Trump demands unconditional surrender
It finally happened. Iran's day has come. Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian made the mistake of issuing a stern warning to Washington, threatening “more painful responses” if Washington is unable or unwilling to stop Israel in its tracks. That worked for a long time. The idiot must think he is dealing with Biden or Obama.
The president monitored events with his national security team from the Situation Room this morning, with another meeting just beginning at 1 p.m. Trump is “seriously considering” getting the U.S. involved and launching a strike on Iran, Axios’ Barak Ravid and Dave Lawler report .
Israel has destroyed Iran's ability to defend itself. The war can continue on until Iran's nuclear facilities are destroyed. Iran built its facilities deep underground to withstand an air attack. One country has the type of bomb that can penetrate those facilities. The planes necessary to deliver those payloads are the B-2 Stealth bombers, which may be readying for deployment to the middle east. A US Navy task force is building up within the area.
The final epitaph for Iran may be that they tried to make a fool out of Donald Trump as they did to Obama and Biden.
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"The planes necessary to deliver those payloads are the B-29 bombers, which may be readying for deployment to the middle east."
Uh....no! "Doc" and Fifi", the two restored B-29's, are in private hands now.
B-29s Doc and FIFI
IDN, maybe Vic is just trying to tell us how old he is... hehe
I don't know how many times I might have said B-29. I want to thank all my friends here from preventing me from repeating it.
And nobody takes Trump seriously. Everybody with a mind knows that trump is Putin's bitch. He has been for a long, long time.
Bring back the shah
Think of that. Carter let him fall.
Trump would have loved the Shah. Thick as thieves you could say.
Better a corrupt shah than a death cult spreading misery through the world via terrorism.
Of course!
Life Under The Shah | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson
It was indeed a strange episode when the Shah of Iran, former head of one of the world's most brutal and repressive states, managed to land in the U.S. as a "private citizen." For several days leading newspapers published first page stories detailing the treatment of the Shah's cancer, creating a mood conducive to accepting him on humanitarian grounds. Only a few months earlier the press and the U.S. Senate were raising hell about the execution of the Shah's military chiefs and ex-cronies in Iran. They complained bitterly about the violation of due process of law. But they conveniently forgot that the Shah's own military courts (which were unconstitutional) tried as terrorists anyone brave enough to protest his regime. The verdict was often decided beforehand. Where were the passionate defenders of law then?
The Shah systematically dismantled the judicial system of Iran and the country's guarantees of personal and social liberties. His regime consistently violated the codes of law and justice, destroying the dignity of our people by treating them like backward savages to be pulled with an iron hand out of the middle ages into the light of the modern era. Nearly every source of creative, artistic and intellectual endeavor in our culture was suppressed.
The media said little about the 80 percent of peasant families remaining landless, about the growing shanty towns holding the displaced peasants, the misery and alienation of these people ripped from their traditional way of life and subject to new economic and cultural pressures.
The media had less to say about the 60 per cent of adults left illiterate, and the increasing income gap which made Iran one of the world's most unequal societies. Little was heard about the royal family's financial scandals and their heroin smuggling on a global scale.
SAVAK conducted most of the torture, under the friendly guidance of the CIA. which set up SAVAK in 1957 and taught them how to interrogate suspects. Amnesty International reports methods of torture that included "whipping and beating, electric shocks, extraction of teeth and nails, boiling water pumped into the rectum, heavy weights hung on the testicles, tying the prisoner to a metal table heated to a white heat, inserting a broken bottle into the anus, and rape."
The Shah greatly expanded the military and turned it against his own people. With newfound oil wealth the Shah bought $2C million of U.S. arms. The U.S. military trained Iranian officers. Despite claims that a strong army was needed to prevent external agression, its real purpose became clear last year when the army murdered more than 50,000 Iranians fighting the Shah (the number is based on estimates of dead quickly buried after street massacres and compiled throughout the year).
None of which is as bad as what the current regime is doing.
The only difference is the US and Israel had a friend and now they have an enemy that wanted to destroy them with nuclear weapons.
Carter was a fool and a simpleton.
The brutal mistreatment of his own people by the Shah directly led to the theocracy ascending to power in Iran.
Whereas less than 100 political prisoners had been executed between 1971 and 1979, more than 7900 were executed between 1981 and 1985. ... the prison system was centralized and drastically expanded ... Prison life was drastically worse under the Islamic Republic than under the Pahlavis. One who survived both writes that four months under warden Asadollah Lajevardi took the toll of four years under SAVAK . [ 6 ] In the prison literature of the Pahlavi era, the recurring words had been "boredom" and "monotony." In that of the Islamic Republic, they were "fear," "death," "terror," "horror," and most frequent of all "nightmare" ( kabos )." [ 7 ]
But John, it was just as brutal under the Ayatollah. Don't you remember the Green revolt in 2009, when Obama sat back and did nothing?
BTW thanks for the opinion piece.
Why you and Sean are both arguing for the return of a Shah is bizarre.
Not if you are an American or an Israeli.
It’s bizarre that you think the ayatollahs are a better option.
LOL, I never said that.
Have neither.
You are the one hoping for a new shah.
We rational, sane, normal patriotic Americans are hoping that the Iranian people arise and install a charismatic and kind leader who cares about the people
Over the ayatollahs? Of course. Only you seem to take issue with it.
How many Americans died because of the Shah?
How many Americans died because of the ayatollahs?
Fascists of a feather sticking together?
I worked with an imigrant from Iran, who left because of the Ayatollah. She told me life was modern and happy among the people, until the religious terrorism of the Ayatollah and his ilk took over. As much as you want to point out the terrorism imposed upon the people of Iran by the Shah, she, an Iranian who just imigrated, told me different. Who do you think I believe? AND I don't think women in Iran were imprisoned (even to the extent of dying in prison, an actual situation the people of Iran know very well) under the Shaw for NOT covering themselves up like tents or even for not wearing a hibab.
I tend to believe with what an Iranian woman on neutral ground has to tell us as well.
AND I don't think women in Iran were imprisoned (even to the extent of dying in prison, an actual situation the people of Iran know very well) under the Shaw for NOT covering themselves up like tents or even for not wearing a hibab.
Especially considering the Shah's wife never did that.
What I find most hilarious about this whole situation is that Trump is demanding an authoritarian Islamic theocracy to surrender while actively trying to build his own authoritarian Christian theocracy back home. Trump now has basically the same kind of loyalty as the Shahs sycophants.
Trump is mentally erratic, at best.
That is what scares Iran the most!
Trump being insane and unpredictable scares everybody (the whole world). And the far right wing fascists on this sight just piss me off!
‘And the far right wing fascists on this sight just piss me off! ’
Who are these ‘far right wing fascists’ you speak of and what exactly are they doing that is pissing you off?
Not blindly following the narrative. Expecting accountability (i.e. backing up an idiotic claim, etc.). Proving their narrative to be fictional. Laughing at the left's idiotic temper tantrums (of which there is a lot to laugh at).
And it's all self inflicted. You don't have to come on this site.
This Iranian news broadcast kind of said it all:
Bagdad Bob?
Believe it or not that is a woman "news" anchor with an Israeli bomb striking the studio.
The situation room
Now occupied by Trump and military advisers.
Just hours ago, the meeting began.
Thankfully this clown and his loser sycophants will be unceremoniously ejected from the 'situation room' in January 2029.
Believe it or not, one of my in-laws gave me that toilet cleaner brush as a Christmas gift. The cleaning woman thinks I hate Trump.
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IMO Trump is not trying to scare Khomeini. He is laying out the facts for Iranians.
Killing Khomeini, without a line of succession, would spin Iran out of control into chaos. Israel has been taking out the leadership AND their replacements. Khomeini has never been this weak inside Iran. The infighting over replacing Khomeini would divide the country, could become exceptionally bloody, and Iran could end up with a leader worse than Khomeini.
The United States is Iran's life line. Israel can strike with impunity. And the US is not going to stop Israel without an Iranian surrender. Those are the facts.
That would be hard to find.
Maybe. But there doesn't seem to be a shortage of apocalyptic Muslim clerics. Even Shiites believe the end times will create an Islamic paradise on Earth. And there's no room in paradise for non-believers.
Who really paid any attention to Osama bin Laden before Sept. 11? There are plenty of rats hiding the warrens of the Muslim religion.
You have a point. However, the Ayatollah we knew is close to having a nuclear weapon. Trump has a big decision to make.
Even earthquake bombs won't destroy the enriched yellow cake and smelted uranium. If Iran is that close to a bomb then the enriched yellow cake and smelted uranium are already available.
The only way to prevent Iran having a nuclear bomb is to obtain a surrender.
So a whole bunch of nukes is the bottom line?
Maybe some fuel air bombs?
maybe kill them all and let an imaginary god sort it out?
Fuck all far right wing fascists!
No. The bottom line is verifiable monitoring, ending sponsorship of terrorism, and no more attacks on Israel.
Israel could take out Iran's nuclear sites with nuclear weapons. They wouldn't need to be as big as the Hiroshima bomb. A low yield weapon (the size of a nuclear torpedo) would probably be adequate. Obviously that is an undesirable means for obvious reasons.
Iran needs to capitulate and agree to fully implement the nuclear agreements they signed in the past. Although even that might not be sufficient at this point.
Unfortunately, such fanatic Muslims do not surrender. Hamas should have surrendered long ago - and as you can see they are willing to continue their deemed destiny of destroying Israel, down to the last Gazan civilian.
The Iranian people aren't that fanatic. They're actually rather progressive. The problem is the fanaticism of the Iranian leadership. The disconnect between the people and the leadership is why the Iranian government must rely on proxies.
The situation in Gaza could undergo a dramatic change when Iranian support is no longer there. We've already seen the government of Lebanon directly threaten Hezbollah. The removal of Bashir al Assad seems to have removed Syria from Iran's list of proxies (although Turkey could screw that up).
I really was thinking of the leadership. I don't know, but I doubt that the Iranian people danced and sang in the streets and shared candies on 9/11 or Oct 7 like the Palestinians and Gazans did. Why any Americans have any feelings for them at all, espescially when they allow themselves to be used as human shields to blame their deaths on Israel is what I resent. They far outnumbe the militants, they could revolt and succeed like France and the Russians did if they didn't support the extremists.
Evening...hmm if I recall correctly in the Iran Iraq war, Iran used child soldiers as young as 9 to walk out into the mine fields...
They gave them the usual BS and they would be given the keys to paradise and they would go straight to heaven if they died as martyrs against the Iraqi enemy..they must have skipped over the virgins bit for them...
That sounds pretty fanatic to me...
What really gets to me, Shona, is watching the talking heads on the news broadcasts talking about Israel being the agressor, breaking international laws, but ignoring the facts of the years of terrorist attacks on Israel from Lebanon and Gaza, and more recently the Houthies (all Iran's proxies), and Iran also recently fired hundreds of missiles at Israel, and after all, why should Israel have the right to live in peace and not be able to defend itself by cutting off the head of the snake in order to stop its tails from thrashing Israel? I personally experienced one of those attacks when Hezbollah sent kite bombs over northern Israel while I was touring a kibbutz there and I had to run to a shelter. How many members of NT have had to run to a shelter, I wonder? I know exactly why Israel has got to be called the bad guy in all of this, even by world leaders who themselves are not involved, because this gives them an opportunity to release what is really their historical latent feelings. Why would I know? Because even as a young kid I grew up exposed to it and for me it's easy to recognize.
Yes when I was in Israel on the back of hotel doors they didn't have fire escape maps..
They had bomb shelter maps instead which I took great heed of as at the time Israel and Lebanon were fighting each other..
Sitting on the beach at Tel Aviv I watched helicopters flying up and down to the border..I did sneak a photo as it was something I had never seen before...
And at night a run way was lit up near my hotel and they were bringing in the wounded etc..
Went up to the Golan Heights and straight away a helicopter came and checked us out..I was with a tour group etc..
Israel has just as much right to be on this earth as anyone else and when push comes to shove I back Israel all the way....
Thank you for that, Shona. I, too, stood on the precipice of the Golan Heights overlooking Israel and reaslized why it was so necessary for Israel to control it. Syria was one of the countries that invaded Israel and Israel, defending itself, conquered the Golan Heights. Only America, Trump, in his first term, recognized the sovreignty Israel was entitled to have over that land. Although Jordan and Egypt made peace with Israel back then, I don't think Syria ever has, but perhaps with this new government they will realize the benefit of doing so.
We saw the same thing take place in Iraq and Afghanistan. It won't end well for the country. But there is a scenario where this is what is really needed.
The planes necessary to deliver those payloads are the B-29 bombers,
I had read it is the B-2 stealth bomber
Stealth would be essential. Thank you for setting it straight.
Unlike Obama's pallet of cash, they'll be making a much different delivery to Iran.
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