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Jack Smith spied on me in Congress — this illegal weaponization needs to end

  

Category:  Op/Ed

Via:  vic-eldred  •  4 months ago  •  109 comments

By:   Opinion by Elise Stefanik

Jack Smith spied on me in Congress — this illegal weaponization needs to end
There must be criminal consequences for this egregious, unconstitutional and illegal abuse of power. That means prosecution for those responsible — and quickly enacting strong reforms to prevent any presidential administration, now or in the future, from wielding government tools against Americans or their elected representatives.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


One year ago, when whistleblowers first revealed that special counsel Jack Smith and the FBI had targeted Republican senators in a highly secretive and unconstitutional spying operation, I immediately picked up the phone and called my close friend and colleague Jim Jordan.

“Jim, there is no way that we weren’t spied on,” I said. “There’s a larger list and my hunch is that we’re both on it.”


And for years, Rep. Jordan and I had been two of the most outspoken leaders in the House of Representatives against illegal weaponization — going back to our time on the Intelligence Committee, when we served on the defense team during the first illegal impeachment attempt of the president’s first term.

Now, thanks to the great, dogged oversight work of Chairman Chuck Grassley, Sen. Ron Johnson and others, we know that my instinct was right: The sweeping weaponization is wide and deep — and is an attack on the Constitution and the American people.

Unlawful access

Americans have long suspected that Joe Biden’s hand-picked special prosecutor weaponized government at the highest levels, in part by unconstitutionally spying on members of Congress — including me — and by perjuring himself when Congress questioned him about it.

On Tuesday, newly declassified records  confirmed exactly that .

Smith’s team unlawfully and unconstitutionally accessed my private text messages, along with 43 other members of Congress, in clear violation of the Constitution.

They not only spied on the existence of text messages concerning our legislative and constitutional duties to represent our constituents and vote on their behalf; they illegally accessed the content of those messages, too.

Then, when asked by House members directly and under oath whether he had surveilled those messages’ contents, Jack Smith perjured himself and claimed that he had not.

It was a lie — and knowingly making false statements to Congress is a federal crime, punishable by up to five years in prison.

As President Trump has always said, the illegal  weaponization of judicial power  that has plagued him for the last decade was never just about him — it was directed against all his supporters, and anyone who spoke out against these abuses.


This is not an isolated incident.

It’s just the latest, most egregious example of a widespread and dangerous effort to turn the federal government’s powers against Americans themselves.

It’s the worst such attempt in our nation’s history, and I have spent years fighting to expose it.

Criminal consequences

As a leading member of the House Intelligence Committee and the Select Committee on Weaponization, I have worked to investigate and expose a string of these interconnected abuses: the Biden administration’s collusion with Big Tech to censor Americans, the FBI’s illegal targeting of traditional Catholics and of parents at school boards, the Russia collusion hoax, lawfare against President Trump and his allies, and more — all part of a broader pattern of illegal deep-state actions against political opponents.


The bombshell records  revealed by the Senate Judiciary Committee this week  confirm that unaccountable special counsels and federal agencies did in fact use their power to secretly and unconstitutionally surveil elected representatives without proper legal process.

Accessing the private communications of lawmakers is an assault on the separation of powers, on congressional independence, and on the constitutional rights of every American.

There must be criminal consequences for this egregious, unconstitutional and illegal abuse of power.

That means prosecution for those responsible — and quickly enacting strong reforms to prevent any presidential administration, now or in the future, from wielding government tools against Americans or their elected representatives.


Abuse of power

The American people sent us to Washington to defend the Constitution, not to let it be shredded by politically motivated investigators.

I will continue leading the fight against this appalling abuse of power until we achieve real accountability and lasting change.

That’s what President Trump means when he says we must drain the swamp — because, even now, it continues to be shocking just how deep its weaponized muck goes.

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Elise Stefanik represents New York’s 21st District in Congress.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

It is now obvious that Jack Smith broke the law and lied about it to congress.

MS Stefanik is right about everything she says.

The question is can a DC jury or certain juries in other districts be counted on to deliver justice?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago
It is now obvious that Jack Smith broke the law and lied about it to congress.

I'll believe it when it is proven. Trump and a slew of other Republicans schemed to overthrow the 2020 election and Smiths job was to get to the bottom of the plot. He did, but Garlands' dillydally let Trump sneak back upn and in, from the skid row alley where even his own AG called Trumps claims of election fraud and stolen election "Bull Shit", and I believe they will accuse and accuse, yet, still lose, while it is pathetic that he was elected again after his actions on so many fronts, and now even more wicked, as he STEALS BILLIONS from US minions, again, pathetic !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.1    4 months ago
I'll believe it when it is proven.

That is easier said than done. Will a jury in DC prosecute anyone who tried to screw Trump?


Trump and a slew of other Republicans schemed to overthrow the 2020 election

So, the 2020 election was rigged?  Can you prove it?


as he STEALS BILLIONS from US 

How about proving that claim?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.1    4 months ago

maga whistle blowers good, democrat whistle blowers bad ...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 months ago

How about proving that claim?

Trump’s latest required 927-page financial disclosure revealed a dramatic surge in personal income, pulling in roughly triple what he made before returning to office. A Forbes analysis pinning the true number closer to $2.4 billion in operating revenue and asset sales . [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 ]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago
It is now obvious that Jack Smith broke the law and lied about it to congress.

And according to the left and Democrats he broke the law because of Trump.  

The more and more this gets looked into the more and more its it doesn't look good for the left or the Democrats.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2    4 months ago

They don't care how it looks. Thus far they keep getting away with it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 months ago

Then when they are held accountable, they will start crying about "weaponizing the DOJ".  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.2    4 months ago
Then when they are held accountable, they will start crying about "weaponizing the DOJ".  

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Anyone who thinks it was the Democrats weaponizing the DOJ is an absolute moron with zero credibility.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.3    4 months ago

Where did I mention any of that?  Oh, wait....I didn't. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 months ago
Thus far they keep getting away with it.

And Trump will continue to get away with it if his monumentally stupid sycophants don't get educated and stop believing his lies.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.4    4 months ago
Where did I mention any of that?  Oh, wait....I didn't. 

Was this not what you said?

Then when they are held accountable, they will start crying about "weaponizing the DOJ".

Who are the "they"? What are you claiming 'they' should be held accountable for and what are 'they' going to cry about? And why would whatever 'they' did be something worthy of your mention?

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Nerm_L
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1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago
It is now obvious that Jack Smith broke the law and lied about it to congress.MS Stefanik is right about everything she says.The question is can a DC jury or certain juries in other districts be counted on to deliver justice?

Why is this even an issue?  I suppose the article is intended to draw out complaints about President Trump's misuse of the DOJ and FBI for retribution, political pay back, and targeting of political opponents.

It's certainly going to foster comparisons and stir up controversies that Republicans won't want to deal with.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.1  devangelical  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3    4 months ago
It's certainly going to foster comparisons and stir up controversies that Republicans won't want to deal with.

imagine jack smith's legitimate request to introduce both of his investigations into the discovery process ...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.3.2  Nerm_L  replied to  devangelical @1.3.1    4 months ago
imagine jack smith's legitimate request to introduce both of his investigations into the discovery process ...

Imagine Tod Blanche being indicted during confirmation hearings.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.3  devangelical  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.2    4 months ago

imagine todd being disbarred. and it's a race against the clock for most of the maga relics in the senate anyway ...

shaky granny up in maine will be brutalized over her confirmation votes, past and present, and then be blamed for the new maga moves against pro-choice. gee, I sure hope she survives the ugly campaign trail in the next 4 months ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.5  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago

From the way-back machine a whole little bit ago..

This is how Trump rolls. Lie continuously about your perceived opponents, blame what he himself is doing on those opponents, and falsely litigate with the DOJ. Then scream through his various mouthpieces, "Lawfare! Lawfare!" 

Everyone knows he is doing just this, except the delusional people still enthralled by his projection on the bathroom wall of his "power", which is really just poorly aimed urine and feces.

 
 
 
JBB
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2  JBB    4 months ago

Thank goodness Elise Stefanik is gone after November. She dropped out of the NY Governor race and is not running for reelection. Good riddance and do not come back! Dumb MAGA is unelectable in New York...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2    4 months ago
Dumb MAGA is unelectable in New York...

Justice is also unavailable in New York.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 months ago

Then why did Trump have to pay E Jean Carroll millions, huh?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    4 months ago
Why is this even an issue?

Thank s for the example proving Vic correct.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.3  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 months ago
Justice is also unavailable in New York.

Another hate America comment.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.4  bugsy  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    4 months ago

‘Then why did Trump have to pay E Jean Carroll millions, huh?’

Because the trial was in a Hate Trump district where the jury did not give a rat’s ass if he was guilty or not. The left’s mantra has been ‘Get Trump at all cost’ for years. 
BTW….what proof was there that Trump did what the loon Carrol said he did? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.1.4    4 months ago

This is just absurd.   Claiming that Trump has done no wrong and that every lawsuit against him was 'rigged'.   Just amazing that people can think this nonsense much less post it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.5    4 months ago
Claiming that Trump has done no wrong and that every lawsuit against him was 'rigged'.   Just amazing that people can think this nonsense much less post it.

There are only two other places where I've seen people like this, Russia and North Korea. Putin and Kim Jong Un loyalists think their leader can do no wrong, they would die for their leader (and many do). For some reason their brains have been switched off and they can't think outside of their fictional universe where their dear Leaders actions make perfect sense, but only to those on the inside of their dear Leaders ass. The rest of us see them for what they are, psychopathic narcissists who are so puny and weak that they love fantasizing about being gods.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @2    4 months ago
Thank goodness Elise Stefanik is gone

she knows she's too damn ugly for trump to fuck, but she also knows that he's looking for an experienced and sympathetic diaper changer and is hoping to get back into his good graces ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Good morning.

I just got my large Ice Coffee, and I found many of our readers at the new fast-food joint.

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Yes, Iv'e arrived and we have a lot of news to discuss.


 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 months ago

512

@!@

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Hallux @3.1    4 months ago

good one

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Hallux @3.1    4 months ago

I prefer the second picture because ai an fond of brown women. Chances are, however, that every one of those women are conservative because most liberal women……

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.3  Hallux  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    4 months ago

You should rise above Vic's tendency to cage women in various groups, it reeks of misogynist collectivism.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Hallux @3.1.3    4 months ago
cage women in various groups,

What group did I cage women into and where did I do it?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    4 months ago
Chances are, however, that every one of those women are conservative

?

Roughly 72% of Black women identify as Democrats

Why do Black women consistently vote Democrat? | US politics | The Guardian

60% of Hispanic women identify as Democrats

Party affiliation of US voters by race, ethnicity, education | Pew Research Center

I'd take that bet any day, as your chances of being right are about as good as my chances of becoming the President of the United States tomorrow.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 months ago

oh look, it's a reunion of trump's child molestation victims ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @3.2    4 months ago

... from one state.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.2  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @3.2    4 months ago

How many of them did he take a shower with when they were teens? 
I know of a past president that did, with proof in the girl’s diary

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.2.3  Hallux  replied to  bugsy @3.2.2    4 months ago
I know of a past president that did, with proof in the girl’s diary

Back to this nonsense are we? I know of a time when many a male republican blamed those diary entries on feminist therapists chomping at the bit to blame the first available male family member.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.2.4  evilone  replied to  bugsy @3.2.2    4 months ago
How many of them did he take a shower with when they were teens? 

Golden showers? He only does that with Eastern European hookers.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.5  bugsy  replied to  evilone @3.2.4    4 months ago
He only does that with Eastern European hookers.

Of course you have proof of this old lie?  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Hallux @3.2.3    4 months ago
Back to this nonsense are we?

It's all they've got these days. They have a lot of "Oldies" but no "Goodies" as every one of their tired bullshit attacks has more holes in it than sieve and is about as relevant as them having the 'sex talk' with their pregnant 14-year-old. But they've got so little left, it's either that or going to another family reunion to get laid.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

House Republicans released a budget plan that would add $73 billion to military funding and authorize Voter ID policies the President would like to see enacted.

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The House rejected a measure to eliminate U.S. aid to Israel, which was supported by about half of the House democrats.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 months ago

oh yeah, check out the 2 closeted bible thumpers and trump [✘] leading the dysfunctional maga house ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

The fate of Todd Blanche’s nomination as attorney general remains uncertain after a key Republican Senator declares himself "undecided."

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Haven't we had enough petty behavior?  Do what is right for the country John!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago
Do what is right for the country John!

Which would be NOT confirming Trumps toady as AG. Blanche is an obsequious colon polyp that doesn't have an unbiased bone in his body.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1    4 months ago

gee, what a conundrum. look over his shoulder until maga self destructs, or look over his shoulder for the rest of his miserable racist life.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago

Since when do you support having an AG who operates as the personal attorney and sycophant for the PotUS?

Trump violates the constitution and you cheer him on.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.3  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 months ago

Yes John, jettison the self admitted personal lawyer to POTUS as a conflict of interest. Especially after his apology to the Epstein victims

for getting exposed, over and over again.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced a plan to test military service members for Testosterone levels.

Maximum strength is after all, a military need.

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Dismayed Patriot
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6.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    4 months ago

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It's clear all the rightwing conservatives are clamoring for their President's testosterone juice. They can't seem to get enough.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1    4 months ago

Sounds like somebody is jealous.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.1    4 months ago

Sounds like somebody is jealous.

Gender affirming care... Thought the rightists were against this sort of thing?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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6.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.1    4 months ago
Sounds like somebody is jealous.

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Of poorly educated religious conservatives bowing before an accused pedophile? Truly hilarious.

I wonder how the illegal activity claims made by Patel against the Obama administration are going, been almost two years and still not a single indictment let alone a conviction based on any evidence. Same thing is happening here, Jack Smith did nothing illegal but the groveling Trump sycophants scream and gnash their teeth in impotent furry coming up with all sorts of accusations they can't back up. Even you know none of this shit will ever be proven which you say above is "easier said than done". Yeah, rightwing fuck wads SAY a whole lot and but fail to prove their stupid conspiracy theories, yet they continue to believe them with absolute conviction. That's not being just a moron, that's being an intentional dumb fuck.

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1.4  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.2    4 months ago

‘Gender affirming care’

Looks like marching orders from left wing handlers went out. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1    4 months ago

Send some to Joe so he can stay awake while writing his book.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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6.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.5    4 months ago
Send some to Joe so he can stay awake while writing his book.

I don't think there's any left, the MAGAites are drinking it all...

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Perhaps that's why Trump has looked a little drained lately.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    4 months ago

Your photo demonstrates that homoeroticism is alive and well on NT.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.2    4 months ago

it's the maga version of don't ask, don't tell ... ... or else!

pete will probably have his FOX bimbo help him with some of those low T tests while he watches[✘]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

The Treasury secretary said the U.S. Mint would begin minting $1 Gold Trump coins.

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Hallux
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7.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    4 months ago

At least get the effing images correct, one would think you were related to Stefanik.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    4 months ago

Liberals are going to have one hell of a hissy fit over that one.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.2    4 months ago
Liberals are going to have one hell of a hissy fit over that one.  

Hissy fit du jour

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.3  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    4 months ago

You approve, of course.   Whatever Trump wants is okay with you?   Do you approve of his attempt to get almost $1.8 billion of taxpayer revenue into a fund he can control as a settlement for an illegal lawsuit where he effectively was both plaintiff and defendant?   Do you approve of all the corruption and enrichment taking place in this administration?   Do you approve of his focus on himself as he abandons his campaign promises (especially the one about lowering prices)?

All this good with you, Vic?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Australia will require large A.I. data centers to generate as much power as they use.

What a great idea!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    4 months ago
Australia will require large A.I. data centers to generate as much power as they use.

New, large-scale data centers will be required to fund or provide enough new electricity generation to offset at least the power they draw from the grid.

That, in principle, is indeed a good idea if the energy they generate is predominantly renewable or nuclear.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9  JohnRussell    4 months ago

A Jack Smith trial would be a total disaster for Trump and MAGA. He would get to make the case in a court against the insurrection and Trumps crimes that he never got to. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @9    4 months ago

He would have to be better than Clarence Darrow. How does one on trial for perjury and illegal surveillance turn it around to be a trial of someone else?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    4 months ago

Very simple, his lawyer could put him on the stand and have him explain why his actions were necessary, and legal in the course of his investigation of Trump. Of course he will then need to go on at great length about what the investigation into Trump entailed and discovered. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    4 months ago

Gee John, I think you've taken lawfare to a whole new level. I was only worried about an activist jury nullifying the facts of the case. You not only have them ignoring the merits, but convicting Trump.

That's hysterical 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    4 months ago

If you dont think the case evidence against Trump will be brought up by the defense in a trial of Jack Smith you are delusional. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.3    4 months ago

If you dont think the case evidence against Trump will be brought up by the defense in a trial of Jack Smith you are delusional. 

This is a distraction article. Trump is gathering up his people's phones to find out who leaked info about the Qutari jet gifted to the USA. Not a good look, so this article, (supposedly about something similar), pops up as a distraction. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    4 months ago
You not only have them ignoring the merits, but convicting Trump.

Come on Vic,  you know they all convicted Trump before he's had the chance to do anything.  Some of them want him brought up on charges but can't identify the crime committed.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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9.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.5    4 months ago
... but can't identify the crime committed.

This has been done formally and has been discussed many times.

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Jack Smith brought two separate federal indictments against Donald Trump:

1. Classified Documents Case (Southern District of Florida)

This indictment alleged that Trump unlawfully retained highly sensitive national defense documents after leaving office and obstructed government efforts to recover them. The superseding indictment ultimately included 40 counts , including: ( factcheck.org )

  • 32 counts of willful retention of national defense information (18 U.S.C. § 793(e), part of the Espionage Act)

  • 1 count of conspiracy to obstruct justice

  • 1 count of withholding a document or record

  • 1 count of corruptly concealing a document or record

  • 1 count of concealing a document in a federal investigation

  • 1 count of scheme to conceal

  • 2 counts related to altering, destroying, mutilating, or concealing evidence

  • 1 count of false statements and representations (against Trump)

    • Additional false statement counts were brought against a co-defendant. ( factcheck.org )


2. 2020 Election / January 6 Case (District of Columbia)

This indictment charged Trump with attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. It contained four counts : ( justice.gov )

  1. Conspiracy to defraud the United States (18 U.S.C. § 371)

  2. Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding (18 U.S.C. § 1512(k))

  3. Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(c)(2), 2)

  4. Conspiracy against rights (18 U.S.C. § 241), alleging a conspiracy to interfere with citizens' right to have their votes counted. ( justice.gov )

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.6    4 months ago
Classified Documents Case

January 6 Case

And here I thought you'd be serious.  Even the evidence is as fabricated as those accusations.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.5    4 months ago
Some of them want him brought up on charges but can't identify the crime committed.

Unnecessary details.  S/

 
 
 
TᵢG
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9.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.7    4 months ago

As always, your posts dismiss all facts, dismiss all evidence, and make utterly ridiculous claims such as fabricated evidence, etc.

It is almost as absurd as Trump claiming the reflecting pool was vandalized.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.1.8    4 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.9    4 months ago
Even the evidence is as fabricated as those accusations.  

One more time...Even the evidence is as fabricated as those accusations.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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9.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.11    4 months ago

Repeating your idiotic claim will not make it correct.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.12    4 months ago

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Igknorantzruls
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9.1.14  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.11    4 months ago
One more time...Even the evidence is as fabricated as those accusations.  

Do you understand Trump ADMITTED to taking the top secret documents, as he claimed he magically could declassify them by just thinking about it. Of course,asz usual, he is full of shit, but did Trump "fabricate" the evidence he confessed to having illegally ? Take that up with Trump, not TiG, they were his stupid words, and 47 owns em'.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Igknorantzruls @9.1.14    4 months ago
Do you understand Trump ADMITTED to taking the top secret documents

You do understand he was authorized?  Think before you go off on a little rant about taking classified material, how it's handled and who is charged.

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.15    4 months ago

he's not authorized to keep it after being asked to return it, being taken to court to return it, or having the FBI come with a search warrant to obtain it ...

it's sad that most maga vets can no longer be counted on to defend the constitution ...

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.17  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.5    4 months ago

‘Some of them want him brought up on charges but can't identify the crime committed.’

Or have him dead for no other reason than Truuuuuuuuuuuuump

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.18  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.15    4 months ago

‘You do understand he was authorized? ‘

I love how leftists squirm when you ask them when Biden was authorized to take classified material. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.19  Hallux  replied to  bugsy @9.1.18    4 months ago

I lurv how rightists try to compare a box of 'classified' material to several loaded moving trucks worth. Very 19th century of them.

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.20  bugsy  replied to  Hallux @9.1.19    4 months ago
"a box of 'classified' material" "loaded moving trucks worth."
Proof of both?

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.21  Hallux  replied to  bugsy @9.1.20    4 months ago
Proof of both?

You trust your lying eyes after 6 years of the master of misogyny? Impressive ... /s

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.22  bugsy  replied to  Hallux @9.1.21    4 months ago

So you have no proof.

No one thought you did

 
 
 
Dig
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9.1.23  Dig  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.9    4 months ago
As always, your posts dismiss all facts, dismiss all evidence, and make utterly ridiculous claims such as fabricated evidence, etc.

Willful stupidity. It's exactly like talking to flat earthers or young earth creationists.

 
 
 
Dig
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9.1.24  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.11    4 months ago
One more time...Even the evidence is as fabricated as those accusations.

If you honestly think that Trump did not leave office with boxes full of classified documents, or that he did not attempt a coup after the 2020 election, after we all saw it unfold live on TV (his speeches full of his narcissistic ego-driven lies, the Eastman memo, Jan 6, his repeated claims to this very day regardless of recount after recount after recount by his own allies at the time, etc.), then you obviously have[✘]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @9.1.18    4 months ago
when you ask them when Biden

They either get silent or they go off in a rage, kind of like we see happening now.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hallux @9.1.21    4 months ago

So you have no proof.  Not that it's surprising.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dig @9.1.24    4 months ago
removed for context
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.28  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.13    4 months ago

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Dismayed Patriot
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9.1.29  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.28    4 months ago
I made this particular person cry

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The fact that you think any of your comments made someone cry is hilarious. Cry with laughter perhaps, but that's about it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.30  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.29    4 months ago

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TᵢG
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9.1.31  TᵢG  replied to  Dig @9.1.23    4 months ago

Worse, IMO, because flat earthers and YECs try to make an argument.   They do not simply claim that every fact stated is mere opinion and that every item of evidence is fabricated.   That is not a rebuttal, it is just trolling.

The evidence of Trump's attempt to steal the 2020 election is overwhelming.   It is obvious.   Those who deny it are IMO just being dishonest.

The evidence of Trump's refusal to cooperate and in fact attempts to impede the safe return of classified documents is also overwhelming and obvious.

How anyone could think that it is valuable to deny this reality is both amazing and sickening.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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9.1.32  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.27    4 months ago
So, because I'm not as gullible as you all I need a psychiatrist?  

Denying reality is a serious problem.   If one is just being dishonest that is one thing.   But if one believes nonsense such as 'the 2020 election was rigged', then that is a serious disconnect with reality.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9    4 months ago
A Jack Smith trial would be a total disaster for Trump and MAGA.

Why?  Everything he has to present is in question.

 
 
 
Dig
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9.2.1  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.2    4 months ago

You saw it all with your own eyes, just like the rest of us.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dig @9.2.1    4 months ago

I did. I saw that Judge Cannon put the ENTIRE investigation into question by asking about his appointment to the position.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.2.2    4 months ago
I saw that Judge Cannon put the ENTIRE investigation into question by asking about his appointment to the position.  

"Hey! You just presented a ton of damning evidence against our dear Leader, are you sure the way you were authorized to investigate him was done properly? Because I think there was a technical error here and we're just going to have to THROW OUT all the evidence you collected of our dear Leaders criminal activity. Procedure in authorizing investigations is SOOOOO much more important than ANY crime our dear Leader may have committed! How dare you besmirch his good and righteous name!"...

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2.3    4 months ago

If it's fucked up at any point , it's fucked up entirely .  Kind of like the unconstitutional spying:

News  just broke  that Jack Smith’s Arctic Frost operation spied on the text messages of 44 Members of Congress, bypassing DOJ safeguards in what may be one of the most shockingly unconstitutional violations of the separation of powers we’ve ever seen. (emphasis mine)

Which is why there is really zero credible evidence to anything you claim.  But don't let that get in the way of your rants.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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9.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.2.4    4 months ago

Do you also believe Trump's claim that China can rig our elections and thus the federal government must act now to preserve the integrity of the midterms?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.2.4    4 months ago
If it's fucked up at any point, it's fucked up entirely.  Kind of like the unconstitutional spying

Apparently, many MAGA would have no problem letting a guy go, completely unchallenged, who they knew violently raped their daughter but had the physical evidence thrown out due to improper collection or handling. I'm sure they would be fighting vociferously for that rapist's life saying, if the chain of custody at any point was fucked up, then the case is fucked up in its entirety and we just we have to let the rapist go.

Personally, I'd be beyond pissed off at the system of course. But that wouldn't make me not hate the rapist that got off on a technicality, so I'd do everything in my power to make sure he paid for his crimes. And if over the rest of my life I was never able to get justice, and would ultimately be forced to live with the verdict, would that mean I'm not allowed to hate the guy I knew raped my daughter? Must those who got off on technicalities be treated as if they're some Saint? Of course not.

Just because OJ was acquitted, do you think most Americans would have invited him to dinner after he was released? Regardless of the technicality that conservatives are so excited over or claiming something was improper, it doesn't change the facts uncovered by the investigation and any Americans who know what was found should absolutely use that knowledge when choosing which party to support politically.

 
 
 
Dig
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9.2.7  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.2.2    4 months ago
I saw that Judge Cannon put the ENTIRE investigation into question by asking about his appointment to the position. 

Something that was rejected and on appeal when Trump got reelected. Aileen Cannon is a Trump stooge who has been reprimanded several times and has even had decisions about the documents case entirely reversed by the conservative majority 11th Circuit.

She's in the bag. Totally corrupt. She needs to be impeached.

And if it doesn't go without saying, a process technicality doesn't wipe away what Trump did. Especially a bullshit technicality like that one. Other special counsels have been appointed exactly the same way. It's ridiculous.

If Trump hadn't won the election that case would have gone to trial, and he would have lost. The evidence against him was overwhelming and unassailable. People have gone to prison for much less mishandling of classified materials.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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9.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Dig @9.2.7    4 months ago
She's in the bag. Totally corrupt. She needs to be impeached.

Exactly.   She is disgraceful and an embarrassment to those who respect and hold true to jurisprudence.

If Trump hadn't won the election that case would have gone to trial, and he would have lost. 

Near certainty.

 
 
 
Thomas
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9.2.9  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.2.4    4 months ago

I had ChatGPT analyze the article, and there was so much bullshit in it that it took over 5 minutes to sort through it. 

Yes.

More precisely, it uses mostly factual fragments, selective omissions, and loaded labels to steer the reader toward conclusions the underlying facts do not establish.

The article’s method is:

  • report a real subpoena, lawsuit, or document production;
  • blur important distinctions, such as metadata versus message content and government-archived texts versus lawmakers’ private accounts;
  • describe the result as “spying” and “lying”;
  • let a predisposed or inattentive reader infer illegality, political targeting, and perjury.
So the problem is less outright fabrication than misleading presentation and unwarranted implication. Your sentence (So it was factual information presented in a way that would lead the unobservant/biased reader to a different conclusion than the situation warrants) captures it, though I would change “different conclusion” to “a more sinister conclusion”, since the article is not merely redirecting the reader. It is escalating what the evidence supports.

Try again.  

 
 

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