Good morning and welcome to the news:

News you may have missed: AOC called out:

"Former MLB star Kevin Youkilis called out Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez , D-N.Y., after the lawmaker reacted to the attack on those who called for the release of Israeli hostages in Hamas captivity in Boulder, Colorado, over the weekend.

Ocasio-Cortez wrote in a post on social media on Monday she was "horrified" by the attack."

"My heart is with the victims and our Jewish communities across the country," she added. "Antisemitism is on the rise here at home, and we have a moral responsibility to confront and stop it everywhere it exists."

The two-time World Series champion, who is Jewish, called out Ocasio-Cortez and wondered what she had done to confront those who have called for intifadas in New York.

"Jews are targeted with violence and it's the same virtue signal post time and time again," he wrote on X in response. "What have you done to confront those calling for intifadas in NYC? Until you create a plan of action, your repeated virtue signaling after the violence occurs holds no weight."

Youkilis is mostly known for his time with the Boston Red Sox, but he played for the New York Yankees in the final year of his MLB career in 2013.

When asked what he wanted the Democrat lawmaker to do, Youkilis responded, "Confront the radical mobs chanting for intifadas in NYC."

AOC faces criticism from World Series champion over Boulder response | Fox News

News you may have missed: AOC called out:

Big deal. This guy has no more or less "credibility" than any other American. 

I'm going to try to make it a conversation. Do you think America has an antisemitism problem?  And is it coming from the left?

Antisemitic Attitudes Across the Ideological Spectrum - Eitan Hersh, Laura Royden, 2023

Antisemitism has become a growing concern in the United States. Antisemitic hate crimes are frequent ( Feinberg 2020 ). Perceived concerns about the seriousness of antisemitism are high ( Smith and Schapiro 2019 ). According to a 2020 poll, 62% of Americans and 88% of Jewish Americans consider antisemitism a problem. Over 80% of Jewish identifiers agreed in 2020 that antisemitism had increased over the previous 5 years. ¹

The relationship between ideology and antisemitism—whether the prejudice exists primarily on the political left or right, or both—has long been debated. ²   Recent public-facing accounts continue to examine both the right and the left as hotspots for antisemitism ( Weiss 2019 ;   Lipstadt 2019 ).

Right-wing antisemitism in the U.S. has driven incidents like synagogue shootings in 2018 and 2019. White nationalists were seen in Charlottesville in 2017 chanting “Jews will not replace us,” and in the 2021 siege on the Capitol they were seen with pro-Holocaust paraphernalia. ³   Violent right-wing antisemitism has also been resurgent in Europe. ⁴   Violent antisemitic attacks have also come from the ideological left. For instance, during a period of warfare between Israel and Palestine in the spring of 2021, pro-Palestinian activists in the U.S. violently attacked Jewish American diners and pedestrians in Los Angeles and New York, shouting messages including “Fuck Jews.” ⁵

Recent incidents of violent antisemitism could be unrepresentative of views in the broader public, but they could also be extreme manifestations of attitudes commonly held among those on ideological extremes. The recent prevalence of non-violent antisemitism from the ends of the ideological spectrum may suggest the latter. On the right, there are many reports of antisemitic harassment of journalists. ⁶   On the left, there are reports that extreme negative views toward Israel are socially acceptable guises for antisemitic attitudes ( Marcus 2007 ;   Cohen et al. 2011 ,   2009 ). Democratic President Joe Biden himself, when he was his party’s nominee for President in 2020, claimed, “Criticism of Israel’s policy is not anti-Semitism, but too often that criticism from the left morphs into anti-Semitism.” ⁷   Anti-Israel activism on college campuses has been the focus of several accounts of left-wing antisemitism ( Marcus 2007 ).  

That is the dodge.

Again: Is the antisemitism coming from the left?

KINSELLA: Vast majority of antisemitism coming from far-left, report finds
Vast majority of antisemitism coming from far-left, report finds | Toronto Sun

  Major Jewish groups leave Combat Antisemitism Movement after video blaming 'woke-ism' for antisemitism - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Two major U.S. Jewish groups have at least temporarily exited a coalition called the Combat Antisemitism Movement after it published a video blaming the recent rise in antisemitism on “woke ideology.”

Combat Antisemitism, which presents itself as a broad-based, nonpartisan coalition fighting bigotry, removed the video from its website this week, as the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, a  national liberal public policy group , and Jewish Federations of North America both criticized it.

Those groups’ criticism followed questions by Arno Rosenfeld, a journalist at the Forward who has reported on the Combat Antisemitism Movement’s origins and funding and  first reported the groups’ exit from the movement . On Friday, Rosenfeld  called attention to the video , which was first published in early June, pointing out on Twitter that it condemns not only anti-Israel activity but also progressive ideas about race and class as fueling antisemitism. 

“How does woke-ism, an ideology which purportedly calls for diversity, equity and inclusion, fan the flames of antisemitism?” asks the video, a copy of which the Forward has posted. “It’s not complicated once you truly understand the foundations of woke-ism.” 

It then embarks on an explanation, arguing that proponents of “woke-ism” separate society into the oppressed and oppressors, putting Jews in the latter category and rendering them as legitimate targets. 

“It was deeply disturbing and concerning,” Amy Spitalnick, the JCPA CEO, told the Forward on Tuesday. “The video suggested progressivism, and certain progressive communities, are inherently antisemitic.”

JFNA temporarily removed its name from a list of partners on Friday after Combat Antisemitism did not immediately pull the video, a spokesperson told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

The episode reflects the politicization of efforts to fight antisemitism even among those who say they are nonpartisan. Ideological operatives and their supporters have tended in recent years to highlight antisemitism from their political opponents and have argued over which political camp is the more fertile breeding ground for antisemitism as well as when or whether anti-Zionism constitutes anti-Jewish bigotry. In this case, Combat Antisemitism, which is funded by a Republican donor, blamed recent reported increases in antisemitic incidents on a left-wing ideology and even attributed some instances of far-right antisemitism to the left.

A third group that is listed on the group’s website as a partner, the American Jewish Committee, was critical of the video but did not quit. 

“AJC has long urged society’s leaders to be swivel-headed when it comes to combating antisemitism and to guard against any efforts to politicize the fight against antisemitism,” the group told the Forward. “This video fell far short of this call.”

The video’s focus on “woke-ism” reflects a hobbyhorse for some conservatives, including  a handful of Jewish leaders . The term “woke” was originated by Black Americans to describe awareness of racial inequity but now more often functions as shorthand for conservative criticism of progressive values.

The video offered multiple examples of “left-wing” antisemitism that actually reflect far-right activity, such as the display of a banner by members of the Goyim Defense League, a white supremacist group. 

People who want to see a more extensive report on the group Vic used as a source can follow this link

Dark money, questionable allies fuel Combat Antisemitism Movement

Groups like this want to have objections to Israels policies about the Palestinians categorized as always anti-semitism, in other words to put the Israeli government beyond the reach of legitimate criticism. 

We have also seen this tactic on Newstalkers. 

Hilarious coming from someone who posts tweets from people no one has ever heard from and tries to make them an authority on the subject.

This guy has no more or less "credibility" than any other American. 

AOC being one of those other Americans he has more credibility than.

Don't forget Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi

And is it coming from the left?

From both sides with above and below tossed in.

AOC being one of those other Americans he has more credibility than.

Sheesh, doesn't AOC believe in Jewish space lasers yet?

Again: Is the antisemitism coming from the left?

No.

Is anti-genocide coming from the left? Yes. They don't fucking care who is doing it. They want to stop the indiscriminate bombing of innocent women and children. "But, but what about blah blah blah?" Don't fucking care, stop bombing innocent women and children. "But what if I challenge what the definition of "innocent" is, then is it alright to murder women and children in their sleep?". "It's as okay and justified for you to bomb them indiscriminately as it was for them to attack and bomb us and kill our women and children indiscriminately".

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.”  Mahatma Gandhi

And, to pre-empt the useless dipshits who will inevitably try to make this some "Democrats hate Jews" thing when nearly 80% of American Jews are democrats all because conservatives can't admit what's really in their hearts because that would sabotage their rightwing conservative Christo-fascist agenda, no, Democrats do not support Hamas or any fucking terrorists, especially not those Muslim or rightwing conservative Christian mother fuckers who are basically two sides of the same fucking violent religious conservative coin.

Emphatically.  (Although, I do not claim the gratuitous vulgarities in the comment.) CB blushes.

when nearly 80% of American Jews

Yup that is the paradox I've noted.


"Democrats hate Jews"

Take a good look at the democrat party. Look at what it has become.

That is the answer the left keeps giving.

By murdering Jews and harassing Jewish students?

It would make it a lot easier if you could answer a question without submitting an opinion piece.

The rest of this thread was removed for no value. 

KINSELLA: Vast majority of antisemitism coming from far-left, report finds

Pretty sure that hating Netanyahu and his fascism has nothing to do with antisemitism.

AOC will be back to pushing hamas propaganda tomorrow, stirring up the next terrorist attack. 

In AOC's latest interview she says Palestinians ‘have no choice but to riot’ against Israel."

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... more outrage from the party of selective memories.

Far right wing fascism can't be ignored.

I think we can all agree that antisemitism is now a major problem in the US.

I don't think we can agree to that.  The sheer number of antisemitic attacks from the left is evident of that.  

They defend it by pretending that it is anti-Israeli policy.

It involves violence.  Naturally the left will support it.

The violence has become normalized. They are quite angry aren't they?

They are quite angry aren't they?

I guess that's the result of running on such a bad platform that NOBODY wants anything to do with you.  

Plus, all the lies and tricks.  I'm so tired of all the lies.

I'm so tired of all the lies.

You and I both.  If they "know the truth" then why are they fabricating so much false nonsense and why are they consistently WRONG.  

Ideology.

They are doing whatever it takes to get us all to their utopia. George Orwell warned us long ago.

They defend it by pretending that it is anti-Israeli policy.

Do you believe it is not possible to say something against Israel without being antisemitic?

Of course, but what is Israel doing other than protecting itself? 

And trying to limit civilian casualties, because Hamas uses them as human shields.

No lefty on this ever condemns Hamas and their Palestinian supporters....why?

As a voting democrat: I CONDEMN HAMAS for its negativity, terroristic actions and activities, murder, and harming Palestinians through intimidation and killings.

Do you believe it is not possible to say something against Israel without being antisemitic?

Though that double negative is tricky to navigate, they "don't" (meaning they don't believe it's not possible aka they believe it is possible, to say something against Israel without being antisemitic) if you're a rightwing conservative. If you're on the left, then anything you say about Isreal, whether negative or positive, will be viewed by those on the right as antisemitic.

Of course, but what is Israel doing other than protecting itself?

Have you tried Googling that question? Israel is forcing the relocation of civilian populations and blocking humanitarian aid. It’s not necessary and it’s cruel, perhaps even a war crime.

And trying to limit civilian casualties

If you believe that, they are doing an objectively shitty job of it. As of last month , there are over 50,000 dead in Gaza - about 70% of which are women and children. Over 120,000 people have been wounded. Over 2 million people have been displaced.

No lefty on this ever condemns Hamas and their Palestinian supporters....why?

If you can identify those people, you should ask them directly. I have not seen that. I myself have condemned Hamas numerous times over the years on this site.  That does not mean that I am so thick-headed that I have to support Israel, no matter what they do.

Though that double negative is tricky to navigate

Yeah, I felt a little disoriented myself when I wrote it.

"...there are over 50,000 dead in Gaza - about 70% of which are women and children."

I have to admit I'm not so great at math but that 70% figure does make me think it's one hell of an exaggeration, so instead of just accepting it I did a bit of research, and found this.  I have quoted some selected paragraphs from the study.

Hamas fatality figures for Gaza war are ‘clear disinformation,’ according to new study

"The study found that despite claims by Hamas’s Government Media Office that some 70 percent of fatalities were women and children, figures provided by the Gaza Ministry of Health showed the real rate to be 51%."

"While refusing to disclose how many fatalities were combatants, the Hamas Government Media Office has consistently claimed that some 70 percent of those killed during the war were women and children, using the category as a proxy for non-combatants, in order to allege that the IDF indiscriminately kills Palestinian civilians."

"The authors also pointed out that Hamas does not identify fatalities caused by Gaza-based terror groups’ failed attacks, such as the infamous Al-Ahli Hospital incident in October 2023."

"In addition, a certain number of the 9,000 natural deaths which would be expected to have occurred in Gaza since October 2023 have also been included in the general fatality count for the war."

LINK -> timesofisrael

You might recall the "infamous Al-Ahli Hospital incident in October 2023 which was when a missile MISFIRED by Islamic Jihad struck the parking lot beside the Gaza City hospital and killed about 500 Gazans who were there.  On the reports given by the Gazan press they STILL speak of that tragedy being because of an Israeli bomb, when it has even been ADMITTED that it was not.   You see, Tacos!, I would rather trust what has been reported in the study above tnan believe reports by PROVEN lying Hamas who use women and children as human shields, which even a kid would know is using such misinformation to mislead the general public and build up sympathy for their cause and hatred for the Israelis for the bleeding hearts of the world to believe, and as I see from what you've written, they do it very successfully. 

"The study found that despite claims by Hamas’s Government Media Office that some 70 percent of fatalities were women and children, figures provided by the Gaza Ministry of Health showed the real rate to be 51%

Even if it’s only 51%, that’s still terrible. The point is that Israel is killing, wounding, and displacing WAY more civilians than they should, while denying them aid, and it’s not necessary. They could do a cease fire tomorrow, and bring in international help to both help the civilians and control the violence. But they won’t because they have committed to the unachievable goal of completely eliminating Hamas.

Obviously it means nothing to you that Hamas hides its militants, weapons and contol centres in and under hospitals, schools, mosques, UNRWA facilities and refugee camps, using the civillians as human shields.  Now why is it that Israel has NO CHOICE but to totally eradicate Hamas, even though you blame Israel for the collateral dsmage that is caused by Hamas?  Do you also blame America for HIroshima and Nagasaki?

Here is why Israel has no choice but to continue this war until the last Hamas mlitant is standing.

Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel

Ghazi Hamad, of terror group’s politburo, hails assault in which civilians were systematically murdered, saying ‘there will be a second, a third, a fourth’;   US official: ‘Chilling’

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Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad speaks in an interview with Lebanese channel LBC on October 24, 2023. (Screenshot: X; used in accordance with Clause 27a of the Copyright Law)

LINK -> Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel | The Times of Israel

Of course, but when foreign students begin rioting on American universities chanting: "from the river to the sea" and "kill the Jews," even before Israel responded to the Oct 7th attack, I sincerely doubt that it was anything other than antisemitism.

No lefty on this ever condemns Hamas and their Palestinian supporters....why?

Condemn Hamas? Absolutely! All Palestinian's? No. Do you think ALL Palestinians are terrorists? I would be very careful with your reply. 

SOME Palestinians are terrorists.  I've witnessed it with my own eyes.

And what I noticed was that it was the far right that attacked. 

Um, he entered the country legally. Once again, trump lied. 

What Trump got right was that he was here illegally and that he was truly an anti-American radical. Wait until you see what Trump just did about it.

Has Trump ever not lied?

Why is he wearing a Trump ear bandage ? 

Most likely the savage animal burned himself.

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He was so full of hate, he wasn't careful of handling all the Molotov cocktails he had made.

Or maybe he didn't even care about his own safety.

His motive, his actions, his burnt head.... I chalk it up to stupidity.  

He is one of the crazies from the middle east. Should never have been here.

his burnt head

I chalk that up to a common device malfunction for terrorists , premature detonation ....

device malfunction for terrorists , premature detonation

Those were highlight reels during operational briefings in Afghanistan.

premature detonation

Achmed's cousin? 

that photo makes it look like he raided some womans sanitary napkin drawer.

one of the articles i read , a witness stated that he caught himself on fire  while in the act.

Justice Department launches investigation into Biden's pardons, autopen: report

The Justice Department is launching an investigation into former President Biden's pardons and use of autopen, according to a report.

Reuters reviewed  an email sent by U.S. pardon attorney Ed Martin on Monday, in which he wrote that the investigation involves whether Biden "was competent and whether others were taking advantage of him through use of AutoPen or other means."

Trump has  claimed  that Biden used autopen for pardons and did not sign the pardons or know anything about them.

It is unknown whether Biden used autopen on pardons. However, the Oversight Project, an investigative arm of the conservative Heritage Foundation, alleged  excessive use of autopen signature  by Biden when he was in the White House.

"We gathered every document we could find with Biden's signature over the course of his presidency. All used the same autopen signature except for the announcement that the former President was dropping out of the race last year," the Oversight Project said in March. The organization questioned "who controlled the autopen" because "they controlled the presidency."

Justice Department launches investigation into Biden's pardons, autopen: report | Just The News

Last month,  Martin told ABC News , "I do think that the Biden pardons need some scrutiny. And they need scrutiny because we want pardons to matter and to be accepted and to be something that's used correctly.

There is A LOT that can be reversed or rescinded if it's found the autopen was improperly utilized by unauthorized people.  It  could cause the complete destruction of how things are done in D.C..  To a certain extent, that is a good thing.

IMO unless someone comes forward and confesses to using the autopen while keeping Biden out of the loop on this, I doubt if anything will be overturned. The power of the Presidental Pardon is constitutional and almost unlimited. 

I didn't like the pre-emptive pardons that Biden issued but consider what the future, as the majority in power changes, may bring. Can we make Washington any more dysfunctional as an out-going administration issues all sorts of pardons, and the new administration spends the first six to twelve months overturning and prosecuting all those who were pardoned. 

I don't see this being run like Democrat "investigations".  It won't be over and dismissed in a day.  The possibilities of things being overturned is small but not zero.  

I expect Jill Biden to tell Joe that he has to go out and tell everyone that he authorized every signature.

If that's the pathetic excuse they will run with, an authorization like that needs to be documented.  I'm betting that documentation will be missing or forgred.

an authorization like that needs to be documented.

If that is true, they got 'em!

You mean the Trump owned far-from-justice department?

One article i found stated he is 45, had been planning this for a year and waited until one of his kids graduated, and the victims ranged from 52 to 88 in age .

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Trump threatens ‘large-scale’ fines on California after trans athlete wins girls’ track events



Trump threatens 'large-scale' fines on California after trans athlete wins girls' track events

Has anyone ever noticed that these trans gender males who enter women's sports are never the best on the men's side of the sport in question. It always seems that some low-level trans athlete moves over to women's spots and then takes home the trophy.

And yet according to your remark, if she was  "the best men's athlete' it would fuel the right-wing noise machine that women are beset by. . .   . . . by what exactly? High-level trans-athletes? Some statements simply don't work in the aggregate!

This fight, this argument, is not with the trans-athletes. . . it is with the athletic authorities which run the leagues and events. Of course, MAGAites wish to "message" the queerness because it makes better 'copy' and noise in their trans—  culture war.

Of course, Governor Newsom and Trump are dropped in to the picture frame for contrast and to stir up feelings about politics. . . even though these two officials do NOT control sports leagues or organizations.

And yet according to your remark, if she was  "the best men's athlete' it would fuel the right-wing noise machine that women are beset by

According to Vic's comment is in plain English:

low-level trans athlete moves over to women's spots and then takes home the trophy

He's not wrong.  Not sure where you got all that other nonsense.

Of course aggression-bias won't permit understanding that I took Vic's comment to its next level by invert the subject-matter. That would be too easy. As it demonstrates the truth is there is always going to be something for the 'disagree-ables' to attach themselves to—negatively.

What Vic wrote (first): Has anyone ever noticed that these trans gender males who enter women's sports are never the best on the men's side of the sport in question. 

By the way (Vic), transgendered males do not "enter women's sports" because well, it's obvious, they are classified as males. Wanted to play females sports they would have to (be better to) stay female. (Yes, I know what you TRIED to do there in the 'blue' type.)

This fight, this argument, is not with the trans-athletes. . .

Of course it is.

Athletes are supposed to value fair competition.  Boys/men competing in women's sports knowingly claim an unfair advantage.  In doing so they dishonor themselves, much like a 16 year old kid playing in the 10 year old basketball league.

They're not innocent in this.  They know exactly WTF they're doing.

Boys/men competing in women's sports knowingly claim an unfair advantage.  In doing so they dishonor themselves, much like a 16 year old kid playing in the 10 year old basketball league.

Using your analogy, the obvious is you expect the "boys" (as you wish to see them) to be ashamed of themselves and withdraw or not bother to enter into girls and women sporting activities. To cancel themselves. 

That totally ignores the fact that sports leagues and international organizations have OPENED slots for each entrance into women's sports. That is, if the leagues and international community forbade entry—how would the trans-athletes win if they can't participate? 

MAGAites are going after the trans-athletes (few in numbers anyway) instead of the "permission givers." See? I have now given MAGAites their focal-point for this. . .and I suspect these leagues and officials will be given the 'treatment' appropriately.

In any case, it may just be a continuation of the 'productive' culture war that rages indefinitely as a wedge issue dividing voters.

I find it interesting (disturbing?) when so-called "real men" find it reasonable and convenient to call males with a trans-mindset, heavily into taking female hormones, and potentially with a "female sex organ": "boys and men."

What I find truly amazing in this is that most everybody who comments here is old enough to remember when Title IX first came into being and why it was needed. To just throw that away for the current partisan drama...

Title IX first came into being

Title IX ,

clause of the 1972 Federal Education  Amendments , signed into law on June 23, 1972, which stated that “no person in the  United States  shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to  discrimination  under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” In 2002, following the death of its coauthor, U.S. Rep.  Patsy Takemoto Mink , Title IX was officially renamed the Patsy Takemoto Mink Equal Opportunity in Education Act.

Although Title IX applies to a variety of programs, it has received the most attention for its impact on athletics, especially at the  collegiate  level. An  amendment  introduced in 1974 to exclude income-generating  sports  from Title IX coverage was rejected, and it was followed by like-minded amendments in 1975 and 1977, both of which also failed. In 1975 provisions that specifically prohibited  sex discrimination  in athletics and provided educational institutions with three years to fulfill the requirements of Title IX were signed into law. Attempts to curtail Title IX enforcement continued into 1978, but the following year the  Department of Health, Education, and Welfare  (HEW) issued a final interpretation of Title IX’s effect on intercollegiate athletics, in which HEW  mandated  that educational institutions provide  equal opportunity  to men and women in athletic programs. Upon its establishment in 1980, the  Department of Education  was given the responsibility of overseeing  compliance  with Title IX through its Office for Civil Rights.

Opponents of Title IX achieved a short-lived victory in the 1984 lawsuit  Grove City  v.  Bell,  the decision of which stated that Title IX affected only those programs that directly receive federal assistance; this eliminated the clause’s applicability to athletics programs. In 1988, however, the Civil Rights Restoration Act overrode  Grove City  v.  Bell,  stating that Title IX applied to all programs and activities of any educational institution receiving federal financial assistance. Beginning in 1996, under the terms of the 1994  Equity  in Athletics Disclosure Act, all coeducational colleges and universities participating in federal student financial aid programs were required to submit annual reports with information about their intercollegiate athletics programs to determine Title IX compliance.

Failure of educational institutions to comply with Title IX legislation led to various lawsuits, culminating in the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in  Franklin  v.  Gwinnett County Public Schools  (1992). The court ruled unanimously that  punitive damages  should be awarded to plaintiffs when it can be proved that an institution intentionally evaded compliance with Title IX. According to the Title IX clause, each  college  and  university  must have a ratio of male-to-female athletes that is equal to its ratio of male-to-female students, but a school is still in compliance with Title IX if it has a proven record of expansion in an effort to reach the correct ratios.

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So there is Title IX (above) what about it do we need to discuss?

What Vic wrote (first): Has anyone ever noticed that these trans gender males who enter women's sports are never the best on the men's side of the sport in question.

And there is nothing wrong with what he said.   

That's digression. Let's move on.

Exactly did he say that was wrong in that statement.  

Using your analogy, the obvious is you expect the "boys" (as you wish to see them)

Because that's what they are.

to be ashamed of themselves and withdraw or not bother to enter into girls and women sporting activities. To cancel themselves. 

They should not enter into girls or women's sporting activities.   They should instead enter sporting activities open to all participants. 

Only if they enter women's events should they be ashamed.  The source of that shame has nothing to do with their transgenderism.  It is 100% about their exploitation of their unfair advantage.

That totally ignores the fact that sports leagues and international organizations have OPENED slots for each entrance into women's sports.

The emphasis on that fact totally ignores the political bullying that has driven those decisions.

That is, if the leagues and international community forbade entry—how would the trans-athletes win if they can't participate? 

Now that they can expect reasonable protection from the political and legal ramifications of left wing politics, they have started to do so.

I find it interesting (disturbing?) when so-called "real men" find it reasonable and convenient to call males with a trans-mindset, heavily into taking female hormones, and potentially with a "female sex organ": "boys and men."

Not nearly as disturbing as when the rest of us learn about things like the collegiate women swimmers being forced to change in the same room with Leah Thomas and his male genitalia.

The complete insanity of allowing these people to hijack the gay rights movement and try to use that to bully gay people and the rest of us into accepting this complete absurdity will long be seen as one of the great political case studies in modern history.

(HEW) issued a final interpretation of Title IX’s effect on intercollegiate athletics, in which HEW  mandated  that educational institutions provide  equal opportunity  to men and women in athletic programs.

This.

Title IX requires "equal opportunity".  HEW has maintained for decades that merely allowing women to try out for men's sports does not constitute compliance with the act.   Everybody understands that women are not going to make the men's team, so that is not an "equal opportunity".

That's why we have women's sports.  It's not because they sell lots of tickets.  Every women's sport offered at the high school or collegiate level is revenue negative.

Women's sports exist because asking them to compete athletically against men is obviously fundamentally unfair to them.  Every athlete and every coach knows this, which is why trans athletes trying to take advantage of their situation is so objectionable.

What Vic wrote (first): Has anyone ever noticed that these trans gender males who enter women's sports are never the best on the men's side of the sport in question. 

None of sissy male failures is a "she", and they're all emotionally fucked up

See 7.1 first paragraph for a response.

Because that's what they are.

Guess what then: Your issue is not with the trans-athletes as I shared already, it is with the authorities that formulate the rules of female sports. What too much to deal with in them?

Not nearly as disturbing as when the rest of us learn about things like the collegiate women swimmers being forced to change in the same room with Leah Thomas and his male genitalia.

Please, they don't have to see his genitalia. BTW, in boys and men's dressing room guys hide "the dick" from other guys because they don't know who wants it from those that don't want it. Anyway, potentially girls want more than a 'limp noodle' dangling-if they care about it at all. Stop with the FALSE MODESTY. Anyway, they can make 'accommodation' for that. A screen, curtain, or big towel.

The complete insanity of allowing these people to hijack the gay rights movement and try to use that to bully gay people and the rest of us into accepting this complete absurdity will long be seen as one of the great political case studies in modern history.

Well, that may be true. As it will certainly FUEL another cycle of culture war for as long as I can see into the future. But, we do not get to pick the hill to die on; sometimes the 'hill' picks us! 

Finally, I will stand with trans-people right to exist. It is harmless. And somewhere there is a practical solution to this women's sporting dilemma-which will involve the sports world authorities. I hope they can find their remedy and fix it for all our sakes.

I think Jack laid it out very well in 7.1.11.

A transgender female who has gone thru puberty has a biological advantage over a traditional female. Allowing such individuals to compete with females is not truly equal opportunity. 

As was pointed out above (and you try to ignore) is that several of these transgender females were not very good at their sports as a male yet were able to place and medal in the girl's arena. 

Women's sports exist because asking them to compete athletically against men is obviously fundamentally unfair to them.  Every athlete and every coach knows this, which is why trans athletes trying to take advantage of their situation is so objectionable.

Once again, you have left the obvious out of the argument you're making, that is: If "Every athlete and every coach knows this, . . . " Then, why are trans-athletes permitted to OPENLY cause "objection"? Trans-athletes are "contestants" they are not OFFICIALS setting rules. Which means, if one trans-athlete does not take advantage of the opportunity out there to be had. . . a new generation of trans-athletes up and coming will surely fill the void left empty.

Thank you for telling us how you really feel. So now we know who you (really) are.

Look. I don't have to ignore Jack. I heard his response and gave the obvious question that lies at the center of this, which has not been given a direct argument against: 

Guess what then: Your issue is not with the trans-athletes as I shared already, it is with the authorities that formulate the rules of female sports. What too much to deal with in them?

Trans-athletes do not write the policies or rules of women's sports. They are simply put: participants.

Don't like their participation in female sports: Change the official rules. Ban them. (I am sure MAGAites are trying just that!)

A transgender female who has gone thru puberty has a biological advantage over a traditional female. Allowing such individuals to compete with females is not truly equal opportunity. 

I agree. They should be treated no different than a female athlete who had been taking testosterone, because that's basically what they are claiming they are.

With that said, this should be the fucking LEAST worry anyone has. If you're getting all pissed off about a single random High School in California having a trans athlete competing, then you really have too fucking little to do and to worry about. You should be thanking your fucking stars that's apparently the biggest threat to your world view so get over yourselves and just shut thee fuck up and move on. The number of trans athletes taking other people's medals in athletic competitions is likely about the same threat as athletes moms trying to fuck their teammates. Does it happen? I'm sure it does, but is it some epidemic? Of course not. These are just cherry-picked outliers that the rightwing cry-ma-torium are desperate to whine about because they've got nothing better to do with their miserable lives.

Does it happen? I'm sure it does, but is it some epidemic? Of course not. These are just cherry-picked outliers that the rightwing cry-ma-torium are desperate to whine about because they've got nothing better to do with their miserable lives.

It's a living breathing "culture war issue" that will keep appearing like "Jason" rising from the dead every election cycle. Why? Because it helps keeps conservative-traditionalists—evangelicals aligned and locked in their 'seats' with a solid vote against any and all liberal candidates every two and four years! It's a utility: not a bug.

Guess what then:

I don't need to guess.

Your issue is not with the trans-athletes as I shared already, it is with the authorities that formulate the rules of female sports.

As I've described, it's with both.  They should not be permitted to compete in women's sports, and they should refuse the chance if it arises.

Please, they don't have to see his genitalia.

That is not how they describe it.  Even if it's true, that and the rest of the paragraph are the traditional sad rationalizations where you and other desperate trans defenders attempt to minimize the rights of women.  You don't seem to see how that backfires for them.

As it will certainly FUEL another cycle of culture war for as long as I can see into the future.

I'm not so sure.  I think America as a whole is pretty much done with this particular chapter of nonsense.

Finally, I will stand with trans-people right to exist.

I agree completely.

It is harmless.

To the extent we are protecting women, and to the extent we're protecting children from making permanent decisions that they may come to regret quite horribly later, I would also agree.  

And somewhere there is a practical solution to this women's sporting dilemma-which will involve the sports world authorities. I hope they can find their remedy and fix it for all our sakes.

All but a microscopically small group of competitive athletes played until somebody told us we weren't good enough.  For most people that's at 12 or 13, for others it's in high school, for some of us it was in college, and for the very best athletes, it's after they've taken a shot at playing professionally. 

Until there are enough trans athletes to form trans leagues, they just need to compete in open leagues. If they're not good enough, that's OK.  That's normal.  By age 14 or 15, most kids aren't good enough.  It's a normal part of life.  

Then, why are trans-athletes permitted to OPENLY cause "objection"? Trans-athletes are "contestants" they are not OFFICIALS setting rules.

As I have already said.... because of potential political and legal pressures.  

Most of them want to protect the integrity of the sport but don't have the money for the legal fees.

I agree. They should be treated no different than a female athlete who had been taking testosterone, because that's basically what they are claiming they are.

Absolutely.  Play in the open leagues.  It's just so simple.

If you're getting all pissed off about a single random High School in California having a trans athlete competing, then you really have too fucking little to do and to worry about.

 Funny how you don't seem to use that idea in both directions.

"If you're all pissed off about a single trans athlete not getting to play with the women, then you really have too fucking little to do and to worry about." 

Excellent.  We'll just keep things the way they've been for decades and ignore the insanity of the outraged leftists who have "nothing better to do with their miserable lives".

Women's sports are for women, not for mediocre male athletes with a mental illness who need to boost their egos. 

Funny how you don't seem to use that idea in both directions. "If you're all pissed off about a single trans athlete not getting to play with the women, then you really have too fucking little to do and to worry about." 

I don't mind it either direction. Like I said, they should be treated just as if they'd been doping so clearly, I wouldn't be upset if they were not allowed to compete.

We'll just keep things the way they've been for decades and ignore the insanity of the outraged leftists who have "nothing better to do with their miserable lives".

Not sure what you mean by this one, not much has actually changed for most people other than the narratives everyone is talking about. No trans athlete issues in the other some 3900 High Schools in CA or the tens of thousands of high schools across the nation. I'm sure there will be a handful of issues here and there, though I'm sure rightwing conservative media will spend some 30%+ of their airtime covering that handful and all these dimwitted rubes will be able to think about is the "crazy leftists who want boys competing with girls!" blah blah bla fucking blah." I'm really fucking sick and tired of it.

As I've described, it's with both.  They should not be permitted to compete in women's sports, and they should refuse the chance if it arises.

Why refuse "the chance"? Do any MAGAites refuse "the chance" to participate in any event that would stir controversy—especially against liberals?

To the extent we are protecting women, and to the extent we're protecting children from making permanent decisions that they may come to regret quite horribly later, I would also agree.  

Okay, you have no "special pleading" that makes MAGAites supporters of girls and women. Against 'who' anyway? A 'handful' of trans-athletes trying to exist in a world where people like you try to turn girls and women against others trying to find a way of expression? 

The sports authorities (leagues, organizations) run the sports 'world,' not trans-gendered participants.

And somewhere there is a practical solution to this women's sporting dilemma-which will involve the sports world authorities. I hope they can find their remedy and fix it for all our sakes.

All but a microscopically small group of competitive athletes played until somebody told us we weren't good enough.  For most people that's at 12 or 13, for others it's in high school, for some of us it was in college, and for the very best athletes, it's after they've taken a shot at playing professionally. 

I don't know how to process this paragraph. That is, I don't know what/how you mean it.

Jack, Jeremy's position is: Trans-athletes should disqualify themselves. Yet, the same MAGAites do not ever disqualify themselves from an "advantage" or privilege granted (or taken by) them. Trans-athletes could disqualify themselves, but it would not gain any organization or league anything since it plans to leave the "provision" open as it stands.

Prove transpeople have mental issues or may be MAGAites are transphobic!

Of course, MAGAites wish to "message" the queerness because it makes better 'copy' and noise in their trans—  culture war.

No, we are defending women and btw we are a party of men.

So he said nothing that was incorrect.

Not sure what you mean by this one,

Very simple.  If the people who object to trans participation need to get on with "their miserable lives", then the same can be said about the proponents. They need to fuck off and stop trying to force everyone else to change to accommodate their emotions.

I'm sure there will be a handful of issues here and there

Why should there be a handful of issues? 

This is one of the dumbest, most batshit, most utterly indefensible things the lunatic fringe tries to push.  Nobody with any sense whatsoever should ever entertain this idea, yet here we are.

I'm really fucking sick and tired of it.

So are the rest of us.  Let's all tell the crazy leftists to fuck off back to whatever hole they crawled out of and leave regular people alone.

Why refuse "the chance"?

We've already talked about this. 

Okay, you have no "special pleading" that makes MAGAites supporters of girls and women.

I'm not sure what this means.  

Against 'who' anyway? A 'handful' of trans-athletes trying to exist in a world where people like you try to turn girls and women against others trying to find a way of expression? 

Against people who seek protection for a condition while exploiting that protection to compete unfairly.  Why should their "expression" (whatever that means) usurp the codified rights of women?   If they want to "express themselves" through sport, they can do it in the open leagues.

Jack, Jeremy's position is: Trans-athletes should disqualify themselves.

That's my position as well.  Athletes are supposed to respect fair play.

Yet, the same MAGAites do not ever disqualify themselves from an "advantage" or privilege granted (or taken by) them.

Example?

Trans-athletes could disqualify themselves, but it would not gain any organization or league anything since it plans to leave the "provision" open as it stands.

The provisions exists because of left wing politics and lawsuits, including a formal ruling by the Biden Administration in 2021.  That's one of the reasons they lost the election.

That meme is ignorant. It shows you know very little about transsexuals. Oh and an adult exposing himself or herself to a child is a crime. So your fear-mongering has loss of shock-value.

Nope. MAGAites are not defending women. . . you're exploiting them and trans-athletes. 

Open leagues in the U.S.A. do you know of any here? Btw, I am learning on the 'fly' here, because I am really not into sports as a hobby or routine interest. But, let's see where this goes. As for trans-athletes, it appears they go where they are 'wanted' and. . .licensed. 

Open leagues in the U.S.A. do you know of any here?

• NFL
• NBA
• MLB
• NHL
• MLS
• Most NCAA sports
• Most HS sports

Btw, I am learning on the 'fly' here, because I am really not into sports as a hobby or routine interest.

I know.  That's OK.

As for trans-athletes, it appears they go where they are 'wanted' and. . .licensed.

If they were wanted in women's leagues, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Now look, it is okay to conceit to facts. (1) I have read that most (if not all) U.S. leagues are 'closed' leagues. Is that true or false to your understanding. (I'm learning.)

We are having this discussion because of official sporting leagues and sporting organizations permitting trans-athletes to participate and medal in girl's and women's matches—"want," or like is not really at issue.

(1) I have read that most (if not all) U.S. leagues are 'closed' leagues. Is that true or false to your understanding. (I'm learning.)

Let's make sure we're using "open" in the same sense of the word.

All of the leagues I listed allow players regardless of gender or gender identity. They are open to anybody.  Although I don't know how a woman transitioning to male would fare with the doping rules.  

There are a few NCAA  and HS sports where they only have women's leagues, most notably softball.  But also volleyball is female only in many areas of the country.  In most sports however, there is a women's league for women and an open league for everybody else.

Still not getting the visual on what you want me to receive from the comment. Give me an example or a link to what you are saying, and I can see (process) it for myself, please. 

Because, as I understand it the national football league is male players only. I don't understand what 'grade' or level an open professional football team fits.

Because, as I understand it the national football league is male players only.

There is no rule prohibiting female players.  It's open to anybody good enough to make a team.

But, have you evidence of female participation on the field in the NFL? Or in any other male dominated sport? Share a link so I can visualize what you are getting us to consider.

If a women's-only league is available, women tend to play there, precisely because men have a massive physiological advantage.

I'm not sure what you're asking.

The simple wording, "women's only"- league is interesting, because as it is right now trans-females (a scant few in number) are permitted entry, participation, and to 'place' into those leagues. 

Besides that, I asked about "open" football leagues, do you have example of them where men and women (I guess) are playing amateur or professional football or basketball, or any other significant ball-type game together?

The simple wording, "women's only"- league is interesting, because as it is right now trans-females (a scant few in number) are permitted entry, participation, and to 'place' into those leagues.

That's the problem.  They're not women.

Besides that, I asked about "open" football leagues, do you have example of them where men and women (I guess) are playing amateur or professional football or basketball, or any other significant ball-type game together?

I'm not sure why you keep asking this.  Title IX pretty much did away with that.  We created women's leagues, so that's where they play.  

I personally have coached 12-14 year old football teams where we had girls playing, because there typically isn't a women's tackle football option.  I had one girl who was a star running back.   But by the time they all got to be 16-18, she wasn't good enough to make the team anymore, and it would have been dangerous for her anyway.

We don't see women in the NBA or NHL or MLS because there aren't any women who are good enough, not because there is a rule prohibiting them.  News flash... the "aren't good enough" label applies to 99.999% of men, also.  That's how pro sports are.

That's the problem.  They're not women.

Well, then the GOP should have no problem getting them out of women's ONLY sports, right? Why is this a problem for the removal? Why do you think the "industry" wants transfemales in women sports? I simply do not understand this issue that remains. . . it's not rocket science. (Or, is it?) 

Besides that, I asked about "open" football leagues, do you have example of them where men and women (I guess) are playing amateur or professional football or basketball, or any other  significant  ball-type game together?

I'm not sure why you keep asking this.  Title IX pretty much did away with that.  We created women's leagues, so that's where they play.  

See 7.1.21 and 7.1.23 (your comments!)

I personally have coached 12-14 year old football teams where we had girls playing, because there typically isn't a women's tackle football option.  I had one girl who was a star running back.   But by the time they all got to be 16-18, she wasn't good enough to make the team anymore, and it would have been dangerous for her anyway.   We don't see women in the NBA or NHL or MLS because there aren't any women who are good enough, not because there is a rule prohibiting them.  News flash... the "aren't good enough" label applies to 99.999% of men, also.  That's how pro sports are.

This 'point' (personal experience) is wasted on this article. Because, we are not talking about athletes "not good enough" in this discussion. And, 'no-tackle football options.' 

Professor Quiet

Well, then the GOP should have no problem getting them out of women's ONLY sports, right?

That's the goal

Why is this a problem for the removal?

Because the previous administration took steps to mandate their inclusion.  We've already discussed those.  

Why do you think the "industry" wants transfemales in women sports?

What "industry" are we referring to?

I simply do not understand this issue that remains. . . it's not rocket science.

You're correct.  It's not rocket science.  It's possibly the most straightforward, obvious issue of the last decade. 

You have people attempting to exploit an unfair advantage against weaker opposition... yet inexplicably.... a small set of elected morons thought this was a good idea.  Just when you think nobody can possibly be that stupid, these lunatics look at you and say "hold my beer".  And then they try to convince everybody they lost the election because everybody else is racist or homophobic.  It's astonishing.

You still dodge the sports authorities, leagues, and organizations permission of inclusion (despite what conservatives say about it). Deal with it. Just deal with it. Or, conservatives can continue to harass the "authorities" in hopes of getting them to throw transsexuals out of the women's' leagues.

It would seem like we have reached a 'fork' in this discussion and we can stop as you can not or will not respond to the sports authority - authority over the subject matter. And I can't give you any additional assistance with that.  

You still dodge the sports authorities, leagues, and organizations permission of inclusion

No, you're just not reading. 

Deal with it. Just deal with it.

They are dealing with it.  Thankfully.

It's actually a great thing for Democrats.  This issue cost them dearly in the last election.  Their need to pander to the hypersensitive LGBT defenders caused them to distance themselves so far from swing voters that half of America said they would rather have Donald Trump than those nutjobs. 

This won't be a touchpoint issue next time.  It will be put right by then, and Democrats can concentrate on things that the majority of America does not find ridiculous.

Their need to pander to the hypersensitive LGBT defenders caused them to distance themselves so far from swing voters that half of America said they would rather have Donald Trump than those nutjobs. 

Well, what can I say. . . but who are you labeling as "nutjobs"? As I have read your comments 'casting' a narrative that you are a friend of homosexuals-even going so far as to vote for what's his name, "Chase" -something? Nutjobs? Ridiculous? huh. Tell us how you really feel there, Jack. 

It is not easy to stand with certain segments of one's tribe. . . in every given set of circumstances, but what can we do? Transsexuals are partially my 'people' - like it or lump it. So there issues draw me in and vice-versa. 

Well, what can I say. . . but who are you labeling as "nutjobs"?

People who defend male participation in women's sports.  

I find it. . . interesting. . . that you consider those who take estrogen shots for femininizing as 'manly' as yourself. Very interesting. Equally important, I won't label you for doing so.

I find it. . . interesting. . . that you consider those who take estrogen shots for femininizing as 'manly' as yourself. 

Well it's your imagination.  I would hope you find it interesting.

Well, glad to see you own it.

Since this is such a rare occurrence, not sure why I should care. Only far right wing fascists seem to. 

And the left wants to gaslight everybody into believing men and women are equal in all aspects.

Suddenly they denied biological facts along with everything else.

And these are the very people who shrieked "follow the science".  

They used science. They no longer feel they need it anymore.

It ain't easy to 'gaslight' (besides gaslighting is immoral) men and women into believing men can have. . . BABIES! There goes your theory of the 'case'! Boom!

The science depends. Because science works for 'all' including transsexuals (and its only going to get better over time). That is the nature of science: Making the impossible-possible. 

Who knows what science with 'stitch' together between a man's or woman's let that make it realer than it is now? Hmm. On that day, your argument will be irrelevant.

So says the 'no-vaccine' party crowd. 

It ain't easy to 'gaslight' (besides gaslighting is immoral) men and women into believing men can have. . . BABIES! 

And yet many of these idiots believe that.  

The science depends.

On what, your narrative?  The science states males cannot be females.  But here you are claiming otherwise.  

I am no claiming any such thing. That is the MAGAite mind trick that won't allow anything other than male or female to exist in it, that is stifling the perspective MAGAites hold. . . . And, I can't fix that for any MAGAite. Science recognizes transmales and transfemales and thus, is not narrow-minded as some humans can choose to be.

I am far better than anybody else male or female. And much better than anybody who comes from a red Southern ignorant state.

Has anyone ever noticed that these trans gender males who enter women's sports are never the best on the men's side of the sport in question. It always seems that some low-level trans athlete moves over to women's spots and then takes home the trophy.

That’s not what happened in California. Under the rules, this trans female athlete made the team without taking a spot from a cis female. Additionally, if she placed for a medal, it would not affect the standings for cis athletes. So, the best she could do was tie for first. She didn’t take anything from anyone.

And by the way, she has been competing as a girl for at least a couple years (without it being a national news story), so it’s not like she was struggling to to compete as a boy and for that reason switched and was instantly dominant. 

This solution allowed everyone to compete without taking opportunity to compete or win from anyone.

Did you read what I said?

The fake females were failures as males.

Your hateful rhetoric notwithstanding, what business is it of yours? This is a high school student who hasn't done harm to anyone.

Surely, MAGAites choose to keep outrage (machine) whirling over and against peaceful resolution and understanding. This is not about sports or females. This is conservative exploitation for political positioning and gain. As it is with abortion, same-sex marriage, and religious liberties.

Your hateful rhetoric

No sir, that belongs to those who are denying basic rights to woman.

That’s not what happened in California. Under the rules, this trans female athlete made the team without taking a spot from a cis female. Additionally, if she placed for a medal, it would not affect the standings for cis athletes. So, the best she could do was tie for first. She didn’t take anything from anyone.

This is an interesting potential compromise.  They're basically taking the trans kid out of the competition and making their participation ceremonial.  I'm curious how that works as you progress up the competition toward state championships.  If the trans kid wins district, do they progress to regionals?  To state?  In a place like California, you could end up  with an entire heat of trans kids by the time you got to the state finals.  

so it’s not like she was struggling to to compete as a boy and for that reason switched and was instantly dominant. 

It rarely is.  But that doesn't change the fact that they have a ridiculous and unfair advantage.

If they aren’t displacing someone on the team or in the standings, and they don’t succeed in an event by overpowering an opponent, then I don’t see the harm. Individual events are uniquely suited to this approach. It wouldn’t work in something like wrestling.

The only other problem I see with this is that the individual trans athlete is arguably enjoying opportunities and accolades they haven’t earned. But at the end of the day, I just don’t care. It’s just school sports, after all, and these athletes are pretty rare and always will be.

If the stakes were different, I would maybe feel differently. 

The only other problem I see with this is that the individual trans athlete is arguably enjoying opportunities and accolades they haven’t earned.

Yeah.  I don't know.   I think the accolades become meaningless pretty quickly, but like you, I don't know if that matters or not.

Would that be more or less like denying equal pay to women which is a stable of the GOP.  How about that "Paycheck Fairness Act". . . I wonder which party-line set of votes TANKED it.  Let me think about it.     /s

It’s already  illegal to pay people differently on the basis of gender. Whoever told you otherwise is lying to you, 

Well yes and no. But, as a conservative you should no that what happened in '63 did not resolve the issue or we would not have "paycheck fairness' bills in congress that are held up from finishing the problem. Or do you think women are pay the same as men?

The antisemitism is coming from the left and the only pushback is coming from the right. 

Many folks on the left have called anyone that does not agree with them a nazi.  Maybe it is time the right called anyone that does not agree with them an antisemite.  Naw, don't want to stoop to their level.

an Egyptian national who was in the US illegally (courtesy of the Biden administration)

According to this story , he overstayed his visa and work permit. Not sure what that has to do with the Biden administration, specifically. Our government, under both Democratic and Republican administrations has been historically poor at going after people who have overstayed their visas. I suspect it would require Congress to allocate resources for that work. Unfortunately, the current administration seems more intent on firing people and refusing to spend resources.

Federal authorities said Soliman was in the country illegally, having overstayed a tourist visa and an expired work permit.

So, he entered legally . That was only three years ago. I don't know how long he was supposed to be here, but he certainly has not been in the country illegally for very long. He could have carried out an attack like this whether he was here legally or illegally, so it doesn't really seem to be relevant.

A police affidavit filed in support of Soliman's arrest warrant said he was born in Egypt, lived in Kuwait for 17 years and moved three years ago to Colorado Springs, about 100 miles (161 km) south of Boulder, where he lived with his wife and five children.

While the current administration is looking to deport people who seem dangerous and put up red flags (nothing wrong with that, in theory, btw), there was no sign of that with this guy.

Federal and local authorities at an afternoon news conference in Boulder said Soliman had done nothing to draw law enforcement attention before Sunday's incident. 

According to this story , he overstayed his visa and work permit. Not sure what that has to do with the Biden administration, specifically.

Biden Administration allowing Sanctuary Shitholes to exist.  Hindered ICE from doing their job to remove this POS.

Four years of doing everything possible to encourage illegal immigration  and prevent their deportation and then pretend it was all out of his control. 

[✘] we have people claiming there is nothing that can be done and it is everyone fault on one article while whing about trump removing illegals on another article because they don't like how he is doing it.

What is your evidence that that has any relevance to this situation? Sanctuary cities typically just decline to report on the immigration status of people they arrest. This guy hadn’t been arrested for anything, so the opportunity never came up.

Four years of doing everything possible to encourage illegal immigration

This guy entered the country legally, so wtf are you talking about?

If only you'd managed to keep reading...

I see you didn't have a relevant response or even a point, so you just mumbled some garbage about reading.

o you just mumbled some garbage about reading.

Your dishonest post isn't worthy anything else. 

You keep saying nothing about the topic. I wonder why that is.

Dont you just love they hypocrisy.

What is your evidence that that has any relevance to this situation?

You just provided that evidence.  Or do you not see how your statement backs up how sanctuary shitholes hindered ICE from doing their job to remove this POS.

You just provided that evidence.

Where?

Or do you not see how your statement backs up how sanctuary shitholes hindered ICE from doing their job to remove this POS.

I do not. I invite you to explain.

It is my view - and also the legal view - that choosing not to assist is not the same as “hinderance.”

You keep expecting something from those who simply can't give you what you want. It's not that they don't want to, they desperately want to be able to defend their hate for immigrants whether here legally or not because let's face it, MAGA is more concerned with what they see as the browning of America, the legal accepting of asylum seekers and the 50 million+ legal Hispanic Americans that live here already. Those are the folk these bigots are truly bitter about, but because they're legal all they can do is take out their weak whiny white angst against the 11 million undocumented immigrants, most of whom have only committed a misdemeanor by overstaying their visa or even crossing the border illegally if it was their first time. But, by the way conservatives tell it, every single undocumented immigrant is a tattooed murderous gang banger hiding around every dark corner in America waiting to rape all the conservative white women or sell fentanyl to your kids. It's the standard demonization that weak cowardly yellow-bellied bigots often employ as a propaganda tactic to justify their blatant unjustified hate, racism and abject fear of losing what they see as "their" white Christian America.

Americans writ large dont want to hear that most of this is the fruits of racism, but it is what it is.  We have been living in the era of white grievance ever since it was obvious Obama would be the nominee in 2008. 

I vote up your comment. That done, I want to say something. . . I can see both sides of this issue. . .1. Aliens (in the thousands) seeking to push their way into a 'better' environment than that which they know. 2. And, residents (in the millions worried and) justified in feeling they are being forced to assent to being pushed aside and 'diluted' in their home country.

What both groups (1., 2.) have in common is a wish for survival. Additionally, one group wants acceptance; the other group wants to maintain control.

I 'dived' into this subject matter here, because I feel strongly that (sigh!) NT never gets to the point where we genuinely talk about the deeper issues and solutions of legal/illegal immigration and amnesty. The 'usual' negative arguments rule and shut down a proper debate about positive ways to understand this dilemma.

To be fair (and we do need to return to the 'middle' for fairness sake (compromise sake), I can understand fear of the Other. Though, I would remind MAGAites of something a wise man once stated: "The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself!" - FDR. 

Marginalized people do not want to change this country into socialism, or 'betray' its white majority, or cause God's 'wrath' to befall all of us! We just want to be free, equal, and normal in the country we love - as it navigates the course it is on upwards.

Granted, like anything that is popular and attractive and strong. . . our nation is a 'magnet' for all types of desires and whims of people from afar. It reminds me of the 'baller' celebrities and musicians who experience the awesomeness of filling stadiums, and the awfulness of having winsome, 'busty,' groupies oozing 'around' and under their doors non-stop at all hours seeking to be near and close.

So yes, we have an ongoing MAGNET problem and we have 'need' of taking (back) control of our national borders, because it is creating chaos in the system. . . and in the residents' minds. All residents here do have a voice and need to be heard on this. . . because they have a right to a proper home. . . and not one that is 'overrun' and worn out due to 'traffic.'

Where?

The second sentence of your comment.  You really need to pay attention.

It is my view - and also the legal view - that choosing not to assist is not the same as “hinderance.”

That's a matter of opinion.

That's a matter of opinion.

No, it's a matter of fact.

Hinderance: noun - a thing that provides resistance, delay, or obstruction to something or someone.

I did not partake in a recent local marathon. Did I hinder the marathon in any way? Of course not. That would be a moronic claim that could only be made by someone who doesn't understand the definition of words. Now I know we are dealing with some folk who disrespect and ridicule education so perhaps they aren't very familiar with the definitions of English words, but that doesn't mean the definitions don't exist or matter.

Sanctuary cities simply refuse to participate in the often gestapo-like effort of ICE to round up undocumented immigrants. They are not "hindering" anything, they simply choose not to work as fucking unofficial ICE agents ready to rat on any and all brown people as the MAGAites want, but I couldn't really care less about what any poorly educated bigoted piece of shit wants so why would I care what the MAGAites think? They can't even get the definition of simple words right.

If anyone believes that it is every Americans duty to report on undocumented immigrants, then apparently, they support calling the police every time you see someone on the roads speeding. Make sure you call 911 immediately if you see someone make an illegal U-turn at a stop light! Make sure you call the police if you see someone jaywalking, because apparently, it's all up to each and every individual to enforce misdemeanors and violations of the law! And we can all thank our MAGAite faithful for turning our nation into a fucking fascist police State where you can be punished for not reporting on your neighbors. If it weren't for programs like that, I mean, how were the Germans expected to round up and murder more than 7 million Jews? So, it's only reasonable for MAGA to adopt those same Nazi tactics of demanding the citizens rat on each other. Perhaps they're hoping to be awarded some gold painted pin from their Dear Leader for their loyalty.

" Individuals who informed on Jews might receive payment, property, or other forms of personal gain. This was particularly true in occupied territories like the Netherlands, where Dutch bounty hunters were paid by the Nazis for turning in Jews, leading to a high number of deportations." "German occupation authorities imposed penalties for those who knew of a Jew's presence outside a designated ghetto and did not report it , which could include deportation to a concentration camp." " The Nazis applied the principle of collective responsibility , meaning that families and even entire local communities could be subject to retribution if someone was found to be helping Jews. This could include fines, confiscation of property, beatings, imprisonment, deportation, or the death penalty. " - Frequently Asked Questions about the Holocaust for Educators - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Failure to notify ICE of an illegal is hindering ICE from doing their job.  But keep spinning.

Failure to notify ICE of an illegal is hindering ICE from doing their job.

So, failure to notify the Highway Patrol of lawbreakers is hindering them from doing their jobs?

The spin is all on conservatives' side as they try to justify their support for fascism.

Fascism  ( / ˈ f æ ʃ ɪ z əm /   FASH -iz-əm ) is a  far-right ,  authoritarian , and  ultranationalist  political ideology and movement. ^{[ 1 ] [ 2 ] [ 3 ]}  It is characterized by a  dictatorial  leader, centralized  autocracy ,  militarism , forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural  social hierarchy , subordination of  individual  interests for the perceived interest of the  nation  or  race , and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

You will never suborn my individual rights for the conservatives' racist motive of keeping America 'white' which is what all this is really about.

That's a matter of opinion.

No, it isn’t. It’s a fact. Now, you will rarely see “hinder” in a statute, but every statute that does criminalize resistance or interference (synonyms for “hinder”) by a person requires some kind of act. Failure to act in support of agents - when there is no legal duty to do so - can NOT be a crime.

State and local law enforcement agencies cooperate with federal authorities voluntarily. There is no law requiring them to take special action in support of ICE. Such a law would be unconstitutional.

The legal doctrine for this position - known as the “anti-commandeering doctrine” - is rooted in the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, which reads as follows:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The federal government has tried and failed, more than once, to compel the states to enforce federal law.

See: New York v United States 505 US 194 (1992); Printz v United States 521 US 898 (1997); and Murphy v NCAA 584 US 453 (2018). This last case reaffirmed the anti-commandeering doctrine.

State and local law enforcement agencies cooperate with federal authorities voluntarily. There is no law requiring them to take special action in support of ICE. Such a law would be unconstitutional.

Perhaps a little more research is in order.................

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Give them time, they'll give some other pathetic excuse.

You are referencing STATE law controlling the actions of STATE and LOCAL law enforcement. STATE government OBVIOUSLY has jurisdiction over STATE agencies.

The FEDERAL government does NOT have jurisdiction over the practices of STATE and LOCAL law enforcement. The anti-commandeering doctrine says that the FEDERAL government cannot force STATE and LOCAL law enforcement to enforce federal law. 

ICE is a FEDERAL agency. STATE and LOCAL agencies cannot be compelled by the FEDERAL government to assist them.

They can if the State and Local Government mandates that they cooperate. Did you miss something?

They can if the State and Local Government mandates that they cooperate. Did you miss something?

So this all started with Biden "allowing sanctuary cities to exist".  How, exactly, was he supposed to compel localities to assist ICE?

Don't get me wrong, he was an absolute fuck-up with regard to immigration, but I'm not sure we can hold him responsible for New York's virtue signalling.

H9ly Fuck, the dishonesty on this thread is staggering. 

They can if the State and Local Government mandates that they cooperate. Did you miss something?

Does Colorado have a law like that? Did YOU miss something? 

No, they do not. I checked. So local authorities in Boulder are not breaking any laws by declining to assist ICE. 

Perhaps if they did, like NC, this shit in Colorado never may have happened. He would have been long gone.

Perhaps if they did, like NC, this shit in Colorado never may have happened. He would have been long gone.

Perhaps.  That assumes that law enforcement would have had some reason to go look for him, which it doesn't appear they would have.

And frankly I dunno about state laws forcing compliance with the US Govt. 

It's not impossible to envision a Democrat winning the WH again and appointing AOC as Director of Homeland Security.  The last thing we want is somebody like that having control over a group like the Texas Rangers.  You and I will be in a gulag somewhere within the first 20 minutes.

Alright. Now that's going deep! This is 'meat' and substance.

"READ! (present tense)" (As in: "This man just "read" (past tense) the opposition!)

The point of all this back and forth is that authorities in Colorado were under no obligation to assist ICE.

But beyond that, there is no reason to think that there is any way in which Boulder authorities could have helped ICE, even if they were required to. They had no contact with this person.

Frankly, there are probably a great many 'radicalized' people in our country who do not even know what their 'trigger' is. The case, this case specifically, seems to be 'over-spillage' from the HAMAS-ISRAELITE war occurring overseas. Looking in from the outside. . . it seems that some people here-rightly and wrongly-will act on their impulses or view of wrongs done overseas. 

And let's be clear, this kind of crap is what some people (internationally) have been cautioning Israel to not go overboard in Gaza. Now, our nation (joined to the hip with Israel) is getting 'spillage' over it.  

To be clear, this man was wrong to attack innocent people in our country. Plain wrong to attack innocent Americans. However, as I note how the media is SEGREGATING what this violent and wrong-headed man shouted ("Free Palestine") from WHERE he did it (U.S.A.) I feel compelled to CONNECT the segments (Palestine-Israel-U.S.A) together for discussion purposes.

Now then: Am I right or wrong to do so?

And let's be clear, this kind of crap is what some people (internationally) have been cautioning Israel to not go overboard in Gaza.

The college campus riots began immediately after the Oct 7th attack, before Israel even responded, so don't try to say it was about the "response."

I am not writing about college campuses. For that matter, those campus 'issues' are not the totality of the problem occurring in context of Jews and Israel. These individuals acting out in several separate scenarios in our country are, to my knowledge, not college students, nor are they going to any campus and acting out. These several individuals in recent news appear to be "old heads." 

Finally, as I stated before criticism of Israel generally-speaking is not anti-Semitic.

Time for the Final Word:



In today's discussion nobody could disprove the obvious, which is that the American left has embraced antisemitism. The reason for it is much different from the antisemitism of the past. The ideology of the left sees Isreal as a privileged, western oppressor and of course, the Palestinians are the oppressed. Thus, to them, any group that is marginalized attains permanent victim status and such groups can't be criticized.

For many American Jews, who have long shared the ideology of the left it is a bitter pill to swallow. They helped create the Frankenstein monster now turned on them. Although he will get no credit in our lifetime, it will be President Trump who wages the war against antisemitism.

"Good night and good luck."

In today's discussion nobody could disprove the obvious, which is that the American left has embraced antisemitism.

So, did you did you stop beating your wife?

Your "final word" should just be "Bullshit" since that is what it amounts to. Trying to claim that those on the left can't "disprove" that they have "embraced antisemitism" is beyond dishonest, it's just down right scum level rhetoric bordering on pure slander. Can Republicans disprove they don't support Nazism or fascism? Please do prove it if you can. If not, then perhaps you can stop these bullshit opinions that you keep trying to force on others as fact.

Trump is a fucking racist antisemite piece of shit, the idea of him "waging a war against antisemitism" is beyond laughable, it's like saying Hitler should have won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Call it BS later. For now you can work on this:

"Colorado Democrats are facing criticism for leading a fundraiser with  Rep. Ilhan Omar  less than an hour after Sunday's antisemitic terrorist attack in which 12 people were hurt, including a Holocaust survivor."

Democrats under fire for Omar event following anti-Semitic Boulder attack | Fox News

For now you can work on this:

Work on what? [deleted] [✘] That's [rich.deleted] [✘] to try and claim this somehow proves Democrats are antisemites. It's beyond moronic on its face, [deleted][✘]

Bull. But it serves no good purpose to digress with a made up mind. Continue with the propaganda. BTW, support for or disagreement against the nation of Israel is not proof of antisemitism and Jewish people are too smart than to let themselves be lectured on what victimization feels like by any privileged non-Jewish white citizen looking to exploit their pain and history of suffering for some weak political gain.

BTW, support for or disagreement against the nation of Israel is not proof of antisemitism

No, but setting Jewish people on fire and harassing Jewish students IS.

In today's discussion nobody could disprove the obvious, which is that the American left has embraced antisemitism. The reason for it is much different from the antisemitism of the past. The ideology of the left sees Isreal as a privileged, western oppressor and of course, the Palestinians are the oppressed. Thus, to them, any group that is marginalized attains permanent victim status and such groups can't be criticized.

Yes, setting Jews on fire would be an example of anti-Semitism. Harassment of Jews (for being) would be another example of anti-Semitism. Thus, when you find a liberal that is. . . joyous or okay with harassing or injuring Jews for being so, then you can take that up with that liberal or liberals. Else, I call bull on you presumptively trying to spread and divide Jews from liberals with a damned set of . . . untruths!

So the lawyer representing the Boulder terrorist has had issues with immigration.  She was suspended for omitting information on her SF-86 and was fired from working as an asylum officer in the Los Angeles Asylum Office for not disclosing her daughters father was an illegal.

Lawyer For Boulder Suspect’s Family Was Banned From Practicing Law For Immigration Misconduct

Oh FFS.