Does anyone believe California elections?
In 2010 the state of California adopted the "Jungle primary” system, in which the two candidates with the most votes advance, regardless of party, to the general election. Thus far we have witnessed a very familiar pattern. If a Republican happens to be in the race, he may have what seems to be an insurmountable lead but the votes that are counted after election day make that lead disappear.
We just saw it again in the LA Mayoral race in which a dysfunctional mayor, Karen Bass, got enough votes right away to secure the top spot, while Spencer Pratt seemed to have a secure spot in second place. As the various tranche of votes began to be counted after election day an amazing thing happened. Councilmember Nithya Raman was gaining on Pratt by margins that were well over 2-1. As a matter of fact, Raman was even getting more votes than Bass. The turnaround capped another dramatic shift, which is all too common in California elections.
How does it happen?
The devil in the details is not so much tied to the counting as it is to all the mail-in-ballots. In California just about any government agency one comes in contact to, offers to send one a ballot. Everyone gets one. Your word as to citizenship is as good as gold. Your signature on those ballots goes unquestioned. The mail-in-ballots are counted weeks after the election and they are decisive. The power of the SEIU and the teacher's unions as well as the billionaire class of Silicon Valley is also at play.
Spencer Pratt was ahead by 7 points, and Nithya Raman had already given a concession speech. A week after the polls closed the troves of ballots began to appear. About 60% of the vote had already been counted with Raman in third place. The ballots coming in were overwhelmingly for the third-place candidate, Raman.
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When you don't have voter ID's or signature validation or you take people's word as to whether they are citizens combined with ballot harvesting and universal mail-in-ballots this is what you get.
never fear, the defender of america is on the job and will persevere ...
Probably AOC speaking. She can put anyone to sleep.
Petty criticism of a D with no criticism of Trump.
Clearly Trump is not alert and on the job. Do you recognize that?
Sleepy Don applies. How many images of Trump in this semi-alert state have we seen now?
Just amazing, this lying con-man merely declares that the California election is rigged and his minions just parrot away with NO evidence.
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As I states elsewhere, a political party does not enact complex, convoluted, and expensive election laws so the other party has a better chance of winning. Of course, the California elections are rigged. Just because some of the old machine politics have been legalized doesn't change that the elections are rigged.
Legalized fraud is still fraud.
Surely you aren't too old to remember California was a solidly blue state and they whined incessantly about their votes never making a difference in Presidential elections?
The three Californians elected President were all Republican: Hoover, Nixon, Reagan. Of the 18 California governors elected during the 20th century, 14 were Republican.
Kinda makes ya' wonder about 21st century elections, don't it?
Not at all. Lived there for years. You?
Nope, never lived in California. I have relatives that live in Chowchilla. The California branch of the family were associated with the railroads. One of my great-uncles was an engineer on the Coast Daylight driving a GS-5 locomotive.
Agreed.
Deliver persuasive evidence that California has a voter fraud problem.
Not just allegation, actual evidence.
In the meantime, ChatGPT fact checking your allegation with supporting links:
California doesn't let anyone see its voter rolls or how mail-in-ballot signatures are verified. There is good news to add on that front however:
"State election officials could soon face a stark choice: Hand over voter lists to the Trump administration or risk losing Postal Service delivery for mail-in ballots.
That dilemma stems from newly proposed USPS rules that seek to comply with an executive order President Donald Trump signed this spring to crack down on mail-in voting. If courts let the order stand, it would give the federal government an unprecedented role in elections — and could put even more voter data in the hands of Trump officials searching for supposed election fraud.
The proposed rules lay out new conditions that states would have to meet to send ballots through the mail, including giving the agency lists of all voters set to receive mail ballots."
Postal Service won’t deliver mail ballots for states that don’t hand over voter lists, under plan for Trump directive | CNN Politics
Verdict: Misleading
As your gaslighting leftist sight notes: the descriptions of CA law are accurate.
Vic you're wrong on this one, it wasn't illegals or the homeless, it was the registered voters, this is how it was done.
Every registered voter gets a mail-in ballot, so the area is ripe with ballots and many won't bother because it is just a primary. A ballot harvester starts making the rounds, they knock on the door "Have you voted yet", "Yep handed to the post office already", "Thank you for your vote".
Knock on another door "Have you voted yet", "No", "If you do vote, who is your choice?", "Pratt", "If you vote, thank you for your vote and you know where the post office is".
Knock on another door "Have you voted yet", "No", "If you do vote, who is your choice?", "Bass", "Are you sure? You know that Pratt will be one of the two in the general, right?", "Oh, I do really hate that guy", "If you don't want him to even have a chance at winning the general, since Bass is already ahead a vote for Raman will insure that he never makes it to the general". The ballot is filled out for Raman, signed and dated and the ballot harvester takes it in for them. Easy and legal in California.
This is how the mail-ins didn't match the percentages and most remarkably that Bass actually lost ground to Raman.
Voter fraud is not the same thing as election fraud. Blaming the voters for the actions of politicized election institutions conveniently moves the goalposts. Voter fraud is a red herring utilized primarily by Democrats to craft an argument they can win.
A voter could cast one fraudulent vote. But partisan officials controlling the election can shift thousands of votes. The scale of potential fraud is not comparable.
Counting votes for weeks after the election is systemic fraud. Relying solely on signatures to certify ballots is systemic fraud. Manipulating political party primaries to provide a partisan benefit is systemic fraud.
You are correct and I did mention the ballot harvesting. The whole system is designed to make fraud legal.
If Raman had already been solidly in second place those late bundles of votes wouldn't have even been looked at.
Do something more valuable than tossing out unsupported (ridiculous) allegations.
Deliver evidence of election fraud in California.
Universal vote by mail is nothing more than machine politics controlled by precinct captains. Unsolicited ballots are distributed by mail without any controls over campaign material or campaign coercion -- something considered electioneering at polling stations.
It's one thing to run a 'get out the vote' program to get people to the polls. But that same sort of program under Universal Vote by Mail is electioneering fraud. Door knockers under UVM is electioneering fraud -- even if it is legal. Legalized fraud is still fraud.
When young Turning Point USA Republicans organize their own door knocking activities (and they're quite capable) is there really any doubt Democrats will begin squealing about 'voter intimidation'?
explain how vote by mail states are in the top half of secure elections in the 50 states nationwide.
Legalized fraud is still fraud. If security over elections has been weakened by law then the claim has been devalued.
Back up your claim with credible statistics of election fraud.
...evidence of widespread fraud, make shit up! That's what angry bitter white nationalist fuck wads do when they irrationally fear some fantasy erosion of 'white culture'.
The real headline should be:
Why Shouldn't anyone believe California elections?
If they can answer that with ACTUAL FACTS and not a bunch of horse shit conjecture, then perhaps we can have a discussion. As it is, all I see on the right are a bunch of whiny out-of-State sore losers who think their moronic conspiracy theories should be validated even though they've FAILED over and over again to prove even the tiniest whisp of widespread voter fraud after YEARS of trying.
They're like a dog desperately trying to 'prove' they can get a leg pregnant. If you only give them a little more time, they're sure they can make this baren shin bear fruit!
No, the problem lies with far-left radicals who lie & cheat.
I'm sure that leg will produce evidence of widespread voter fraud if you just keep at it! /s
State sore losers who think their moronic conspiracy theories should be validated even though they've FAILED over and over again to prove even the tiniest whisp of widespread voter fraud after YEARS of trying.
The selfless attempts to prove it exists by sneakily engaging in it themselves is some serious dedication though. Of course they get caught every time, as anyone with a functioning brain would know is going to happen.
That's the problem though. That precludes the majority of Trumps base. I'm almost a little jealous of Trump and Republicans. They've built a base of supporters and convinced them that being stupid and uneducated is a good thing and that the problems arise when good God-fearing people dare to try and fly too close to the sun and get 'edumacated' and go off to those God forsaken 'Univer-cities'. They built a base that's so stupid they can't even tell what's truth or lies and sit there watching Fox News and their pastors and just nodding going "Yup! Amen! Uh huh!" without doing a lick of thinking themselves because rightwing conservatives have made it so easy for their constituents to not have to think. Just trust them. And if there's one thing a lazy useless rightwing religious conservative bigot likes its doing things the 'easy' way.
Prove this statement.
California is California. This is a State election so you, your opinions just don't matter. Go wave an umbrella at a windmill.
Mainer's just elected a guy who had his Nazi tattoo's removed. Not my concern, I have no intention of spending any time I have left, in Maine.
Tiny little Maine at least makes a difference in Presidential elections; California, never.
No, it is not just my opinion. Just about any rational observer would come to the same conclusion.
More good news:
"The Trump administration cleared an initial legal hurdle last month, when a federal judge in Washington, DC, who is overseeing one set of the cases, declined to block Trump’s executive order, allowing the Postal Service to begin implementing it."
Postal Service won’t deliver mail ballots for states that don’t hand over voter lists, under plan for Trump directive | CNN Politics
YES IT IS JUST YOUR OPINION...
Breaking News!
California residents don't give a fuck what other states residents "feel" about their elections.
Bring it on, it will just be another court case the current President will probably lose to Jurists he appointed. Lol.
No, It is the opinion of many, including many of those middle-class Americans who fled CA.
Bring it on, it will just be another court case the current President will probably lose
I'll bet he wins. My membership against yours. Deal?
who would enter into a wager with somebody that supports a liar and fraud? is the bet rigged if you lose?
Not really but there are a lot of people, here or elsewhere, that work overtime trying to convince non believers that all is well in California elections.
This effort stops short of providing any information which would be factual/helpful in actually proving the veracity of their election systems. In the meantime, gaslight city.
That is the great paradox, isn't it?
They ask for proof of the thing's democrats' control, yet by the same token, they can't prove us wrong.
You made the allegation; you bear the burden of proof.
This is the second time here that you have demanded proof that California elections do not contain significant fraud capable of affecting their outcomes.
That is a flawed attempt to reverse the burden of proof. You are alleging outcome-changing fraud, so you must provide credible evidence supporting that allegation. Nobody else is required to prove the absolute absence of fraud throughout an entire state before not accepting your unsupported claim.
Can you demonstrate fraud on a scale sufficient to alter the outcome of a particular election? Let's see you identify the election, the alleged method, the percentage of affected votes, and the evidence supporting your conclusion.
You make speculative claims and then demand that everyone else prove you wrong. That is not how sound logic works.
Are you saying that "it could have happened" doesnt persuade you ?
It continues to baffle me why anyone would even think to take something spewed from Trump's mouth and run with it.
He makes shit up ... all the time. He does not even care that he contradicts himself. The man is a lunatic.
Do these people, for example, pay any attention to the threats and withdrawals, promises and violations that Trump has engaged in with the Iran war alone?
Bag on Trump for his inappropriate comments and ignore Dems like Platners inappropriate, hateful, misogynistic comments. Just like California. The politics of pick and choose.
it’s a heavy down burst of hypocrisy to say the least. Meanwhile the standard bearers of that philosophy here and elsewhere hammer away at those who have the temerity to point it out and/or disagree with them.
Intellectually It’s very sophomoric and sad for them. So sad …..
That said Cali, with a unfunded public pension liability and debt estimated at over one trillion dollars is in the worst shape of any state in the union. Yes, that is Trillion with a T. When that comes due and with revenue leaving left and right it’s gonna happen sooner than later. They are in deep doo-doo.
You make speculative claims and then demand that everyone else prove you wrong. That is not how sound logic works.
You mean demanding someone prove a negative isn’t a winning strategy?
Even if that were true, it would take a LONG time before Democrats got even CLOSE to the Trump supporters who have been bagging on Dems while they ignore Trumps inappropriate, hateful, misogynistic comments, actions, destruction of the law, illegally slapping his gross name on everything, erecting an embarrassing illegal for-profit wrestling cage on the Whitehouse lawn, being a convicted felon and accused pedophile, accused of sexual assault by over two dozen women, admitted in his own words that he sexually assaults women he finds attractive by 'grabbing them by the pussy', had his charity fined and shut down for fraud, had his business fined and found guilty of tax fraud, paid off two porn stars a quarter million to keep them quiet during his campaign, and on top of ALL that, he inspired an attempted insurrection that led to the violent attack on the capital and capital police and then pardoned all his violent co-conspirators and tried to set up a billion+ dollar fund to pay them off. But you go right ahead whining about Platner, it doesn't make you look like embarrassingly stupid partisans at all. /s
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Watching some folks twist and turn trying to justify why it is OK for Platner acting worse than Trump and Trump supporters is funny as hell. At least they have proven that they don't know what an actual Nazi looks like.
Well don't let me stop you from believing whatever fictions you want to believe. There's simply no point in me trying to police foolish notions or comically deficient fantasies. I do hope that all Trump supporters seek out mental health professionals to limit the amount of damage and trauma that will eventually, inevitably, present itself as they will someday have to relive the assault. "I didn't know! I didn't know he would do that to us! I swear! Waaaaaa!" as they have to show the therapist on the doll where Trump metaphorically touched them.
Platner is unfit to be a US Senator.
But for you to suggest that Platner is worse than Trump illustrates a profound denial of the obvious.
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Rdtc, please let me be clear here.
Rest assured that if Platner had a tattoo of the Israeli flag, the loon wing of the democrat party (a very large portion) would not only chase him out of the democratic party, but throw him out of Maine.
The absolute hatred by some on the left of one small group of people FAR outweighs any dislike a small handful of sane democrats dislike the group that tried to eradicate them 80 years ago.
Being a member of the small group disqualifies them from being president. Ask Josh Shapiro about that.
And seems to be getting larger every day. Makes sense though that many antisemites would hate Trump since he supports Israel
I don't really blame you. When you have no defense and can't even address a single thing I actually said, roll your eyes and ignore it as always. You guys spend SOOOO much time running around completely ignoring the elephant in the room it has truly gotten comical.
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If you want to address the elephant, you know, Trumps inappropriate, hateful, misogynistic comments, actions, destruction of the law, illegally slapping his gross name on everything, erecting an embarrassing illegal for-profit wrestling cage on the Whitehouse lawn, being a convicted felon and accused pedophile, being accused of sexual assault by over two dozen women, admitting in his own words that he sexually assaults women he finds attractive by 'grabbing them by the pussy', had his charity fined and shut down for fraud, had his business fined and found guilty of tax fraud, paid off two porn stars a quarter million to keep them quiet during his campaign, and on top of ALL that, he inspired an attempted insurrection that led to the violent attack on the capital and capital police and then pardoned all his violent co-conspirators and tried to set up a billion+ dollar fund to pay them off, then please do so.
Otherwise, you can stop screaming in horror at the little mouse in the corner with a skull tattoo, no one is buying the over-the-top theatrics or that any rightwing conservatives actually dislike rightwing fascism, these Christo-fascist fuckwads are cheering as their own Gestapo murder Americans in the street. Seems a bit petty to whine about a skull tattoo after literally justifying the killing of Americans.
So far, not a single conservative has addressed any of the numerous facts presented about the man they voted for. Instead, they seem content with just pissing themselves in excitement over a never heard-of-before opposition candidate in Maine because he happened to get a tattoo while in the military that conservatives think they can use to attack Democrats. But I shouldn't be surprised, losers often delude themselves into thinking they're winning the argument.
neo-nazis seem unhappy somebody not a trump sycophant has misappropriated some of their identifying imagery ...
I just gave this to my editorial assistant with the instruction: Prove this is bullshit, because I really don't have the time to deal with this much crap in a bag:
It goes beyond paying the homeless for their vote, and God knows they have plenty of money.
Did you ever think about what it would be like to be an illegal migrant in LA? I'd think I was in heaven. I'd have all kinds of state entitlements plus the full protection of a sanctuary city & state. Just about every government office would be offering me a ballot and my word as far as being a citizen would be accepted.
You can bet your ass I'd want to show my appreciation to democrats by giving them my vote.
ChatGPT fact-checking with links:
There is always the next election...
So your theory is that they have enough money to bribe homeless people to vote for them, but not enough to stop them from being homeless. And these still homeless people vote Democrat because they’re just so grateful…to still be homeless?
Ah. So, your belief that there is fraud is based on personal projection. Got it.
More projection. Also, why should any of us believe you haven't done that in your State? Are you taking advantage of every discount or entitlement you're entitled to? It sounds like you're an advocate for them and want them badly.
So, you're saying no one in their right mind should take your word for anything because that would be stupid? Got it. Also, you seem to forget that it isn't a completely blind "just trust me bro" situation when getting a driver's license in CA which asks whether you're a citizen and wish to register to vote. To get that ID you have to provide lots of documents including birth certificates to a government employee when applying for the license. You have to provide your legal papers, proof of residency along with:
To claim this is just some "hey, take my word for it" and everyone gets registered to vote is FUCKING BULLSHIT so conservatives should really stop lying. It should be really embarrassing, but for those with no shame and their rightwing conservative belief of 'the ends justify the means' I'm not really surprised at their shameful behavior.
That seems to prove what I believe is completely true.
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No, I'm afraid not. The dems made sure that only they can win California elections.
Nope. State officials have no problem with election finances, nor do they lack taxpayer funds to spend on the homeless disaster, in which California leads the nation.
And these still homeless people vote Democrat because they’re just so grateful…to still be homeless?
Evidently, they like the encampments.
Actually, my belief is based on common sense and reports like this:
"As voters hit the polls Tuesday to make their picks in this year’s primary races , a fresh lawsuit against California’s secretary of state is calling into question whether hundreds of thousands of unqualified voters are still eligible to head to the ballot box.
Orange County Supervisor Don Wagner, the Republican candidate for secretary of state, joined the American Independent Party of California in suing incumbent Secretary of State Shirley Weber , alleging that 873,092 inactive voter registrations are still on the rolls."
Shock lawsuit exposes 873,000 'ghost' voters in California
Nice list but those "also" items you listed are also ways to identify. Mortgage, credit cards, utilities etc. i refer you to the SoS of California's page.
And speaking of bullshit.........
"Photo ID is not required, it’s just one of many valid options. ID does not need to show your address or be government-issued.
Although the largest state in the Union with the highest population does have the highest number of homeless people, as would be expected,
it's statistically only 48 out of every 10,000 people.
That pales to New York's 81 out of every 10,000.
Massachusetts is ranked 5th nationwide, with 42 out of every 10,000 people reportedly homeless.
Aren't statistics fun?
Vic, where are the Massachusetts encampments?
... NYC?
I'm sure the weather has nothing to do with those stats. gee, how big is massachusetts compared to california? would LA even fit?
there was a big scandal in my state a few years back concerning red states east of us about giving bus tickets and travel money to denver for their homeless during the weed dispensary boom here.
Actually, they are quite damning
Vic, where are the Massachusetts encampments?
I've yet to see one. We still have clean streets too!
Welcome back.
in the irish neighborhoods, they can blend in better while they're passed out on the sidewalks and alleys ... /s
Only for MASSACHUSETTS or those who don't know how to interpret statistics ( isn't that a college level course?)
MA is ranked as having the 5th highest amount of homeless people in the USA per 10k of residents.
Someone must be doing one hell of a job hiding them and keeping the streets clean too for you to miss that.
Surprising that you have spent your whole life in a blue shithole.
I guess it isn't as bad as some make it sound.
The city of LA has a population of 3.9 million people. Of those, only 326,000 are registered Republicans. Less than 9% of the voters are Republicans. Since Pratt got over 25% of the vote I think he did pretty well. Bring evidence or STFU.
And what does that have to do with people being paid to vote Democrat? You pay people enough, they'll vote for Patrick Star.
the child molesting bag of shit in the oval office claiming the cali election was rigged is the only proof his sycophants need ...
...or someone equally stupid. Oh Look! We...
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Still no evidence? Not one teeny bit?
California has designed a system to make its results seem as illegitimate as possible. Amazing.
The governor bragged about it:
"Newsom said there was a “break-the-glass” contingency plan to prevent that from happening and alluded to behind-the-scenes efforts to rally people. He did not specify his activities, but the Democratic Governors Association recently began sending mail highlighting Republican Steve Hilton as a fierce conservative. The ostensible opposition campaign could drive GOP voters to Hilton, ensuring he consolidates the party’s voters and saps the support of the other Republican candidate, Chad Bianco, enough to keep him from finishing in the top two."
Newsom says Dems have 'break-the-glass' contingency plan for California gov's race - POLITICO
With the TENS OF MILLIONS of KNOWN progressives and Democrats living in CA, do you REALLY believe that the election results going to Democrats are due to fraud? Really?
That's one MASSIVE blind spot that conservatives have here which is that even if they could prove there were a million fraudulent votes in CA, which to be clear THEY HAVE NOT, it wouldn't change the election results. It would have taken 3.2 MILLION fraudulent votes cast in CA for Trump to have TIED Harris.
How do you not all fucking see this? Are conservatives really this fucking daft? Or do they actually believe that there are somehow 4 million illegals voting in CA but they can only ever find evidence of a handful? I mean, they can't be that fucking stupid, can they?
Of course not. California is probably the best large scale example of the Curley effect in our country. Republicans probably won't win a statewide election in California until the next severe recession causes the state to stem the corruption/welfare spigot that fuels their voter base.
But of course, there are millions of Republicans in the state and they can easily win some seats their given fair boundaries. Endless counting of harvested votes makes it hard for them to win those elections.
At the end of the day, if in 2026 California wants to count votes in a way that would have been embarrassing and unacceptable in 1926, that's their business. Myself, I'd rather not live in a banana republic and the clown show of endless vote counting there demonstrates why replacing the electoral college with a national popular vote is suicide for a for a functioning democracy.
And the same can be said for Democrats in conservative majority States where Republicans have gerrymandered the fuck out of their districts to make sure the most Republicans win as possible which makes it "hard" for Democrats to "win those elections".
While it is our business, our elections are representing the will of the majority of Californians so we don't really have to be concerned about what others think. Sure, are there some lying fuckwads who make shit up about us? All the time. But Californians are used to jealous losers trying to criticize us while they ride our coattails.
So, it’s California’s fault that ignorant people who don’t live here are spreading baseless accusations of fraud?
In Maga land? ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY. Could you expect anything more, or less?
Bat shit crazy misses the mark by light years.
Banana Republic?, More hysterical complaints from the chicken little opposition.
Of course if the clown in the Oval office says similar shit out loud, it enables those hangers on.
People who take weeks to simply count the votes in an election should never call anyone else ignorant. Somehow getting more inefficient than pre electricity.
First of all, it has been one week. ONE WEEK! Not “weeks.” Just one. Most races in the state have been counted to 90-something percent of the votes cast. The LA Mayor race is currently sitting at 98.7% of votes cast .
98.7%!
So where are you getting the idea that they are not “simply counting the votes?” Or that it is taking “weeks?” Do you own a calendar?
Did you even BOTHER to look at real election results? Or are you just accepting whatever some conservative nut job fear mongering “news” site told you?
Have you investigated voting across the several states? At ALL? I have. 30 days to certify an election - which is what California requires - is not uncommon . Even in a presidential election, federal law allows about 5 weeks for certification of electors.
And again , it has been one week. Just one . And they have counted 98.7% of the votes cast. So what is your actual problem with the election? It cannot be how fast they are counting the votes.
I've no doubt it's taking this long because they're having to be so careful about doing everything by the book so that the dipshit Christo-fascist liars desperately trying to fuck over our country don't find some tiny flaw and claim nothing can be trusted and declare themselves the winners.
But did anyone actually expect anything different from the losers that are backed into their white nationalist corner gnashing their teeth over their dear Leader at historic low approval ratings? I think it would be silly to expect anything more from folk who are currently excited about Trump erecting a giant embarrassing fake wrestling cage on the white house lawn.
This is what Trump wants, no?
ttps://www.votebeat.org/2025/12/01/trump-lindell-paper-ballots-election-security-myth/
Fact check: What Trump keeps getting wrong about ‘paper ballots’ | CNN Politics
Trump wants to stop states from voting by mail and using voting machines : NPR
Trump Tries to Convince Governors on Paper Ballots and Same-Day Voting
This all comes from a man who has seemingly never been to a horse race; he repeatedly expresses belief that his "horse" won because it was ahead briefly at some
point, but looses in the final stretch, then he calls the race rigged and crooked.
he has a distinct problem with reality, or dementia.
Meanwhile democrats are rallying behind the guy with the Nazi tattoo and a long list of allegations from girlfriends in the Senate race up in Maine.
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Their lies aren't even believable any more.
George W Bush was a Nazi.
This guy is saving democy!
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Clearly being a fascist takes a lot more than just a tattoo. It takes words and actions that support a populist authoritarian. It takes pushing the belief that one's nation, race, or ethnic identity is superior and must be aggressively preserved, often through the exclusion of minorities. It takes rabid support for a centralized single party government run by a dictatorial leader who demands absolute loyalty. It takes the glorification of war, violence, and military expansion as signs of national strength.
"Jews will not replace us!"
Now, after even a smidgen of thought, if someone is still picturing Platner and Democrats as the "Nazis" because of a skull tattoo, I suggest they pull their head out of Trump's ass and take a good long look in the mirror.
imagine telling yourself a few years ago you’d spend your time defending a candidate with an SS tattoo…..
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Imagine getting some lame attempt at equivalence from those who have been defending a convicted criminal President for years who once called neo-Nazi flag and confederate flag waving bigots who were marching with torches chanting "Jews will not replace us!" "very fine people". It's a crazy universe full of surprises. Surprises and piece of shit white nationalists and white supremacists who have found their political home in the Republican party that welcomed them with open arms and mirrors their white nationalist agenda.
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Even Jewish senator sold his soul to a nazi. Might as well stop whining about Trump.
You have no credibility.
Yeah, total bullshit but not unexpected from the Nazi defending peanut gallery. Bernie knows the difference between a real Nazi and the straw man Nazi some comically stupid conservatives have created out of Platner. We all know who the fucking real Nazi's are, and they aren't hiding out in the Democratic party. But I get it, bitter conservative losers desperate to deflect and defend their pedophile boss need to keep lying to themselves and others to keep from taking a long walk off a short pier.
Common Examples of Totenkopf
Totenkopf - Wikipedia
Whatever the hell was tattooed on Platner's chest is certainly not well known as Nazi imagery.
USMC Tattoos using a skull are fairly common
common USMC skull tattoos - Search
here are some traditional Cration tattoos
CroatianTattoos - Etsy
Again no apparent relationship.
I know I'm not super into Nazi history, but I've studied them quite a bit over the years, but I'd never seen Platner's tattoo skull as a specific identifier of Nazi's. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing that exact skull look before it became an issue for Platner. I guess for those who really get into Nazi history and symbolism and look at them all the time and are intimately familiar with them would recognize it right away, as apparently all the rightwing conservatives seem to be, but most people have likely never connected skull tattoos to Nazis. What's that old saying? It takes one to know one?
Hmmmm. Angry rant. Dont worry, be happy
Yes, this guy is damaged goods and should not be a US senator.
What drives people to support someone like this?
Just imagine if the US were to elect a PotUS with poor qualities like Platner. Or, unthinkably, someone whose abysmal character, dishonesty, incompetence, irresponsibility, vindictiveness, lawlessness, and narcissism makes Platner look like a choir boy.
I'm glad that we can agree on something.
I wonder what ChatGPS thinks of Platner?
Imagine being a democrat and spending a decade whining about trumps character and unfitness for office and now meekly lining up and defending an absolutely unaccomplished clown with a SS tattoo….
A literal SS tatoo…….
I saw a video of a Maine AWFL being asked that if Platner has a tat of Israel, would she still support him.
She said no because Irael is committing "genocide".
How ironic can one idiot be?
The progressive base is insane. Hence platner
Just more proof that many on the left have no moral high ground to speak about Trump. Gee, wonder if that is why no one takes the dem politicians seriously with their constant whining about everything Trump does.
The D after her name must stand for Dimbulb.
Yea, people can change is the shit they are trying to shovel.
Not just her
It was just a year ago they were freaking about how Musk waived to a crowd and were trying to destroy him for it.
Now its "an SS tattoo, who cares?"
It will be hard for them not to back him after the way he won the primary.
A literal SS tatoo…
Correct.
What I find the most amusing about the hilarious conservative circle jerk is that they want everyone to believe that that's the line, a skull tattoo. We've been asking them for years where the line is, what would be too far for Trump, when would they jump off the Trumptanic? Not the felonies, not the sexual assaults, not the grabbing women by the pussy, not the accusations of raping a 13-year-old, not his inspiring an attempted insurrection or the pardoning of his violent co-conspirators. Nope, none of that, the bridge too far, the line in the sand is a skull tattoo.
But let's not kid ourselves, if it came out that Trump had this exact tattoo these same Trump sycophants would be defending it and would be more loyal than ever. I mean, let's face it, Trump is the very personification of what every white racist neo-Nazi in America wants and they have been supporting him from day one, why would they care if their dear Leader had an SS tattoo? They'd absolutely love it and he wouldn't lose any support because his supporters are liars just like he is. Truth is inconvenient for pitiful weak scum bag white supremacists, so they abandoned it long ago and hopped on the Trump train where they were welcomed aboard by the other white nationalists who all have the same agenda, they're just less willing to be open about it.
Fantasize all you want abut what Republicans might do, but we know for a fact that progressives don't care about it.
Progressive hypocrisy in a nutshell. "Sure our guy has an SS tattoo and we love him for it, but imagine how those evil republicans would support someone with an SS tattoo. Aren't they terrible!"
There is no credibility in ignoring Trump’s multitude of egregious words and deeds, along with his profound lack of character and morality, and then expressing outrage over a Democratic candidate who is IMO unfit to serve in the U.S. Senate but still pales in comparison with Trump. Not even in the same league of depravity as Trump.
Further, if one is going to dwell on Platner, then where is the outrage over Paxton? Two terrible candidates (morally, ethically) for the US Senate.
The affiliated party should not make a difference. Right?
The House approved a $70 billion bill to fund Homeland Security and Border Security.
It now goes to the President's desk for approval.
He probably even has a real pen to sign it with.
And he is the actual person signing it.
That shutdown the democrats caused and all the havoc they wreaked with travel sure paid off....
But hey, "they fight"
For those interested in justice:
Karmelo Anthony has been sentenced to 35 years for the murder of Austin Metcalf.
He is lucky to only get 35 years.
The fact that people are surprised he was found guilty let alone sentenced is mind boggling. And naturally the low IQ demographic made themselves known:
We seem to have a subculture of very violent people who think it is ok to kill
We saw that when George Floyd overdosed.
Got off light..
More than a little disconcerting that he raised over 600,000 on a gofund me page. WTF is wrong with people?
" white gunman accused of committing a racist massacre at a Buffalo supermarket"
" Police believe the slayings of two black men in Baton Rouge were likely racially motivated and said Sunday they have a suspect — a 23-year-old white man — in custody."
" A white man was sentenced on Thursday to 10 years in prison after pleading guilty to shooting three young black men"
"white supremacist accused of fatally stabbing a black man with a sword in New York City said he would have rather killed a younger — or older and more "successful" black victim."
" a White man accused of fatally shooting three and injuring several others last month in Annapolis, Maryland, is now facing hate crime charges, according to a grand jury indictment."
"Roof murdered nine people and injured a tenth, all African Americans , including senior pastor and state senator Clementa C. Pinckney ."
Well, this was for those interested in justice instead of those only interested in 'just us'.
And before some poorly educated conceited bigot jumps in to claim my comment is somehow defending what Karmelo Anthony did, they can go fuck themselves since that's total horse shit. If that kid did the crime, he deserved the time and should rot in jail. Anyone perpetrating violence, whether racially motivated or not, should be held accountable and brought to justice for their crimes. I only posted this because I regularly see posts celebrating the incarceration of black men, and not just in a "glad they brought this criminal to justice" sort of way, but more of a 'Woo Hoo! Another 'thug' off the streets!" dripping with racist overtones sort of way which is frankly disgusting.
Can you post some of those comments?
Interested in seeing what you are talking about
Is that what it was intended for?
Would you like me to post the FBI crime statistics that you aren't going to like?
please do
the stats that kash patel has already been busted inflating by FBI insiders to keep his job?
Proof?
2024 FBI UCR — Murder & Non‑Negligent Manslaughter Arrests by Race
These figures come directly from FBI UCR‑sourced datasets summarizing 9,215 total arrests for murder and non‑negligent manslaughter in 2024.
Arrests by Race (2024)
Looks like 13 percent of the population continues to over perform....in this statistic.
And looking at those numbers from a racists perspective without digging any further likely acts as a confirmation of the sick twisted racist hate deep in their white sheeted hearts. But if one bothered to look closer, they would find that it has little to do with race and a lot to do with poverty. If you deny an entire racial population literacy, education, job training, job opportunities, land ownership and the ability to create generation wealth over two hundred years, just saying "Okay, ya'll can do whatever jobs you want now and go to any college you want, you're free! Oh, and don't mind the continued racist underbelly that still has the white people in charge of hiring and admissions who, for some reason, nearly always think the white candidate is better qualified, but because they didn't 'say' it was about race, then black Americans can go cry in their pillows because they've got no proof we discriminated! Isn't life grand! Oh, and look, we were right to step on them and keep them down all these years, look at how violent and prone to crime they are!" /s
But if a person wants to ignore reality and use one-sided data in an effort to justify the corrosive deep seated racial hatred in their hearts because they know they're weak little impotent incels and the only thing that gets them through the day is fantasizing about being superior, then that is their choice.
That is a hell of a lot to post to say that you can't debunk the FBI numbers put out by the autopen.
How about parents just teaching their kids to not kill people. This goes for everyone but I'm sure you will see some sort of racist connotation in it.
I didn't try to debunk it, I'm just pointing out that if anyone looks at that and believes it has anything to do with race then they're both a total piece of shit human, and they're stupid to boot.
‘believes it has anything to do with race’
It has EVERYTHING to do with race. How the black community chooses how they want to live is no ones concern but theirs.
No one forces them to live in poverty. In most cases, poverty is a choice because of life choices……..hence the high crime rate by blacks,ESPECIALLY males 18-34.
Not to mention the absence of a father figure .
Wow. Just wow.
So prove me wrong.
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a grocery list of stereotypes ...
Maybe you can provide a grocery list of where I am wrong.
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That's not what your comments prove.
Who believes that tens of thousands of Californians were recruited to engage in a massive criminal conspiracy and nobody told? GTFOOH...
There is the fact the left and democrats believe thousands of people were recruited to engage in a massive criminal conspiracy and nobody told on January 6th.
There is an easy way to end all the speculation:
Let us see the voter rolls!
Didn't NJ just find non-residents and illegals on their voter roles? I think GA found the same in their roles as well
You bet.
I think CA does it even better. If. I as an illegal migrant go to the DMV for a driver's license, I am offered voter registration as well as being included on the mail ballot list.
Then when I go to Medi-Cal for my special benefits I am again offered to be included in mail in balloting. I could put myself down as Victor Eldred on one and Vic Eldred on the other.
So already I'm registered with two ballots coming. And I do want to thank Democrats and what better way than with 2 votes.
Just imagine it.
Losers can continue to speculate. They have no actual proof, just speculation... I mean plenty of people speculate that the rich and government officials cheat on their taxes. Can we look at their taxes to end the speculation?
Sure... Let's make ALL votes across the country public knowledge.
I want to know who in my neighborhood, workplace and family didn't vote and who the others voted for so I can mock them for not voting the way I did. /s
I know my place of employment wouldn't discriminate against me for my vote, but there are others in my area that would.
Now, while that is all happening, the Democrats and their mindless followers shriek over and over that this is NOT what's happening and cannot explain how illegals and non-citizens are on voting rolls and receiving benefits that are being denied to actual citizens.
And we've seen that from the left for the last 10 years.
You labeled it as sarcasm but how many family members and friends have you ostracized based on how they voted. Look at how you treat people here on NT that didn't vote the same way you did.
Again with the fantasies.
ChatGPT fact-checking your post — copied & pasted — and providing supporting authoritative links:
Is that all we have to do to go rifling through your records? Just throw out some speculation?
We’ll be right over. Make sure you leave your front door unlocked. Or we’ll assume you have something to hide.
voter rolls are government papers, what is in a Citizen's house is private
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And there's an easy way for us to end all the speculation about rightwing conservatives being addicted to child porn. Just hand over your phones, don't worry, trust us, we won't plant anything, we'll just look through your browsing history and let the world know whether we find anything or not. I know, you may think we won't be honest since we've been telling the whole world how you love child porn, but we're truly only worried about our kids! We wouldn't care at all if nothing is found and we're proved liars; no we'll be completely transparent in our behind closed doors investigations. And don't worry, in the meantime no one will accuse you of raping kids, no, we just want to make absolutely sure you're not raping kids even though we have no evidence, but you know, out of an abundance of caution we should just shred the law and do whatever the fuck we want, right? I mean the protection of kids should be our first priority. You want to protect kids, right?
They're also valuable data that can be used to target citizens and areas with misinformation campaigns. If it's no big deal, then why don't all the conservative majority States offer their voter rolls up first? There is as much evidence, if not more, of fraudulent voting occurring in Red States as there is in Blue States.
Heritage Database | Election Fraud Map | The Heritage Foundation
State government. Not federal.
Yeah, but that doesn’t keep government agents from trying to get at it anyway, even without a warrant.
Government - any government in this country - doesn’t get to just demand shit that isn’t under their authority for no reason.
The evidence or lack thereof is hidden. Transparency would solve the controversy.
Sure... Let's make ALL votes across the country public knowledge.
I want to know who in my neighborhood, workplace and family didn't vote and who the others voted for so I can mock them for not voting the way I did. /s
I know my place of employment wouldn't discriminate against me for my vote, but there are others in my area that would.
Weak sauce.
There seems to be a world of difference from the way the law is written and the actual enforcement of those laws.
Remember, "Democracy dies in darkness" and it is dead as a doornail in California.
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We don't change laws and give power to others for no reason.
A controversy made of moonbeams and dreams, to give power to others for their own ends. As you say...
My post illustrated, in detail, that your allegations @7.2.2 are demonstrably bullshit.
Clearly, you have no rebuttal.
I suppose fascists do love to just make shit up and then go on fishing expeditions to try and manufacture evidence to support their lies, so your expressed sentiment isn't unfamiliar. But what makes you think anyone should EVER believe proven liars and the lying sack of shit they worship? Why should ANYONE believe a single God damned thing that comes out of a rightwing conservative's mouth? I wouldn't trust these fucking fascist pieces of rightwing garbage to tell me the time of day, so why should anyone let them have access to their voter rolls?
Trusting rightwing conservatives to oversee election integrity is like asking not just foxes to guard the hen house but starving wolves. They are the LEAST trustworthy people in our nation and lie more than they tell the truth just like the miserable piece of shit pedophile President they voted for and continue to defend.
Republicans have as much evidence of widespread voter fraud in CA as we have evidence that Donald Trump raped a 13-year-old along with his friend Jeff Epstein. And yet for some reason, a bunch of liars keep screaming that it exists and to just trust them as if anyone in their right minds would be that monumentally stupid. I suppose when their own base of voters is the only group they get to see close up, it's understandable why they'd think others must be so fucking stupid, but they'll only find that level of complete gullibility among rightwing conservatives and those who ridicule higher education.
What darkness?
Ballot harvesting doesn’t take many people at all. That’s the point.
If you mean the process of turning in someone else’s ballot, that is legal. However, it requires signatures from the voter and the person turning it in. And yes, they check.
I am open to an actual argument, supported by persuasive evidence and reason, alleging that California's election system is fraudulent.
The argument needs to demonstrate that fraud in California changes election outcomes.
Exaggeration, speculation, fantasy, etc. are not arguments.
So is there a real argument to back up these allegations?
Or are we again witnessing the parroting of bullshit from Trump?
Make an actual argument, Vic.
The only evidence these people need is for Trump to say it and, "Presto!" it is so, no matter how removed it is from the realm of possibility.
This is not merely a difference of opinion, either.
They are factually wrong and know that they are factually wrong, yet persist in telling the same worn out and disproven lies over and over.
Some of the less bright might even come to believe the lies they tell to each other.
Those are the ones that you can pity.
Others lie knowingly and exult in their untruths. They know who they are. They know the regime they support has fascistic goals. They are glad of it.
The rest are just fucking idiots with a tribal mentality.
Name those "goals" and EXACTLY what is being done to get to those goals.
No imaginary things, but ACTUAL actions being done.
" a tribal mentality."
Vote blue no matter who
That is one problem neither I nor any other "Conservative" has had on this site. That seems to be the burden of the left.
All-y'all's continued postings on the matter say otherwise.
I consider you to be a True Believer.
I suppose that there must be some type of solace in knowing that, from your various postings on this site, you don't come off as a knowingly racist and fascistic supporter of the current occupant of the White House.
Well, you all have never been right.
Are you sure you want to make that accusation?
Claiming that each in a group of people on a social media site has NEVER been right is an instant credibility killer.
Something has to exist first to be able to kill it.
Me too!
The argument needs to demonstrate that fraud in California changes election outcomes.
We can't do that if California gets to hide its voter rolls. Until they provide them, I get to call them out.
Bullshit, you are arguing that the California election is fraudulent and spouting fantasies, and parroting Trump allegations.
You are free to make any stupid allegation you wish. And we are free to call out your bullshit.
PROVE ME WRONG!
Another irrational post. You know (or should know) that none of us can prove that fraud did NOT happen.
You made the claim; you bear the burden of proof.
Put forth persuasive, quality evidence that the California elections contain significant fraud that affects the outcome.
You deride critical thinking, yet that is what is needed here. Critical thinking requires the objective evaluation of credible evidence. It is the opposite of speculation and unfounded imagination. Taking what Trump spews and running with it sans credible evidence is a fine example of a failure to think critically.
They clearly don't care about facts or proof. They make wildly speculative claims, and demand others prove them wrong, while at the same time refusing to accept facts about their dear Leader that have been proven time and time again even in court. Do you think Democrats could get away with 'it was lawfare!' and 'the system was rigged' or 'it was the deep state' if Newsom had been indicted, tried and convicted of 34 felonies?
It's obvious to anyone with more than half a brain that progressives have, beyond a shadow of a doubt, proven Trump is a felon and that he did sexually assault women and he did pay off porn stars during his campaign and he did illegally institute tariffs and he did fraudulently use his charity and he did run a company that was found guilty of tax fraud. All that coupled with his own unhinged behavior has clearly shown he's unfit for the office of President while Trump supporters have yet to prove ANY widespread voter fraud. So, when the defenders of a convicted felon ask us to 'prove' they're full of shit, the proof is right there on their lying brown-nosing faces.
When I re-read this, it made much more sense from the perspective that you're 'open to', aka 'asking for' " an actual argument, supported by persuasive evidence and reason, alleging that California's election system is fraudulent" because you don't have one. And that is exactly the point TiG has been making.
Oh my God, you people need to stop watching FixNews or MAGAcirclejerkNews, or whatever the fuck it is that disseminates this spooge.
Think about any of this shit for more than a few seconds and you will recognize it as a pack of lies. Or maybe investigate it a little. Have you never heard about a thing and thought, “that doesn’t sound like it should be true?” And then, I don’t know, you could maybe investigate the matter a little further. You know like Mexico paying for a wall, or Haitian immigrants eating dogs and cats in Springfield.
But no, California somehow lives rent-free in the mind of MAGA and so you people will accept an accusation, no matter how stupid it is.
Time for school. But first, you have to want to learn. If all you care about is hating people you disagree with, then you cannot learn anything.
Voters wanted this because in the primaries, it was common and frustrating for the top two vote getters to be in the same party. That reflects the will of the people, but the old system would advance someone in another party to the November election, even if they were the 3rd choice of the people. That practice puts parties over Democracy. The new system fixes that.
Seems? Seems why? If it were insurmountable, professional people would be projecting a final result. But no one was doing that when there was just a few points separating candidates, with less than half the vote counted.
Yeah, you sort of have to wait until after the election to count the votes. That’s how elections work.
Again, WHY did it seem that way? Because you did a basic mathematical analysis of his vote count, set against the percentage of votes actually counted? Or did it seem that way because that just what you wanted to happen?
Yeah that can happen anywhere as you count the votes. Why do Republicans want to decide an election without counting all the votes?
Not true. California does make it convenient to register to vote. Why wouldn’t you want that? But only one government agency sends out ballots.
No they don’t. However, if you haven’t registered, and want to vote, you can go to a polling station and get a ballot. You sign under penalty of perjury that you legally can vote, and your affirmation and signature will be checked before your vote is counted.
You declare it under penalty of perjury. In fact, that’s how most states do it.
That means if you’re lying, you could go to prison. Do you really think that’s a risk a lot of people are willing to take? To what end? To vote? To be one voice out of millions?
Also not true. California has a whole signature verification system. You could Google it. It’s not a secret.
It has been one week. ONE. Not “weeks.” Just the one week.
The state has 30 days in which to certify the election. That’s pretty typical across the country. Within a week of this election, we have solid projections now for the outcome. Republicans are just dick hurt because the numbers on Day 6 were different - and worse for them - from Day 2.
Meanwhile, a Republican did qualify for the run off for Governor. So where is the fraud?
We just throwing out random nonsense now?
With how much of the vote counted?
She did not. But even if she had, Nithya Raman does not certify the election. Do you really want candidates being disqualified on that basis?
Again, not true. It was a week, yesterday. They have been opening and counting ballots continuously since Election Day. Ballots did not just begin to appear a week later. That is a lie. If that were true, then what has everyone been counting for the past week?
And finally, why are any of you surprised? We’re talking about a reality TV guy, with zero political experience, running as a MAGA candidate for mayor of a giant liberal city in the biggest liberal state. How could you possibly think this would be a close call? In November, Bass will have a much harder time defeating Raman than Pratt. Trust me, Bass was hoping Pratt would finish in 2nd.
How many times has trump himself expressed a desire to go back to, in person voting, with paper ballots, to be counted by hand?
It's the slowest possible method.
What the fuck are all of these people ( None of them present or former California residents ) bitching about?
This is what the largest state with 12% of the US population has to do.
Compared to Maine with 1.4 million in population.
or NC with only 11 million.
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California has approximately 39 million people.
Florida has approximately 23 million people.
Florida has their ballots counted overnight. If California followed this by population difference, they should have been completed by Wednesday night.
Technically incorrect on several levels.
Florida law allows counties to begin tallying mail in ballots as they arrive.
California does not.
Texas varies by County.
Pennsylvania is one of 7 state that don't touch mail in ballots until election day.
Florida also allows mail in ballots to be received and counted for 10 days after the polls close; so technically Florida does not count all of the ballots overnight; the late votes are statistically meaningless in most contests.
Meaningless as the two states have different rules, regulations and geographic areas to consider.
Florida law allows counties to begin tallying mail in ballots as they arrive.
Talk about potential for election corruption.
Yes because letting ballots stack up, potentially allowing anyone to simply throw a few extra thousand in the mix is sooooooo much more secure s/
Uhhh, yes, it is. Stop pretending that there is no accounting of these votes. You act like it’s just a big bin that anyone can toss stuff in. Meanwhile in Florida some people are getting privileged information about a vote count in real time before polls close. That is different than an exit poll, and that information shouldn’t be known and trusted to not be disseminated until voting ends.
Where do you get this nonsense? Nothing remotely like this is happening.
florida being the epitome of rightwing election security for over 2 decades ... /s
That they were just carrying around with them in secured election facilities in their magical bag of holding. With just a few flicks of their wands the thousands of fake ballots were intermingled with no one the wiser! "Mwahahahah!" /s
"Swish and flick!"
chinese ballots, printed on bamboo paper, delivered by illegal immigrants, that were left beheaded in the arizona desert ...
Democrats store them in the basements of pizza places, with their underaged sex slaves.
Well, my response was a test to my liberal "friends" here, and none passed.
To wit...
In post 9.1.4, the word "potential" was used. In other words, the poster had zero idea of whether the claim is true or not, most likely the latter. In essence, something pulled out of ones arse.
In response, I also used the word "potential" because I do not know whether what I posted has happened or not. Also, in essence, something I pulled out of my arse.
You posts calls me out, and rightfully so, because I made up what I posted, however, you failed to call out the other poster for the same reason, even those the word potential was used in both posts.
I wonder why that is? s/
Also, in post 9.1.6, the following was claimed, of course, without evidence..."Meanwhile in Florida some people are getting privileged information about a vote count in real time before polls close. "
Here is how I know the claim was bs...from chat gtp..
"Florida does not allow any real‑time vote counts to be released before polls close, but it does allow early processing and tabulation of mail ballots before Election Day — the key distinction that often causes confusion.
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Florida law permits election officials to process and even tabulate vote‑by‑mail ballots before Election Day, but it strictly prohibits releasing any results to the public before polls close statewide. This means no leaks, no partial counts, no early reporting — only internal preparation."
Why did you not call out this obvious bs claim?
Seems like confirmation bias overrides all else.
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Cutting through the massive amount of bullshit you placed on the table, do you have any evidence that the California elections have a significant level of fraud — a level of fraud that even comes close to changing the true results of an election?
If not, then you are simply parroting the outrageous lies of Trump.
By now, I would expect every rational, English-speaking adult to realize that one should never take Trump's rhetoric as truth and always verify his claims against reality (other credible sources).
Oh, thank goodness. The last thing I'd want to be known for is 'passing' rightwing conservative litmus tests.
"Potential" has nothing to do with whether something happened or not. "Potential" is all about whether something could reasonably be possible.
I hear a lot of impossible and implausible shit getting pulled out of rightwing conservatives' asses, that doesn't make them all 'possible' or having 'potential'. Just because some dumb shit claims a 'deep State' cabal running the government is possible doesn't mean progressives need to entertain their stupid moronic claims of a fantasy 'deep states' potential.
That was already assumed from the very long history of bullshit.
Just using the same word doesn't make the premise the same. Saying there is "potential" for " anyone to simply throw a few extra thousand" ballots "in the mix" is a bald-faced LIE unless you can prove there is some unsecured election ballot center in CA or any Democratic majority State with no security that would allow "anyone to simply throw a few extra thousand" as you claim.
Now, I'll admit, it's still quite unlikely that those " tallying mail in ballots as they arrive" would have any more 'potential' for fraud, though it's clearly easier for a ballot counter to claim the ballots they counted went for a certain candidate than to produce 'thousands' of extra fraudulent ballots to hide and then try to include.
In either case, both are easily caught with even the slightest inspection and thus aren't really even worthy of discussion.
But you're right, he didn't call out the other unlikely scenario.
I'm sure he'll get right on it as soon as he sees even a SINGLE instance of conservatives correcting their fellow conservatives when they stretch the truth or tell outright blatant lies. The fact that you're giving him shit about not policing a comment that even your own AI search said was a " distinction that often causes confusion" is one of the most hypocritical, and amusing, things I've read in a while.
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You do know what "illiterate" means, right? If you think you do, then I suggest looking up another word, "illogical" as not only does your reply not make any sense, but it also doesn't reference my comment. Perhaps it was meant in reply to a different comment?
It's what rightwing conservatives excel at so I'm not surprised.
If it were I, I would use spell check and look for missing letters and punctuation before using that particular insult.
highly doubtful the intended receivers would take notice ...
Oh yes, I’m quite sure you sat down in advance and said to yourself, “I’ll test the liberals and see if they pass.”
Oh no, I saw it. The difference between us is that I understand what “potential” actually means. Potential is something that could possibly, actually happen based on observations, measurements, or other evidence. It does not mean any extreme, stupid bullshit you can pull out of your ass, such as:
See, there is no evidence - either provided by you or available anywhere in the real world - to support the idea that anyone could “potentially” insert “a few extra thousand” ballots into the collection of legitimate ballots. There is zero evidence that such a thing is even remotely possible, or that anyone is even interested in or capable of trying.
So there is no potential for this to happen any more than I have the potential to run down the street at the speed of light.
Do you wonder? I’ll tell you. I didn’t read the other post to which you refer. Pretty simple. I didn’t see it, so I didn’t comment on it. I don’t always have time to read everything here.
My agenda in this seed is to debunk mindless, bullshit fear-mongering, especially about California, where I live, so I know something about it. California has been living rent-free in the MAGA collective semi-consciousness for a long time now. I guess the movement needs to identify scapegoats as common enemies, and California made the list.
I don’t know if you all appreciate this, but the people who spread this bullshit - e.g., everybody gets to vote, elections are rigged, there’s no water to put out fires, etc. - look like absolute morons the more they spread these lies.
If you want people to take you seriously when you want to talk about policy, you can start by not spreading blatant lies. I’m doing you a favor by trying to educate you. But as I said in an earlier post, you have to be willing to learn.
Hear ! Hear !
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Florida law permits election officials to process and even tabulate vote‑by‑mail ballots before Election Day, but it strictly prohibits releasing any results to the public before polls close statewide. This means no leaks, no partial counts, no early reporting — only internal preparation."
So, it’s the trustmebro honor system, in Florida, home of the most prolific liar humanity has ever known, working in sync with an intensely sycophantic governor.
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Amen to that, lol
Maybe for Bass, but not for the party. The party would gladly throw Bass under the bus to ensure that another democrat would always occupy that seat. They would never let a republican even get close to the chance of winning.
Oh wow, I just had an epiphany, this is so funny. Bass is cooked/deep fried by her own party, we'll see if it plays out this way, there may be quite a few voters who held their nose and voted for Bass, they definitely didn't want Pratt and Raman had little chance. Now what the party did was knock out the easy win for Bass and replaced him with another democrat, therefore they don't need to vote for Bass in the general they now have another option. Bass would've won against Pratt, now against Raman maybe not. If I were a republican in that area, I would make sure I got out and voted for Raman, you're going to get one of those two anyways, might as well oust Bass.
The LA Mayor is not a terribly strong mayor anyway, but Bass is arguably the weakest mayor the city has had in my lifetime.
Bass is a black woman (her)...
Raman is apparently a popular City Council person of Indian descent with Socialists leanings who Bass helped re-elect and avoid a messy runoff.
The drama llama is strong in this contest.
"the easy win" = Pratt.
The process is the process. There was never an easy win. Bass is very unpopular especially about what happened around the Pallisades.
If a legitimate candidate , not some washed up MTV star had stepped up for the very big job, they would have had a chance even if they were Republican or communist.
It's that bad.
As California continues to count ballots,,,.,
and find them from somewhere
Maybe Newsome should call around and rustle up say, 11,000 votes or so.
Exactly. We all heard the call of actual attempted voter fraud where Donald was trying to find 11,000 votes he needed to win, and yet here are his supporters screaming about CA voter fraud that they don't even have any evidence of. All they have is their own stupid fantasy projection which only really exposes how badly they would cheat if given the opportunity.
It is hilarious how republicans take Trump’s “feelings” about CA election cheating so seriously, with nothing whatsoever as evidence, even going so far as to say it’s impossible to prove but you just know it’s true. This from the guy who thinks CA wildfires are the result of not raking the leaves in the tens of millions of acres of CA forests, and that nuking a hurricane is a reasonable idea, and too many other absurdities to list.
It is sickening that they enable this abysmal human being to continue to damage our nation.
They should just come out and say, "We know you're cheating because it's what we'd do."
Bingo.
"Always blame the enemy of the same things you do."
There was a moment when a radical thought crossed my mind. When Trump lost to Biden he acted like that was impossible, and to me he came across like someone who actually rigged the election but got double crossed, giving context to his claim. Sadly, Trump’s radical and embarrassing behavior is everyday normal.
Trump says it and the right wing turns itself into knots trying to make his BS true...Pretty sad.