... the bright light in all of this is you won't be happy. Oh darn, I just may have to overdose on a fine Uisce Beatha.
Why is it all about me? I'm not Lazarus Long.
The problem is that Democrats haven't found a Leibowitz for their canticle. That's not my doing. It doesn't require a crystal ball to predict that Democrats won't be happy until no one is happy. After all, the midterm elections really do begin on Nov. 6th. And Democrats really are going to prime the press in preparation for the next all important election.
I thought we were all supposed to self medicate on legal weed. Whiskey is so last century.
So is my liver. Cheers!
Cuz you sound like the other guy who it's all about ... glum.
To those on flights today:
Use caution the crazy radicals are out there:
newsflash : maga flyer exhibits thinner skin than commercial jet airliner ...
And yet it was the miserable intolerant bitch who got tossed......Hysterical. the people at the funeral she was going to probably celebrated her absence.
"Oh the humanity!"
(apol. to Herb Morrison)
Anecdotal evidence aplenty, thanks to the musky venue.
A whole, unholy world where one can access and can pass along any sort of ‘information’, conveniently devoid of individual thought.
Kamala to a T
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“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.”
Kierkegaard
And in North Carolina:
I always liked Andy Griffith. He loved small town America and the people who lived there.
The narrator there is so right. Just a regular guy who knows right from wrong.
59 Harris /Walz signs , stolen from a Springfield neighborhood, are n…
As if Trump supporters dont attack and steal Harris signage etc.
Is this how you are spending your last comments before the election?
Harris signs pilfered from around 30 Tree Streets homes
Oct 24, 2024 · Kate McCusker plants a replacement Harris -Walz sign on West Locust Street in Johnson City, Tenn. Oct. 24, 2024 to replace one stolen from her yard the night before. (Photo: …
Harris -Walz campaign signs stolen , homes vandalized in Oneida …
Oct 15, 2024 · The Oneida County Democratic Committee has received multiple reports of Harris -Walz and other Democratic campaign signs being stolen around the county, along with instances of property damage at ...
I created a local stir on craigslist's rants and raves way back during the obama terms by offering to buy mcain and romney yard signs, and then claiming to sell them back to the campaigns. the impotent tea party death threats were hilarious ...
like it or not, spittle spewing vitriol in american politics is an american tradition ...
I thought this was hilarious.
Was sitting at my kitchen table a little while ago eating a sandwich and noticed a magazine of my daughters called scary facts. She saw me looking at it and said I should read it. I told her I had enough other scary things to read. I told her tomorrow is election day and that what was on the news online was scary enough...
MICKEY ROURKE
oh yeah, mickey pretty much sums it all up ...
I guess it should be noted that Rourke made these comments in a previous election cycle, but he still has the same viewpoint.
I'm sure he's much more restrained this election cycle ...
Not really. He recently told an interview that he was visited by the Secret Service because of something he was thinking about Trump.
Really?!!! I don't like Trump either but are you really getting behind the words of a wife abuser like Mickey Rourke? When did you become a fan of the tough guy toxically masculine dudes who talk like that?
At least one DUI, alcohol and drug abuse, reckless driving, resisting arrest, sounds like a peach of a guy.
This afternoon the Wall St Journal called for Trump to be pardoned on the first day of the new administration, no matter who wins.
Trump's final message of the 2024 campaign is that he was "totally exonerated" by the Mueller Report. I shit you not.
Dixville Notch reports in:
Officials announced the first result of this election — in a small New Hampshire hamlet — 12 minutes after midnight. Trump and Harris tied with 3 votes each!
Midnight Vote in Dixville Notch Ends in a Trump-Harris Tie - The New York Times
Breaking:
A Pennsylvania judge ruled that Elon Musk’s election sweepstakes, which gave some voters a chance to win $1 million, obviously, did not violate any law.
Question of the day:
Which news outlet will you watch to get election results?
Probably a Castle re-run or something I have recorded.
Very good!
PBS, fewer cheerleaders. MSNBC's Kornacki is irritating. CNN has been out to lunch since 9-11 and FOX has had understandable stage fright ever since 2020.
FOX, I love watching slapstick, especially when willfully ignorant morons get the rugs yanked from under their feet ...
CNN's homepage headline right now :
And CNN has been one of the leaders in disinformation.
the loudest source of disinformation will abruptly end in about 3 weeks when trump is remanded into custody ...
Not gonna happen.
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Oprah to women voters: If you don't elect Kamala, you will lose voting rights:
Oprah Winfrey warns that not voting for Harris could mean never being able to ‘cast a ballot again’
They must think women are stupid.
The former 'president' traitor said so himself. 'Vote for me and you'll never have to vote again.'
They are.
BREAKING: Assistant County Manager Zach Schira has confirmed the full election results might take a few days to announce after Election Day in Maricopa County, AZ He says the candidates ahead might change after Election Night after days of counting and that it’s “normal.”
With that I'll call it a day.
This country will still be deeply divided and angry no matter who wins
Unfortunately very true. I don't see either candidate as being a uniter should they win and the partisan divide is just too deep to get over quickly. I have hopes that it can someday be bridged but I think that will take a very long time. I can only hope that no matter who wins, the losing side doesn't take to rioting and destroying property.
The only benefit from this election that I can see is that we will at least get a short break before they start campaigning for the mid-terms.
It will only happen if politicians grow a spine and call out the the populist crazy in their own parties.
Unfortunately we know the odds of that happening.
Slim to none and slim just left town.
“Unfortunately we know the odds of that happening.”
Not until a new generation of voters choose to leave the dysfunction behind and elect a new generation of leaders, as ours has left a wake of division and distrust. Hopefully apathy will not be the outcome that defines our legacy.
Read an interesting opinion article this morning, was wondering if it might help to bridge the divide in the country. The opinion was that should Harris win, she should issue a pardon for Trump. The idea is that might take some of the heat off of his hard-core followers and allow tensions to lessen. What are your thoughts on that?
The only way that would achieve the intended purpose is if Trump and MAGA do not claim the election was stolen. If they remain quiet through the inauguration, I think it might be worth consideration.
But neither Trump nor his followers will be quiet so there's no chance she pardons him.
“The idea is that might take some of the heat off of his hard-core followers and allow tensions to lessen.”
When Ford pardoned Nixon, Nixon had already resigned signally at least a modicum of contrition. Nixon did not have any sort of popular support that trump enjoys, making the pardon more a healing in terms of the office than the personality.
Should trump lose, accept defeat sans any litigation, and issue a formal statement encouraging his supporters to accept the results, then and only then should a possible pardon be considered. A lot of things to come before this is done, but to answer your query, it may be a possibility when adults are in the room.
Again, just my opinion.
fuck that. trump should be thankful there won't be 9 rifles involved in any of the punishment he so richly deserves ...
Amen to that.
Yeah, 1/6 was no biggie, right?
And you're still gloating over the traitor's win.
And it starts:
https://thefederalist.com/2024/11/05/republican-poll-watchers-blocked-from-duty-in-multiple-pennsylvania-counties/
"Big protest in D.C. on January 6th, Be there, will be wild!"
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THE PROJECTION.
Trump doesnt even need to make a new tweet , just copy and paste the one from 2020. The electoral college certfication in Congress is on Jan 6 again.
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Judge extend voting until 10pm because of software issues in Pennsylvania? 2 fucking years and they just didn't bother testing it until today? whoever is in charge needs to be fired.
In Cambria County there were issues with the scanners taking a long time to record the vote. A judge extended the Cambria County polls to 10PM.
In Bedford County, Poll workers reported that several Vote tabulators needed to be attended to by IT people and there was no delay to voting.
Maybe the New York Post should look at whoever blew these issues out of context ? Looks like the poll workers did what was needed.
Sigh....... Election security updates: Voting hours extended in Pennsylvania county - ABC News
That is an ignorant comment, the poll workers aren't the ones who should verify that the equipment works before election day.
How so? Poll workers are exactly the people who should check equipment before the doors open. The equipment was reported and collected for repair and replaced.
Tabulators aren't used until the polls close....
Sigh....but continue with the shade.
Then there is this:
Reality must be so hard to handle for them.
The value of shares in Trumps media company just plunged
Kamala pretends to talk to a voter on the phone accidently shows she's on the camera app.
Between this and the multiple takes last night to stage a successful door to door campaign visit, she can't even act like an actual politician, which is her only job. Even being a puppet seems to much to ask.
Who will protect the men from their abusive spouses?
"I have guys come up to me and say, 'I really have no choice. My girlfriend will kill me. My wife will kill me if I don't vote for Kamala Harris.'"
Sen. Booker
I guess Republicans should have run commercials saying it's okay for men to vote Republican secretly because the crazy, abusive women in their life won't know..
Trump is currently a 4/5 favorite with Kamala a 11/10 underdog. the only one you can be sure will win is the house.
The online bookie I've been watching has kept Kamala at +135 since the polls opened. None of the reported turnout numbers has moved the needle.
Slight movement towards Trump after exit polls..
odds Harris winning popular vote +electoral college went from +135 to +140.
Odd now +155 for Harris to win popular and electoral....
As I said the other day, in horseracing 11/10 underdogs beat 4/5 favorites every day.
But the 4/5 favorites win more often. That is why they are the favorites.
First preliminary NBC exit polls just released - number one issue for voters was the state of democracy.
The economy was a close second.
Interesting that democracy was the most important issue to Democratic voters. Seems like that was the issue that resonated.
Abortion is about as 1/2 as important as it was to the electorate in 2022. Immigration is twice as important as it was in 2022. Harris only leads by 6% on who is trusted more on abortion...All of those millions for a 6 point advantage. ouch.
If Trump wins, it will be because only 26% of the country is satisfied with the state of the US.
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CBS is reporting that Trump is going to declare victory before the results are clear. Of course. Because he's a huge liar and believes in cheating as a strategy. Republicans in the House will object to certification if Trump loses because they're also enormous cheaters.
No surprise there.
Since Democrats have objected to certification every time they lost this century, and will doubtless do so again, I guess they are in same boat.
False! The Republican candidate for President has only won the popular vote once since 1988. That was in 2004 which was only once this century. Democrats didn't challenge Bush's win in 2004!
Lol. don't you remember how diebold stole Ohio for Bush?
Go back and re-read 36.2. It never said anything about the popular vote. Your declaration of 'false' is wrong as the Democrats did indeed object to certification every time they lost the presidential election.
Simply not true.
Technically Sean was right when he said "this century" as Dems objected in 2000, 2004 and 2016.
Republicans objected in 2008, 2012 and 2020, hence both sides do it.
Just before midnight PST CBS reporting 266 electoral votes for Trump and Wisconsin leaning to Trump. Trump gave a speech in Florida, essentially claiming victory, which unfortunately looks like a certainty. Not sure how that would be “cheating” hours after all polls had closed, but I understand your concern.
Gender profile of voters same as 2016.
Which IMO proves my theory of how Kamala Harris can lose.
Yes, women can think for themselves and not be led like robots.
Much earlier night than I expected. hell, I thought Harris would win narrowly.
trump wins.
Much earlier night than I expected. hell, I thought Harris would win narrowly.
trump wins.
It was exciting!
And harris couldn't even come out for her supporters.