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how much will operation epstein fury ultimately cost in american lives, american treasure, and our now critically damaged international reputation, just to stroke the ego of a criminal, traitor, and child molester that's usually asleep behind the resolute desk in the oval office before lunch?

How much will it cost to let this evil regime have nuclear weapons or even remain in power?

So far the US footed that bill for a few Billion.  About $1.6 B from Obama and what ever was frozen that Biden released.  But the left don't give a shit.  They're still stuck on their unproven accusations and childish name calling.

So far 6 less brave soldiers than Biden let die in a matter of seconds in Afghanistan.

If they would only focus on what is good for the nation!

I remember it well.

I noticed that President Trump wasn't looking at his watch when the bodies came home.

He wore his stupid hat and was looking down inside his suit. Worse than looking at a watch

So far the US footed that bill for a few Billion.

Israel spent $5Billion the first week, now spending between $500 million and 900 million a day.

Israel, Qutar, Dubai, the UAE, Kuwait and others are suffering millions a day in damages while they rev up their militaries to join the US and Israel's offensive.

Spain's aircraft carrier group has joined the French Fleet in place around Cyprus to protect the island and UK base.

Nato is protecting Turkey.

About $1.6 B from Obama and what ever was frozen that Biden released. 

The JPOA released sanctions and all 7 countries released some of the frozen assets that were Iran's. Blaming Obama is partisan noise.

As for Biden,

The sanctions waiver was a routine renewal that has occurred nearly two dozen times since 2018, including during the first Trump administration. Additionally, U.S. and Qatari officials agreed to restrict Iran's access to the $6 billion prisoner exchange funds following Hamas' Oct. 7 attack on Israel. In both cases, Iran's access to the funds was limited to humanitarian purchases.

But the left don't give a shit. 

Sure they do, they care about legality and facts.

They're still stuck on their unproven accusations and childish name calling.

Opinions do vary greatly.

So far 6 less brave soldiers than Biden let die in a matter of seconds in Afghanistan.

Does it really matter how fast they died? They died doing their call to duty.

So far 7 more Americans can be blamed on Trump's folly. In total to date another 446 innocent people and children in the surrounding countries

plus the 1,230 victims in Iran and 104 sailors and guests who were drowned when a US submarine killed an Iranian frigate

that it had just a few days earlier been participating with in readiness drills with India and others countries.

• IRAN - At least 1,230 people have been killed, including 175 schoolgirls and staff killed in a missile strike on a primary school in Minab in the country's south on the war's first day, according to the non-profit humanitarian group Iranian Red Crescent Society. It was unclear if the overall death toll included Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps military casualties. The Iranian army has said that at least 104 people were killed after a U.S. submarine sank an Iranian warship off Sri Lanka's coast last week. Those deaths were not included in the toll given by the Red Crescent.
• ISRAEL - The military said two soldiers were killed in southern Lebanon, the first fatalities among its troops since hostilities with Hezbollah resumed last week after the group attacked Israel in support of Iran. Eleven civilians have been killed, including nine people in an Iranian missile strike on Beit Shemesh near Jerusalem on March 1, according to Israel's ambulance service Magen David Adom.
• UNITED STATES - Seven servicemembers have been killed in action during operations against Iran, the U.S. military said.
• LEBANON - At least 394 people have been killed in Israeli strikes, including 83 children, according to Lebanon's health ministry.
• SAUDI ARABIA - Two people were killed when a projectile fell on a residential location in Al-Kharj city, southeast of the capital Riyadh.
• BAHRAIN - One person was killed after fire broke out in Bahrain's Salman Industrial City following missile interception on March 2, according to the interior ministry.
• KUWAIT - One child has been killed in Iranian attacks on the country, according to Kuwait's health and foreign ministries.Two interior ministry officers and two army soldiers were also killed on duty, the army said.
• OMAN - One person was killed after a projectile hit the Marshall Islands–flagged product tanker MKD VYOM off the coast of Muscat.
• UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - Four people have been killed, according to UAE's defense ministry.
• SYRIA - Four people were killed when an Iranian missile struck a building in the southern Syrian city of Sweida on February 28, state news agency SANA said.
• IRAQ - At least 15 people have been killed, according to Iraqi police and health officials.One commander from Islamic Resistance in Iraq, an umbrella group of Iran-backed armed factions, was killed in an airstrike on his vehicle on March 5, police sources told Reuters.

11 countries so far, with Spain and France moving into position to protect Cyprus and the UK base there.

So much good Trump accomplishments to look forward to. /s 

He wore his stupid hat 

So lets cry about it.  

Israel spent $5Billion the first week, now spending between $500 million and 900 million a day.

That's Israel spending their money.  It is odd that you are crying about that.

Israel, Qutar, Dubai, the UAE, Kuwait and others are suffering millions a day in damages while they rev up their militaries to join the US and Israel's offensive.

If they want to sit back and let Iran drop munitions on them, that's on them.

The JPOA released sanctions and all 7 countries released some of the frozen assets that were Iran's. Blaming Obama is partisan noise.

I don't care about other countries.  Obama gave our tax dollars to them.  Dont start crying because I pointed out a fact you don't want to accept.

Aren't you a veteran? I guess you don't think it's disrespectful for a civilian (and that is what he is) to remove his hat while the deceased are being unloaded. You never saw Obama or Biden wearing a hat when paying their respects at Dover. And if they had you would have been the loudest cry baby

Aren't you a veteran? I guess you don't think it's disrespectful for a civilian (and that is what he is) to remove his hat while the deceased are being unloaded.

I've been to far to many "Angel Flights" where headgear was not removed.  Both in theater and at home station.  It's all situation dependent.  

You never saw Obama or Biden wearing a hat when paying their respects at Dover.

I've seen both Obama and Biden disrespect the military quite a few times.  Lack of returning a salute / ignoring soldiers, checking a watch like he had better places to be, calling a retreat that cost 13 servicemembers their lives, etc..  But you seem to ignore all that in your partisan bullshit.

But you seem to ignore all that in your partisan bullshit.

and you don't have any partisan bullshit baggage, do you?

If they would only focus on what is good for the nation!

Every day some folks prove they would rather see the country fail if it meant agreeing with Trump.

Every day some folks prove they would rather see the country fail if it meant agreeing with Trump.

Even a broken clock can still be right twice a day. When Trump says things that are cogent and rational I have no problem agreeing with him. It's just such a rare occasion that I don't bother focusing on the couple words of truth he might accidently let drip out his balloon knot mouth, he's still clearly a broken clock running this country into the ground. Trump is a convicted felon, pervert, liar, rapist, serial adulterer and yet some scum bags think 'agreeing' with that piece of shit on everything is good for our country. Fuck those gullible morons right in the fucking ear.

I'm sure you'll find something to cry about.

Every day some folks prove they would rather see the country fail if it meant agreeing with Trump.

The country is failing right now with Trump. It would be impossible to do worse without him. 

It would be impossible to do worse without him.

have you looked at the shitshow the country was under with a guy named Biden in the WH?

Obama gave our tax dollars to them

Are you stuck on the line son? That is FALSE.

Those dollars were the frozen fucking assets of another country. AS IN < NOT OURS.

The other countries, the UN and the World Court found that we and the others illegally froze those assets and had to give them back.

However, from the available historical records, we can identify   at least three major cases   where the U.S. froze assets of another country and later released or partially released them:

1. Iran (1979–1981)   – After the 1979 Iranian Revolution and hostage crisis, President Jimmy Carter froze about $11 billion in Iranian assets. Some of these were unfrozen in 1981 following the Algiers Accords and the end of the hostage crisis   Wikipedia .

2. Iran (2015–2016, JCPOA)   – Under the Iran nuclear deal, the U.S. agreed to release billions of dollars in previously frozen Iranian assets as part of the agreement’s terms   The Fiscal Times .

3. Afghanistan (2021–2022)   – After the Taliban takeover in August 2021, the U.S. froze nearly $7 billion in Afghan central bank reserves held at the Federal Reserve. In February 2022, President Biden announced moving $3.5 billion to a humanitarian trust and reserving $3.5 billion for potential legal claims, effectively releasing part of the funds   Wikipedia .

4. The status of frozen assets 

   After Russia’s full-scale invasion, the U.S. and its allies froze Russian foreign exchange reserves in their jurisdictions. The Russian Elites, Proxies, and Oligarchs (REPO) Task Force—consisting of the Group of Seven (G7), European Union (EU), and Australia— most recently estimated frozen reserves   at $280 billion. Many experts ( and the Central Bank of Russia ) put   the figure between   $300 and $330 billion. In 2022, most of the frozen assets were debt securities denominated in euros or U.S. dollars. Euroclear, a Belgian central securities depository,   managed approximately $200 billion of those assets   on behalf of the Central Bank of Russia. Euroclear manages about 90% of frozen reserves in the EU, while   France holds much of the remainder.   The U.S. holds   around $5 billion.  

At some point Trump, Vance or some other poor soul will have to return Russia's $5 Billion with interest 

AND IT WILL NOT BE OUR TAX DOLLARS.

Dont start crying because I pointed out a fact you don't want to accept.

Jer, this is just another day that ends in day, where you are still fact free.

That is FALSE.

Of course it was paid by US tax dollars. 

he UN and the World Court found that we and the others illegally froze those assets and had to give them back.

When did they do that?

Are you stuck on the line son? That is FALSE.

Nope.  

Originally believed to be a $400 million cash payment to Iran, it was revealed earlier this week that the Obama Administration made two additional cash payments totaling $1.3 billion to Iran . (emphasis mine)

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Looks like it was US Taxpayer money.

Those dollars were the frozen fucking assets of another country. AS IN < NOT OURS.

You mean this?:

the Biden administration reissued a $10 billion Iran sanctions waiver, unlocking frozen funds and allowing the country to access hard currency from Iraq’s continued electricity purchases from Iran.

...

The Republican senators expressed two primary concerns with the decision to renew the waiver: it makes restricted funds more accessible to the Ayatollah’s regime, at a time when Iranian-backed aggression in the region is at a peak, and the administration appears to be disregarding congressional intent that any payments made to Iran remain severely restricted.

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So that's $11.3 BILLION handed over to Iran for their terrorist activity and nuclear program.  

the UN and the World Court

That's as fkng funny as saying Biden was a good president.

Looks like it was US Taxpayer money.

Nowhere in that opinion from the House Committee Leader on Finance French Hill, a Republican does he say that the funds were tax payer's dollars,

the same way he avoids saying that the payments were released frozen assets.

The USA, China, Russia, the UK, France and Germany had no illusions about not being able to control what Iran actually did with the money intended for humanitarian causes.

Since you obviously didn't read this the last time I will repost it.

However, from the available historical records, we can identify    at least three major cases    where the U.S. froze assets of another country and later released or partially released them:

1. Iran (1979–1981)    – After the 1979 Iranian Revolution and hostage crisis, President Jimmy Carter froze about $11 billion in Iranian assets. Some of these were unfrozen in 1981 following the Algiers Accords and the end of the hostage crisis    Wikipedia  .

2. Iran (2015–2016, JCPOA)    – Under the Iran nuclear deal, the U.S. agreed to release billions of dollars in previously frozen Iranian assets as part of the agreement’s terms    The Fiscal Times  .

3. Afghanistan (2021–2022)    – After the Taliban takeover in August 2021, the U.S. froze nearly $7 billion in Afghan central bank reserves held at the Federal Reserve. In February 2022, President Biden announced moving $3.5 billion to a humanitarian trust and reserving $3.5 billion for potential legal claims, effectively releasing part of the funds    Wikipedia  .

4. The status of frozen assets 

   After Russia’s full-scale invasion, the U.S. and its allies froze Russian foreign exchange reserves in their jurisdictions. The Russian Elites, Proxies, and Oligarchs (REPO) Task Force—consisting of the Group of Seven (G7), European Union (EU), and Australia—   most recently estimated frozen reserves       at $280 billion. Many experts (   and the Central Bank of Russia   ) put      the figure between       $300 and $330 billion. In 2022, most of the frozen assets were debt securities denominated in euros or U.S. dollars. Euroclear, a Belgian central securities depository,      managed approximately $200 billion of those assets       on behalf of the Central Bank of Russia. Euroclear manages about 90% of frozen reserves in the EU, while      France holds much of the remainder.       The U.S. holds      around $5 billion.    

No one was happy with these things but at least on paper Iran appeared to be kicking the can down the road on the nuclear enrichment issues.

totaling $1.3 billion to Iran

Yes, $11 Billion in Iranian assets frozen in 1979 by Jimmy Carter possibly before you were even born and held for 37 years, illegally.

So that's $11.3 BILLION handed over to Iran for their terrorist activity and nuclear program.  

Yes, $11 Billion plus interest, and it occurred far over your pay grade.

That's as fkng funny as saying Biden was a good president.

Funnier than believing you have a degree in international finance law?

Since you obviously didn't read this the last time I will repost it.

Read it, noticed no real link, disregarded it.  Repeating the same shit over and over doesn't make it true.

Read it, noticed no real link, disregarded it

Two from Wikipedia and one from the Fiscal Times plain as day in light blue.

AI compiled.  The 4th one apparently cut off in the cut & paste.

Repeating the same shit over and over doesn't make it true.

Ignoring the facts over and over doesn't make one smarter either.

In 2018 just after this happened SCOTUS claimed $2 billion in different assets frozen in the USA should go to Iran's American victims.

Th UN High Court found for both sides and they are still trying to determine how to divide the awards.  It's never ending, apparently.

Read it, noticed no real link, disregarded it

Two from Wikipedia and one from the Fiscal Times plain as day in light blue. AI compiled.  The 4th one apparently cut off in the cut & paste.

One more time...  Read it, noticed no real link, disregarded it.

Ignoring the facts over and over doesn't make one smarter either.

I read opinion.  

In 2018 just after this happened SCOTUS claimed...

Now why is the SCOTUS getting involved in international affairs?  

Th UN High Court

Now THAT is a joke.

Evidently the panel's lefty member, Jessica Tarlov,

The name of Jessica Tarolv's podcast is "Raging Moderates" . Her co-host is that other notorious "lefty" Scott Galloway.  Tarlov is not a lefty, she is a liberal, although the confusion by a cretin like Greg Gutfeld is understandable.  I notice you didn't put her remarks up.

"I don't care about any of this performance anymore, Jessica Greg. It's done. And you know what? Neither does Trump the rest of America."

Can a liberal be considered a lefty?

I'll leave it to the readers.

Tarlov is not a lefty, she is a liberal

What exactly is the difference?  I like to hear what she has to say and wish the others would let her speak more without interruption.

I don't consider her a Bill Mahr liberal but I don't see her as a Omar wingnut either.

What exactly is the difference?

Get ready for some Shirley Temple level tap dancing.

I like to hear what she has to say and wish the others would let her speak more without interruption.

You know as well as I do that the left can't hear anything they disagree with without interrupting.

Seemed more like Greg Gutfeld humiliated himself by just regurgitating moronic conservative talking points from over a decade ago. Pretty sad that's these conservative dipshits only defense for Trumps actions is basically "But Obama! But Biden! Whaaaaah! Whaaaaah!". Fucking babies.

Pretty sad that's these conservative dipshits only defense for Trumps actions is basically "But Obama!

Well, Obama did go to war with Libya for 8 months and Pelosi did tell him you don't need our permission.

What did you expect?

Greg is brilliant.  His wiseassery is second to none.

Greg is brilliant.  His wiseassery is second to none.

There is nothing 'brilliant' or 'wise' about Greg Gutfeld, he's just a tired unfunny conservative who says stupid shit that conservatives lap up like blind kittens. His commentary is filled with snark about liberals and progressives but that's all he has. He's not trying to come up with solutions to any of his complaints, he just whines and moans and the poor gullible conservative bigots clap and cheer.

His commentary is filled with snark about liberals and progressives

Well, they do give him alot of material.

snark

You spelled truth wrong

You spelled truth wrong

A fine example of Gutfeld style humor, unoriginal and unfunny. Not that I ever expected much from the conservative peanut gallery. MAGAites are the perfect examples of people who are so dense they think they're funny because they can't tell that people are laughing at them, not with them.

A fine example of Gutfeld style humor, unoriginal and unfunny

Wasn't meant to be funny

The truth is just that

The truth

Maybe you do not get your news from reliable sources, but in many places, liberals are the butt of jokes in the nation.

only defense for Trumps actions is basically "But Obama! But Biden! Whaaaaah! Whaaaaah!". Fucking babies

Hilarious coming from a member of the group that deflects to Trump no matter what or who the subject, and ESPECIALLY if the subject has zero to do with Trump

Fucking babies.

A new video appears to confirm that a Tomahawk missile fired by U.S. forces struck an Iranian girls’ school in the midst of Operation Epic Fury, leaving 175 dead — most of whom were kids —  The   New York Times   reported  Sunday night.

The video, which was verified by the  Times  after Iran’s Mehr News Agency posted it, shows the cruise missile hurtling through the air before hitting a naval base, leveling the Shajarah Tayyebeh elementary school next to it in the town of Minab shortly after the U.S.-Israeli missile strikes began on Feb. 28, according to the  Times .

The paper also noted that only the U.S. military has the Tomahawk cruise missiles used in the strike.

President  Donald Trump   said during  an Air Force One press gaggle on Saturday that Iran was behind the school bombing.

“No, in my opinion, based on what I’ve seen, that was done by Iran,” Trump said when asked by a  Times  reporter if the U.S. was behind the strike.

When the reporter posed the same question to Defense Secretary  Pete Hegseth , he replied, “we’re certainly investigating,” before backing Trump’s assessment.

New Video Appears to Show US Missile Hitting Iranian Girls School, Killing 175 People: NYT

So either the president of the United States and the Secretary of Defense are LYING to the American people , and the world, or they are so clueless they don't know what is happening in their war. 

Yeah, but Donald Trump’s instincts informed him that it was an Iranian weapon because they are “inaccurate”.  You know Iran, with all their inaccurate weapons that are capable of destroying entire schools and kill everyone inside them.  Don’t his genius level instincts count for anything?  And the Trump supporters cheer …

They seem to have video of , specifically, a tomahawk missile hitting the school.  Who'd like to bet that Trump calls it fake news ? 

“No, in my opinion, based on what I’ve seen, that was done by Iran,” Trump said when asked by a  Times  reporter if the U.S. was behind the strike.

It was clearly labelled an OPINION.

Do you know why he probably had that opinion?  Answer: Because X was full of false stories claiming that Iran had taken responsibility for the strike:

PolitiFact | Iran has not claimed responsibility for deadly strike on girls’ school, despite social media claims

Because X was full of false stories claiming that Iran had taken responsibility for the strike:

And Trump was lazy enough to believe them ... if he has any excuse it would be he hired the worst of the worst whose only attributes were to praise his golden invisibility.

And Trump was lazy enough to believe them

It is sad, isn't it?

And he left himself in the position of being contradicted by the Chief of Staff.

I look forward to the day when a President named Vance can simply say we are sorry that one of our Tomahawk missiles missed the target and killed school children.


That being said it's ever onward!

Vance is one of the worst of the worst, the King of Smarm ... you'll lurv him.

Vance

Res assured he will be labeled "worst than Hitler" by our "friends" on the left.

Hate Trump and label people they don't like nazis and Hitler are their only to entries in their playbook.

didn't vance call trmp hitler?

maga republicans, the party of mostly selective memories and convenient amnesia ...

touché

If they could call an always middle of the road moderate like George W Bush a "fascist" they would almost have to go well beyond it for a MAGA Republican.

The question is after Hitler, what's left?

didn't vance call trmp hitler?

Yes he did...and apparently realized the err of his ways.

Maybe many on the left need to take that advice.

The question is after Hitler, what's left?

trump.

..and apparently realized the err of his ways.

... and traded them in for naked ambition ... a 'huge' improvement. May the Gods spare us from such disciples and sycophants.

Actually,  Vance/Rubio ticket until 2036 then a Rubio/anybody else ticket until 2042 is what sane Americans will ensure what happens.

No one except the loons on the upper right coast and the left coast want anything to do with Newsom or any other D. 

How old are you not to have learned not to make predictions?

Old enough to know democrats have an 18 percent approval rating, less than ICE, and just above Iran and Ebola.  

It is breathtaking how easily you wave away the wrongful deaths of a school full of children and educators.  I think you and Trump share the same degree of empathy (as in zero).

What did you expect?

It’s how they are coded.

I gave empathy. Unfortunately, evil must be defeated.

Where is your empathy for all those killed by this murderous regime?

I must have missed it when they killed thousands of their own people only weeks ago. Where was your empathy?

And what of all the American service members they helped to kill?  Where was your empathy?

And the Israelis they killed?


Are you sure you want to discuss empathy?

I never went here and blatantly demonstrated a lack of empathy for these things you mention, yet you have been called out directly for a specific comment demonstrating how little empathy you have for a certain form of innocent human life.  And your defense is to make shit up about me?  Bitch, please.

We are all judged on our words.

That’s nice.  Btw, your callous words on the mass murder of innocent school kids and educators are pretty easy to judge.  Are you a Christian?  If so and if you’re honest with yourself, your words beg your god for a one way trip south of heaven.

What is revealing has always been your words for the people of this country.

Nobody put words in your mouth.

It should now be obvious that the radicals who have run Iran since 1979 intend to fight until every one of them is killed. After one week they have been neutered considerably, though they still have the ability to toss a few ballistic missiles around and remain fully capable of preventing a revolution by the Iranian people.

The consequences of starting a war with a theocracy should have been apparent.  Ali Khamenei was not a strongman dictator; he was a religious intellectual.  

Trump is attacking the secular administrative government of Iran.  But that's not where the power resides in a theocracy.  Pete Hegseth cannot defeat Islam with all the weapons in the US arsenal.  Believe it or not, the Iranian war is still in the opening phase of operation.  

Now the US is losing control of the theater.  Israeli appears to be fighting a war of retribution now.  Israel has begun attacking oil infrastructure.  The Arab states are beginning to act as free agents.  Water resources are being destroyed (which is more valuable than oil in the Middle East).  The US is now in the position of having to wheedle and whine about 'unhelpful' actions the US no longer controls.

Turning Iran into another Gaza won't eliminate the Iranian theocratic regime any more than it eliminated Hamas.  On several occasions we have witnessed people in the Middle East sacrifice their commercial interests to defend their religious beliefs.  This is a power dynamic that Trump does not understand.  (This also explains why Trump never understood the grassroots MAGA movement.)

By weeks end there was a war of words so to speak on Fox's "The Five." 

Now that the miscalculations made by Trump Republicans are becoming so plainly obvious they can no longer be swept under the rug, there is a heightened effort to revive 'culture war' talking points.  But Trump Republicans have killed all there culture war horses.  DEI, CRT, BLM -- dead horses.  ACA, Medicare, and welfare queens -- dead horses.  Tax cuts, job creators, fiscal austerity -- dead horses.  Crime, immigration, rule of law -- dead horses.  

Trump Republicans killed off all their distractions supposing that would change Republican politics into a more business-like discussion.  But where are the business results?  Diddling the data seems a bit too much like the fraud Trump Republicans are wheedling and whining about.

At this point Trump Republicans can only snipe from the sidelines.  They aren't even in the game any longer.  Trump Republicans are destroyers and not builders.  And now they're losing a voice in what will replace what they have destroyed.  The Trump administration losing control over the Iranian war mirrors what is happening at home.  Trump only knows how to create chaos but he doesn't know what to do with that chaos.  So, Trump moves on to the next big thing, leaving a trail of destruction without contributing anything to what will replace it.

Trump Republicans are being cut out of the future.  And, apparently, they haven't realized that yet.  

I think this is one of your better commentaries. 

Well then maybe Trump was wrong to finally putting an end to the Iranian threat. Maybe he should have done like the presidents before him and simply kicked the can down the road until one day an Iranian leader said we now have nuclear missiles that can hit you and we don't care if you can respond in kind. Let us kill all the Jews or we will use them.

And maybe we should just let China manufacture everything we buy to the point where they can put a complete embargo on our needs unless we do what they want.

And maybe we should let a bunch of enriched thugs keep taking the lives of millions of Americans with fentanyl because it isn't a good look to execute them.

And maybe we should go back and get Susan Rice & the Obamaites and let them take the country wherever they were taking us.


Trump Republicans are being cut out of the future.

Sorry, we don't want that kind of future. 

“Well then maybe Trump was wrong to finally putting an end to the Iranian threat.”

This is not, by any stretch of the imagination, an ‘end’ to the threat. In fact, there is no end in sight…just more incoherent rhetoric and less understanding of the consequences. Incompetence does not lead to a long term winning outcome. 

Well then maybe Trump was wrong to finally putting an end to the Iranian threat. Maybe he should have done like the presidents before him and simply kicked the can down the road until one day an Iranian leader said we now have nuclear missiles that can hit you and we don't care if you can respond in kind. Let us kill all the Jews or we will use them.

THIS ^^^ is the type of crap we've had to tolerate from looney tunes on both the left and right since the end of World War II.  Doing what needs to be done in the stupidest way possible does not excuse the stupidity.  Just because the Iranian threat needed to be addressed does not justify any action motivated by ignorance and bull-headed incompetence.

Defusing a bomb with a sledgehammer only seems sensible to those suffering chronic cranial vacuum.

And maybe we should just let China manufacture everything we buy to the point where they can put a complete embargo on our needs unless we do what they want.

Then why did Trump start a religious war in the Middle East instead of preparing the US to compete with China?  The excuse that this will starve China's oil appetite is pure nonsense.  The US can't even replace the munitions the military is burning through to obtain 'peace through strength'.  That is not China's fault.

And maybe we should let a bunch of enriched thugs keep taking the lives of millions of Americans with fentanyl because it isn't a good look to execute them.

When has 'whack-a-mole' solutions worked?  This nothing more than warmed over 'domino theory' hash.  We're still stuck in Korea because of this type of demagoguery.  

Sorry, we don't want that kind of future. 

Then why allow Trump to silence your voice?  

Trump does not understand the power dynamics of a Charlie Kirk or a Jerry Falwell or a Billy Graham.  Trump does not understand the power of virtue over vice.  Trump does not understand the power dynamics of hope making sacrifice bearable.  Trump does not understand how faith can overpower defeat.  

Trump cannot lead the country into the future because Trump does not understand leadership.  Trump only understands subjugation and dominance.  Trump does not understand that it is impossible to kill the dead.  Trump is blind to the real power of martyrdom. 

This is not, by any stretch of the imagination, an ‘end’ to the threat.

Of course not, the war isn't over.


In fact, there is no end in sight…just more incoherent rhetoric and less understanding of the consequences.

Do you think it is impossible to destroy them?


Incompetence does not lead to a long term winning outcome.

It has only been a week, and Iran no longer has an air force or a navy or command centers and about 75% of their rocket launchers are gone. I'd say that was a very effective 7 days.

THIS ^^^ is the type of crap we've had to tolerate from looney tunes on both the left and right since the end of World War II.  Doing what needs to be done in the stupidest way possible does not excuse the stupidity.  Just because the Iranian threat needed to be addressed does not justify any action motivated by ignorance and bull-headed incompetence. Defusing a bomb with a sledgehammer only seems sensible to those suffering chronic cranial vacuum.

They were a legitimate threat, and we are fighting to win. It isn't like Korea or Vietnam or Iraq. This should have been done decades ago.


Then why did Trump start a religious war in the Middle East instead of preparing the US to compete with China?  The excuse that this will starve China's oil appetite is pure nonsense.  The US can't even replace the munitions the military is burning through to obtain 'peace through strength'.  That is not China's fault.

Those problems were created by quite a few presidents. Trump was not one of them. He is trying to rectify the mess.


When has 'whack-a-mole' solutions worked?  This nothing more than warmed over 'domino theory' hash.  We're still stuck in Korea because of this type of demagoguery.  

When has allowing drug cartels to morph into monsters worked. This is the way to do it. Take them out!

Then why allow Trump to silence your voice?  

Trump does not understand the power dynamics of a Charlie Kirk or a Jerry Falwell or a Billy Graham.  Trump does not understand the power of virtue over vice.  Trump does not understand the power dynamics of hope making sacrifice bearable.  Trump does not understand how faith can overpower defeat.  

Trump cannot lead the country into the future because Trump does not understand leadership.  Trump only understands subjugation and dominance.  Trump does not understand that it is impossible to kill the dead.  Trump is blind to the real power of martyrdom. 

Really?  Then why is the left so frightened of him?

... total bummer that trumpski's bff putin is filling in those gaps for the iranians.

I think democrats should take a lesson from history and adopt the nixon '68 and reagan '76 strategies, by cutting a backdoor deal with the iranian leadership prior to the midterms while the maga civil war rages ... 

whatever happens, the orange menace probably won't be able to manage all the wars he starts, iran, cuba, and russia, especially if he tries to take control of the midterm elections and maga republicans in congress risk disappearing between DC and home every weekend ... 

What war has Trump started?

If you say the war with Iran, of course, you would be wrong.

Iran started that was 47 years ago.

Trump is finishing it.

you seem to forget that reagan promised peace to the iranians before he was elected, and then sold them arms after he was ...

he got the hostages released and then <poof> we didn't hear anything out of them for years

Iran started that was 47 years ago.

source?

he was too busy giving millions of undocumented workers amnesty and funding drug cartels and narco politicians in central and south america by then ...

the orange menace probably won't be able to manage all the wars he starts, iran, cuba, and russia, especially if he tries to take control of the midterm elections and maga republicans in congress risk disappearing between DC and home every weekend ... 

Well, I'm sure that if comes out smelling like a rose by June, you'll be the first one to give him credit.

a maga revised US history book ...

he'll still be a criminal, traitor, and child molester by then ...

For your reading pleasure

Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia

They were a legitimate threat, and we are fighting to win. It isn't like Korea or Vietnam or Iraq. This should have been done decades ago.

Iran was a legitimate threat to Israel.  The threat to other Arab countries is not so clear cut.  Iran was not a threat to the United States other than exploiting supply chain vulnerabilities.

And, yes, we are fighting.  But Trump's idea of 'winning' may be the outlier.

Those problems were created by quite a few presidents. Trump was not one of them. He is trying to rectify the mess.

That's true.  Presidents since Reagan have focused attention on 'culture wars' and financialization of the US economy.  Presidents of both parties have focused on creating fake money, inflating away the US debt, and opening the borders for multinational corporate invasion.  

In spite of Trump's patriotic jingoism he hasn't really made any significant changes to that culture.  Our trade deficits are reaching new heights.  Our manufacturing is withering away.  Financial monopolists are even more entrenched.  Trump is now boosting cryptocurrency which even more fake than our fiat currency.  Trump may be changing the pigs gorging themselves at the public trough but Trump is slopping those pigs the same way past Presidents have.

When has allowing drug cartels to morph into monsters worked. This is the way to do it. Take them out!

Or legalize the dope the way marijuana has been legalized.  I can't tell if Trump is addressing the problem or eliminating the competition.  What is RFK, Jr. advising?

Really?  Then why is the left so frightened of him?

Why do Trump Republicans celebrate their manliness in terms of fear?  Why is it necessary to make the left afraid?  

I haven't seen the left falling to their knees and begging for mercy.  Have you?  

What war has Trump started?

Are you attempting to claim that trade wars don't count?

Well, I'm sure that if comes out smelling like a rose by June, you'll be the first one to give him credit.

JUNE?!?!?!?!????

I doubt the financial sector will swallow 10 weeks of uncertainty.  Global trade is already struggling after just one week.  It really is doubtful the military stockpiles can support a 10 week campaign while preparing for the next dominoes to fall in Trump's 'peace through strength' strategy. Europe won't accept Ukraine being placed on the back burner for 10 weeks.  And it doesn't seem likely that Cuba can wait another 10 weeks.

The problem with creating chaos is lack of control over who seizes the opportunities.  Trump has certainly proven he can break things.  But Trump can't control who will benefit from the destruction.

What war has Trump started?

Iran, and before you start the verbal gymnastics, he called it a war, so did Rubio, several times. 

Well, I'm sure that if comes out smelling like a rose by June, you'll be the first one to give him credit.

I would never, personally support a radicalized rightist. The right is destroying this country. It's sickening. My days of supporting ANY radicalized rightist anti-American bottom feeder are over. 

My days of supporting ANY radicalized rightist anti-American bottom feeder are over. 

Which ones did you support in the past?....

GHWB and GWB. 

a radicalized rightist.

That's a new one. I'll be on the lookout for them.

Are you attempting to claim that trade wars don't count?

Stupid comparison

Who was physically harmed during any trade war?

ran, and before you start the verbal gymnastics, he called it a war, so did Rubio, several times. 

So you must believe that kidnapping 60 Americans and holding them hostage for over a year is not an act of violence and an act of war.

What about the numerous Americans Iran or their proxies have killed over the decades? No act of war there?

Trump and Rubio are correct...It is a war

That Iran started

Why do liberals reside on the losing side of EVERYTHING that is happening in this country?

Stupid comparison Who was physically harmed during any trade war?

Tariffs are not the only economic weapon in the arsenal.  Trade wars also include sanctions, embargoes, isolation of banking systems, seizure of assets, etc.

The tools of economic statecraft used to alter a country's behavior were weaponized by Joe Biden to defeat adversaries.  Countries have been denied basic necessities which has directly resulted in physical harm.  Denying access to medical devices, medical appliances, and pharmaceuticals deliver the same harms as bombing hospitals.

If Iran had, in the past, steered away from their "death to America" ideology and attacks on American assets throughout the ME, the bombs would probably not have happened.

They are the ones that chose this route

They are the ones that chose this route

Iran is still choosing its own path, too.  Hegseth keeps escalating the attacks on Iran but they aren't falling to their knees and begging for mercy.  In Trump world, that's losing. 

We're expending the resources we need to defend the homeland.  We still have to contend with terrorists.  We've provided those terrorists another "death to America" excuse to attack us.  Trump has proven that the Israeli tail wags the American dog (because Netanyahu nominated Trump for a Nobel Prize).  

What are we accomplishing?  How does this war of Trump's whim benefit America?  Trump has upset the balance of power in the Middle East.  Removing Saddam Hussein and Iraq did not stabilize the region.  Removing Ali Khamenei and Iran will not stabilize the region.  Trump has created a situation where old, long standing rivalries among the Arab states will reemerge because now they do not have a common enemy.   

Hegseth keeps escalating the attacks on Iran but they aren't falling to their knees and begging for mercy.  In Trump world, that's losing

It's only been 10 days. The Iranian regime has had almost 50 years to build what they have done.

"We're expending the resources we need to defend the homeland."

Ensuring Iran is no longer the threat to western civilization IS defending the homeland.

" Removing Ali Khamenei and Iran will not stabilize the region.  Trump has created a situation where old, long standing rivalries among the Arab states will reemerge because now they do not have a common enemy.   "

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And maybe we should let a bunch of enriched thugs keep taking the lives of millions of Americans with fentanyl because it isn't a good look to execute them.

Since 2018 only 250,000 people have died from fentanyl and annual rates have been decreasing  since 2022.

Fentanyl Statistics 2025: Latest Overdose & Addiction Data

Sorry, we don't want that kind of future. 

Who are "we"?

In fact, there is no end in sight

Really?

We may find out sooner than you think.

Maybe Obama shouldn't have allowed to them to become so powerful.

only 250,000 people have died from fentanyl

Oh, is that all!

Let's let it go then.

Despite all of the safety features and laws about driving the death toll is still about 45,000 a year.  Gun deaths 44,000 a year.

Are we ever going to give up guns or cars? hell no,

Fentanyl deaths are decreasing due to education and much better distribution of Narcan to police and first responders.

Fentanyl will never go away because hospitals use it so many different ways now.

Top 10 Leading Causes of Death (2024 data)   Visual Capitalist

1. Heart disease   – 683,037 deaths (≈22% of all deaths)
   Risk factors:  High blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, prediabetes.

2. Cancer   – 619,812 deaths
   Most common types:  Lung cancer, colorectal cancer, pancreatic cancer.

3. Unintentional injury   – 196,488 deaths
   Includes:  Motor vehicle crashes, falls, drowning, poisoning.

4. Stroke   – 166,783 deaths

5. Chronic lower respiratory diseases   – 145,612 deaths

6. Alzheimer’s disease   – 116,016 deaths

7. Diabetes   – 94,382 deaths

8. Kidney disease   – 55,070 deaths

9. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis   – 52,259 deaths

10. Suicide   – 48,683 deaths

If this Administration wanted to make hay about something more significant, maybe they could restore all of the grants into cancer research that were canceled

or just use all the money wasted on the Venezuela "excursion" to cure Alzheimer's or something more important than the self abuse of the druggies among us.

That's a new one. I'll be on the lookout for them.

Good, start with a mirror. 

or just use all the money wasted on the Venezuela "excursion" to cure Alzheimer's or something more important than the self abuse of the druggies among us.

And what about the more recent "Iranian 'Excursion' "?

This has just been announced by the administration:

Scoop: Trump claimed in G7 call that Iran is "about to surrender"

I think the Iranian "Experts" choose the new leader based on how excellent their beard is.  BBC = Beautiful Beard Contest.

I like hilarious religious stereotypes too, but american thumpers have no peers when it comes to ridiculous religious pageantry.

I don't think there's many fedora stores in iran, and amazon deliveries may be a bit sketchy now. however, in the interest of promoting peace in the region, a compromise might be possible. maybe those clerics could be convinced to wear their prayer rugs over their shoulders, grow their sideburns long and buy curling irons, and then order some nerd glasses with inch thick lenses. bobbing and weaving with a little box strapped to their heads might be asking too much though. /s

the current religious conflict in that region, well on the way to it's 2nd millennium, will never find an end. peace will be realized only when the most radicalized religious and blood thirsty men of peace from all 3 abrahamic cults have exterminated each other. instead of finding temporary solutions for a peace that never lasts, alter the process. gather all of them and their sons, isolate them in a remote place with no means of escape, provide them with the primitive weaponry from when the conflict originated, and weekly air drop only enough provisions to feed and water half of them until only one is left standing. then abandon him there to starve or execute him. the world will rejoice.