This week, Donald Trump will turn U.S. airports into dystopian hellholes.
Long lines.
ICE watchmen.
Sudden arrests.
Soaring prices.
How Donald Trump's heavy hand will be visible in every terminal.
I wonder how many TSA agents ICE will arrest. There are s-o-o-o-o many who speak Spanish - a sure sign that they're illegals!
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Travelers at any major U.S. airport will soon feel like they’ve entered a foreign land. Long lines will snake out the doors. ICE agents will patrol the terminals looking for people to pluck out, arrest, and deport. And soaring ticket prices (in some cases, double or triple what they cost just a month ago) will hit travelers like a gut punch, giving them the kind of economic vertigo more commonly associated with countries suffering from runaway inflation.
All of it will have a single source: Donald Trump.
Indeed, the U.S. airport is about to become the most visible symbol of America’s speedy slide into autocracy.
I’ll start with the lines.
Since February 14th, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has been operating without full congressional funding. Republicans cannot pass a DHS spending bill on their own (a remarkable failure for a party that holds majorities in both the House and Senate). Democrats have refused to supply the necessary votes until the administration agrees to some basic conditions to prevent DHS from becoming the centerpiece of a police state. Basic conditions.
Democrats are not demanding the dismantling of ICE or a reversal of the administration’s immigration agenda, although personally I think they should. In fact, from a legal perspective, their demands sound almost meager. In exchange for their votes to fund DHS, they’re asking that ICE agents identify themselves when making arrests, that people detained be told why they are being arrested, that agents not kick down doors without Fourth Amendment warrants, and that individuals not be disappeared into a shadow network of detention facilities before their families or lawyers can locate them.
In other words, Democrats are insisting that the federal government obey the U.S. Constitution.
The White House has said “no.” Instead, Trump has chosen to make the standoff your problem. That is, if you have any plans to travel through a U.S. airport in the near future, the administration wants you to suffer. By design. The president of the United States is betting that you’ll be willing to forfeit your constitutional rights in frustration rather than deal with long lines at the airport and mounting flight cancellations. Seriously. And unfortunately, he may be right.
Fifty thousand TSA workers — essential employees legally required to show up — have been working without pay for over a month. More than 400 have quit . And travelers at some of the nation’s busiest airports have been told to arrive as much as five hours early . The whole situation is expected to spiral further this coming Friday, March 27, when airport screeners are slated to miss their second paycheck.
All of this is happening on purpose.
The White House is hoping that by the time enough families are stranded in security lines with their luggage and screaming children, they’ll be angry enough to demand that whoever is “blocking” a deal just give in already! “Please,” they’ll shout to their representatives, “give Trump whatever he wants!” And what Trump wants is to keep doing what he’s been doing at DHS, including illegally jailing thousands and thousands of people, including American citizens, residents, visitors, and immigrants.
The White House says it’s going to send DHS agents to the airports to try to alleviate the suffering. But as always, the president let his real intentions slip this weekend.
Trump announced on Truth Social that, starting today, he would deploy ICE agents across U.S. airports to “do security like no one has ever seen before.” This includes patrolling terminals to identify people for “immediate arrest,” he said, if they’re suspected of not having lawful status. He told ICE to “GET READY.”
Anyone who has closed their eyes to the president’s authoritarian crackdown is going to have a hard time keeping them shut if they have travel plans. It’s worth pausing here to note that the U.S. Constitution guarantees Americans the right to travel freely within their own country. It’s not a conditional right. It’s also not a “privilege” extended at the government’s discretion.
Yet this week, the airports through which Americans exercise the right to freely travel will be patrolled by agents that the country has already seen brutally kill their fellow citizens, arrest lawful residents without any due process whatsoever, and disappear people into a secret network of detention facilities being constructed beyond public scrutiny. A year ago, most Americans could not have imagined this is what their country would look like.
But that’s not all.
The planes that U.S. travelers are boarding are fast becoming too expensive to afford, as prices surge and airlines consider scrapping routes altogether. The reason, again, is Trump. His war against Iran, which was launched without congressional authorization and which 92 percent of Americans believe should be ended ASAP, has sent global oil prices into a death spiral. Trump has tried to convince Americans that high prices are actually good for them.
The airport, then, is where all of it converges this week. Terminals are about to become dystopian hellholes, symbolic of everything happening in the United States. Trump’s campaign to assert his power domestically, intimidate the political opposition, transform DHS into his secret police, ignore the law, and launch wars wherever he damn well pleases… will show up in the one place that’s already stressful enough to visit.
More specifically, the long lines are his wager that he can frustrate you into surrendering your constitutional rights. The ICE agents — and the people plucked from the crowd in front of you — will be a reminder of who’s running this country and how the man in charges views his total authority. And the soaring prices will remain his unapologetic tax levied on the world for a war most of them don’t support.
So here’s to hoping that the millions of Spring Breakers who pass through those terminals don’t just bury their heads in the sand when they get to the beach. If they do, they’ll come home without a democracy.
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Actually flight travellers are appreciative of anything which will improve wait time
This is Trump yet again sending in his goons to try to coerce Congress.
How in hell will untrained ICE personnel help matters? That is not how systems work. Throwing untrained bodies at a problem typically makes things worse. Especially if these individuals are geared up to be aggressive (as opposed to police officers who are generally geared to keep the peace and order).
They could help with peripheral issues (e.g. directing crowd traffic) that require no special training. But they cannot address the key short-term problem of the lack of trained TSA staff.
Far better would be for the fucking PotUS to ensure TSA (and other critical services) do NOT get disrupted by idiots in Congress who endlessly play politics at the expense of the American people.
The President doesn't write legislation; he does not vote on it, he signs it or vetoes. I believe he has the majority of Republicans voting to reopen the Government. The big item in this is Voter ID which is an 80% issue and funding the government (not ICE) which includes TSA. What else would you like him to do?
No shit!
The PotUS does, however, influence Congress. How is it that you do not know that? Trump has been influencing Congress his entire term. Even before he was elected.
Are you confused, Trump has influenced Congress, 80% of the voters WANT photo ID, ICE is already funded! Democrats are keeping Government closed, not Trump. What part of that don't you understand?
How long do we think it takes somebody to be trained on the metal detecting wand?
They already know how to check IDs. They already use sniffer dogs to search for illegal substances. The X-ray viewer might take a few days to learn.
They mainly know how to shoot people.
Well damn, they are failing then.
Since you recognize that Trump has influenced Congress greatly, you should then be able to figure out what I meant by:
In super super simple terms I am saying that Trump should use his influence to avoid the disruption of critical services such as TSA.
See? You know he could get the GOP Congress to ensure the TSA is properly and consistently funded.
You are trolling.
ChatGPT:
You are of course over-simplifying a major systemic change. The change is the introduction of a workforce that is wholly untrained and likely not of the right temperament to perform TSA jobs.
The best outcome would be if the ICE workforce focused on crowd control and not try to instantly become TSA personnel. If this stupid move by Trump continues over time, then it makes sense to have ICE workers be vetted and trained in an accelerated fashion so that they can assume some of the low-level TSA positions.
A smart solution is to not play political chicken with critical services such as TSA. But that requires a leader who has the best interests of the nation in mind.
I don't read what you won't type yourself.
No, you're overcomplicating a minor temporary substitution of moderately skilled labor.
There are skilled TSA jobs and then there are jobs that any LEO could take over with minimal additional training.
Oh FFS. Are these paper or plastic straws at which you're grasping?
So you do not read links to articles, seeds, legal documents, etc.? You are being ridiculous. It is your loss if you petulantly refuse to read anything from an AI source.
Not only do you look down upon TSA jobs but you are thinking at the job level instead of the system level. This is not just bringing in someone to help, it is bringing in an army of untrained 'helpers'. System dynamics rules here and you completely ignore the complexities.
How naive to think that the poorly vetted, poorly trained ICE workforce that implements a forcible roundup of human beings has the right temperament to deal civilly with a frustrated public.
To do work like that of the TSA, one needs to stay cool, professional, and know how to be stern while keeping the public cool. That is not how ICE works.
When was the last time you flew out of a US airport?
How many TSA agents did you see? What were their jobs?
How utterly ridiculous to assume that people are only capable of one "demeanor" for all situations, and that LEOs will somehow treat every interaction with everyone the same way they treat the pursuit of illegal immigrants.
The idea that you could possibly be serious about this is somewhere between hilarious and staggering.
I'm fascinated. How far does this madness go?
Since "demeanor" is somehow fixed and independent of location or situation, do you just assume these men go home, beat their wives and slam their 8 year olds up against the squad car? Do you think they're fingerprinting everyone at the t-ball game? Do you think they're checking IDs of all the people in their Sunday School class?
How deep does this run?
Entirely irrelevant questions. You are trying to judge the training required of a TSA agent by observing the interactions as a mere passenger.
Best you can do is a strawman? I made the point that ICE agents (at least those properly trained) have entirely different methods and objectives than TSA. But with the rapid expansion (more than doubling) of ICE agents, they did not even get fully trained or vetted. ChatGPT (with links):
Looks like your posts have devolved into low-grade trolling lacking a real argument.
Trolling my ass, place blame where the blame belongs. Why is it always Trump's problem??????? The Democrats are causing this problem because they didn't get their way, bitch at them!
Once again, goose, if Trump so desired, he could ensure that the TSA is paid and is no longer used as political leverage.
Trump is the PotUS and the Rs in Congress do his bidding most of the time (as you even acknowledged). So pay the TSA agents and stop fucking with them and the American people.
IMO the dems got rid of Noem and got Homan to take care of Ice. He has admitted ICE was not being run correctly. Rather than take the win the dems are sticking to their abolish ICE bullshit so they can try to get some more votes for the midterms. As far as I am concerned they are at least as guilty as fucking with the American people and using the TSA as political pawns as the Rep.
And Trump has publicly said as late as yesterday for sycophants in Congress not to pass anything that isn't attached to his voting bill. So at this point Trump cares less for TSA Agents than the Dems who are trying to push through funding.
I don't give Dems a push here either. They could stop playing games and start pushing a non-partisan moderate coalition, but are themselves too afraid of being primaried during this age of hyper-partisan politics.
Talk to Chuckie, he holds the 4 hour waits in his hands. Why are you condoning Illegals voting?
No one I know is doing that - It's already illegal for non-citizens to vote in all 50 states.
Nobody is condoning illegals vote. More made up bullshit by the MAGA @#$%
more republicans have attempted voter fraud in the last several elections, than the number of ineligible immigrants.
You are off on a different tangent. I am talking about fixing a problem the right way: fund the TSA rather than toss ICE into the equation (making a bigger mess). Trump is the key to fixing the problem and is the key to GoP opposition to funding TSA.
My point is that Trump can fix this problem by funding TSA. Congress could fix the problem on its own. But Trump has unusual control over the GoP (still inexplicable) so the key is for Trump to take action and show some positive leadership.
Nothing is registering with you. You refuse to recognize that Trump could easily solve this by funding TSA.
As I noted, you are trolling. Nowhere do I even hint that I approve of illegals voting.
Gotta wonder where this crap come from.
Right wing populist propaganda bubbles. We've discussed it before... it's confirmation bias.
It is the dems that tossed ICE into the equation of funding the TSA and DHS
That would be to fund DHS without the ICE carve out
He could but that is a band aid and not necessarily the best thing to do for DHS. You can't just ignore ICE as part of the equation.
The question really becomes if ICE is no longer there what will stop illegals? Is ICE broken beyond repair? If Trump doesn't think so why split something that doesn't usually get split?
I know, so showing an ID to vote isn't a big deal! Showing you are a US Citizen to register to vote isn't a big deal either, is it?
It's not Trump problem, all the Republicans have voted to open the Government.
Yah, that was kind of a troll.
Just doing everything you can to ignore that the PotUS can influence Congress to fix this problem by funding the TSA rather than bringing in an untrained, inappropriate force to try to shore up TSA.
Of course you view this in partisan terms (blame the Ds) rather than what is best for this nation.
Congress has the ability to just fund the TSA and deal with the rest of the bill as a distinct matter.
Funding TSA is not a band-aid. It is a sensible thing to do long term. Indeed, they and other critical services should NEVER be used as leverage for political purposes. Trump can end this situation right now by funding TSA instead of stupidly deploying ICE and creating a bigger problem.
Again, again, again, I am saying that Trump's solution of deploying ICE is stupid and that instead of doing that, he should use his demonstrated influence to fund TSA. An opportunity for Trump to actually demonstrate leadership and do something positive for the nation.
Trump making a positive decision like this is far quicker and easier than waiting and hoping our hyper-partisan Congress will do what is right.
How long do we think it takes somebody to be trained on the metal detecting wand?
Just what everybody wants - some shit ball, loser, angry ICE agent, after another whirlwind training course, waving you with a wand, poised to beat you to death for looking nervous or having a screw in your bone that keeps setting off the detector. I’m sure TSA agents would have something to say about how meaningless and simple you think their jobs are.
Perspective on how easy it would be for Trump to solve this problem. Step one is for him to get out of the way.
I am already required to do that. The twelve states that don't didn't have enough impact on the electoral college to stop Trump from becoming the asshole in the big chair so what do you think compelling them (illegally) to do so would accomplish?
I still don't understand why that's a big deal. Registering to vote is not voting. The Constitution makes clear states regulate how they conduct their voting. If the TDS MAGA crowd are sad they can already see how badly they stand to lose in the next election, perhaps some introspection is in order?
Just ignoring where I said Trump could do just that.
Who voted no to fund DHS and continues to vote no to fund DHS? Who is attempting to make this a Trump issue because he will not agree with the dems?
Why should they? Just to shut up the dems and show that playing political games is the way to get things done in Washington?
The sensible thing to do would be what is normally done, fund DHS. Issues the dems have with ICE (many of them their own doing) should have nothing to do with funding DHS.
Yet here we are. We should not send the message that this is the way to get your way.
Trump could also stop any difference the parties have just by agreeing with everything the dems say. Great way to promote compromise. Deploying ICE may help the lines but will not help TSA employees
It's not Trump's problem, what have the Democrats offered?
So.... two hours? Three?
Where is the $$ from the Big Beautiful Bill?
Supposedly ICE doesn't need the money. Dems want to fund DHS without including more for ICE.
Simple.
Now Trump nixes a Senate compromise and ties the TSA funding to the SAVE Act, so now it's Trumps fault.
But argue on.
Amen. All these snowflakes want is an advantage without a Constitutional Amendment.
I'm sure you'd like pretend that.
So you're trying to comment authoritatively on people you haven't seen in action in....years? If you had seen them, you would understand how utterly ridiculous your entire argument is.
I'm also sure you'd like to pretend that.
TSA is a massive organization comprised of employees with multiple levels of skills. SOME of what those people do is menial, tedious, repetitive work. The idea that it takes more than a few hours to instruct a trained LEO from another branch how do handle elementary level responsibilities is completely preposterous.
TSA agents go through about 2 weeks of training for a $40k/yr job. It's a thankless job, but it's not rocket science.
ICE agents can check IDs. They can direct people to different lines. They can funnel people through metal detectors. They can search people. They can handle the sniffer dogs. They can carry plastic bins from the end of the conveyor belt back to the beginning. They can put your golf clubs or guitar on a cart and roll them over to the large bag screening station.
They can do all sorts of things TSA agents have been doing..... the things those of us who fly have seen them do.
You specifically said "temperament." You attempted to claim that ICE agents are somehow inherently too mean and nasty to be unleashed on people walking through metal detectors. Is that not what you meant?
Translated "disagreed with TiG's utterly indefensible position".
Are you claiming that I have not observed TSA personnel in years? Where do you get this crap?
No it is not rocket science. And importantly, I never even suggested that it was. I stated that these agents go through weeks of training. That was in response to your cynical | naive | .... claim that ICE could just step in and perform their duties (implying a few hours of training). You of course exaggerate.
What you described is basic crowd control. That is what I suggested ICE could do:
You are just arguing for the sake of argument.
The key factor I had in mind is dealing with tired, frustrated, angry passengers. Dealing with passengers is fundamentally different from dealing with illegals. ICE primarily applies force. TSA primarily applies reasoned deescalation. These are fundamentally different roles and fundamentally different protocols and training.
You just refuse to accept the reality that Trump is playing political games and could solve this problem just by letting Congress do its job:
Now listen to Trump himself:
But I'm sure that Republicans will remember this next time there is a Democrat President in the white house and is claiming the Republicans aren't doing their job and it's their fault if they don't just sign whatever he wants them to sign with no deals in any legislation. Whatever the Democrat President wants he should get it, just like they think their President should get whatever he wants because he's the President and won the last election, right? /s
Training and experience are not interchangeable.
I’m all for the concept of states right as written in our constitution. I just doubt the folks who wrote it envisioned any American could ever be dim enough to not support proving one’s bona fides in order to cast a vote
Still there. Who voted no to fund DHS and continues to vote no to fund DHS?
Supposedly that is not the case
That goes along nicely with their open border policies
It is. Fund DHS
What compromise is that? Oh, the one where the rep got rid of Noem and brought in someone to reform how ICE runs. What is the dem part of the compromise?
Just stating facts.
It's simple, can the Democrats vote and reopen the Government? Yes or No
People doing the jobs is better than no people doing the jobs.
LOL!
Ok...next time you need a surgical procedure let the nurse do it
I'm pointing out that you evaded a very simple question in order to avoid having to face any sort of common sense assessment of the issue.
No, you simply don't read carefully. I implied and I believe that ICE agents can step in and do SOME of those duties. Because they obviously can.
And yet you have continued to argue against the idea. "Untrained" and "wrong temperament", I think you said. Hmmmm.
Well, we've just agreed that ICE agents could take over the work of the majority of TSA employees at any standard airport checkpoint.
Maybe the passengers will behave better. That would not be a bad thing.
I would much rather have a nurse that a $40k yr "doctor" with 2 weeks training.
you mean the janitor ...
Just to be clear, are you suggesting if Trump was taken out of the equation completely Congress would have come to a problem solution?
Better yet if they did what they should have the Government never would have closed.
And maybe others in the airport won't get in their face, scream and try to stop them as they try to give water to people and help direct traffic.
Or maybe some will.
way better answer
If you don't want to wait in crazy long lines for TSA next time, vote Republican.
The ICE agents are probably really nice guys when they don't have fuck heads blowing whistles in their ears, throwing frozen water bottles, spitting on them, cussing them out, wanting to fight all the time, for them to be able to do their jobs is a miracle to begin with.
You claim that it is easy for ICE to come in and do the jobs of the TSA by implying their jobs are simplistic. You offer observation from the perspective of a traveler in contrast to my note that TSA employees undergo weeks of training to do their jobs. And after the training, they then do the job for months to years, gaining experience. Your 'common sense assessment' is naive and cynical. It ignores facts and even basic reason.
I stated that ICE could come in and deal with crowd control. They can also empty the trash, and other duties that do not require much training or experience. They are not going to just step in and perform core duties of TSA agents. Attempt to recognize that the problem is the lack of TSA personnel. There are not enough TSA agents to man the stations and thus airports are running with reduced capacity (everyone funneled into a few lines). For ICE to help in this, they would need to be able to serve as substitutes for TSA personnel. That means they would have to perform the job functions. Job functions that require weeks of training and far more than weeks of experience.
A blatant lie. I am arguing the above ⇡, not that ICE could not help with crowd control.
What drives you to try to defend Trump's stupid decisions? Just amazing that anyone would stoop to such levels of dishonesty just to try to defend yet another stupid move by Trump.
They have to be able to do the job. The situation would be different if ICE was called in to control crowds, pick up trash, etc. That would be helpful. But what is missing are trained/experienced TSA personnel and ICE agents are simply NOT that.
Yes. Senator Kennedy (R) said as much. Did you watch the video? I offered it to give people like you a clear understanding of what is taking place.
Trump is the key person holding this up. You ignored @2.1.41 to maintain confirmation bias.
Trump has been telling the GOP to not cut any deals with the Ds.
There was a story a couple of days ago where an illegal was arrested with her 9 year old daughter with her. This incident happened before ICE was deployed to any airport. During the arrest, where the woman tried to escape, an AWFL got into ICEs faces and demanded badge numbers and names.
This happened before ICE was deployed to assist with TSA.
Some leftists just can't help but to make trouble.
proving it to whom??
The clerk/volunteer at the polling place? The Sargeant at Arms?
I had to do this circle jerk every time a PCS took us to a different State. line up with your birth certificates, medical records and prior states drivers licences
to go to public school, get a new drivers license, switch insurances, get base housing or not.
I am certain that if the great state of Texas needed to, it can find the pictures from my colonoscopy on line or at Medicare HQ... along with marriage, divorce and death certificates at Social Security.
Do we need to carry a personal thumb drive or get bar coded?
The whole concept is like trying to kill gnats with an 8lb sledge hammer.......it does more harm and zero improvement.
If you don't want to wait in crazy long lines for TSA next time sign up for TSA precheck and walk right through.
TSA PreCheck® | Transportation Security Administration
There was a story a couple of days ago where a white officer pulled over a nice car in a nice neighborhood for allegedly driving 30mph in a 35 mph zone.
He demanded that the older black female put the window down alle the way when she did not he responded with "you people": comments, took her license and registration back to the patrol car, came back with a citation for obstructing traffic. She snatched the papers from his hand and she said " See you in 1019 later today. I will be in touch. "
He said WTF and walked to the back of her car and used his flashlight to break her tail light.
She was livid and jumped out of her car yelling "how dare you?"
he said "why are you dressed like that?"
She said "I'm the Judge in Court room 1019.
He immediately says "well why didn't you just identify yourself."?
He was suspended and ordered to make restitution
Some racists just can't help but to make trouble.
Shit happens.
Probably applied to ICE within 24 hours.
Not sure how this has anything to do with what I posted and the subject matter at hand....however....do you have video of this encounter, because we have been told here several times...if you don't have proof, it never happened.
And before you ask for proof of what I posted...here ya go
ICE agents restrain crying woman and child at SFO, footage shows
What you posted was not ICE agents handing out water or directing traffic was it?
For some inexplicable reason you posted the opposite.
Two unidentified men detaining a woman at the airport and several people asking for ID, badges, some hint that they are actually on the job.
and doing a pretty poor job of it to boot.
A poor deflection from the prior conversation.
Just my opinion, of course.
No. I have said there are SOME things they can do.
Many of the subjects covered in that training are the ones you've already said ICE agents can do.
Let's take a look. From TSA.gov
Hmmm.... So it looks like 8 of these 10 responsibilities can be handled easily by an ICE agent..... or a Chick fil a employee.... or any teenager who has worked at a movie theater.
Attempt to realize real life isn't binary and there is more than one way to solve most problems.
Riiiight. Because it takes weeks to learn how to "Ensure security check points are properly supplied with an appropriate supply of bins". Weeks, I tell you... weeks.
The saddest part about all of this is how you seem to be totally oblivious to exactly how unhinged your arguments have become.
You've already lost that argument spectacularly.
Ironic. You resort to the childish and dishonest declaration of victory. A tacit admission that you cannot rebut the fact that TSA personnel undergo weeks of training and have months and years of on the job experience that will not magically manifest in ICE agents.
The childish part is you continuing to disagree with your own comments and stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the most obvious facts.
You have admitted on multiple occasions that ICE can handle what you call "crowd control". Turns out about 70% of the average TSA agent's job is crowd control.
You're still trying desperately to pretend that somehow matters. I can only assume that's because you have nothing left to cling to if that goes, and then you might have to strike this off your "reasons I hate Trump" list.
Doubtful...
For about 25% of their job. The rest they can learn in a half a day. That 75% is what ICE can easily do. And they don't need "months and years of on the job experience" to do it
Not the best scenario (which would be to fund DHS) but an outside the box temporary fix for airport lines (it does nothing for TSA agents) until both sides stop their mud slinging and come to a long term solution.
If you think I have contradicted myself then show it. Making false, unsubstantiated claims is just more dishonesty from you.
I did not admit it, I stated it upfront. And where do you get this nonsense that 70% of their job is crowd control? Lying and making shit up is not an argument.
Training and experience matters. Imagine having to claim otherwise because your feeble argument depends upon this nonsense.
Making claims without factual support is meaningless. Back this up.
Further, demonstrate how one can quickly train an ICE agent to replace a TSA agent. After all, many jobs have parts that are easy (e.g. a reporter spends a lot of time dictating, typing, fact-checking, etc.) So do you think you can replace that reporter with someone who knows how to type, dictate, fact-check but does not know how to write (especially write like a professional journalist)?
Clearly not. It is stupidity.
The solution that I have stated repeatedly is for Trump to pay the TSA agents. He could have done that by just letting Congress come to its agreement (as Senator Kennedy noted) or by just issuing an EO (as he finally announced he would do).
You mean for the Democrats to stop their tantrum and end the shutdown.
The platitude ' You mean ... ' typically is —and is the case here— followed by a misrepresentation rather than a honest, sound rebuttal.
No, Jeremy, I meant for Trump to either get out of the way (stop blocking Congress from working out a way to pay TSA) or to take direct action himself.
Turns out, he announced that he will take direct action. So why did he let the TSA personnel suffer, drive them to seek other employment, and cause so much pain for the American people when he obviously could have addressed this upfront?
Trump Makes Major Announcement
I'd agree but then we'd both be wrong.
Since Congress (specifically Democrats) are the problem you may want to reconsider your blathering.
Your 'rebuttal' is a cliche.
You ignored the facts presented and merely claim partisan bullshit.
Trump could have stopped this on day one. He chose to not do so!
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Well that's good because I never made such a claim...did I?
"For some inexplicable reason you posted the opposite."
No, I posted proof of my initial claim 2.1.62.
"Two unidentified men"
Yea...just random dudes rolling up on someone to arrest them for being in the country illegally. I guess anybody can do that now, huh?
"people asking for ID, badges,"
Things they need to not get involved with.
"A poor deflection from the prior conversation."
No, right on target with 2.1.62
"ust my opinion"
Noted
That's the comment from RDC you responded to.
Your example of ICE behavior was not ICE agents handing out water or directing traffic.
The rest is just a knee jerk reaction to automatically disagree
Wait............ I thought Democrats where against having to prove you were a U S. Citizen !
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ONLY to vote
Well.....how about that Trump screwed the Democrats again and funded TSA by Executive Order
Only Congress can disperse funds, so the EO would be Unconstitutional if it got that far.
It did spur the Senate to pass what the Dems asked for all along, unanimously, last night.
Now it' s up to the knuckleheads in the House to pass or fuck up.
In announcing the EO, the White House admits that there is no funding crisis at DHS and that they can pay the TSA people.
If DHS has the extra funding to keep paying ICE and BPC officers, then they can damn well pay everyone else under the DHS umbrella.
A perfect example of blind partisanship.
You do not care about solving the problem, just "screwing" the Ds.
You have argued that Trump could NOT act to fix this problem yet Trump just proved that he could ... and that he could have done so on day one.
No TSA employees needed to go without pay, no passengers needed their plans screwed up by outrageous security delays. All of this was unnecessary but Trump not only chose to hold TSA and passengers hostage for political purposes, he even actively tried to prevent Congress from making a deal that would fund TSA.
But, no, you only care about dishonestly spinning this into an attack on Ds.
Blind partisanship is disgusting.
Trump does not care about the law or the CotUS.
And the key here is that Trump could have issued the EO on day one. Illegal or not, that is nothing new for Trump. And I personally see no reason why the Executive branch could not just pay TSA.
Apparently, Democrats disagree...
Agreed
Again with the partisan crap.
Do you not care about the consequences to the American people?
Trump could have prevented this but chose instead to use TSA and airline passengers as leverage for political purposes.
Partisan? Remind me again where the last few shutdowns originated...
Yes, absolutely 100% partisan.
Instead of focusing on the unnecessary harm caused by not paying TSA employees and all the consequences thereof, you focus on blaming the Ds.
Note the both Ds and Rs did indeed have a solution but Trump nixed it.
Trump could have solved this problem on day one.
Focus on the facts, objectively, instead of pointless partisan crap.
Partisan is blaming the Republican President because a minority of Democratic Senators are holding Americans hostage and risking their security by filibustering bills with majority support to fund DHS.
Trump could have solved this problem on day one.
Why he should reward partisan terrorists taking hostages?
This EO probably won't be challenged because it directs DHS to treat the TSA payroll as essential, the same way they are paying HSI, and ICE agents.
Typically one would expect the party not controlling the WH would be blamed for any impasse in funding appropriations.
But if you are implying that the majority would be caused by the Dems, that just isn't the common belief.
2026 will probably start out as the Dems and end up as the GOP.
The EO directs DHS to use discretionary funds used to pay ICE agents to also pay the TSA people, which could have been the case without causing the TSA to suffer and lose 480 agents.
Trump doesn't care.
Trump used the TSA (and travelers) as political leverage. He could have paid TSA and avoided this pain; he could have NOT blocked Congress from reaching an agreement to pay TSA.
There is no defending this. Deal with political opposition without fucking with the American people.
I have not been stating that this is all the Rs fault nor have I placed all the blame on the Ds. What I have been doing is noting that Trump was holding the Rs back and, worse, he could have addressed this issue himself (apparently). That is not partisan, that is objective reasoning.
You, et. al., on the other hand frame this (and pretty much every issue) in partisan terms. Always the Ds fault. How you cannot recognize the partisan bias in that is frankly not believable.
Why do you constantly defend Trump no matter what?
And if he did, leftists would scream that he is authoritarian and going over Congress.
Now they want him to do just that.
Democrats need to get their poutrages in sync.
I wonder how all the liberal white folks feel about Trump not shutting down their "No Kings" whine fest today.
You would think a dictator would not allow such an event.
Your posts are partisan fantasies. You created a ridiculous boogeyman and then complain about what this boogeyman would do.
In doing so, you ignore reality.
Trump intentionally used TSA and thus airline passengers as pawns for leverage. He blocked a compromise from Congress (that means both Ds and Rs) to fund TSA and now it seems he could have unilaterally funded TSA all alone.
This is the guy you continue to support and defend by constantly, absurdly recasting everything into a partisan whine.
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Deal with political opposition without fucking with the American people.
Amazing you can direct that at the President and not a minority of partisan Senators using the filibuster to prevent Congress from passing legislation with majority support. Really amazing.
, et. al., on the other hand frame this (and pretty much every issue) in partisan terms. Always the Ds fault. How you cannot recognize the partisan bias in that is frankly not believable.
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Most Liberals before the democratic shutdown:
"Trump can't bypass Congress and do what he wants"
Most liberals 40 something days into the democratic shutdown:
"Reeeeeeeee....Trump should have bypassed Congress to pay TSA agents
I can assure you these same liberals, in private, are pissed Trump signed the EO to pay TSA. They would rather have Americans suffer in 3-4 hour waits in airports.
[✘] Proving voter bona fides is a bedrock principle of a valid and effective election process. Intimating otherwise is nonsensical. Without it elections would be meaningless. Without it I could perhaps organize bus loads of people, travel to a loony left Michigan districts like Ann Arbor or Detroit, flood the ballot box with conservative votes and upset their little liberal apple cart down there in left wing clusterfuckery land.
Proof validated by the mechanism established by the local jurisdiction is an absolute minimum. The jurisdiction bestowed with the honor and privilege of the public trust, to honestly administrate any election of the people, for the people and by the people is responsible. Public trust. Key words here. Penalties for not discharging these duties honestly are probably not harsh enough.
Whining about hurdles required to verify voter bona fides is weak sauce related to insuring the process of effective elections. As far as the military is concerned they have all the data required to complete this process for any service member. Including getting to appropriate ballot to the appropriate service member wherever they are. They just don’t do it. Which has nothing to do with proving who that service member is or isn’t. Pretty sure Uncle Sam has that covered though.
Yeah, it was a pain in the ass while serving, which isn’t right but again that has nothing to do with proving voter bona fides.
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Heads would roll, people would be hanged from cranes, dogs would be living with cats … etc, etc
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Maybe you will take a stab at the answer that no MAGA has been able to give for over 5 years, including Trump - what is your evidence that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump? Not pointless bullshit opinion, evidence. I think 5 1/2 years is enough time to gather that into a coherent factual argument.
Maybe you should stop trying to label everyone and explain what your problem is with proving voter bona fides. A question asked many times, of many people and I have yet to get a reasonable “coherent” answer here from my friends on the left.
Hint: it has nothing to do with your attempted derailment using the 2020 election, pro or con.
Donald Trump was all for mail in voting until it dawned on him that it wasn't helping him, then he changed to claiming it was being used to "cheat" him.
There is nothing wrong, at all, with using signatures to verify voter eligibility.
Cool, please explain how that works to us unwashed masses.
Trump has a history of destroying every business he has ever run due to corruption and mismanagement. Now he is running America into the ground as well.
‘Donald Trump was all for mail in voting until it dawned on him that it wasn't helping him, then he changed to claiming it was being used to "cheat" him’
And he still is ‘t. What you fail to post is that he is against mass mailings to every residence in tje city/county, no matter if the addressee still lives there or is even still alive.
That leaves way too many openings for people to cheat.
What you also failed to post is that he voted by mail in the recent Florida special election held in the county MarA Largo is in.
‘Now he is running America into the ground as well’
Would you say the same if Trump was a D, because he was for the most of his life…..until he finally found sanity
Tru dat.
Nope, not a chance.
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Absolutely. Criticism of Trump is not a function of his current party affiliation. It does not matter the party of a PotUS who is:
Especially when this PotUS:
What is remarkable (and disgusting) is that some are so cultishly tied to Trump that they refuse to open their eyes.
My posting history is consistent. I do not frame my arguments in partisan terms (e.g. the left, the right, the Ds, the Rs, …) but rather in terms of real events using supportable facts and logic.
Trump is the predominant problem. He is fucking things up left and right and is constantly top news. Thus my comments are predominantly about Trump. And that would be the case no matter what party he was affiliated with.
Your comments consistently defend Trump.
Gee I wonder what was deleted, something classy I expect?
My DNA, dental records, fingerprints, driving history, medical history and travel records within and without CONUS are a matter of record at the FBI, CIA, SSN, IRS, DOD, SEC, Customs and probably a few other departments I am not aware of.
Medicare has my colon polyps in person and on film.
I have provided proof of citizenship at every time requested by any entity legally required, to prove to my state of residency that I have the privilege to vote in any election they organize through the power of the US Constitution.
The Federal government can only request homogeny from the twelve or so states that don't have photo ID requirements or require birth certificates etc.
Want to change it?
Then someone needs to pass an Amendment to the Constitution, period. Even the 38 states who have the requirements aren't set to relinquish power to the Fed.
The SAVE ACT is an illegal end run around the Constitution. period, if passed it will be challenged all the way to SCOTUS.
The SAVE ACT is the result of the political posturing of one man with an ego larger than the planet who believes that even his victories weren't large enough for his own ego.
But please let's bray on about it endlessly as if it's some religious test of character and the future of the country sways in the balance.
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I know it's hopeless, but could you, for once, cite your source showing that travelers will be appreciative of ICE intervention at airports? And how ICE agents will improve wait times when they will detain anyone with brown skin during the boarding process?
Maybe he took a poll.
Maybe he pulled the poll out of a dark tender portion of his body.
FFS.
If wait times are less, normal people will be happy.
You would think even complete lefties would be happy with the number of ICE agents taken off the streets.
Not if it interferes with their desire to say 'Fuck Trump'. When the only desire is to bitch and complain about everything around the current administration, then nothing will be allowed to get in the way. Especially not common sense.
Seriously?
He didn’t say ICE agents he said improved wait times and he’s right. Most WILL appreciate less wait time. Even the Trump triggered who lie and say they don’t.
I find it increasingly difficult to take these people seriously.
Every ICE agent in an airport is an ICE agent not dragging an illegal immigrant off the street somewhere.
Unless of course you imagine illegals are all busy using their frequent flyer miles shipping champagne in the Centurion lounge.
ICE has been detaining anyone who speaks Spanish. Have you listened to TSA agents lately?
I hope things go well, but it's easy to see how things could go south.
Trump ecouraged ICE to do ICE things at the airports.
Citation?
Seems mathematically impossible.
I've lived in Dallas most of my life. Illegal aliens are part of the fabric here.
If you were compiling a list of the best places to find illegals, the airport would be one of the last places you'd ever look. Too much security. Too much background checking.
Also, they're not actually stupid enough to go somewhere they know is going to be crawling with ICE agents. They're not like entitled American "activists" who think they can go anywhere with no consequences.
Trump has given them a great gift. He has gathered thousands of ICE agents in places illegal immigrants almost never go anyway and announced it publicly.
It's like somebody telling you they're sequestering all the red hat rednecks in Sun Devil Stadium for the next month. You know exactly where not to go.
You're making a BIG assumption here. You are assuming that a bunch of untrained ICE agents will speed up the security lines, whereas they may increase the waiting time by demanding citizen ID's from anyone they want to.
Nah, just using common sense. Question:
What happens with no one at the TSA check points?
The key problem here is a lack of systemic thinking.
Trump is throwing bodies at a problem. He is bringing in people who are trained for one job and having them jump into another job with little or no training. ICE officers may be able to help with peripheral functions such as crowd control or line management. They cannot solve the core short-term problem, which is the shortage of trained TSA staff performing specialized aviation-security work. But much worse, he is merging two entirely different systems. Anyone who understands system dynamics should recognize that this approach is replete with problems (failure points). The idea that this will make things better in the short-term is naive wishful thinking.
Instead of this true idiocy, Trump should work with his sycophantic supporters in Congress to fund critical services such as TSA and stop abusing critical services for political leverage.
They go back to pre 9-11 check in procedures at the expense of the airports and airlines .
I like that idea
What was that again? It's been a while
Posting signs asking passengers not to to bring any weapons on board.
that was all?
You often use exaggerations. You expect your readers to recognize them as such. And then you do not do the same.
Dallas must be a hellhole! Unless of course the presence of all those illegal aliens contributes ot the overall quality of life in Dallas...
I wonder how long before ICE detains a TSA.
Not at all.
ICE at the airport is not intended to make passengers' lives better. It is intended to demonstrate that Trump can put his thugs anywhere he pleases. That he can threaten Americans anywhere he pleases.
I believe it was in the fine print of your boarding pass as well.
LOL!
I flew quite a bit before 9/11 because I was stationed in Alaska but that was so long ago.
I really only remember the nightmare after 9/11 when flying
I remember having families and loved ones waiting at gates to greet travelers.
I do remember that. I miss those days
I remember scoring exotic weed from GI's coming back from vietnam, and fucking with the hare krishners ...
f'n 70's thai stick was brutal 1 hit shit. started out at 5¢ per in thailand and by the time it got to the US, $20.
maga!
Trump.
Such bullshit
trump will get it fixed on day 1, ... of his 3rd term ...
Good stuff...
Somebody doesn't know what an dystopian hellhole is. I've walked off airplanes and ships in France and witnessed troops armed to the teeth serving as security. Shocking as it was to my American eyes, I never thought France was dystopian hellhole for that reason. I'd suggest a few weeks in any place Marxism has taken root for a introduction to the term.
Trying to lessen wait times caused by Democrats isn't it.
The Democrats want to fund TSA
The Republicans want to fund DHS
The Democrats have offered to fund every DHS Branch except ice
You mean the one that is already funded for the next three years? Maybe they should stop with their show to get some more midterm votes and think about those that are not getting paid while they all fight for their sound bites
Thanks for admitting that.
DHS is a sham created by Bush to make up for poor, nonexistent or terrible cooperation between a handful of departments sort of blamed for 911
because many never shared intel or even had incompatible communications equipment.
Here we are 15 years later and TSA, Fema, Coast Guard, Border Patrol and now ICE are all funded separately still.
Dissolve DHS, it hasn't solved anything.
Which basically amounts to political extortion.
To quote one of your hero’s: Elections have consequences.
Fund all of DHS.
The difference being that these troops have been trained for crowd surveillance. ICE has been trained for... nothing.
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Not exactly. They must have had some training in the KKK... Hahahahahah
Post 9-11 and prior to getting the full sky marshal program running many federal agents were required to carry when they flew to fill that immediate need. Any guesses as to how much close quarter type training most had? Yep. Zero.
And yet, not a peep out of our friends on the left.
Drove in to our airport this morning to observe the end of the world blasting this:
End of the world …… infinity 2026 version …..
Dystopian hellhole? I think I'm going to puke! I could almost wish American citizens could be forced to live in someplace like Somalia for a period of time. A place where I saw Somali's line up for blocks outside a U.S. Army desalinization unit's excess runoff pipe. It was a single pipe ran through a compound wall. It was maybe one inch in diameter. It was probably the only clean water most of those people had ever seen. People who had to figure out how to live among various competing warlords who didn't give a damn about them.
If I had to point out the biggest fault of the average American, it would be that they have no idea how good they have it. They confuse first world problems with third world problems.
Only dullards and useful idiots buy into rhetoric like this. The target audience for the snake oil salesmen pushing it.
Why isn't Jesus helping them? Or is Jesus busy communicating with Pete Hegseth about Hegseth's desire to have Americans pray to have God help us to kill infidels?
Dystopian hellhole is just more hyperbole thrown out hoping it will stick.
That being said having ICE agents at airports is just putting a leaking band aid on the real issue IMO. Getting TSA agents back to work is important and this will just shift the blame from dems not getting them paid to repubs not getting them paid.
I do have to admit, it is fun to watch the left set our hair on fire and run in circles over something the people they support created.
I think it is fun watching them go from subject to subject to be upset about. Then they forget about things and move on to the next thing. I think they get their orders about what to be upset about around 8:00 AM every day. Just not sure where the orders come from.
The triggered Trumpists have one thing in mind and they never forget -- their slavish devotion to their Dear Leader.
Reality says otherwise
Delusional triggered Trumpists wouldn't know reality if it bit them in the ass, which it often does.
Uh huh, sure
Delusional triggered left wing socialists wouldn't know they are being mocked relentlessly every day and that most Americans truly hate them, as they do.
Don't you want a link?
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That's not delusional.
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Going from subject to subject is unavoidable when Trump creates a new catastrophe on a daily basis.
Anything to distract from the Epstein files. I guess what Bondi and Leavitt say about Trump being the most transparent president ever is actually true. It's easy to see through his bullshit lies.
‘Anything to distract from the Epstein files’
What distracted Biden for four years to not release those files?
This is a dry run for having Trump goons intimidating polling places in November.
The only ones intimidated are those that shouldn't be there, well, and the left
I can hardly wait for maga to try that ...
So far they are just standing around like Mall Cops or wandering around.
Miracles! Most of them HAVE NO MASKS!!!!!
So they aren't afraid of "doxxing" or death threats now????
Just a pack of lies tossed about to inflict these goons everywhere.
Such a "dystopian hellhole".
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Yet another leftist with a whiny voice making himself look like an idiot.
Seems to be a pattern...
Lol, that guy is a total moron.
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The "I'm paying your salary" is always a good thing to say when you want something.
Typical skid mark.
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“Yet another unhinged lunatic racist leftist,,,,”
We see them everyday, they are all over the place.
Didn't they just have a nother "protest" for something that doesn't exist in the US?