It is called common sense.

It is called common sense.

It's called BDS.

Another problem caused by overpopulation

Yes, the schools, the emergency rooms and just about any place where benefits are provided.

the schools, the emergency rooms and just about any place where benefits are provided.

Understanding the consequences of supply and demand is the type of second order thinking that doesn't compute with many progressives. It's simply "I want this because i think it is good" and that's all the thought they put into it. 

We in MA went through the rent control experiment many decades ago in Cambridge and Brookline. The results were far less construction of rental units in those areas. Another strange quirk, especially in Cambridge was that those units were not helping low-income residents, with less than 10% of controlled units occupied by low-income households. Professional people were renting units in the homes of middle-income families who had few rights as to what to do with their own homes.

It's simply "I want this because i think it is good" and that's all the thought they put into it. 

Going forward can we just blame Trump for the same magical thinking ?

Ionic versus Corinthians?  really?  Lets cut SSN next to replace the WH columns?

Usually, I’d say of course you can equate trump to a progressive.  But I’ve actually seen trump display a rudimentary grasp of how supply and demand works so in this case it would be insulting to trump. 

Trump cannot be insulted. His ego is bigger than Mount Rushmore. He's the GOAT in his own mind.

He's a serial adulterer, bankruptee, liar, golf cheat, contract breaker, a bully with no allegiances who expects adulation and approval of his gold fetish and supposed business acumen.

Losing an election seems to be the only thing that pisses him off.

Democrats causing the problems then pathetically claiming they can fix them.  

And whatever their plan is it will involve more taxpayer money. $39 Trillion and counting.

It's some kind of idiocy complex.  They create the problem, fight any and and all attempts to fix the problem, then claim that the methods the opposition wanted to use to fix the problem are theirs and that they work.

The prime example is California.

It's always humorous when you talk about California since you've never been there and obviously know nothing about it.

Have you been paying attention to Trump at all?

trump added ( conservatively ) 7.8 Trillion his first term.

trump added ( conservatively ) 3.6 Trillion this term in 17 months

11.4 Trillion out of our $39 trillion  and just some gold plated accutraments in the Oval office so far.

That's 30% of the National debt and he isn't finished. He wants trillions more for more war and Space Shit he can hang his name on.

Are you happy with who you voted for?

He was going to reduce that debt or eliminate it by the end of the first term, wasn't he?

That is the typical M.O..

More deflection.  Really wish I could say I am surprised but...

California can't blame anybody but themselves for the clusterfuck they have.  It's a prime example of the consequences of decades long Democrat policies.

It's always humorous when you talk about California since you've never been there and obviously know nothing about it.

Used to have a repub that lived inCA. and posted all the time...haven't seen him a long time though. 

OK I have to ask, how does the state with the largest GDP ($4.25 trillion), and is considered to be a net donor or giver state by $275.6 billion annually, be described as a "clusterfuck"?

WHEN I RESPOND TO THE AUTHOR ABOUT SOMETHING HE COMMENTED ON

AND BROUGHT INTO THE DISCUSSION, IT IS NOT A DEFLECTION, IT IS ON TOPIC.

Really wish I could say I am surprised but...

DITTO!

It's a prime example of the consequences of decades long Democrat policies.

4TH LARGEST ECOMONY IN THE WORLD!  1ST AMONG THE STATES?

Can you name the policies you disagree with?

how does the state with the largest GDP ($4.25 trillion), and is considered to be a net donor or giver state by $275.6 billion annually, be described as a "clusterfuck"?

We're full of Godless liberals, transgenders and gays, illegals voting, mayhem and madness, everything that's scary to people with their heads still stuck in the 1950's. /s

All their vibrant new cultures, new ideas, diversity, education, these are all very scary things for those who have been told Satan is just prowling around waiting to turn them gay, or worse, liberal!

They also need to hate on California in an effort to convince themselves that staying in the dying low population towns and States is the best choice. To stay in those places that have never looked kindly on outsiders or foreigners and have tried to keep things the same as the day they took down the 'whites only' signs from their public restrooms, they have to vilify places that have moved on. To feel good about staying in such dead-end places, they have to convince themselves that California and other liberal bastions are utter hellscape clusterfucks of Godlessness and vice, places where they think their God will visit first on their prayed for Armageddon tour where he murders all those who the rightwing conservative Christians hate.

I also think they resent it because it is the 4th largest economy and that their State likely has to rely on those 'Godless liberals' for a handout since their States have fallen way behind in innovation and technology that is driving thriving economies like California.

That state "with largest GDP ($4.25 trillion)" is trillions in debt. 

IT IS ON TOPIC.

Only when it's convenient to YOU.

1ST AMONG THE STATES?

Also 1st in being in debt.  But lets ignore that right

The gop is currently running a two trillion dollar federal deficit. The gop controls spending meaning they do not have the nuts to actually do anything but cut taxes while spending wildly...

That state "with largest GDP ($4.25 trillion)" is trillions in debt. 

Also 1st in being in debt.  But lets ignore that right

Are you talking about the United States? They're way deeper in debt than California, but that's what a country or a State can do when they have huge GDP's and a lot of assets, they can defer payments on things so they can use immediate capital for investment opportunities and growth. Just because you have a debt that you're making payments on doesn't mean you're broke, it often means you're being smart with your finances if you're making far more than the loan payments. California remains " a net donor or giver state by $275.6 billion annually" as Perrie pointed out.

Someday, perhaps those living in the taker States will have a better understanding of finances. Perhaps then they will understand that California doesn't need them, they need California. California and the rest of the donor States would be fairing a lot better if we jettisoned the dead weight but because we are all part of these United States, we help the downtrodden and States that can't pay their own basic needs.

Overall Rank*	State	Total Score	State Residents’ Dependency Rank	State Government’s Dependency Rank
1	Alaska	79.91	4	5
2	Kentucky	77.35	5	7
3	West Virginia	75.24	2	11
4	Mississippi	68.79	8	8
5	Louisiana	66.12	22	1
6	South Carolina	65.64	6	21
7	Arizona	64.02	21	2
8	Indiana	61.27	9	15
9	New Mexico	59.82	1	36
10	Montana	57.71	16	6

Most & Least Federally Dependent States in 2026

Awful lot of red in the top 10 most dependent States.

I guess rightwing conservatives are just going to have to go back to their lies about illegals voting, the financial attacks are too easy to disprove. The specter of "illegals voting" is always much easier to sell to really stupid people, though apparently the lie about CA somehow being a financial drain on Republican States is sadly still believed by many a moron.

The only mistake I made was regarding the amount California was in debt.  it's Billions, not Trillions.

I notice you don't reference anything about that:

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I notice you don't reference anything about that:

What do you think I was talking about when I said, " Just because you have a debt that you're making payments on doesn't mean you're broke, it often means you're being smart with your finances if you're making far more than the loan payments."

Just because I didn't quote the exact amount of debt doesn't mean I'm ignoring it.

The only mistake I made was regarding the amount California was in debt.

Right, because misrepresenting a debt by several factors was just a "little" mistake. Funny how Trump lies, his defenders in the house and senate lie, his sycophants lie, and when they get caught lying, they just shrug their shoulders like "Eh, so I exaggerated a bit, what's the big deal?". The exaggeration IS THE LIE! If it wasn't exaggerated NO ONE WOULD LISTEN TO YOU! Which of course, rightwing conservatives know which is why they continue to lie through their greasy smirking lips.

And if you're going to whine about CA having not paid for some Covid safety measures, perhaps you should whine about the Presidents campaign not paying what they owe cities first.

Trump campaign leaving some cities with hundreds of thousands in unpaid bills after rallies - ABC News

Really?  What's the National debt right now? It was 19.9 T when Trump first stained the oval office, he added over $8T the first go around and is over $4T in 18 months already.

But zero criticism from you correct?

it's Billions,

Trump change, he spends that in hours, bombing IRAN, switching sides on NATO and Ukraine adding his name to shit, building an Arch.

Oh and the mysterious $934 million to repaint and test the new AF1gift from Qutar?

He left it in Turkey because it has no in air refueling capability not any military defensive capability, nor is it communications shielded or EPROM shielded;

Flew a  real VC home so he wouldn't have to worry about Iranian missiles.

($4.25 trillion)" is trillions in debt. 

Slow down when doing research please.

There is hugely bigly difference between 4.25 billion and 4.25 Trillion.

Please stop being a baby.

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Still solely a California debt.  We can add another BILLION to the ever growing total.

Big Tab: USDA says California owes $1.4 billion because of food stamp errors

The error rate accounts for $3.8 million lost every single day.

Their economy is approximately 12% of the USA'a.

Their GDP Is almost 3.8 trillion, they are carrying 5..4 Billion in debt which is a much better number than 39 TRILLION. (12% of 39 -=4.6 trillion)

Their projected net income for 2026-2027 is 291Billion  with a budget of 231 Billion.

They seem to have a cycle of budget debits and surpluses of billions.

 On the other hand its simply amazing that after Trump and Rollins cut 1/3 of the USDA staff, they find the time to produce charged partisan reports which only neem capable of finding fault with blue states.  Must be that "great again"  Juju.

And they can afford it if proven wrong but they are according to your article from "Just the News" voluntarily paying down the overage.

Key word there I believe is voluntarily paying down the balance because it isn't fraud, it's just the USDA work model. 

We can add another BILLION to the ever growing total.

Well, you can be happy that you're not having to pay for any of that out of your taxes because, unlike NC, CA is a donor State instead of a recipient State like North Carolina.

Which states contribute the most and least to federal revenue? | USAFacts

So, since you have no dog in this fight, why exactly are you spending your time complaining about California that is paying $276 billion INTO the pot that your State is taking $18 billion OUT of every year?

happy that you're not having to pay for any of that out of your taxes because, unlike NC, CA is a donor State instead of a recipient State like North Carolina.

Imagine thinking that's a relevant measure of anything. Per chatgpt:

• Federal taxes are paid by individuals and businesses, not states.
  • California, Texas, and New York do not write checks to the Treasury.
  • Residents and corporations do.
  • If a corporation headquartered in California earns profits from customers nationwide, much of its federal tax liability is attributed to California even though the underlying economic activity occurred across the country.
• Headquarters distort the numbers.
  • States with many Fortune 500 headquarters (California, New York, Illinois, etc.) often receive credit for large corporate income tax payments.
  • Those corporations employ workers, own facilities, and sell products in dozens of other states.
  • The tax accounting reflects the location of the headquarters rather than where value was created.

Per chatgpt:

By this measure, Delaware "donates" about 25 times more   per capita to the federal government than California does. 

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Thanks for contributing a great example of willful ignorance.

I guess reality is just a little too much for some people. You go on believing whatever you want. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. And laughing at and rejecting stupid deflections isn't 'willful ignorance', it's the willful ignoring of moronic garbage thrown out to deflect and distract from the fact that California IS a donor State and NC is a recipient State which is something conservative dumb shits will do anything to deny. But I guess for some, being stupid, poor, poorly educated and having to rely on handouts from Godless liberals must make for some serious sour grapes. That might even lead to some of those conservatives whining incessantly on social media and denying reality on a regular basis. I sure hope we don't see that anytime soon...

Common sense, Mass immigration destroys young people   starting out and the working class.

but it’s a gold mine for the politically connected.

I think I may have said it before, If I was an illegal migrant arriving in Los Angeles, I'd think I had walked into heaven on earth.

Walked into what generations of Citizens built up, help themselves, trash the place and act like it was all done for them 

If I was an illegal migrant arriving in Los Angeles, I'd think I had walked into heaven on earth.

Then clearly you have absolutely no idea what it's like to be an undocumented migrant in Los Angeles, but that's not surprising. There are very few rightwing conservatives who would know anything about the lives of migrants since they're just way too busy whining about not being treated like royalty that they believe straight white conservative Christian in America think they deserve. Also, if you think the conditions undocumented migrants live in are like your religions "heaven on earth", then you should look for a new religion.

Yes, an influx of new residents does put pressure on available housing.  But government subsidized housing will raise prices and rent regardless of supply.  So, an influx of asylees and refugees creates a double whammy on both availability and price.  It's a neoliberal wet dream.  

Per ChatGPT, when asked to verify the article in terms of truthfulness. veracity and candor:

Bottom line: The article is partly true on the narrow economic claim, but overreaches badly in the political blame claim.

The Dallas Fed working paper does support the idea that the 2021–2024 surge in unauthorized immigration added housing demand and raised rents/home prices in local markets where housing supply did not respond quickly. But the article turns that narrower finding into a broader political argument: “Democrats’ immigration policies are to blame for housing costs.” That is more than the paper proves.

Truthfulness

Accurate: The underlying Dallas Fed working paper is real. It says the U.S. saw an unprecedented unauthorized-immigration boom from early 2021 to early 2024, and it cites CBO estimates that net unauthorized immigration added roughly 7 million people from 2021 to 2024.

Accurate, but narrow: The paper estimates that an unauthorized immigrant worker inflow equal to 1% of a local area’s initial employment raised local house prices by about 2.2% and market rents by about 1.4%. It also estimates that, for the average Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), these flows can explain about 30% of house-price growth and 20% of rent growth during the boom period.

Important qualification: That does not mean immigration caused home prices to be 30% higher. The paper’s own figures imply an effect of about 6.6% on house prices and 4.3% on rents for the weighted-average MSA, out of total increases of about 22%. The Washington Post’s explanation makes the same distinction: the finding is roughly 30% of price growth, not a 30% increase in home prices.

Also accurate: HUD did expand or clarify FHA eligibility for some non-permanent residents in 2021, including DACA recipients and certain H-1B nonimmigrants, provided they met documentation, work-authorization, principal-residence, SSN, and underwriting requirements.

Misleading or overbroad: The article links that mortgage-policy point to “illegal immigration” in a way that blurs categories. DACA recipients, H-1B holders, asylees, refugees, and lawful permanent residents are not the same legal category as recent unauthorized border entrants. Fannie Mae’s current guide says it buys/securitizes loans for non-citizens who are lawful permanent or lawful non-permanent residents, not undocumented borrowers generally.

Veracity

The article’s strongest evidentiary point is the Dallas Fed paper. That source is credible, but it is also a working paper, meaning preliminary, circulated for professional comment, and not an official Federal Reserve position. The paper itself says exactly that.

The article is weakest when it moves from “unauthorized immigration was one contributor to housing-cost growth” to “Democrats are to blame for outrageous housing costs.” The paper does not assign partisan blame. It lists several plausible contributors to the immigration boom, including economic and political deterioration in origin countries, expanded parole and NTA processing, the end of Title 42, and the U.S. labor-market recovery.

The broader housing-cost story is also larger than immigration. Harvard’s 2026 State of the Nation’s Housing report points to high land, materials, and construction costs, expensive new units, cost burdens, and supply problems. Freddie Mac estimated the U.S. housing shortage at about 3.7 million units as of Q3 2024.

Candor

Low to mixed. The article is candid enough to acknowledge that the Fed paper is preliminary and that the finding concerns housing demand in supply-constrained markets. But its framing is not candid in the broader sense.

The headline says Democratic immigration policies are “to blame” for housing costs. The evidence supports something narrower: unauthorized immigration was a meaningful contributor to housing-cost growth during 2021–2024 in affected local markets. It does not prove Democrats are the sole or primary cause of high housing costs.

The article also cherry-picks the part of the Fed paper useful to its argument. The same paper says unauthorized immigrant worker flows increased local employment roughly one-for-one and did not produce significant local wage declines during the boom period. That complicates the “pure burden” framing.

Final assessment

Truthfulness: Partly true. The core Fed-paper housing-demand claim is real.

Veracity: Moderate. It relies on a credible working paper, but stretches that paper beyond what it proves.

Candor: Weak. The article uses a valid economic finding as a political cudgel and collapses several distinct categories: unauthorized immigrants, lawful non-permanent residents, DACA recipients, H-1B workers, green-card holders, federal mortgage access, sanctuary policy, rent freezes, and socialism.

So first let me put this out there. I hate our mayor. He is an ass and I don't agree with about 80% of his policies. I also don't agree with mass illegal immigration, or being stuck for the bill of it. That all being said, the housing problem is not from mass immigration. These people are living in low-income housing. 

The actual housing market is caught between a shortage of middle-income housing, high interest rates, and ever-increasing inflation.

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All of this didn't happen under one administration but many, including Biden and Trump. It is simplistic to think that economic trends are so affected in the short term. 

These people are living in low-income housing.

Taking up low incoming house drives the price of all housing up. 

Taking up low incoming house drives the price of all housing up.