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Trump's border wall expansion just bulldozed an ancient tribal site

  

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Via:  1stwarrior  •  6 months ago  •  22 comments

By:   1st Warrior

Trump's border wall expansion just bulldozed an ancient tribal site
“Those things were made by our ancestors, and it’s hitting home. … For me, it’s an emotional subject,” she added.

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President Donald Trump’s expansion of the wall along the southern border with Mexico has damaged a rare Native American archaeological site in the Arizona desert, area residents said Thursday, as the administration moves to rapidly build hundreds of miles of additional barriers in a $46.5 billion project.


The   aggressive expansion project   — funded by the One Big Beautiful Bill — is erecting three miles of wall a week, introducing barriers in parts of Texas that did not previously have them, as well as a second wall in much of California, Arizona and New Mexico.

The construction is not abiding by environmental laws and other protections, alarming advocates, national park staff and Native Americans.

In Arizona, construction crews ran heavy machinery through and destroyed a roughly 60-to-70-foot swath of an intaglio, a more than 200-foot-long ground etching that looks like a fish and is thought to be at least 1,000 years old, said Richard Martynec, a retired archaeologist who now volunteers his time surveying the area.

Satellite imagery from Friday shows a disturbance crossing the intaglio area.

Lorraine Marquez Eiler, an elder of the Hia-ced O’odham Indigenous people, said the damage happened last week.


“If someone came to Washington and started destroying all the different sites that people in the United States revere, it’s the same thing for us,” Marquez Eiler said.

“Those things were made by our ancestors, and it’s hitting home. … For me, it’s an emotional subject,” she added.

The intaglio is inside Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, where a government contractor overseen by Customs and Border Protection has been working on the barrier project for weeks. The Interior Department administers the refuge.

An Interior Department staffer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media, confirmed the intaglio had been damaged last week.

CBP did not immediately respond to questions about the damage.

The primary goal of the wall “is to gain operational control of the border,” the   CBP website   states. “These border barriers are intended to provide persistent impedance and denial to illegal cross-border activity.”


The Department of Homeland Security has issued waivers so that border wall construction does not have to follow laws that protect the environment or Indigenous sites, which normally require extensive study and planning to limit damages.

Most of the refuge is already separated from Mexico by a single wall, with the administration building a second parallel wall in a bid to increase security. Illegal crossings have fallen to historic lows under Trump, leading some conservation groups to question whether additional barriers are necessary.

Martynec found the intaglio in archaeological surveys of the area with his wife, also an archaeologist, in 2002.

While there are other intaglios near the Colorado River, this etching is unique for southwestern Arizona. “There are very few intaglios in this area, so by losing part of it, it’s a big deal,” Sandra Martynec said.


Native Americans made the intaglio by scraping the blackened stones on the ground to lay bare the white soil beneath, Richard Martynec said. It was probably used for ceremonies, although that and the intaglio’s exact age are hard to know.

Richard Martynec said he had visited the site about two weeks ago and saw stakes running through the intaglio and extending in both directions, appearing to mark the future path of the border wall.

There were no tire tracks leading up to the stakes, indicating that whoever placed them chose not to drive through the area.

“They knew something special was there,” he said.

At the time, construction seemed distant, he said, so he did not alert anyone to try to stop it. He had heard that government officials were actively discussing with locals how to mitigate any damage.

Native American residents, including the nearby Tohono O’odham Nation, have expressed concerns about other significant sites that lie in the path of proposed border wall construction. Those include Quitobaquito Springs, which is also home to endangered turtle and fish species, in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, as well as a Native American grave site.


Leaders of the Tohono O’odham Nation did not respond to a request for comment about the damaged intaglio.

“Somebody is responsible for this, and we all know who that is, and he should be held accountable for it,” Marquez Eiler said, referring to Trump. “He’s getting away with whatever he wants to do. He’s doing it. No one is stopping him.”


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1stwarrior
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1  seeder  1stwarrior    6 months ago

Didn't realize the DHS has more constitutional power then does Congress.  If I remember correctly, only Congress can give waivers to NEPA Fed Govnmnt contractors/construction.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1    6 months ago

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devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @1    6 months ago

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devangelical
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1.2.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.2    6 months ago

trump supporters are getting what they voted for ...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @1    6 months ago

The Big Beautiful Bill and a Trump EO say they are exempt because this is another " National Emergency" exception.

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Does the “One Big Beautiful Bill” Exempt DHS from EPA Regulations for the Border Wall?

The   One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA)   does   not   explicitly state that it waives all EPA regulations for the Department of Homeland Security’s border wall projects. However, it   does   provide   billions in DHS funding   for border wall construction and related infrastructure, and DHS has already issued   executive waivers   that bypass certain environmental laws, including those enforced by the EPA.

Funding and Scope

The OBBBA allocates   $46.5 billion   to Customs and Border Protection (CBP) for border infrastructure and technology, including the wall system, access roads, sensors, and other detection equipment   GovWin . This funding is intended to accelerate construction and deployment of physical barriers along the U.S.–Mexico border.

Waivers and Environmental Law Bypass

Separately, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem has issued   executive waivers   that allow construction to proceed without certain environmental reviews. These waivers include:

  • National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA)   compliance

  • Other laws such as the   Endangered Species Act   and   Clean Water Act , which would normally require environmental impact assessments   The Hill .

These waivers are part of an emergency declaration to speed border wall construction and are not tied directly to the OBBBA’s text, but they occur under the same administration and funding framework.

EPA’s Role

The EPA enforces many of the environmental laws that could apply to border wall projects, such as NEPA, Clean Water Act, and Endangered Species Act. By waiving these laws, DHS is effectively   bypassing EPA’s regulatory requirements   for those specific statutes, even if the OBBBA itself does not name them.

Bottom Line

While the OBBBA does not contain a standalone clause exempting DHS from all EPA regulations for the border wall, the   combination of its massive DHS funding   and   prior executive waivers   means that in practice, DHS is operating under a   de facto exemption   from certain EPA-enforced environmental laws for these projects. This allows construction to proceed without the usual federal environmental review processes.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2  Gsquared    6 months ago

This is a total outrage.  Another incredbly offensive act committed by the Trumpist regime.

If someone came to Washington and started destroying all the different sites that people in the United States revere

Someone is.

 
 
 
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2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Gsquared @2    6 months ago

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Split Personality
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2.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @2.1    6 months ago

I fail to see how responding to this sentence from the article

“If someone came to Washington and started destroying all the different sites that people in the United States revere, it’s the same thing for us,” Marquez Eiler said.

could possibly be off topic by offering up an example of exactly such an incident just this passed Friday.

Maybe the seeder can respond?

 
 
 
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2.1.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.1    6 months ago

Sure - send me a pn of your comment - glad to point it out to you.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.2    6 months ago
“If someone came to Washington and started destroying all the different sites that people in the United States revere, it’s the same thing for us,” Marquez Eiler said.

my response ( in agreement) 

they painted 86 47 in two places on the under construction Reflection Pool of the Lincoln memorial last night.  By this afternoon those sections of the pool were painted sky blue. never saw such quick action to  avoid trump from seeing that.

There aren't even pictures of the "crime", first they tried to tarp over the "offensive affronts to the nation" then they hired painters to paint over the "protest material"

within hours.

Never happened at an Indian sacred place disturbed by non native Americans,, they just bulldoze them or drive over them because they don't respect them.

but thanks for the response and not "quitting".

What happened, did I Mention Trump in violation of some unwritten Red Book Rules?

And while we are at it, what is with the insert of a warrior with war paint on his face?

A threat?

 
 
 
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2.1.4  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.3    6 months ago

Your example of painting "86 47" does not compare to the destruction of secular/religious sites as required by Fed law.  The painting is easily repairable - the destruction of sacred/religious sites that are over 1,000 years old and being used for ceremonies is not repairable.

Listed/marked as off-topic as the comparison do not equate.

The image??  Came with the thread from the news - no message intended.  Not all face painting is an invitation to fight :-) 

Face painting traditions varied significantly between tribes (such as the Lakota, Cherokee, or Navajo) and were deeply intertwined with individual dreams, personal visions, or achievements.  

Key Meanings and Purposes
  • Spiritual Protection and Power: Paint was considered a sacred act to unify strength and spirit, with designs often believed to possess "medicine" or magical powers for protection.  
  • War Paint : Used to intimidate enemies (such as black paint representing revenge) or to prepare for combat by invoking protective spirits.  
  • Cultural Identity: Indicated tribal affiliation, social status, or membership in special societies.  
  • Ceremonial and Daily Use: Used in dances, celebrations, and, historically, by some to signify being properly dressed, similar to personal grooming.  
Significance of Colors

Colors were derived from natural materials like clay, charcoal, and plants. 
  • Red: Symbolizes life, blood, war, strength, and success in battle.
  • Black: Represents power, victory, and overcoming enemies (often used on warriors' faces upon returning from battle).
  • White: Symbolizes peace, purity, and wisdom, sometimes representing the wolf to channel its spiritual power.
  • Yellow: Represents death and signifies a warrior’s readiness to fight to the end.
  • Blue: Often symbolizes wisdom, sky, or water, but in some traditions, it represents trouble or defeat

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Split Personality
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2.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.4    6 months ago
the destruction of sacred/religious sites that are over 1,000 years old and being used for ceremonies is not repairable.

When was the last time this petrograph was used for a ceremony considering it can only be seen from the air and where in the article does it say it is irreparable?

Listed/marked as off-topic as the comparison do not equate.

As compared to what? White people who revere Lincoln and the Lincoln Monument?

Radical Republicans who can't stand any push back from independents or liberals?

Good to know you believe you have all the answers.

Honest to ( whatever you believe ) it's like the more I try to help you, the more you push back because you think we are on opposite sides.

Fuck AI generated by any computer.

Helpful?

Not at all, thanks.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.6  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.5    6 months ago

Definitely not much help SP - please quit trying.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3  seeder  1stwarrior    6 months ago

I'm going to let the Mods handle this.  If they don't find any concerns, this will be my last post.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @3    6 months ago

we all agree with you about this - why should you say this is your last post?

I'm sure Perrie will do the right thing. Fine by me. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4  TᵢG    6 months ago

The US society is complex.   There are many traditions, historic sites, etc., that have been preserved over the decades out of respect and following the basic wishes of the people.

It sucks that an administration can come in and ignore all these factors (including the law) and impose its changes based on a myopic agenda.

 “Somebody is responsible for this, and we all know who that is, and he should be held accountable for it,” Marquez Eiler said, referring to Trump. “He’s getting away with whatever he wants to do. He’s doing it. No one is stopping him.”

Indeed.

 
 
 
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4.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  TᵢG @4    6 months ago

History of the world - whoever wins the battle writes the history/laws - and we know who won that one.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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5  sandy-2021492    6 months ago

It's sad that support for Trump was so strong among Native Americans.  He disregarded their sacred spaces during his first term, and it's no surprise that he's doing the same this time around.

 
 
 
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5.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5    6 months ago

On election night,  a topline exit poll by the National Election Pool administered by Edison Research  and circulated by numerous news outlets indicated that 65% of Native American voters cast their ballots for Donald Trump. While we know that exit polls have a wide range of limitations when they are used for analysis of sub-groups of the electorate, the Edison exit poll elicited  several responses  from Native American  leaders and organizations  who equated  this as disinformation on Native American voters .

Looking at the results posted in the link, Trump didn't get the margin of being strong.

The Nations/Tribes have been sending him messages that he needs to follow up on - but he likes war instead I guess.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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5.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1    6 months ago

I dunno, I'd say 39% of trees voting for the axe is a pretty strong showing for the axe.  And some of those trees still carry water for the axe, and pretty regularly insult those who speak against the axe.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.1.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.1    6 months ago

So it would be logical to say that 61% against using the axe would be a higher weight/stronger?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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5.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.2    6 months ago

Yes.

But I'd also say that 39% voting for and, in some cases, persistently defending the axe, is a stronger showing than the axe should have had.

 
 

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