The Champions of the democrat party
Last night Fox News analyst & anchor Sean Hannity aired an interview he had with the f ormer "Washington Post" columnist, technology reporter for "The New York Times", "Daily Beast", and "Business Insider", Taylor Lorenz. It involved the statement she made concerning a man on trial for the murder of a United Health Care CEO. Lorenz attributed the comments to Mangione supporters, but it was clear that she supported them even though she half-heartily tried to deny it. She often compared the insurance industry to assassins. Hannity never could get her to condemn the man who murdered the Insurance executive. And we wonder why there is so much violence coming from the left. Here is the interview:
Luigi Mangione
Luigi Mangione was a spoiled brat, wealthy aristocrat from a wealthy family who never had to work. He decides one day to go out and gun down a self-made guy from the Midwest, who rose to become CEO of United Health Care Insurance. Suddenly Mangione is some kind of folk hero.
Mahmoud Khalil
Mahmoud Khalil is a known Hamas supporter, who had his student visa revoked for the activities he helped promote at Columbia University. A federal judge stepped in to temporarily block his deportation. Another folk hero for the left.
Karmelo Anthony
Karmelo Anthony was the kid who went to a football game packing a knife and sat in the opposing team section causing a commotion. When another boy asked him to leave Karmelo stabbed him in the heart. Later Karmelo supporters raised about half a million dollars for him (thus far) on " go fund me. " Karmelo lived in a very affluent neighborhood. One wonders if the situation were reversed would the other kid, being white have raised money on " go fund me ?"
Kilmar Abrego Garcia
Kilmar Abrego Garcia had been ordered deported long ago by both a District Court Judge and an Appellate Court Judge, both of whom found evidence that he was an M-13 gang member. Recently Senator Chris Van Hollen went to El Salvador to secure his release. The President of El Salvador told Van Hollen that Garcia was an El Salvadoran citizen and was subject to the laws of El Salvador and in prison he would remain.
We have all heard the arguments made for these individuals. Only yesterday I heard one repeat the nonsense about "what law did he break? " The people who support them are as bad as they are.
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President Trump has fired the MTA from their long-awaited renovation of Penn Station.
When you want it safe and clean it might be better for the President to do it himself.
There might be something to that. I for one can't wait to see him down on all fours, licking the pavement.
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Secretary of State Marco Rubio says the US is failing to reach a unilateral agreement to end the war that Trump said was going to be easy. “It is not possible to end the war in Ukraine, we have failed,” Rubio said as he departed meetings in Paris.
A 20-year-old MAGA nazi racist killed two people and wounded six others in a shooting at the Florida State University campus in Tallahassee.
he was probably unhappy that college elitists weren't giving trump's christo-fascist agenda enough time to show results ...
Not anything like them but want to be a radical in some way or another. I seriously miss being a radical hippy fighting against the war back in the 60s.
Yet another Florida guy? It's becoming a cliche.
Karmelo Anthony probably belongs on that list
You're right. They raised half a million for him.
That was money well spent by his donors. They bought a $800,000+ house and a new car. Their defense is they are the victims, reminds me of BLM.
Well, at least they aren't spending 4 million taxpayer dollars a week on golf.
Isn't it odd that the the left won't acknowledge that Garcia received the "due process" they are crying about?
And from what I have seen, he did this at the expense of taxpayers. What was this clown's intent? Did he actually think that he had any kind of power in a foreign country? It's pretty pathetic (although expected) that a Democrat would fight harder for an illegal than a US Citizen. The left needs to wake up.
What was this clown's intent?
Virtue signaling to his base who cares more about illegal aliens than the Americans he actually represents.
It was idiotic virtue signaling that allowed this to even happen.
We have spent a lot of time on him, haven't we?
And from what I have seen, he did this at the expense of taxpayers.
Another member of congress just asked that Van Hollen pay his own way. Maybe we are getting through to people here.
What was this clown's intent?
I assume he wants to undermine the man he hates.
Did he actually think that he had any kind of power in a foreign country?
Believe it or not the President of El Salvador eventually allowed him to meet Garcia.
It's pretty pathetic (although expected) that a Democrat would fight harder for an illegal than a US Citizen.
Yes, it is and all of America is watching.
Typical stupidity of the "Orange Man Bad" people.
That I didn't know. But still, was pretty pathetic (and expected) behavior from the Democrats
But sadly there are still some who just don't get it.
It happened not long ago.
But sadly there are still some who just don't get it.
And according to Nate Silver those "some" are likely to nominate AOC in 2028.
Pollster Nate Silver predicts AOC will be next Democratic presidential nominee | Fox News
Well, I don't recall anybody claiming they were smart.
There are those looking for moderation. Unfortunately, the radical left seems to have a firm hold on the party.
If true there would be another GOP Administration after Trump.
But the majority will never vote for Bernie or AOC, not Democrats, Independents or cross over Republicans.
In a primary?
The left is very good at winning democrat primaries.
Is "winning" the code word for what they actually do?
If you mean trying to destroy the country, then yes.
You can observe Trump screwing up our nation in real time, more than any other PotUS in recent history, and you still are focused on the Ds??
Inexplicably ignoring, inexcusably enabling, and tacitly approving the assault on our national identity, values, and legacy.
I'd say so. Unfortunately, not enough voters get involved in primaries. If they can get a progressive to win over a moderate, party affiliation takes hold in the general election and the progressive gets elected to a position of real consequence.
No, it's odd that certain people won't acknowledge that the 2019 case was overturned because CIS was unreliable. The deportment order was over turned and a withhold deportation issued. He was also allowed to find work in the US, a green card?
That evidence and paperwork from 2019 is now being brandished by an embarrassed White House is immaterial to the physical deportation in 2025.
Be careful what you cheer for.
His 2019 deportation order was not overturned. He does not have a green card. He remains subject to deportation. As of 2019 (because he asserts a fear of rival gangs) he could not be deported to El Salvador. He can legally be deported anywhere in the world but El Salvador without any further act of any US Court.
Multiple sources said he had one, including you who said it was revoked the day he was deported to.......El Salvador
Slight issue there...?
Despite the whole round them up put them on a plane, in record time, with no due process, then ignore orders to cease and desist, then further ignore the same court and send more people to El Salvador.
Tomorrow marks the 250th anniversary of Lexington and Concorde, the first time we stood up and said,
" no more Kings, no more conscription, no more taxation without representation"
funny how history repeats itself.
Can you show proof of this.
It is known that he had a "withholding of removal order" because of his "fear" of rival gang members, but that does not make him eligible for a green card.
He had a work permit.
Correct.
An I551 Green card is for permanent alien residents with just about every right, but they cannot vote or become citizens.
He had a work visa which required him to report to ICE annually, no vote or freedom to travel as he saw fit.
Not the same as a green card. A green card is a path to citizenship. A work permit is not.
Claimed no one ever.
Claimed what?
That a green card is a path to citizenship or that a work permit is not?
yeah, still waiting to see that backed up.
Unrelated. But, what ever.
My point was simply that he was allowed to be here.
Yes.,...until a third party country agreed to take him.
The USA legally would not deport him to El Salvador.
The USA granted him the right to live and work in the USA.
The USA could have deported him at any time to any other nation.
The USA did not do so. In the meantime, he has a wife (citizen), children, a job, and no criminal record.
Garcia is a better man than the asshole who accidentally sent him to El Salvador and is trying to prevent his return by lying about his gang affiliations, showing photo-shopped tattoos, etc. just to test the limits of his power.
If Trump brings him back, he WILL again be deported somewhere.
You can take it to the bank.
The real issue isn't about due process for one illegal migrant. It is about the impossibility of granting due process to millions of illegal migrants. Something that would take a lifetime. I assume those around Biden, like Susan Rice factored that in when they let everyone in.
Probably, because Trump is an asshole.
The real issue IS due process. It is ALSO following the law and the CotUS. Something that conservatives claimed to hold dear until Trump came along. And now it is all of a sudden okay for a PotUS to not only try to defy the CotUS, but to break the law.
And here you go proving my point. So what is your solution, Vic, just forget about due process because it gets in the way of the objective?
Deflection. Focus on the problems caused by the irresponsible buffoon you helped elect.
“If Trump brings him back, he WILL again be deported somewhere.”
That would be a good thing because that punk offers no positives to American society, none at all.
Where do you get your 'facts'? Garcia has no criminal record, was granted the right to live and work in the USA (albeit he could be deported to any nation other than El Salvador), was gainfully employed, is married to a US citizen, and was raising a family.
On what grounds do you claim he offers nothing of value to our society?
He’s a wife beater, he has ties to ms-13, he is suspected of human trafficking. Is that the kind of pos you want in this country?
He had a domestic dispute years ago. His wife, however, is the jury and she desperately wants him home. Here is how she described the situation after the domestic dispute was resolved:
What ties to MS-13 ... Trump and others making allegations that defy the evidence? Do you believe Trump's continued lies and photo-shopped tattoos?? If he were a member, he would be a slave to the gang. He would not be an employed steel worker raising a family with no criminal record.
Trump, on the other hand, is a convicted felon, con-man, ..., and is damaging our nation on a weekly basis. And here you are defending Trump's incompetent, irresponsible, illegal and unconstitutional actions.
Gain some perspective. Garcia is a better man than Trump could ever be and he is not causing harm to this nation. Trump is the problem, not guys like Garcia. Trump is the "POS", not Garcia.
as far as ms-13 I trust LE officers assessment more than some bleeding heart left wing blather. He was stopped by TSP who suspected him of human trafficking. No, this guy is a pos, as is biden who committed the most treasonous act of any president with his open border policy.
We could take all of the laid off lawyers from DoJ and the FBI, make them temporary immigration judges and eliminate the 6 year backlog in two or three years.
That gives everyone due process, satisfies all parties, including the Constitution
except those that get deported anyway.
Well you know that old saying...
It's almost as if you don't read all of the comments and just have a thought pop into your helmet and insist on making a point that was not being disputed.
Obviously you have nothing but hearsay. Looks like you are just believing Trump and not even bothering to investigate.
Good grief, the partisanship dripping from your comment is so over-the-top. There is no way to not see the substantial damage Trump is doing and you are still whining about Biden and (laughably) claiming that his border policy was "the most treasonous act of any president".
Well you had better start now with hiring some more judges because we don't just throw up our hands as Americans and say , "We can't do that. It is too hard!" So let's get to work processing these people who want to be here, want to work hard, and want to make the American dream work for somebody who is willing to work for it.
Due process is not optional. Thank you for showing your true colors.
Get your news at real journalistic outlet.
Do you think the police report was faked? Or part of a conspiracy by Maryland police that took place in 2019 to set this guy up to be deported in 2025? How deep you believe this conspiracy goes?
since you obviously "investigated" and aren't just relying on progressive hopes and dreams, what evidence do you have that he isn't a part of MS-13? What has your investigation yielded to prove the police report false?
The immigration judge did not find it credible but did find Garcia to be credible. So if you think the judge got it wrong then provide your evidence and argument. If not, given we have a judgment already, why would you not accept it?
As for MS-13, you have it flipped. If you think you have credible evidence that he was a part of MS-13 then deliver it. You are the one trying (poorly) to allege that he was. So make your case.
I have stated that I find it unlikely that he was part of MS-13 since that would have committed him to the organization for life. For him to live here, be married, raise a family, be gainfully employed, etc. and ALSO be a member of the gang sounds unlikely. But, Sean, since you think you have something, let's hear your argument.
Be honest about it.
The police report says "no priors". It is right there under the big red line. You will notice that as hard as you and your friends try to pin MS-13 on him, the courts let him remain in the country. There was no determination that he was in the gang, otherwise it would have been reported. You have nothing to tie him to the gang. You have nothing to tie him to criminal activity, otherwise, he would have been in jail or deported prior to this occurance.
I love how you keep trying to trash this person whom you do not have the faintest clue of who he is or how he conducts his life, just because Donald Trump said to.
It is just priceless how clueless some people can be. You don't even realize that Donald Trump is trying to fuck us all.
It is ok though. We still love you.
How many judges will give them their due process and their right to a timely trial? Maybe we should toss them in jail like we did with the Jan 6th accused and let them languish there until we have a trial date?
Or do we just give them an available trial date, say 50 years from today?
It would amount to simply letting them stay here forever.
Abraham Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. It was an emergency measure. This would also be one. I say it should be done.
It wouldn't come close.
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There you go again, mixing up your issues. The January 6th defilers of the Capitol and Constitution were afforded due process. Some were "Really Bad People." Should we have shipped them off to a foreign land to make them "irretrievable" like the El Presidente is suggesting we do now? I think that you would not like that.
Due process is a the right of every person in the US. Period.
Now there is an idea. Why don't we do that. I will even give you credit.
We are not at war. We are not being invaded by any stretch of the imagination. There is no emergency because it is all taking place inside of your head.
Calm down. We still love you and respect your rights anyway.
Bullshit. I would call what has happened at the southern border is INDEED a fucking invasion. 2 Million give or take who weren't (supposedly) invited for dinner................and breakfast and lunch and and and
You really need to find a news source that is verifiable and correct.
But it's ok. We love you and respect your rights anyway.
Knock it off with the “partisan” bullshit. It’s very obvious my opinion differs from YOUR OPINION. No big deal. It’s nothing to get derogatory about.
To be fair, two out of three immigration judges did, in fact, find the evidence tying Garcia to MS-13 to be credible.
Most of the Jan6th defendants, were jailed without trial for two years, in violation of their constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial. When they got a trail, it was before a DC jury, which as we know have strong opinions, but on top of it were additionally compromised by pejorative comments about “MAGA Republicans” from President Biden.
Cynthia Hughes wrote a book of them. It was titled: "Due process denied."
He actually had three different hearings. In the first two, police used testimony of a reliable confidential informant who identified Garcia as an MS-13 member. The third judge refused to accept that testimony, and the govt really didn't have other compelling evidence. After his third hearing, he was granted permission to stay in the US and given a work permit. Since then, he seems to have behaved as a reasonably law abiding member of society.
So it is factually correct to say a court found him to be an MS-13 member. It is also factually correct to say a court found insufficient evidence of same.
I'm not sure if or how his situation may have changed when MS-13 was classified as a Foreign Terrorist Organization earlier this year. I don't know if that changes anything, and if so what it might mean.
I'm personally of the opinion that he was deported illegally (by mistake) and we should do what we can to get him back. I suspect our officials are trying to get him back and El Salvador is probably playing some hardball, hoping to squeeze us for a little something in return. I don't have any evidence of that, but it doesn't seem a huge stretch of the imagination.
And you probably think that means something. The informant, and the local gang unit, the only independent people involved, said he's a member. Why do you keep ignoring that?
You don't seem to understand what's happening. He was only allowed to stay in the country because he claimed a rival to MS-13 would kill him if he was returned to El Salvador, which in fact lends credence to the fact that he was in fact a member of MS-13.
ove how you keep trying to trash this person whom you do not have the faintest clue of who he is or how he conducts his life, just because Donald Trump said to
I love how you keep making false claims about an illegal immigrant who you've met because progressives tell you to.
t is just priceless how clueless some people can be
It sure is. Look at all the "biden is fine" people walking around.
Except for the Judges who did. Be honest. Please cite the specific judge who found Garcia credible on his Ms13 claim, because I can’t any record of that .
So if you think the judge got it wrong then provide your evidence and argument.
Two Judges found that he was a member. He only avoided deportation to El Salvador because he claimed a rival gang would hurt him.
But, Sean, since you think you have something, let's hear your argument.
They've been provided many times. You have thestesitmony of the Local PD and a CI who identified him as a member. two judges agreed. His deportation to El Salvador (and El Salvador only) was prevented, not because he wasn't a member of MS-13, but because he told the Court he feared harm from a rival gang. Are gangs more likely to target members of rival gangs or innocent civilians, do you think. Be honest.
Please take that advice
And to be clear, the Judge in 2019 who granted the application for withholding that prevented his deportation to el Salvador did not rule on, or even address, whether he was a member of Ms-13.. It was not an issue before the Judge. The judge was only concerned with whether he faced persecution if he returned to El Salvador.
The bullshit is from you. You put forth the ridiculous accusation that Biden is the most treasonous PotUS when deflecting from this Garcia mess Trump created.
Not only is your accusation utterly ridiculous, it shows yet again a failure to even recognize the wrongful acts of Trump.
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You are incorrect. The first two were hearings over whether he should be released pending trial and made no judgement of the veracity of the claim that he was MS-13. The third the judge did not find that he was a member.
My research assistant (ChatGPT) was kind enough to summarize for me:
Which is really all beside the point that his Due Process rights have been violated per the findings of the district court and the Supreme Court and the Administration has been told to Facilitate his return, which it is not doing.
The Administration is as crooked and sadistic as they can get. How much does it take to make some people see this??
No judge has ruled explicitly on Garcia's alleged membership in MS-13. The judges you referred to merely denied him bond based on the allegations of membership and his attire. The judge (David Jones) who granted Garcia the Withholding of Removal did so knowing the prior judges' response to the allegations of his MS-13 membership. He noted that he found Garcia's testimony to be credible. He made no exception such as ("credible except for his denial of MS-13 membership).
And MS-13 membership is an importance consideration. If Jones had been convinced that Garcia was an MS-13 member he would run counter to 8 U.S.C. § 1231(b)(3): "... there are reasonable grounds to believe that the alien is a danger to the security of the United States. "
The government did no appeal his decision and ICE granted him the ability to work in the USA. Given there was no evidence of MS-13 membership and the actions of the government to allow him to stay (he reported to ICE annually) and work in the USA illustrates that he was not considered a member of MS-13. In fact, there is no evidence that links him to MS-13 other than a claim by an untrustworthy witness.
The most recent judge on this matter, Judge Xinis, provided this as part of her opinion:
Bottom line, the only tie to MS-13 are weak allegations by non credible people and presumptions based upon appearance. In contrast, the evidence is that Garcia has no criminal record, is married to a citizen, is raising three children, and is working as an apprentice steel worker. He fled El Salvador because the Barrio 18 gang was extorting his family and trying to force recruit him into their gang.
The Trump administration broke the law by deporting him to El Salvador. And now they are sickeningly lying about Garcia being an MS-13 gang member even to the point of Trump himself showing photoshopped tattoos.
I would not try to defend Trump in this matter.
They found that the allegations were sufficient to deny his bond. Big difference.
TOO MUCH !
Yet you claimed a judge found it not credible. When did that happen?
The judges you referred to merely denied him bond based on the allegations of membership and his attire.
Lol. "Merely"... You are putting on a master class in goalpost moving. The only judges who considered whether he was an MS -13 member found the allegations credible and used them as a basis to issue a ruling denying bail. To quote you asking about an imaginary ruling that never happened " if you think the judge got it wrong then provide your evidence and argument.If not, given we have a judgment already, why would you not accept it? "
Why indeed won't you follow your own argument and accept the Judge's ruling that their was enough evidence of MS-13 membership to deny him bail. Or do you only want people to defer to imaginary rulings by judges?
. He noted that he found Garcia's testimony to be credible
Now this is truly breathtaking. You don't even pretend to make a consistent argument from point to point. First, you dismiss the judges who actually weighed whether he was a member of MS-13 and issued a ruling based upon it because you don't like how they ruled. Then you turn around and claim a judge who never addressed the MS-13 issue a actually addressed whether he was an ms-13 member and decided he wasn't. He just never got around to actually writing that down anywhere. But we should apparently accept that projection of your own creation onto a ruling despite what the Judge worte, while simultaneously ignoring the judges who actually considered the issue, weighed the evidence and made an actual judgment based on it.
It's simply astounding you would even would even attempt that after dismissing the judges' rulings who actually considered his Ms-13 membership and used it as a basis in a substantive ruling.
The Judge who heard the removal issue found Garcia credible regarding threats from Ms-13's rival gang and wrote about why he found those threats credible. You don't seem to understand this, but that's what the hearing about. Was in danger in El Salvador, or not. That's it. It wasn't whether he was a danger here. That was already decided and that's why he was being held without bail before his deportation. The issue the removal judge was focusing on was solely whether he could be legally deported to El Salvador given the threats from MS-13's rival. That he deserved to be deported, and could be deported anywhere else in the world, was not even up for debate at that hearing.
, the only tie to MS-13 are weak allegations by non credible people and presumptions based upon appearance
They were good enough for the immigration judge who heard his case and the judges he appealed to. Certainly, no immigration judge ever claimed otherwise. You have no basis to support an argument that he wasn't a member, other than your feelings. Certainly, if you gave the weight to immigration judges decisions when you mistakenly thought they were in your favor, you'd accept he was an Ms-13 member. But that require a consistent, logical approach and not just grasping at whatever straws you can piece together to justify the result you want.
When he decided to grant withholding of removal. As I just described.
No judge ruled that he was an MS-13 member. The other judges held that he could have been and ruled against his bond. That is fundamentally different from ruling that he was a member.
You are intentionally not following. Real simple, no judges ruled he was or was not an MS-13 member. All judges considered the affiliation. The first two held that he was likely to be a member and ruled against the bond. The third judge granted a withholding of removal which, based on the legal requirements I noted, means the judge was not convinced that Garcia was an MS-13 member. The last judge stated that there is no credible evidence that Garcia is an MS-13 member.
Because, Sean, there is no credible evidence that Garcia is an MS-13 member. The evidence (as I described: gainfully employed, family man, no criminal record, ...) illustrates that he is NOT an MS-13 member.
Your theatrics will not change the facts.
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[✘] They weren't asked, and had no authority to "rule he was a member of MS-13." Your whole argumetn is based on the impossible. The Judges only rule on whether it more likely than not he was a member . They did so.
The third judge granted a withholding of removal which, based on the legal requirements I noted, means the judge was not convinced that Garcia was an MS-13 member.
100% false. The only thing the third judge considered was whether he faced persecution in El Salvador if returned there. That's it. By all means, provide a like to the Judge writing that he didn't find the evidence of gang membership credible and was withholding removal because he didn't find allegations of his gang membership credible.
This is not directed to Sean
The remainder of this thread was removed for no value. Knock it off. Only warning!
Its a shame that we have to go through this with you every day.
Being in the country illegally is not punishable by being sent to a foreign prison.
There has not been a single judicial ruling yet that said what Trump has done is ok. Some of the rulings saying it is not ok have come from conservative judges.
Do you believe that the courts decide what is and isnt against the law, or should a pathological liar convicted felon make our laws?
He did violate the law.
His wife accused him of domestic violence but was afraid to show up for court appearances. He also just missed on being included in a trafficking trial. By the same logic you have used here in the past, just because he didn't get charged, doesn't mean he didn't do it?
It is a true waste of time to discuss with you something so obvious. This is America, we dont put people in prison who have not been convicted of a crime.
Everyone knows Trump tried to steal the 2020 election. Maybe Biden should have kidnapped him and put him in prison after Trump left office.
Perhaps one needs to follow orders. It is your call.
This is America, we dont put people in prison who have not been convicted of a crime.
In America we know the difference between a foreign national and a US citizen.
You're right JR, he should be released and then deported to Bangladesh or some other shithole country.
That was their argument against Trump for almost a decade.
A lot of people feel that way about the Trumps all the way back to 1973.
She was interviewed by an anchor the other day. He asked her "Were you in fear of your life". She paused for an extended time, then sad..."My husband is alive. That is all that is important".
Of course she was in fear of her life, otherwise, if she said no, then the police could charge her with filing a false police report.
A district court and appellate court ruled for his deportation. That is what happened, he was deported. His home country is who put him in prison.
Despite what you THINK happened, the law was followed.
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The administration admitted to an initial mistake. I guess some missed that part.
I guess some missed the point that the White House is waiving 2019 paperwork which was rendered moot when a judge threw out the sketchy CUIS' "identification". and instead protected Garcia from deportation on that basis 6 years ago.
Deporting him in less than 24 hours without an additional hearing is an affront to the authority of that 2019 court.
That was appealed in 2019 and Garcia got a very rare win, so rare, that it appears the Court was right
years later with no additional due process, in violation of a standing order to NOT deport him.
Then why is this country paying them $6Million?
It's exceptionally easy. You just have to claim fear of harm and show it's more likely than not reasonably grounded. He claimed to fear a rival gang if he returned to El Salvador, hence he won the withholding of removal to El Salvador, and El Salvador only. He did not "win" because he wasn't an MS-13 member.
ter with no additional due process, in violation of a standing order to NOT deport him
No additional due process is required to deport him, and no standing order not to deport him exists. He only can't be deported to EL Salvador without further due process. Since Bukele has now destroyed the gang he claims to fear in El Salvador, a rehearing would probably result in him being able to be deported back to El Salvador.
The government, and you, have yet to prove that he is an MS 13 member. That is the point.
Simple question.
If an immigration judge ordered him to not be deported to El Salvador because he would be in danger from RIVAL GANG MEMBERS, what would that make him?
For a claim for asylum, the candidate must show there is fear that the GOVERNMENT is threatening him - rival gangs don't weigh in.
True, but I believe the order was for him to not get sent to El Salvador because of the threat of rival gangs.
That is what has been reported by several agencies.
Presented in defense of Garcia to the SCotUS:
Opinion based comments. Waiting for facts to be addressed - which will be a while from now.
This was argued in front of the SCotUS. It is a clear fact that Garcia was granted a withholding from removal in 2019 that made it illegal to deport him to El Salvador and that he was married to a US citizen, raising kids, no criminal record, no legal conclusion that he was associated with a gang, and was working to support his family as a union sheet metal worker.
Given your nuh-uh platitude, I expect you will never accept as fact anything that shows the Trump administration illegally deported Garcia.
You are contradicting yourself again
Is that in my evidence councilor?
You do realize that he has been deported to El Salvador, correct?
Immaterial. The idea of declaring a certain gang "foreign terrorists" and deportable under a 227 year old war time act is a deplorable overreach which will certainly be addressed by SCOTUS.
Last night SCOTUS, voted 7 to 2, to pause further deportations of migrants using the wartime act, without judicial review.
On top of the legal semantics and language stretches, the POTUS also suggested treating "America's worst" the same way.
Trump just doesn't care about the law or people. Since the 1970's its always been something to circumvent if possible and tie opponents up in court indefinitely if possible.
This may help. You may label it opinion but it seems to be fair enough.
25 Facts About Kilmar Abrego Garcia - by Gabe Fleisher
His claim for asylum was denied because the time limits had expired and Convention Against Torture was also denied.
However the judge said it was "a clear probability" that he would be persecuted and granted a withholding order for El Salvador only,
which is where he ended up ...
By whom? If he did not have a record in El Salvador, or he was not a known gang member, whay would he be persecuted by anyone?
The family has(had?) a farm that was being shaken down by the B...18 gang, that's why he ran.
His brother Cecil came here years before and is naturalized already, so he came here, illegally, to join his brother.
His argument to stay and the reason it was granted is because he was afraid of RIVAL GANG MEMBERS. What does that make him?
Do you find this language in the withhold deportation order? I doubt a judge would use that wording since it undermine his/her judgement.
No you wouldn't and I never claimed that.
Kilmar made the claim that he would be in danger from rival gang members if he were returned to El Salvador. The judge agreed for some reason and put a stay on his return there, but there was never a stop order to be deported somewhere else.
" a 2019 order blocking the feds’ ability to remove him to El Salvador on the grounds that he was at risk of retaliation from gangs,"
Alleged MS-13 gangbanger Kilmar Abrego Garcia's rank, street name revealed as fight over deportation to El Salvador mega-prison rages: docs
Yes You do every time you keep saying RIVAL.
That isn't the language in the Judge's order. The "Docs" also are from 2019 are alleged, by DHS & ICE, based on an informant.
No he said he and his family were being threatened by the B?18 gang.
The Judge who issued the withhold deportation to El Salvador did not believe the informant, hence the judgement.
No one is disputing that.
Block quoting from that newspaper is hardly an establishment of fact in a court room.
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"I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar. Tonight I had that chance. I have called his wife, Jennifer, to pass along his message of love. I look forward to providing a full update upon my return."
Senator Chris Van Hollen on X: "I said my main goal of this trip was to meet with Kilmar. Tonight I had that chance. I have called his wife, Jennifer, to pass along his message of love. I look forward to providing a full update upon my return. https://t.co/U9y2gZpxCb" / X
I'm sure his wife was delighted to hear about his "love."
And I'm very certain that she is glad that he is locked up in a secure prison.
With those two statements, it's well past the time for you to dump your latest avatar.
I bet Van Hollen's wife wished he would look at her as caringly as he's looking at Garcia.
Another day, another perfidious column
Do you have verified sources for this? Wednesday she seemed like she wanted him home. CBS
Yesterday President Trump also had time to meet with what some might consider the strongest Leader in the European Union.
The discussion centered on trade.
It looks like a quiet day around here.
I bet I know what it is. I note that spring has arrived in Boston.
I'll bet many of our members are out taking a walk!
Many are celebrating the ride of Paul Revere
or Good Friday which many seem to think is a holiday.
Tomorrow is the 250th anniversary of the skirmishes at Concorde and Lexington.
The beginning of this grand experiment and the Constitution which protects all equally, or not.
He's a POS and a terrible actor.
Baseless...
Karma is a nasty bitch sometimes, no? Poor thing.............
This imbecile didn't think that anybody would find out. Probably based on her position and perceived control of investigators. Such a horrible miscalculation.
I'm still seeing zero evidence of the majority of Democrats considering any of these people "folk hero's". That is pure hyperbolic bullshit rhetoric.
All you do is list four very different situations, lump them together and then claim they are heros of the left. I don't recall anyone here or anywhere who is saying Luigi shouldn't be held accountable for his crime. You had to pull some ridiculous interview with some likely single desperate technology reporter who thinks a criminal is hot. That does not make him a "hero of the left".
Please show me where any Democrats here or elsewhere are actually standing up saying Karmelo Anthony shouldn't be held accountable for his crime? All you do is point out that a gofund me was started for his legal defense. How the fuck does that make him a "hero of the left"?
As for Kilmar Abrego Garcia, those outraged by his rendition and forced deportation to an El Salvadorian prison is 100% based on a fierce defense of due process and the constitution. Anyone claiming it's anything other than that are complete fucking morons or just partisan shills trying to sell lies, or probably both.
So instead of continuing to post these tired seeds chock full of bullshit opinion, why not try and actually look at the real reason Democrats are upset by the Trump administration trampling the rule of law. So far, the defense from the right seems to be "Yeah, well they were bad guys so who gives a fuck about the rule of law!". That works great until you're on the other end of that and others are claiming you're guilty and want to string you up without due process because everyone around you has been convinced of your guilt before even getting to present your defense. We already know what that looks like and we've even seen those rabid mobs of idiots recently...
Lest we forget what heroes the right worship.
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Hilarious attempt at deflection noted.
Again, the lengths that some tired witless conservatives go to when they are desperately trying to rewrite the narrative in their favor is adorable. No one actually believes Ukraine is a fascist shithole other than those who have drunk the poisoned RT media cool-aid and are snuggling up under Putin's ball sack for protection. Fuck those worthless treasonous pieces of Putin loving fascist trash.
The facts:
So no, there were no prior deportation orders that were not followed, he was granted "withholding of removal" status that should have prevented his deportation to El Salvador as even the Supreme court has confirmed. Due process was not served.
What the rights argument really comes down to is that there are a bunch of bitter lazy fucking useless conservative bigots screaming and whining about brown "foreigners" being given asylum in America which the bigots see as eroding their white nationalist white supremacist conservative Christian culture.
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Point of clarification.....
It was a track meet. Anthony was in the tent of one of the opposing teams (he did not belong there, but it's not unusual and generally a problem). He was told to leave by another student, Austin Metcalf, not a coach or adult supervisor. Words were exchanged, Metcalf shoved Anthony, and Anthony stabbed him.
Now... WTF he was doing with that knife in his bag at this track meet is a very, very good question.
Maybe trying to cut off a few seconds of his time in the 600 meter
So? Second amendment!!!!!