What can you even say at this point?  I suppose, in his defense, as Obama showed  its perfectly good politics for a democrat to coordinate  with literal American hating terrorists.

Still, it's still jarring for a politician in New York to suck up to a WTC bombing conspirator or to pal around with a guy who thinks America deserved 9-11.   But mass immigration and a another generation of teaching kids that America is terrible makes supporting terrorists a popular  path for Democrats less than a quarter century after 9-11. 

And Mamdani runs for mayor in a city where almost a million Jewish Americans live. Can he win despite that fact?

Well, he does have a (D) after his name.

LOL.  The magic letter?

Do you think that will change for the next generation?

The only one who knows the answer to that....

somehow it's not surprising the amateurish photo-shopped picture with this article is credible with thumpers and trumpsters ...

It's the NY Post for chrissakes...

The fake photo is the first thing I noticed. There is no low thing the right wing won't stoop to these days.

How is the NYP even allowed as a source here?

It is a pure far right propaganda outlet.

How is the photo fake. Do you have a reliable source to prove that statement?

the source of the photo is listed in the article. It’s mamdanis own twitter account.. simple reading comprehension could have disabused them of their asinine conspiracy.mThat progressives think it must be fake demonstrates deep down they know how fucked up it is.

it is hilarious though.  Day after day, the same shamelessly people throw out wild, hare brained conspiracies that are easily debunked.  Yet they never seem to learn anything. They just pop up ready to embarrass themselves again in the next thread. 

the source of the photo is listed in the article. It’s mamdanis own twitter account..  That progressives think it must be fake demonstrates deep down they know how fucked up it is.

It’s mamdani’s own twitter account for chrissakes…..

It’s mamdani’s own twitter account for chrissakes…..

Somebody musta hacked it s/

According to google AI

A picture showing New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani posing with Imam Siraj Wahhaj is factual and was posted by Mamdani himself. The photograph, which also includes City Councilman Yusef Abdus Salaam, was taken on October 18, 2025, during a visit to Wahhaj's mosque in Brooklyn.

Care to amend the bullshit?

The fake photo is the first thing I noticed.

According to google AI

A picture showing New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani posing with Imam Siraj Wahhaj is factual and was posted by Mamdani himself. The photograph, which also includes City Councilman Yusef Abdus Salaam, was taken on October 18, 2025, during a visit to Wahhaj's mosque in Brooklyn.

Councilman Yusef Salaam (D-Manhattan), a member of the Central Park 5 who was elected in November 2023, was also in the photo.

A  communist, an Islamic  terrorism conspirator   and a violent, brutal  criminal made rich by pandering progressives.  Pretty much captures where democrats are at in 2025. 

a member of the Central Park 5 who was elected in November 2023, was also in the photo

You do know that the "Central Park 5" were COMPLETELY EXONERATED right?

On December 19, 2002, Justice Charles J. Tejada of the Supreme Court of the State of New York granted a motion to vacate the thirteen-year-old convections in the infamous case. He did so based on new evidence: a shocking confession from a serial rapist, Matias Reyes, and a positive DNA match to back it up. Conviction and Exoneration | The Central Park Five | Ken Burns | PBS

ow that the "Central Park 5" were COMPLETELY EXONERATED right?

They were not, in any sense of the word,  exonerated.  

Only people who get their news from Netflix documentaries believe they weren't in the park committing violent crimes that night. The evidence is overwhelming. 

Only people who get their news from Netflix documentaries believe they weren't in the park committing violent crimes that night. The evidence is overwhelming. 

Only people who don't believe in the fucking law and our courts and DNA evidence would still think those kids were guilty of the rape they were WRONGFULLY convicted of.

AI search: Were the Central Park 5 exonerated?

Yes, the convictions of the Central Park Five were vacated in 2002, and the men were officially exonerated. They are now often referred to as the Exonerated Five. 

The exoneration occurred after convicted serial rapist and murderer Matias Reyes confessed to the crime. 

Key details of the exoneration:

• Confession and DNA evidence: Reyes, who was already serving a life sentence, confessed to the 1989 assault of the jogger, Trisha Meili. His DNA was a conclusive match to the DNA evidence collected at the crime scene, which was a match to none of the five men.

• Convictions overturned: Based on Reyes's confession and the DNA evidence, the Manhattan district attorney recommended that the convictions be vacated, and a judge officially overturned the convictions on December 19, 2002.

• Resulting settlement: After their exoneration, the five men—Antron McCray, Kevin Richardson, Yusef Salaam, Raymond Santana, and Korey Wise—filed a civil rights lawsuit against New York City. The city reached a $41 million settlement with them in 2014.

• Coerced confessions: The case has become a prominent example of racial injustice and the dangers of false confessions, particularly when involving minors. The five teenagers, who were Black and Latino, had initially made confessions that they later claimed were coerced through intense police pressure and intimidation.

I can only conclude that anyone who continues to believe in their guilt must have other, likely skin color related, prejudices that they clearly can't get over.

ly people who don't believe in the fucking law and our courts and DNA evidence would still think those kids were guilty of the rape   removed   they were WRONGFULLY convicted of.

Lol. They were never convicted of murder which is proof you really have no understanding of what this is about. 

nly conclude that anyone who continues to believe in their guilt must have other, likely skin color related, prejudices that they clearly can't get over.

And I can only conclude that those that parrot claims that they have no knowledge about and make no sense on their face because that's what they are told to parrot must have other likely skin color related prejudices that they clearly can't get over.  

Since you are unfamiliar with what happened, here's an introduction.  The Central Park  5 viciously beat several people and beat, molested, and participated in the rape of the Central Park Jogger. The evidence of their crimes is  overwhelming and, as a jury agreed, proved their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.  Propaganda and a politically motivated settlement doesn't change that. 

The evidence that they didn't ejaculate inside the comatose woman only proves they didn't ejaculate inside the woman.  You understand that right? It doesn't "exonerate" them of any of the other beatings or their participation in the rape. The kicker it was never claimed to the jury that they did ejaculate insider her.  They were "exonerated" of an allegation that was never made. 

Since you are unfamiliar with what happened, here's an introduction.  The Central Park  5 viciously beat several people and beat, molested, and participated in the rape of the Central Park Jogger.

No, they didn't. There was no physical evidence, just coerced confessions. But, like many bigots, some believe they must have been guilty of something even though it wasn't their DNA and there was no physical evidence of them having committed the crime. It's sad to know that there are those sooooo fucking invested in black and Latino men being locked up that they ignore the mountain of evidence that was presented that PROVED their innocence which is why they were FULLY exonerated by the court and the city paid these victims of police racial profiling and police brutality $41 million. That would NOT have happened if what you erroneously claim were true.

here was no physical evidence, just coerced confessions.

Lol. You continue with the dishonesty and ignore the witness statements, confessionals, and the pipe used to beat others. 

 wasn't their DNA and there was no physical evidence of them having committed the crim

Lol.  The jury was told it wasn't their DNA. How many times do you have to be told that?  And you really shouldn't argue that the "lack of physical evidence" even if true, is somehow a bar to conviction. That's embarrassing.

But I guess when you have no actual arguments., you have to make up standards to cling to. 

 mountain of evidence that was presented that PROVED their innocence which is why they were FULLY exonerated by the court and the city paid these victims of police racial profiling and police brutality $41 million.\

Lol. Liberal activists reward criminals with taxpayer dollars. It's a cottage industry in corrupt democratic controlled cities. They lawyers take their millions and then donate a portion back to the democratic party that gave it to them. Welcome to the real world. 

For anyone interested in the actual evidence, here are 14 taped interviews with witnesses, including others beside the central park 5. Drives home what a scam the settlements were.

centralpark5joggerattackers

Liberal activists reward criminals with taxpayer dollars. It's a cottage industry in corrupt democratic controlled cities. They lawyers take their millions and then donate a portion back to the democratic party that gave it to them. Welcome to the real world. 

Nothing in your tired conspiracy theory resembles the real world in the slightest. I guess when some can't accept the facts, just making up shit that leans into their obvious blatant prejudice is their only option.

I guess when some can't accept the facts,

All you've done is mistake basic facts (they were convicted of murder, there was no physical evidence) misuse words, murder logic and scream racism when you can't make a coherent argument.

leans into their obvious blatant prejudice is their only option.

Which you've provided an exemplary example of.

DP never claimed they were convicted of murder. You misquoted him in thenewstalkers

DP never claimed they were convicted of murder

He erased it after I quoted him.  

Sean, you are wrong. The Central Park 5 had their charges vacated when the actual rapist admitted it, and the DNA evidence was introduced. All you have to do is Google this. Btw, if it were up to Trump, these boys would have had the death sentence. He took out full page ads in all the NY papers promoting this.

As a New Yorker, I agree with you about Zohran Mamdani. His past history in things that he has said (and not said) makes him a horrible candidate. I am totally disgusted.

But right now, I am more annoyed by Curtis Sliwa, who will not drop out of the race. He says he loves NY, but not enough to put aside his own ego and let Cuomo win. 

You do realize that it came out that the cops who did these interviews also told the boys (and they were minors at the time) that if they confessed, they could go home. 

google

• Prolonged interrogations without representation:   Police interrogated the teenage boys for more than 24 hours, in some cases without a parent, guardian, or lawyer present. The interviews were often unrecorded until the final, videotaped "confession" was obtained.
• Physical and psychological coercion:   Officers used threats, intimidation, and physical force to break the teenagers down. One of the teens, Yusef Salaam, reported hearing Korey Wise being beaten in another room and was told he was "next" if he did not cooperate.
• Deception and false promises:   Detectives lied to the teens, claiming that DNA or other evidence linked them to the crime. They also falsely told each teen that the others had already confessed and implicated them. In some instances, police promised the teens they could go home if they just admitted to a lesser role.
• Contamination of confessions:   Investigators fed the boys details about the crime scene that they later incorporated into their coerced confessions. As a result, the boys' accounts were riddled with inaccuracies and conflicting details about the event.  

Your currrent mayor had his integrity compromised by Trump.  Cuomo is a pompous ass. Sliwa has spent his adult life on the fringe. 

I guess there are no good choices. 

Personally I think Mamdani has said some regrettable things but i very much doubt he is the threat to New York he is being described as. 

Sorry, John, but in a world of not great choices, I'll take Cuomo. The fact that Mamdani can barely choke out that Hamas is a terrorist organization makes me want to vomit.

he Central Park 5 had their charges vacated when the actual rapist admitted it, and the DNA evidence was introduced

 The juries  were told during the trials there was another rapist and the unknown rapist was the only one who left DNA from his semen.  That the man was eventually identified isn't relevant at all to the charges against the 5. 

Watch the interviews of the Central Park and their friends posted above. I find it impossible to believe that any any fair minded person would conclude they weren't involved.

, I am more annoyed by Curtis Sliwa,

That is what he does. He covets attention and doesn't really care about wining. 

w rongful interviews by police to the central park 5

When those are your search terms, you surely will get unbiased results. 

For anyone interested in the evidence used to convict them, watch the videos of video statements and read this long thread containing excerpts from the judge's ruling on the interrogations from the authoritative book written on the trial

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Sean,

It doesn't matter what the juries were told, because they were told false information. The cops who did the interviews held wrongful interviews. End of story. What goes on before the footage starts can be more important than what you see. The bottom line is that their DNA doesn't match, and the guy who admitted it does.

As we all know by now, we can't always believe what we see.

Here are new search terms:

google

• Wrongful conviction : In 1989, five Black and Latino teenagers—Antron McCray, Kevin Richardson, Yusef Salaam, Raymond Santana, and Korey Wise—were accused of the brutal rape and beating of Trisha Meili in Central Park. They were convicted despite a lack of physical evidence linking them to the attack, based on false and coerced confessions made under intense police interrogation.
• The real perpetrator : Matias Reyes, who was already in prison for other crimes, confessed to the rape in 2002. His DNA was a definitive match for the semen found at the crime scene, which had excluded the five teenagers from the start.
• Exoneration : Following Reyes's confession and the corroborating DNA evidence, the convictions of the Central Park Five were vacated in 2002. They are now commonly referred to as the Exonerated Five.
• Legacy : The case has become a prominent example of racial bias, wrongful conviction, and flaws within the U.S. justice system. The five men filed a civil lawsuit against New York City, which was settled for $41 million in 2014. In 2022, a Central Park entrance was renamed the "Gate of the Exonerated" in their honor.  

Sorry, Sean, DNA doesn't lie. Also, the guy who actually committed the rape said he did it.

matter what the juries were told, because they were told false information

They were told correct information. They were told the semen left on the body was not from one of the Central Park 5 and that another assailant had gotten away.  That was true. That the other assailant was finally found is irrelevant to the actions of the five.  They were convicted because of evidence that had nothing to do with DNA. 

he cops who did the interviews held wrongful interviews. 

This was all litigated at trial and the judge ruled the interviews were admissible. That was the actual end of that story. 

The bottom line is that their DNA doesn't match, and the guy who admitted it does

Again, no one ever claimed the DNA matched the five. The juries were explicitly told it didn't.  Their conviction was not premised on DNA evidence and they jury was told someone else's DNA was present. All the DNA proves is that someone else was also involved, which the prosecution always admitted and told the jury. Identifying whose it was didn't change anything in the case, nor does it have anything to do with the other defendants. 

Sorry, Sean, DNA doesn't lie.

Why do you think I'm claiming it does? How much clearer can I be? Of course the guy whose DNA was identified raped her. That was understood when charges were brought.  For obvious reasons, that never meant no one else was involved in the assault. 

He erased it after I quoted him. 

I had fixed it before you said anything (or at least before I read anything you wrote) when I noticed my mistake, the actual rapist was the one convicted of rape and murder in another case. It often takes two or three re-reads to fix my errors from typing too fast with a thought trying to escape onto the page too quickly.

Sean,

Their DNA would have been found on her and her DNA would have been found on them, and none of their DNA was found on them and her's was never found on them. To put it simply, they were not involved. I don't know why you are continuing down this line, because it was proven to be false. Matias Reyes stated he was the only one who raped her and had a history of rape. His is the only DNA found on her

But here are my questions asked and answered:

google

was Trisha Meili dna found on Matias Reyes

• In the original 1989 investigation, DNA from semen found on Trisha Meili did not match any of the five teenagers known as the Central Park Five (now the Exonerated Five), who were wrongly convicted of the crime.
• Reyes's confession in 2002, detailing specific aspects of the crime, prompted a reexamination of the case.
• Authorities compared Reyes's DNA, which was stored in a state database due to his other convictions, to the evidence from the 1989 crime scene. The match was definitive and identified Reyes as the source of the semen.
• This DNA match and Reyes's confession were the basis for vacating the convictions of the Exonerated Five in December 2002.  

was trisha meili dna on the central park five

google

• No match to the Central Park Five:   DNA from semen found at the crime scene did not match any of the five teenagers convicted in the case.
• Match to the actual attacker:   In 2002, Matias Reyes, a convicted serial rapist and murderer, confessed that he was the sole perpetrator of the attack. His DNA matched the evidence found at the crime scene, corroborating his confession and leading to the overturning of the Central Park Five's convictions.
• Absence of other evidence:   Beyond the flawed, coerced confessions, there was no physical or forensic evidence connecting the five teenagers to the attack on Trisha Meili.  

heir DNA would have been found on her and her DNA would have been found on them,

Yes, but it was not recoverable in 1989.  

Y es, DNA evidence collected from Trisha Meili following the 1989 Central Park attack was conclusively matched to Matias Reyes.

Again, there is no dispute that Reyes raped her. None. Zero. There never was. 

o, Trisha Meili's DNA was not found on the Central Park Five. On the contrary, DNA evidence was crucial in proving their innocence and exonerating them for the 1989 rape and assault.   

Again, 1989.

If you are actually interested in this, please take the time to  read the police investigation that followed Reyes coming forward. If you read that and still think the Central Park 5 were "exonerated" and did nothing wrong, there's really nothing else I can say. The evidence of their complicity is overwhelming.

big.assets.huffingtonpost

Sean,

I took a lot of time to read that, and it doesn't say anything different from what I said, other than that Matias Reyes raped someone 2 days before in the park, and murdered someone else a few days before that. The cops took the easy route and mentally battered the teen boys into a confession.

btw, I have no idea what big assets huffintonpost is. Could you please send me a link?

I took a lot of time to read that, and it doesn't say anything different from what I sai

I don't even know what to say. I 've done all I can do. Believe what you need to believe.,

 Matias Reyes raped someone 2 days before in the park, and murdered someone else a few days before that.

Okay. No one has ever disputed he raped the girl.  At trial, the jury was told someone they didn't arrest had raped the girl but they hadn't caught him yet. I guess if you didn't believe Reyes raped her, this would be mean something, but everyone else has always known he was a monster and raped her. His guilt is irrelevant to the central park fives.

e cops took the easy route and mentally battered the teen boys into a confession.

I honestly don't know how you could possibly say that after reading the report.  Did they batter the other teens who weren't charged and placed them there, too? What about the central park 5's friends that they confessed to?  Did they force the teens to admit to beating people in the park after the trial was over and at their parole hearings? 

Here's what the task force found:

The police officers followed carefully the special statutory rules relating to
the questioning of individuals less than 16 years of age, in particular rules pertaining to
the participation of parents or guardians in such interviews. The New York County
District Attorney and his senior staff have stated to us that they have found no evidence
of coercion in the questioning of the defendants or others involved in the events of April
19, 1989, and they have no criticism of the interrogation or arrest techniques employed
by the police. Our conclusion is also strongly supported by the opinion of Justice
Thomas B. Galligan regarding the defendants’ original motions to suppress their
statements.

  have no idea what big assets huffintonpost is. Could you please send me a link?

Nor do I. Its the only place I found hosting the report. 

Nor do I. Its the only place I found hosting the report. 

So that means we don't know anything about this report, including when it was written or by whom.

But right now, I am more annoyed by Curtis Sliwa, who will not drop out of the race. He says he loves NY, but not enough to put aside his own ego and let Cuomo win. 

I know this conversation is between you and Sean, but may I ask a few questions on that point.

1) What makes you think that Sliwa supporters will vote for a democrat, especially one who was responsible for elderly deaths during covid and got into a feud with Trump over ventilators?

2) Why should Sliwa step aside when NY democrat leaders like Hochul and Jeffries and Schumer still haven't endorsed Cuomo?

Hi Vic,

1. There have been polls that have said so. Basically, anyone but Mamdani.

2. Only Hochul has endorsed Mamdani. You know how politics goes... the other two can't, since Cuomo is running as an independent. 

It disgusts me to think that any Jew in NYC would vote for him, but just as there are Jews who support Ilhan Omar, there are bound to be dim-witted Jews who will vote for him. 

I agree with you 100%.

Mamdani appears smiling, arm-in-arm with unindicted ‘93 WTC bombing co-conspirator and terrorist apologist

So? Kushner accepted 2.1 BILLION from the same people that attacked the USA on 9/11/01 and the right wing was totally fine with it. 

A recent poll indicated that even if Silwa were to drop out Mamdani would still lead Cuomo.  I sure would like to see it happen just in case there is any possibility whatsoever to beat Mamdani, but then why should I care if so many New Yorkers are fucking fools? 

Silwa is getting  millions in matching campaign funds that he would lose if he drops out and a lot of that money is going to friends and family on his campaign staff. He’s in it for himself.

then why should I care if so many New Yorkers are fucking fools? 

Not that the people of China have any say in their government, but the one thing the Chinese government has done correctly is severely limit immigration so there’s no danger of foreigners taking control of cities or regions.  New York shows what happens when a government imports masses hostile to the host country.  Now foreign born citizens are going to ensure the election of a candidate who is demonstrably hostile to his host  country and the principles that built it.  If it were up to native born New Yorkers, cuomo would be cruising to victory. 

Boo hoo.

Thats about 90 years for those keeping score. 

Native-born Americans last made up the majority of New York City's population in the early 20th century, likely around the 1910s to 1920s.

New York City has long been a magnet for immigrants, and its demographic makeup has reflected that for over a century.

copilot

The "Blank Paper Protest" DID have an effect on the Chinese government - it caused the removal of the anti-covid restrictions.  The people "spoke" and the govenment listened and did what the people asked for.  

What are you talking about?

Per chat gpt:

Here’s how the share of native-born U.S. citizens (and foreign-born residents) in New York City changed over time, based on U.S. Census and American Community Survey data:

 New York shows what happens when a government imports masses hostile to the host country.  Now foreign born citizens are going to ensure the election of a candidate who is demonstrably hostile to his host  country and the principles that built it.  If it were up to native born New Yorkers, cuomo would be cruising to victory. 

That is not what happened Sean. You might want to take a look at this report from the AP

apnews

Don't believe the Post's simplistic analysis. 

Maybe co-pilot was wrong. I'm not sure that helps your argument though

The foreign-born population of  New York City  currently stands at approximately 36%, meaning more than one in three residents were born outside the  United States . This proportion has remained relatively stable since 2000, mirroring levels seen in the early 21st century. Historically, New York City's foreign-born population was higher during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, exceeding 40% between 1850 and 1920, and was about 40% before World War I. The city's demographic composition has fluctuated over time, influenced by immigration policies such as the restrictive legislation enacted in 1924 following a populist nativist movement. Despite these changes, experts note that New York City was considered an American city during periods of high immigration in the early 1900s and continues to be so today. The current figures challenge claims that New York City is no longer an American city due to its immigrant population share. New York City's Foreign-Born Population at 36%, Stable Since 2000, Below Historical 40% Pre-WWI Level | DeepNewz US Domestic Policy

That is not what happened Sean

I’m not referring to the democratic primary, but the polling on the general election. Though your map doesn’t really prove anything with regards to the primary. 

Then you didn't take the time to look at the map carefully.