Justice Department Sues Harvard Over Admissions Data

This was always going to be necessary.

Harvard was committed to DEI.

Harvard is a shell of its former self.    Like many educational institutions these days.    The “woke” dumbing down of America.

Only to the triggered.

Why don't you give us a detailed description of Harvard today compared to when you were a student there.  Your comment must certainly be based on your personal knowledge and experience and you're not just spewing reactionary propaganda, right?

They lost their reputation.

Awwwww ….. my experience has been hands on.    Dealing directly with Harvard and other Ivy League grads.    IME an Ivy League education is ….   Overrated….. clap, clap, clapclap clap …. Overrated …. Clap, clap, clapclap clap ….. 

DEI wokism was the straw that broke the camels back.

They lost their reputation.

Only among the lowest common denominator, the morons and the sad bitter bigots whining about higher education teaching shit that conflicts with their brain-dead scriptures. To everyone else Harvard is still an outstanding place of higher learning and academic excellence. Just because some stupid backwards religious dumb fucks 'poo poo' it doesn't hurt its reputation at all, in fact it makes me admire them more.

So, you've got nothing, as expected.

You have a very strange understanding of the word “nothing” but hey.   You do you.

An outstanding place wouldn't discriminate against Asians and Whites.

Harvard Diversity Statistics: A Closer Look | AdmissionSight

Yeah, 35.4% white and 21.7% Asian looks like they're really just such a racist school. /s

I sincerely hope those on the right pull their heads out of Trumps ass before it's too late and all blood is cut off to the last few brain cells they have left.

The idea is that admissions are supposed to be based on academic merit. The complaint of Asians is they outperform just about every group in that regard. Therefore, what you need is another chart showing the academic standing of each group.

They lost their reputation.

With whom did they lose it? Why and how did they lose it with those people? 

With whom did they lose it?

By people who oppose racism. 

Why and how did they lose it with those people?

By engaging in race discimination.

I oppose racism. I do not necessarily oppose the administration of a college using race as one of the factors for basing admissions on. There is a difference.

At Harvard, there are thousands of students each year who do not make it in because to even realistically be considered, one must have ~4.0 and above 1500 on the SAT. So to say that the entrance requirements should be strictly egalitarian and based on grades is somewhat deceiving in that there is little to distinguish one applicant from another based on grades alone: They are all that good.  

Now to address the orange prick in the room. IMO, Trump is having his DOinJ do this because he wants to control what is taught, what is researched, and what is written about by simply making his preferences known. He is picking on Harvard because he figures if the oldest and best known college in the country bends the knee, then all others will follow. This is about power, not about antisemitism or racism. He is just hitting them with everything he can in an attempt to wear them down and make them comply. That is what he knows how to do because that is what he learned from his father and Cohn.  

You must recall when there were more democrat registered voters than Republican? It was almost 2-1 at one time.

Look at it now:



Party Affiliation Fact Sheet (NPORS) | Pew Research Center

The reason why is obvious.

Many democrats fled the party when the radical left took over the party. As a matter of fact the largest party affiliation today is Independent.

do not necessarily oppose the administration of a college using race as one of the factors for basing admissions on. There is a difference

No, there isn't. You want the government picking winners and losers based on race. It's no different than someone in the Jik Crow to oppose racism but supporting Jim Crow laws because it keeps society stable. 

It's just racism with a different excuse for it. 

rump is having his DOinJ do this because he wants to control what is taught, what is researched, and what is written about by simply making his preferences known.

 How does engaging in racial discrimination keep Trump from doing those things? 

No, there isn't. You want the government picking winners and losers based on race. It's no different than someone in the Jik Crow to oppose racism but supporting Jim Crow laws because it keeps society stable.

White conservatives are hilarious. They don't say shit about the 200+ years of white affirmative action, but when they get exposed as massive racists and some suggest we use affirmative action for minorities to make up for the 200 years of blatant discrimination, white conservatives scream "NO! That would be racist!". Fucking useless gutless brainless bigots.

They don't say shit about the 200+ years of white affirmative action,

Who are you talking to?  Why are you attacking strawmen in response to my post? 

they get exposed as massive racists 

The people arguing for race discrimination in 2026 are the  massive racists. 

learn the definition of a strawman

You first. 

At Harvard, there are thousands of students each year who do not make it in because to even realistically be considered, one must have ~4.0 and above 1500 on the SAT.

That is the standard they (Harvard) set.  

So to say that the entrance requirements should be strictly egalitarian and based on grades is somewhat deceiving in that there is little to distinguish one applicant from another based on grades alone: They are all that good.

And people are meeting the standard.  Now that brings to question why does race play a factor? 

Now to address the orange prick in the room.

blah blah blah.  

IMO, Trump is having his DOinJ do this because he wants to control what is taught, what is researched, and what is written about by simply making his preferences known.

Only if you believe the idiotic narrative.  

He is picking on Harvard because he figures if the oldest and best known college in the country bends the knee, then all others will follow.

"oldest and best known" with a history of p lagiarism, antisemitism (see Claudine Gay ) and racial discrimination (see Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard ).

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an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. google

A nice double reverse strawman move...

Made easier by the ineptitude of MAGA!

Poor things cant do any critical thinking.

"Whites" did something bad in the past therefore "whites" should be all be systematically discriminated against even if the particular whites who are being discriminated against did not discriminate against anyone and the people who they support systematic racial discrimination on behalf of were never discriminated against. 

It's hilarious that you don't even realize you're proving my point. The fact that white conservatives today can't see how they and their families and the legacy left them was built on the backs of black slaves and discriminated against black Americans all the way up till today and the fact that they STILL don't fucking see the discrimination and act as if they're pure as the fucking snow is truly sad. Perhaps it's brain damage or the unchecked inbreeding among them. White nationalists and white supremacists today act as if there's nothing wrong and that the Republican party isn't chock fucking full of bigots like themselves, but they sit there with their shit eating grins expecting everyone to believe them. Truly sad to see such blatant stupidity on display.

he fact that white conservatives today can't see how they and their families and the legacy left them was built on the backs of black slaves

Lol. The only "family" I had here in the civil war got off the boat and fought to free the slaves and then worked in stock yards. So much legacy and privilege. 

But sure, use "slavery" to justify racial  discrimination against a  kid who was born here to polish migrants in 2006 because people who are long dead  held other people who are long dead in slavery across the world from where their ancestors lived at the time.  It's so fucking idiotic. Its takes a certain of brain dead fool to believe that descendants of the Spaniards who imported millions of slaves continue to benefit from race discrimination while the descendants  of those who fought to end slavery are discriminated against all in the name of correcting the wrongs of slavery that ended generations ago. Only idiots whose brains are corrupted by racialist poison could think that makes sense.  

The racists who, like George Wallace, favor race discrimination now and forever would do themselves a favor and stop embarrassing themselves by denying their racism. Just be open racists. At least you'd be honest racists, rather than dishonest ones who try to hide it through such puerile logically indefensible  slop. 

People like you elected Donald Trump even though you claim you didn't vote for him.

If not voting elected him, then okay. But sure, I'm glad he won over the racist who would have doubled down on systematic race discrimination by the government.  I think discriminating on the basis of race is wrong. Progressives don't.  And that's what it boils down to. 

those who fought to end slavery are discriminated against all in the name of correcting the wrongs of slavery that ended generations ago.

There simply is no widespread discrimination against white people. Setting aside a handful of college admissions for minorities IS NOT discriminating against white people. Every fucking white person today, even the ones living in abject poverty, still have a leg up over their fellow black Americans living in poverty. Only the most self-absorbed lazy fucking useless white conservatives are complaining that somehow, they're being racially discriminated against. It's fucking insane. White culture is not under threat in this country. White people are not under threat in this country. Allowing other cultures to have a space in America does not mean white culture is somehow being eliminated.

Just be open racists. 

Isn't that what the Republican party under Trump have become? It certainly seems that way. Trying to paint your opponent as racist while being blatant white nationalists and white supremacists is pretty funny though. You go ahead and tell yourself whatever it takes to sleep at night, but the entire world knows what the rightwing conservative MAGA Republican party stands for and it certainly isn't racial equality and justice for all. Republicans only loyalty is to keep feeding their constituents the salty ball sweat coming from their dear Leader Trump, and the MAGAites gobble it up regardless of how many short and curlies get caught in their teeth.

Setting aside a handful of college admissions for minorities IS NOT discriminating against white people

Lol. Now you are claiming race discrimination isn't race discrimination. 

zy fucking useless white conservatives are complaining that somehow, they're being racially discriminated agains

They literarily are. It's amazing to watch. Brain washed progressives incapable of rational thought are presented with irrefutable evidence that race discrimination is occurring, and has for generations at this point, and they'll still deny it happens.  The more honest ones at least  rationalize it. The true loons will simply deny what's been proven to them.  They are no different than flat earthers. 

presented with irrefutable evidence that race discrimination is occurring

We know that white racists and bigots have been giving those of their same skin color or culture preferential treatment for centuries. Even after the civil rights act and voting rights acts were passed discrimination was still rampant and is still happening to this day, it's just the unspoken racism that is hard to prove. The declination at the bank for a loan, the job applications rejected, the housing discrimination, all still happening in America today. It's just very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the landlord just didn't want to rent to them because they were black or that the real estate agent didn't even show the black couple the homes in the white neighborhood because they didn't think they'd 'fit in'.

Applying While Black: How Racial Differences in Work Histories Impact Hiring Outcomes

How redlining is still impacting Black homebuyers

Bank loan discrimination persists in the U.S., with recent studies and federal actions highlighting ongoing disparities for minority borrowers in mortgage and small business lending. Despite fair lending laws, data shows higher denial rates for Black, Hispanic, and Asian applicants, often due to modern-day redlining and unequal treatment in loan terms.  

• Evidence of Discrimination:   Studies from 2023–2024 confirm that minority entrepreneurs face higher barriers and receive less encouragement to apply for loans compared to white counterparts with similar profiles.
• Mortgage Disparities:   In 2022, 26% of Black mortgage applicants faced denials, a significant disparity compared to white counterparts. Reports suggest that in over 60 metro areas, minority homebuyers are still denied loans at higher rates.
• Federal Enforcement:   The Department of Justice (DOJ) continues to reach settlements with banks over redlining, such as a 2024 agreement with Patriot Bank and a 2023 case involving a $31 million settlement.
• Types of Discrimination:   Discrimination takes the form of both, differential treatment (e.g., higher interest rates, less time with loan officers) and disparate impact, where algorithmic, "race-blind" systems may still produce biased results.

Modern-day redlining: Banks discriminate in lending

With all the actual discrimination happening against minorities, some rational Americans thought attempting to carve out a larger space for minority Americans among us would help integrate everyone and it's been working well for the last half century since affirmative action programs were introduced. Today, we still see the rampant racism towards minorities, but now we have white dumb fuck push back because some bigots are angry that they're not getting as much white affirmative action like they used to get when all the college spots were reserved for them and all the high paying management jobs were set aside for the kids of the wealthy white doners and their friends. It really is precious how some whiny white weaklings have to scream and yell about a handful of admissions out of the thousands already going to white students that the University dared set aside for non-white kids. Expecting some white conservatives to be bigger than that is, of course, way too much to ask. Anyone with more than half a brain can see how petty and childish white rightwing conservatives are, which is why they just have to do whatever it takes to rip the good will out of other people's hands. Perhaps we'll see these white conservatives going down to the corner where homeless people ask for money and they can jump in and steal the cash being handed out the window too because some of that charity cash might go to minorities and apparently that just wouldn't be fair to white conservatives.

The premise that some obvious bigots use to claim we shouldn't have affirmative action for minorities anymore is that racism is fixed, it's done, it's a thing of the past they'll tell you. And if that were the actual case, then we wouldn't need affirmative action anymore. But that's just a fucking fantasy that the white nationalists and white supremacists and closeted racists are desperately trying to sell you. These claims of reverse racism by white conservatives are just fucking stupid, they're like Cartman bitching about not winning the Special Olympics.

white racists and bigots have been giving those of their same skin color or culture preferential treatment for centuries.

Do you imagine only white people do that? Lol.

Does the fact that dishonest white people like Elizabeth Warren lie about being members of other races for competitive advantage ever stop and make you think how asinine your claims are? Do you believe black students applying to Harvard scheme about how they can call themselves white on the application to take advantage of "white privilege?"  Does the real word evidence of  how people actually respond to the incentives that are placed before them ever penetrate your simplistic dogma? 

You could just say you have nothing to rebut with. That would have saved a lot of electrons. 

If you have specific arguments related to those links, then say specifically what they are and why they are relevant to your point. I will not do your work for you. 

Do you believe black students applying to Harvard scheme about how they can call themselves white on the application to take advantage of "white privilege?"

So, the undergraduate student numbers at Harvard are roughly 10,000. 35% are white so about 3500 spots, and 9.3% black so about 930 spots. So white conservatives (the only whiny bigots actually bitching about this) are just jealous that they have to be one of the 20,000+ white students applying for 3500 spots versus being one of the 5,000 black student applicants vying for 930 spots. That's the supposed horrible racism that some tiny minded little shallow white whiny cunts bitch about. Sure, 200+ years of white only dominance in America shouldn't justify giving a few black Americans kids a slightly better chance of getting into Harvard if they do all the work, have the grades and apply. So shamefully unjust. /s

If you have specific arguments related to those links,

Apparently you didn't open the links or know what they are about.  When you do, we'll talk.  

then say specifically what they are and why they are relevant to your point.

I stated my point in the sentence with the links.  

Thank God!    The other options were basically unthinkable.    As proven by the inept fool people like you elected in 2020.

Sure, 200+ years of white only dominance in America shouldn't justify giving a few black Americans kids a slightly better chance of getting into Harvard if they do all the work, have the grades and apply.

Again, your rationalizations make the case against you.    The fact that you have an expectation that black applicants have a “slightly” better chance.    Your words.    Proves an uneven, unfair system.    Because if they are “slightly” favored, they aren’t doing all the work or don’t have as good grades as other “disfavored” applicants.

It’s interesting watching triggered progressives get pissed off and start calling people names when they get called out on their bullshit rationalizations.    It’s so … sophomoric..

If it is important enough to post a link to support one's argument, then it is important enough to actually say why the link is important and post excerpts from the link or tell others where they might find the relevant information within said link. Otherwise, you are just sealioning, expecting others to go do your work for you, or just be distracted by the bullshit that you put up. 

then say specifically what they are and why they are relevant to your point.

I stated my point in the sentence with the links.  

You do realize the difference between stating your point and providing evidence to support it?

Once again, I am not doing your work for you.

If it is important enough to post a link to support one's argument, then it is important enough to actually say why the link is important and post excerpts from the link or tell others where they might find the relevant information within said link.

Everything you are whining about is right there in the sentence with the links.  

Hahahahahaha.

One would think it would be easier to explain or give the location of the pertinent information rather than continue with circumlocutions, and yet you persist.

Are you that unsure of your argument?

As a matter of fact the largest party affiliation today is Independent.

Praise the lord and pass the ammuniton.

DING BING DING DING  

And one wonders why there were so many graphs comparing Dems and Reps?

HIGHLIGHTS

• As of June 2025, 44.9 million registered voters in these areas identified themselves as   Democrats , representing 36.84% of registered voters in these areas.

• A total of 38 million registered voters identified themselves as   Republicans , representing 31.01% of registered voters in these areas.

• A total of 33.7 million registered voters identified themselves as   independents   or unaffiliated with any political party. This amounted to 27.7% of registered voters in these areas.

• Approximately 5.4 million registered voters identified themselves as members of   other political parties . This amounted to 4.46% of registered voters in these areas.
• Partisan affiliations of registered voters - Ballotpedia

Trump is committed to insanity, keeping folk stupid and revenge against people who are smarter than him (almost everybody).

Yes, the left got there first, but you reap what you sow

Under President Trump's leadership, this Department of Justice is demanding better from our nation's educational institutions," Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement.

Under president Trump's disastrous leadership, America has gone from the leader of the free world to the butt of racist and xenophobic jokes. We have lost deeply held and timeless values to a putrescent administration of graft and corruption. The constant fixation on retribution is a symptom of a myopic, moraless, and deeply flawed world view in which the might of the nation, derived from its moral character, is squandered for the enrichment of the few.

America has gone from the leader of the free world to the butt of racist and xenophobic jokes

Only to the triggered.

Under president Trump's disastrous leadership, America has gone from the leader of the free world to the butt of racist and xenophobic jokes.

That's one opinion.  

The constant fixation on retribution is a symptom of a myopic, moraless, and deeply flawed world view in which the might of the nation, derived from its moral character, is squandered for the enrichment of the few.

So why have the democrats been doing that for so long?

That's one opinion.  

I think you will find it shared by several billion.

So why have the democrats been doing that for so long?

Aren't you so witty. Right up there with, "I know you are but what am I?"

But really how would I know? I am not a Democrat or a Republican or MAGA or a member of any party. I find the idea of parties to be, ultimately, destructive. Looking at the current state of affairs, this seems rather obvious. All of the little follower plebes going, "Show me where to go! Tell me what to think!"  MAGA has cocked things up because Ds and Rs could not turn their parties to the center because they were desperate to get the votes to maintain the status quo. Now they have no control. What is the saying, "Wag the Dog"

All that and I don't see anything where I'm proven wrong. 

I don't think you have been proven right, either.

To do that, one has to present an argument for or against a proposition. One cannot just say "Nuh-uhh" or "Uhh-huh", and then claim victory by saying it some more and accusing others of not listening.

My point was that both parties suck, but the lengths to which the MAGA controlled Republicans have gone is both un-precedented and fatally flawed. Why? Because a functioning republic depends on shared acceptance of institutional rules, especially elections and the peaceful transfer of power, and when a movement prioritizes personal loyalty and power over those rules, it erodes the very legitimacy that allows it to govern long-term. That strategy destabilizes the system itself.

I do believe Harvard has learned that Bad Bondi is truly bad at her job.

I look forward to Harvard losing another lawsuit

Seems that there are a lot of high school dropouts that feel the same way about institutes of higher education that they know they could never be accepted into. 

I only know one high school dropout, and he dropped out because he was making $500 - $700 per day.

Did he sell good stuff?

He took bets at a dog track when they were holding non-betting schooling races. A few hundred people looking to bet and he was all there was. 

"Tell me you're a racist without telling me you're a racist..."

For what legitimate reason does the US government need admissions data from any private university?