The left's "Maryland Man" hoax torn to shreds
The leftwing media has been calling him a "Maryland man" or a Maryland dad." Yesterday facts about the man were finally released. It appears that the radical left may have walked into a trap.
Homeland Security says that he is a verified member of MS-13 and he has been accused of beating his wife. You see, Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an illegal alien who happens to be an El Salvadoran citizen. Senator Chris Van Hollen still doesn't seem to get that. He flew down to El Salvador yesterday to pull a political stunt that backfired when El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele told him that Garcia was a criminal who would remain in an El Salvadoran prison. Sen Van Hollen would not be allowed to speak to him, nor did President Bukele have time for Sen Van Hollen.
Later the same day the DOJ released evidence of Garcia's gang involvement:
Later came this from the state of Maryland:
Thus, another hoax has been demolished. The cherry on top was when the WH Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt had the mother of Rachel Moren speak to the dishonest media and more importantly to the American people:
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Today's big story involves the illegal migrant whom the Associated Press insists is a "Maryland man."
This guy:
The dishonest media's coverage thus far:
The Garcia case is not only about Garcia the individual; it is about fundamental rule of law issues. It deals with the right of due process ... something that should be critically important to all who live here. It also deals with constitutional limits on the Executive branch and the efficacy of checks & balances.
Good morning. Is this better Vic?
Much better. From now on, that is how you come to work.
Yes, dress like you’re about to be laid in a casket - to symbolize what you’ve done to your brand.
Is that some kind of a threat?
.
You can only wish...
I wouldn't mind getting laid in a casket...
I wouldnt recommend it , not much room .
and thats all i will say about that .
The left sure does pick strange heros
And they think they are going to win the midterms.
He is preparing to return .... embarrassed & empty handed.
Question: Are taxpayers on the hook for these flights?
Maybe a leftist will set up a gofundme account s/ so we the taxpayers are not on the hook to pay for this failure, in which we knew was going to happen before it happened.
They got half a million already for the kid who stabbed another young man through the heart at a football game.
It seems you need to be from a certain group.
He sure as shit isn’t paying for them out of his own pocket
Hopefully after this little stunt the people in his district won't elect him again and we won't have to pay for anymore trips to friendly central American countries.
Don’t hold your breath. Lots of liberal dimbulbs in his district I’m sure.
"The left sure does pick strange heros"
And they seem to be on the wrong side of every 80/20 issue.
Statistically speaking you would think it is almost impossible for them to be wrong all the time on these issues. But here we are.
Yep... LOL
Trump sent someone to prison in another country who has not been convicted or even charged with a crime. That is the issue.
The fact that far right wingers like the author of this article dont understand that should enrage everyone.
The issue is that 20 million people cannot all get due process even if we tried to give it to them.
If you send people to prison without due process you are a tyrant. Get that through your thick skull. And dont say Trump doesnt know these people are being directly sent to a prison in El Salvador.
If you deliberately overwhelm the system to keep 20 million illegals in the country, you are a TRAITOR. "You" referring to BIDEN.
You have no reasonable argument to make as to why people who have not been charged with a crime are being deliberately sent to a dungeon in El Salvador.
The reasonable argument you were given:
Is everyone entitled to due process? Answer YES
If 20 million illegal migrants all demand due process, can they get it? Answer NO
That had to have been figured in when the radicals who called the shots around Biden opened the southern border.
Therefore, the President is taking emergency measures to keep Americans safe.
It's much better to just murder them by drone strike.
Did all those innocent bystanders on J6 get due process? Looks like the Biden administration were a bunch of tyrants
Biden let them all in without any vetting or processing, Trump should be able to get them out the same way.
Coming to this country illegally is a crime. The Trump administration should show them the same door going out as they came in.
These illegals decided to forego due process when they entered the country. And the Democrats and the left supported it.
Now, using that same logic, they can forego due process on their way out. And the Democrats and the left can STFU. This is what they supported.
Um, yes. Next?
Well, you had better start working on it, because the Constitution requires due process.
Yes, probably hundreds of hours more than they deserved.
Wow, Trump is powerful.
He sent someone home and his HOME put him in prison.
Sorry, not everybody falls for the left wing hoaxes any more. But, please, keep spewing them. It's pretty fun to see what the next "Freak out of the Day" will be.
The republican war on people with brown skin continues.
That card has been played too often only to find out the things the left feel everyone should be enraged over is just made up outrage.
One last message for Sen Chris Van Hollenn: Don't come back ... I'm busy.
Nice to see your standing with the Dictators.
How is his standing with them? Do you know?
Good? Bad?
Because he is not sending one of his own citizen criminals back to the US?
She got what she wanted. He was returned home.
LMAO! I love it!
It turns out he was a wife beater and abuser also.
Who? Hegseth? Yeah, we know. Why are you bringing Hegseth up? Hasn’t he been rewarded enough for beating his wife?
Stop repeating lies and hearsay about Hegseth. Directly from his ex wife who was “allegedly” abused:
sounds a little shaky
No more so than a former sister in-law with God knows what mental malfunction …
And the left was dead silent about those facts. Wonder why.
Pete’s mommy says otherwise, admittedly and on record.
Hold on to that. The woman it allegedly happened to denies it ever happened.
You are once again …. grasping at straws.
Yep....pretty much sums it up.
That’s why he beats them - to keep their mouths shut. He’s an alcoholic wife beater than runs corporations into the ground and chats about active war plans on commercial chat apps without even looking to see who he is chatting with. Perfect candidate for Trump’s cabinet.
Funny how you keep wanting to divert to Pete. Show you have nothing on topic to add.
See 7.2.8
So is trump and you seem to be fine with it.
Funny how you guys try to apply hypocrisy in every situation regardless of applicability, but when you get called out for displaying your own flagrantly blatant hypocrisy you deflect deflect deflect. Must be part of your coding.
You are deflecting again.
JUST IN: Rep. Elise Stefanik considers run for governor of New York.
Rep. Elise Stefanik is considering a run for New York governor
That would be good news for all New Yorkers so I am sure she will lose.
What's her platform? "I lie constantly and I hate brown people"? Should go great.
Actually many of those same folks you mentioned flocked to Trump rather than vote for Kamel breath.
I don't think she's running on the Biden platform.
Illegal immigrants have been coming to America as long as any of us have been alive. The notorious gangster now in prison in El Salvador entered the US during Trump's first term.
So what?
Illegal is illegal.
What part of that is so hard to understand?
and in Trump's second term he out of the USA and some other country is spending money to freed him.
The biggest question is why you support a member of a terrorist organization who is also ia wife beater
The fact that Trump might be right about something is too much for some to bear.
Oh yeah, the cheese teeters precariously on many of their crackers but that would knock it off completely. Never to return.
The trump admin admitted they fucked up, but they are too fucking retarded to fix it... Wow... LOL
I have been sort of watching this situation . if what i have read is true , this gentleman is a Salvadorian citizen , His rendition back to El Salvador , pretty much puts him outside the US judicial system and jurisdiction , unless he gets extradited back . I dont see that country sending him back.
he rightly falls under the jurisdiction of his home country , for them to judicially do as they see fit within their laws just by being there and the US judicial system or government has no say in the matter .
For some reason , this comes to mind, someone stepped over a dollar to pick up a dime .
bear with me here , someone in stead of prosecuting and likely getting a conviction , opted for the quick deportation , forgoing a trial . they went for the easy get, once gone is also outside US jurisdiction , so yeah a fuck up that worked in this guys favor if one looks at it from a certain point of view .
That is something the left can't seem to wrap their heads around. The Democrats were even dumb enough to have a member go to El Salvador to pathetically beg to see the prisoner.
The mistake was not the deportation it was deportation into that prison. It is up to the President of El Salvador. It is after all one of his citizens.
The mistake was his and his alone.
Entering the USA illegally.
He started all this by doing so. It’s all on him.
100%
You are correct, he should be released then deported to Somalia.....done.
I don't think that he has done anything in El Salvador, either, so they have no reason to hold him. That never stopped a dictator, and Trump is just learning.
I tend to agree he likely hasnt done anything in his nation of origin , but there are too many unknowns really .
i say that because look what happened to another famous "deportee". remember the bald headed Venezuelan kid who was on social media hyping "squatting and collecting benefits ? last i read he was sent back , and the government there had a "discussion " about how he presented his countrymen in a "bad " light to the world , and the government was charging him last i read a month or so ago.
we plebs cant know all the laws everywhere in the world and how they are enforced .
The whole world does not operate on just US laws and our small perceptions of how things should work .
One mistake was deportation to El Salvador. That expressly violated his withholding of removal granted in 2019.
A larger mistake was denying due process to all those deported. That violates the CotUS.
Trump does not care about the constitution (or the rule of law). Do his (remaining) supporters care?
Due process: It is not optional.
He had been living in this country, not another. Every person in the country has rights so the government cannot just yank them off the streets and make them disappear. That is the whole point. The rule of law, the Constitution, and due process.
different people will have different views and opinions . and this is no different , mine just differ from yours in this matter .
The constitution doesnt say much about this specific situation , but the laws which were made under it do ., which in my opinion this gentleman thumbed his nose at the moment he illegally crossed the border , the rule of law does matter after all.
he had 13 years of due process with the courts if what i have been reading is true , in front of a judge who determined he was deportable eventually. the system worked , just not in his favor , or in the favor of how some think it should work . If that is the case its time the legislature change the laws the judiciary operate under , if they can .
due process and rule of law is not optional , even if the defendant broke the rule of law and tries to subvert the process.
asking forgiveness is not a remedy for failure to ask permission . so that is not the better option .
Up until he was taken from his family, the last due process said do not deport to El Salvador. He had no due process after that.
The way i see it , and this is simply my opinion , and we know what they say about opinions .
this guy has some choices to make .
he can try and come back to the US , likely face prosecution, human trafficking being the one im thinking of , and take a chance he wont be convicted . if convicted suffer the consequences . Epstein's girlfriend comes to mind with all the publicity this has garnered with what could happen to trafficker's.
OR
he can stay where he is , outside US jurisdiction , and make the US extradite him, which his home country likely wont allow because of the terrorist group thing the US is currently following , even with threats from rival gangs in his home country ,he has to figure out where he is better off.
being he is no longer being held in CECOT, and from what i have read in passing , he is more or less on an administrative hold in his home country that actually has jurisdiction over him . Now if he faces charges there for something is not really known , that country is under no obligation to say , there is no freedom of information act there or its equivalent at play that i can find , or have looked for .
have to wait and see what they , and ultimately he decides which is best for him given the situation . and the US government or political parties no longer really factor in those choices anymore , not once he left US jurisdiction .
which IMHO, might be better for him in the long run .
Due process: It is not optional.
I do not believe the government.
Why?
For the most part their complete failure to produce these documents when first requested.
The government is unfortunately not a trustworthy source of information at this juncture, as evidenced by all of the conflicting information coming out of the administration.
But hey, they'll have a "known" cause of autism by September....
But hey, if everything works out in Trump world, we might not even be a functional democracy by then. So, Everyone! Enjoy your fucking breakfast.
Final Thoughts:
MSNBC has been covering the Garcia story on a daily basis right up until a day ago when we began finding out about this illegal migrant from El Salvador. At that point the story has altered from one of a family man being wrongly deported to an issue of due process.
The fact is that Garcia got his due process in 2019 before two immigration judges, both of whom determined that Garcia was indeed an MS-13 gang member. They were concerned about his safety in El Salvador and recommended that he be deported elsewhere. He had his hearing which he lost, and he had his appeal which he also lost. The Trump administration may have made a mistake in deporting him to El Salvador and they may have to go the extra mile in deporting to some other country. I do want everyone to note that Garcia recently met with Senator Chris Van Hollen. In the pictures Garcia seemed to be healthy, though still overweight, yet very much untouched by MS-13.
Let us not forget that he was caught in Tennessee transporting over a dozen people who gave his address as their address. For those who demand he be convicted, that is trafficking. He also beat his wife and who knows what else. He is an illegal alien and a threat to every decent human being.
"Good night and good luck."
No, that is ridiculous. Appearing before an immigration judge in 2019 does not satisfy all future acts by the government. His 2025 deportation was a distinct event and requires due process.
Further, his 2019 withholding of removal expressly prohibited him being deported to El Salvador. So if he had been provided due process, he would NOT have been deported to El Salvador.
I understand. I think Trump may eventually have to bring him back and give him a day in court. I'm certain he will then be ordered deported again, possibly to somewhere that will take him. That will give Trump's enemies a brief cause for celebration.
The much more important question with due process involves the 12 million illegal migrants allowed into the county in the past 4 years combined with the 12-15 million that were already here. They will all now demand due process. There is no way on earth that they can have their cases heard in a timely manner. It would take a century to give them all a hearing and deport those that lose their case. I'm sure that is why Trump used the Alien Enemies Act.
Right now, I'm really focused on May 15 when the SCOTUS hears the oral arguments on the federal government’s request to be allowed to implement President Donald Trump’s executive order ending birthright citizenship. That is something that needs to be straightened out, but it is not really what they are expected to get into. They are actually going to focus in on the limits to the authority of district judges. That day cannot come fast enough.
Trump is doubling down and even lying about Garcia's history? Are you okay with such pointless acts and the insane level of lying Trump and his cabinet are producing in this matter?
Stop buying whatever bullshit Trump is selling. Our nation has averaged between 10 and 12 million illegals within our borders since the Bush days. We do NOT have in excess of 24 million illegals.
Birthright citizenship is a constitutional right. An EO cannot end it.
This will affect so many other decisions by these federal judges than just the birthright issue.
If they say that the fed judges have no jurisdiction making this decision, then, in essence, they are saying no fed judge has the ability to make decisions that affect the entire country.
I truly hope this is what they say.....loud and clear.
I'm counting on it.
I think the question of whether the 14th Amendment was speaking to those born to the newly freed slaves rather than foreign nationals who have children born here will be left to another day.
Your conflation is noted.
Let me also note that where they keep records of such, undocumented persons are less likely to commit murder than are American citizens.
Actually, that is not true. We have many unsolved crimes, not that it matters.
Every crime committed by someone who shouldn't be here is a crime that was preventable.
Pete Hegseth has questionable tattoos, settled a rape charge, drunk and disorderly, yet look where he is now. Trump convicted of felonies, defamation, credibly accused of rape settling out of court over the years requiring NDA's so the women kept quiet, yet look where he is. Linda McMahon and her husband accused of sexual abuse and settled with victims financially, look where she is.
January 6th rioters beating cops were pardoned, the fines handed down for the destruction of the Capitol building and grounds are about to be refunded! That's right, handing money back to domestic terrorists who stormed the capitol defecating and urinating in the building, smashed windows, doors, stole property from the Capitol building and Trump treats them like saints.
If criminal records don't apply to the J6 rioters who literally attacked America and the American Capitol then what laws?
If laws only apply to people Trump hates and laws don't apply to people Trump likes, then laws are no longer valuable. We are now subject to the whims of a king.
Pete Hegseth doesn't have a confidential informant fingering him as a MS-13 associate.
Tha's all you got? If Garcia had a finding of being in MS-13, one would expect to find it amongst the legal documentation surrounding his 2019 case. Since nobody has made mention of such documentation, one must therefore conclude that, at this late juncture in the process that he does not have a finding of belonging to MS-13.
Further, the reason that he only has the do not deport order is because he filed his asylum claim two days late, the Judge giving him the do not deport in lieu of asylum.
That is really all I need. If he is brought back, he will be deported again, maybe not to El Salvador, but he will be deported AGAIN.
I agree, although this would be a very unusual exception, the Trump administration can legally deport him to a nation other than El Salvador and they will likely try do it because they have already created a false narrative about him being a gang member. This administration, because of Trump, does not care about what is right or wrong, or care about the damage to 'little people'. They are assholes and they will move this pawn to meet their needs.
He was identified as such by a government informer.
"They also cited a tip from a confidential informant who said Abrego Garcia was part of MS-13’s “Westerns” clique, which operates out of New York. "
Trump’s claims about Abrego Garcia’s gang ties largely rely on 1 confidential tip
The assholes are the people who intentionally keep letting illegals like this back into our country. Them and the dimbulbs who defend such policy.
You've created an argument that is impervious to reality. Might as well claim he cured cancer.
So what? The informant, by the way, has been discredited.
Do you think it is proper to take the word of a single discredited person when there is no corroborating evidence and, indeed, the evidence illustrates Garcia is almost certainly NOT a member of MS-13.
Garcia is gainfully employed, married to a US citizen, raising three kids, and has no criminal record. How, exactly, does he pull that off while being a member of MS-13? And where is the actual evidence of his membership.
Garcia was illegally deported. He had the legal right to stay and work in the USA. He could legally be deported to another nation but that would be quite an exception to the norm.
When an immigration judge grants someone a withholding of removal that is a legal ruling. Because of that ruling, Garcia was not deported back to his home nation and was allowed to stay in the USA and work. That is the legal reality.
What a pathetic claim. If you are going to write crap like that then you need to make an argument showing why Garcia is a member of MS-13,
He had zero legal right to be in the USA. That's a fact. A valid deportation order was in effect.
e grants someone a withholding of removal that is a legal ruling.
A legal ruling that prevented his deportation to El Salvador ONLY. If the US can find another country to take him, he could have been deported at any time without any further hearing. He was only allowed to work until the US could find a place to deport him to other than El Salvador.
Lol The "pathetic" claim that was enough for an immigration judge and an appellate court to rule that he did not qualify for bail because of his gang ties. The legal system believes he's a member, the father of his wife's children said he's a member, he worked for a convicted human trafficker and in the face of all these uncontested facts you just say "nun-unh." That's pathetic.
Don’t care. The guy was here illegally for over a decade. Trump just made the inevitable finally happen. I’ll let my friends on the left shed a tear over this “miscarriage of justice” while they key Tesla’s, damage public property and expect to get away scot free.
The hypocrisy of these folks is endless
As I just finished writing, he could be deported elsewhere but he had the right to stay and work in the USA and work.
You seem to not read my comments and also ignore important facts. Your comment repeats essentially what I just wrote. The difference is that you fail to recognize that Garcia reported annually to ICE and that his withholding of removal grants him the right to live and work legally in the U.S. indefinitely (albeit he could, with an exception, be deported to another nation). Further, Homeland Security issued Garcia a work permit.
Yeah, you do not care that an immigration judge gave him the right to live and work in the USA (albeit he still could be deported). It harms your chosen narrative so you ... "don't care".
So you do not understand that denying bail need only be based on a possibility of gang membership and that is nowhere close to a ruling that he is a gang member?
Further, you continue to ignore the fact that there is no evidence tying him to MS-13 and plenty that shows he is not a member.
But it is clearly important for you to make him a member.
This is Orwellian. It's simply impossible to claim, at least consistent with the rules of logic and the english language, that a judge using the issue of his gang membership to make a ruling on his eligibility for bail is nowhere close to ruling he's not a member of the gang. It's hallucinatory. His gang membership was literally the issue that decided whether he got bail. To turn around and try to claim that's nowhere close to ruling he's a gang member is so far beyond disingenuous as to be hallucinatory. It bears no basis to observed reality.
Understand, the judge's job was only to determine his fitness for bail. It was not to issue a formal ruling on whether he's a gang member. The judge's task was to rule on his fitness for bail and it was his gang membership that made him unfit. That's as close as that judge could come to issuing a formal ruling on gang membership.
ontinue to ignore the fact that there is no evidence tying him to MS-13
How you argue that while knowing a judge and an appellate court denied him bond based on the evidence of his membership in MS-13 is beyond comprehension. Your claim is simply impervious to documented reality. It's basically a conspiracy theory at this point.
He had no legal right to be here, hence the government's ability to deport him at any time without further notice as you now admit. People with the legal right to be here can't be deported without notice. See the difference?
Okay Sean, you just keep repeating the same crap over again. I rebut it, you repeat. This is pointless.
If you can demonstrate that Garcia is an MS-13 terrorist then do so.
Well then due process him and get it over with. You keep arguing that he had due process when he had absolutely no chance to answer the charges brought against him. The 2019 case was adjudicated in his favor. Any claims after that need to be held to the same standards.
The cop let him go. Nothing to see there. There was no due process on that, either. Until due process is followed, there is nothing, and that is the whole fucking point.
You keep saying that he had his due process when he quite clearly did not. And you have the nerve to talk about Orwellian.
That’s right. Don’t care. Biden spent four years making a bad situation worse with his porous Biden border policy. So yeah, I’m past caring.
“Could be deported?” What a joke. People talk “due process” and accept years, decades even in this case, of delays simply because it scratches their TDS itch. Due process = speedy and public trial? Guess not in this case.
Pathetic!
If you abide by the CotUS and the way our system of justice works, you would hold true to the fundamental principle of due process. Due process when it meets your political views and not when it goes against your political views is pathetic.
That's how got the deportation order to begin wirth.
e 2019 case was adjudicated in his favor.
Please understand this. In 2019 the courts found he could be deported. The only thing "found in his favor" was that he couldn't be deported to EL Salvador and El Salvador alone because he claimed he would be persecuted by another gang in El Salvador. That's it. Look it up. After losing his deportation hearing in 2019, he could be deported anywhere in the world but El Salvador without any further proceedings.
he cop let him go. Nothing to see there.
What are you even talking about? A deportation order was entered and remains in effect to this day. That's not up for debate.
What is pointless is you making absolutist, absurd claims like "there's no evidence he was a member of Ms-13" while somehow ignoring all the evidence you've been repeatedly presented with.
Stop with the obnoxious bullshit and just deliver the evidence that Garcia is/was a member of MS-13.
Testimony from informants (disputed), photo-shopped tattoos, his clothing, myriad suspicions, etc. are weak and circumstantial. Since you have been harping on this for days now, you either are intentionally writing bullshit obnoxious posts or you truly believe you have evidence to back up your conviction that Garcia is a member of MS-13.
I will assume you are being honest and truly believe Garcia is a member of MS-13. So deliver the hard evidence that backs up your belief that Garcia is or was a member of MS-13. Show us all the persuasive evidence and argument that is the foundation of your belief.
Finally, after days of denying the obvious and making absurd claims you finally admit evidence of his gang membership. Baby steps I guess.
So deliver the hard evidence that backs up your belief that Garcia is or was a member of MS-13. Show us all the persuasive evidence and argument that is the foundation of your belief.
I have. I'll use your reasoning from when you believed numerous judges found he wasn't a member of MS-13 before you had to back off that mistaken position as well. The fact that the only judges who weighed the issue found the evidence compelling enough to deny bail on the basis of gang membership. You were happy to give those judges deference when you thought they supported your point and then flipped when you found they didn't. so obviously your opinion is based on your desires rather than any logical basis as you abandoned your claimed deference to the immigration judges as soon is worked against you.
That doesn't even include the statement of the father of his wife's children to the Courts that he's a gang member, that he was pulled over driving 8 migrants while claiming to work for a convicted human trafficker... Put it all together and it is hard to imagine a scenario where he's not in a gang. Too much evidence that when combined, can't be explained away.
You really are going to stoop to this level? What you claim I admit are facts that I have stated for days. How utterly slimy.
And I have rebutted them. I am done repeating the same rebuttals to the same feeble arguments from you.
Not sure why a 5-month-old article was resurrected, so I am locking it.