Obamacare was the expensive government health care plan in which those who created it, admitted that they needed to lie about it. It was supposed to make health care costs cheaper, but instead insurance premiums for individual market plans have doubled. It is one of the leading contributors to the exploding national debt. We were assured that people would not lose preferred insurance plans and doctors and within a few years of implementation, millions of Americans had their plans cancelled. The ACA's Medicaid expansion is far more expensive than projected. The great beneficiary of Obamacare was the insurance companies who charge far higher premiums than they did before Obamacare while getting massive government subsidies.

In the meantime, American healthcare has been in a state of chaos. Doctors are overwhelmed and insurance companies resist stage 3 medications and various forms of treatment. The emergency rooms are overwhelmed. And now we discover that we have people without Social Security numbers on Obamacare.

The plan needed the word tax removed in order for democrats with super majorities to pass it. It then needed Chief Justice Roberts to save it by declaring it a Constitutionally permissible tax. When Republicans regained power, it took one spiteful Senator to keep it alive in its current form.

It is the curse of Obamacare.

No worries, Trump will have a much better system in two weeks.   

I happen to think we already had a much better system. It was called personal responsibility.

“Every man for himself” is not a system. It’s stupidity.

It is bankrupting the nation to have us all pay for other people's medical bills especially when the health care sector still operates under free enterprise conditions.

I happen to think we already had a much better system. It was called personal responsibility.

So, no system.  If you have money you can get healthcare.  If you don't have money, you get sick or you die.  That works for right wingers, I guess.

If you don't have money, you get sick or you die.

An insurance premium is one of life's priorities. We already have unemployment insurance and welfare for the indigent.

It is bankrupting the nation

We spend money on a lot of things we don’t need to spend on (Iran, e.g.) that would make it easier to pay for healthcare. Also, you could tax a few billion from the Musks of the world and they’d honestly never miss it.

to have us all pay for other people's medical bills

This is how ALL insurance works. 

especially when the health care sector still operates under free enterprise conditions.

Oh yes. 100%. We absolutely need to change how healthcare works. No question. I support universal healthcare, but also reforming the system so that it is more affordable as a system. I want everyone on Medicaid or Medicare (it should just be one program), but I also want the waste and profit gone from the system.

The “personal responsibility” approach will only serve to bankrupt Americans individually, while depriving them of basic healthcare. You can’t conceptualize America as a nation of people coming together as one (e pluribus unum) and just say everyone is on their own when it comes to healthcare.

Entitlement spending accounts for almost 60% of the federal budget. The national debt is now $39.24 Trillion.

We no longer have the money

The path to universal healthcare is nonexistent in this country.  It is massively profitable to hold the health of our citizens hostage.  The US is invested in keeping its citizens just healthy enough to stay alive, so the for-profit medical establishment can keep the premiums and prescriptions coming.  Imagine how different life would be if it wasn’t that way though.  You could turn on your tv and not have to endure endless pharmaceutical commercials encouraging you to ask your doctor if (insert ridiculous sounding drug name here) is right for you.

We no longer have the money

seems like there's plenty of money for an illegal war, and no bid contracts to trump's criminal chronies for his vanity projects ...

"The Obamacare marketplace is plagued by fraud in large part because the Biden administration dismantled basic program integrity guardrails, while partisan lawfare blocked common sense efforts to protect taxpayers," Kennedy grumbled in a video announcement with Oz on Saturday.

Unfounded claims by two of the worst Cabinet picks in US history.  The obviously brain damaged Kennedy and the Doctor who became famous shilling for unapproved medical products, paranormal and faith healing on Oprah for a decade.

the Obamacare website is a government website, built and approved by several decades of government lawyers ( I.E. the DOJ )

so the SSN complaints are mute.

We no longer have the money

Then maybe Trump did not need to try to play God with Iran and spend it all,

or better yet, maybe he can donate his "out of office", unofficial incomes to offset the increases he has directly caused and wasted with tariffs and wars.

It should just be a public service, like the mail, police, libraries, etc.

I wish that were the case.  How do you get there from here though?  Profiteering on the medical industry is one of the main pillars of our stock market.  Last time I tried the option of choosing where my 401k investments get allocated, I was dismayed to find that over 3/4 of my available options were steeped in some facet of the medical industry.  If that changed overnight the whole financial system would collapse.

So? One million small children are covered by their parents plans...

If you're making this outrageous claim against immigrants say so!

You are not. Isn't it a good thing Americans have health insurance?

Isn't it a good thing Americans have health insurance?

Here is how it works: You tell your children that when they go to work, whatever it is they do, they must put money aside for two things: One is to pay for health insurance and the other is to provide for retirement.

They need to stop wasting their money on things like rent, food, utilities, transportation, internet, and a phone.

The capitalist economic system is based on paying the workers as little as possible. Therefore there will always be people who work full time jobs and make relatively little money.  Does the insurance industry demand less from them, so they can afford coverage?  That would be socialist I guess , LOL. 

Social safety nets and social programs are the price of doing business and becoming wealthy. 

How much does it cost to pay an insurance premium?

The reason generation Z is turning to Socialism & Communism is because the old calculation about how much you will earn based upon your degree is over. Now American college graduates don't even know if anyone will hire them, let alone making more money than hard working Americans.

Without government intervention, hundreds of dollars a month. What in the world makes you think everyone can afford that? 

Many right wingers believe that if you cant afford health care from your own pocket you shouldnt get any. That is "freedom" to them.  The rest of the world does not agree with that approach. Please tell us why we are better. 

Your answer is non-responsive, so let me ask you this directly - does America need to be a welfare state ? 

We are $39 Trillion in debt, specifically because we went overboard on entitlements. A modest safety net was feasible, but we are a long way from that.

does America need to be a welfare state ? 

It can't afford to be.

Now American college graduates don't even know if anyone will hire them, let alone making more money than hard working Americans.

The assumption that being employed with a good salary makes you a hard working American is a fiction.  I know a lot of people that make big money at their job, but their job came as a result of overt nepotism, or the bulk of their income comes as a result of interest on some inheritance or investments that they were fortunate enough to benefit from.  In my job I can be very busy, or I can be idle while I await critical data from some source beyond my control.  I get paid well regardless of how hard I am working at any given moment, sometimes waiting two full days for the information to move a project forward.  My wife retired from a great job and took another full time position at a private university that pays 1/3 of what she was making.  She is considered invaluable and is seen as an overachiever, but I see the whole situation.  When she is doing her job she’s hitting it out of the park, for sure.  But when she chooses to work from home, it’s nothing for her to take a three hour break and just monitor her email.  Compare these scenarios to someone standing on an assembly line all day.  Not everyone has the option to excel with little effort.

We have a society of the haves and the have nots, exacerbated by some inexplicable adoration of the rich, which leads to the refusal to tax them to a degree that will benefit the whole society.  Obama wasnt wrong when he said "you didnt build this"  but because he left out the words "by yourself" he took a lot of heat for it. 

So, you are arguing that higher education leads to fulfillment and exceptionalism.

That at this point, is a flawed argument. Let me first speak for the muscular class. People who worked on assembly lines found their fulfillment in supporting their families. Their way of life has been forever altered by the gutting of American manufacturing which took place many decades ago. 

A college graduate today faces being buried in debt. That crisis began when Obama had the government back student loans that no banker in his right mind would allow. That caused universities to raise their tuitions through the roof. That is only the first problem facing today's college graduate. You see education in America has deteriorated dramatically in the past half century. Standards were reduced to promote DEI at the college level as well as the lower levels of schooling. As you must know, colleges are offering remedial reading courses these days. Major Corporations have become skeptical of hiring Ivy League school graduates. All too often the new hire ends up in the HR office whining that "I'm so depressed, the way my boss looked at me, I could tell he was racist." "Sniff, sniff."  On top of all of that we have almost everyone thinking that a college degree guarantees a charmed life and it just is no longer so.

So, what we are left with are college graduates who are mostly uneducated and somewhat indoctrinated and, in many cases, desperate for employment. We also have a working class that was totally left behind, some might say punished.

I think we were far better off when colleges actually educated and only the best & brightest attended.

Obama wasnt wrong when he said "you didnt build this"  but because he left out the words "by yourself" he took a lot of heat for it.

He was wrong.

I'll deal with Obama when I have more time. I have a cookout to get to.

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Their way of life has been forever altered by the gutting of American manufacturing which took place many decades ago. 

A natural process that began during Nixon but accelerated under Reagan and Bush who supported corporate profits for shareholders over jobs.

It began to change under Clintin and Bush but the corporate profit angle still works for most as evidenced by what Trump has been unable to do.

More promises broken by manufacturers than kept.  They saw the tariffs as temporary and they were right.

The rest of your screed is uniformed partisan Archie Bunker nonsense.

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what caused tuitions to increase so much - Search

The prime reason is number 1.  After years of stagnation starting in the 1980's, State funding virtualy stopped in 2008 due to the financial mess Bush left for Obama.

So, what we are left with are college graduates who are mostly uneducated and somewhat indoctrinated and, in many cases, desperate for employment

More chicken little partisan scratch.   The average rate for employment has remained fairly steady for graduates since the 1970s,  between 75 and 80%.  Regardless of who  was POTUS or what party had more power.

You simply don't know what you won't research.

how many college grads find jobs and how has that changed since 1970 - Search

He was wrong.

He was right.

I'll deal with Obama when I have more time.

Nobody cares.

I have a cookout to get to.

Try not to ruin it by talking.

Try not to ruin it by talking.

Now American college graduates don't even know if anyone will hire them, let alone making more money than hard working Americans.

So college educated people are not "Hard working Americans?" Please unscramble the syntax in that sentence.

More than 1 million people enrolled in Obamacare plans lack Social Security Numbers

So? Lots of people don’t have SSNs. Especially children.

Kennedy called that "a glaring warning sign for fraud"

He also thinks vaccines cause autism, so the “logic” connections this guy makes have no value.

"Why are we paying people we don't know if they actually exist?"

I see no evidence that we don’t know if they actually exist.

These assholes are always frothing at the mouth about fraud. Now I 100% support investigating and prosecuting actual fraud, but these guys never seem to actually do that. They just use fear-mongering about fraud to justify gutting programs that help real people with real problems.

So? Lots of people don’t have SSNs. Especially children.

Show us where it says these are children.


He also thinks vaccines cause autism, so the “logic” connections this guy makes have no value.

And he also correctly pointed out that food additives are causing obesity. Funny those you trust. Dr Fauci lied his ass off and contributed to the deaths of millions.


I see no evidence that we don’t know if they actually exist.

It seems as though new arrivals see more than you and are quickly able to game the system.


Now I 100% support investigating and prosecuting actual fraud, but these guys never seem to actually do that.

Last year there were 965 benefit fraud cases.

• Southern District of Florida (57)

• Eastern District of Texas (50)

• Middle District of Florida (42)

Red states, go figure.

duh, how do you think the GOP (guardians of pedophiles) party funds their candidates ...

Show us where it says these are children.

I didn’t say they were. Just that they could be. The article doesn’t say they aren’t children either. In fact, it doesn’t really address who they are - if the number is even accurate, which I doubt, just on the grounds that the source is wildly untrustworthy.

It seems as though…

is neither evidence nor an argument.

Last year there were 965 benefit fraud cases.

Maybe? Initiated when? By which administration? I wouldn’t trust this administration to give us the truth.

But let’s say it’s true. Millions of people receive benefits. 965 cases out of millions. That’s going to work out to like 1% of 1%. We don’t know the result of those cases, but regardless, that minuscule amount will be the excuse to destroy the whole program.

That's a lot of opinion with a lot of cut and paste to say that for 16 years or more the DOJ and Congress have approved the ACAH websites and all of it's requirements regarding federal and states and territories requirements per their own insurance regulations.

Amazing how a brain addled guy famous for his dead relatives and surviving toilet seat cocaine has noticed after all these years that the SSNs aren't a requirement in some cases.

Does he realize that recipients have to report their ACH participation and get a form like a 1099 or 1098 that needs to be filed with the IRS annually on your tax returns?

Kennedy and Ozz are shills. Period. Stupid, Party line, Shills.

These assholes also have the terrific logic that justifies defunding the state Fraud agencies that don't prosecute enough fraud to satisfy the "DOJ".

Facts be damned.

Over 5% of ACA enrollees not meeting eligibility requirements (SS numbers) really is a warning sign of fraud.  But the indictment of Obamacare is that consumer advocates and insurance companies are not sounding the alarm over possible fraud.  As long as the free money keeps flowing then the system is working fine, no worries.

a warning sign of fraud. 

The US is teeming with fraud.  Why do you think they have IRS audits?

The US is teeming with fraud.

True, start with trump and work your way down. 

Now I 100% support investigating and prosecuting actual fraud, but these guys never seem to actually do that.

Like voting, they made it all too easy.

Why should fraud be confined to the business community? 

I don't understand.

What does other types of fraud have to do with taxpayer money that the government is responsible for?

Most victims of fraud are taxpayers. 

You find it convenient to ignore the truth.  Trump told the white collar crime section of the DOJ to stand down. I wonder why. 

Most victims of fraud are taxpayers. 

Yes, it is.

Let's prosecute.

Like voting, they made it all too easy.

The potential for fraud has been institutionalized since Congress prohibited earmarks.  No-bid procurement is a red flag.  Independent agencies lack oversight needed to prevent fraud.  Back scratching in Congress is an open invitation for fraud.

Obamacare does not put money in the pockets of enrollees.  Illegal immigrants won't see a dime of Federal money from Obamacare.  The real fraudsters hide in the multitude of middlemen performing administrative services.  

That's true of voter fraud, too.  A fraudulent voter can only cast one or two fraudulent votes.  Election fraud would require so many fraudulent voters that they couldn't be concealed.  If there is real election fraud then it hides among the rule makers, the politicians, the political appointees, and the multitude of middlemen office holders performing administrative services.  

The potential for fraud has been institutionalized since Congress prohibited earmarks.  No-bid procurement is a red flag.  Independent agencies lack oversight needed to prevent fraud.  Back scratching in Congress is an open invitation for fraud.

Don't states get more federal help when they sign up more seeking assistance?


Obamacare does not put money in the pockets of enrollees.  Illegal immigrants won't see a dime of Federal money from Obamacare.  The real fraudsters hide in the multitude of middlemen performing administrative services.  

NGOs?


That's true of voter fraud, too.  A fraudulent voter can only cast one or two fraudulent votes.  Election fraud would require so many fraudulent voters that they couldn't be concealed.  If there is real election fraud then it hides among the rule makers, the politicians, the political appointees, and the multitude of middlemen office holders performing administrative services.  

No, I think California has it down to a science.

Let's prosecute.

You must be joking.

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I think California has it down to a science.

More reactionary propaganda.

Don't states get more federal help when they sign up more seeking assistance?

You mean for expanded Medicaid? 

Each and every state have Senators and Representatives serving in Congress, don't they?  Aren't all those Senators and Representatives scratching each other's backs?

Why should Congress shut down their own grift with oversight?  That's why Congress spends so much time on pointless 'culture war' investigations.  That's why Benghazi was a big investigative cow.  That's why Jan. 6th was a prime time derversion.

NGOs?

You mean middleman organizations who act to gate keepers to capture tolls?  NGOs aren't any different than for-profit insurance.

No, I think California has it down to a science.

How does California hide millions of fraudulent voters?  It's much easier for a middleman official to fudge the numbers by purging registrations, disqualifying ballots, moving polling stations, and changing the rules.

Trump told the white collar crime section of the DOJ to stand down. I wonder why. 

Did you not understand this statement?

The DOJ defunded New York State AG's Fruad Department last month for not finding enough fraud

Isn't that counter productive?

No, I think California has it down to a science.

Do not drink the KoolAid.

Like voting, they made it all too easy.

Going with what Trump claims is a bad idea.   

Much better to go with facts.

There is no significant voter fraud in our elections.   Taking action to solve a problem that is not even close to affecting the outcome of elections is pointless except when the action is designed to dissuade voters who would vote for your opposition.

Per ChatGPT:

Measure	Hard statistic
2020 disputed battleground states reviewed by AP	<475 potential cases
Ballots in those six 2020 states	25.5 million
Approximate rate in AP review	0.00186%
Biden margin in those states	311,257 votes
Potential cases as share of margin	0.15%
2024 counted ballots nationwide	158+ million
Arizona Heritage/Brookings example	36 cases / 42.6M ballots over 25 years
Pennsylvania Heritage/Brookings example	39 cases / 100M+ votes over 30 years
Fraudulent mail-vote estimate cited by Brookings	~0.00006% of total votes over 20 years

Over the past decade, proven voter fraud in the United States appears to be extremely rare, generally at rates far below one-hundredth of one percent of ballots cast, and there is no credible evidence that it has occurred at anywhere near the scale needed to change a modern presidential election outcome.

You are buying (being fooled by) the manipulative lies of a con man.   If this total bullshit was being perpetrated by a D, you would be all over it.