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HUGE Win for Conservatives That Nobody Knows About

  

Category:  History & Sociology

Via:  xxjefferson51  •  11 years ago  •  77 comments

HUGE Win for Conservatives That Nobody Knows About
While conservatives agonize over the dismantling of America by an out of control President and activist Supreme Court, there is something BIG to celebrate this summer.According to The Wall Street Journal:Last year, the College Board, the nonprofit corporation that controls all the high-school Advanced Placement courses and exams, published new guidelines for the AP U.S. history test. They read like a left-wing dream. Obsession with identity, gender, class, crimes against the American Indian and the sins of capitalism suffused the proposed guidelines for teachers of AP American history.As of a few weeks ago, that tilt in the guidelines has vanished. The College Boards rewritten 2015 teaching guidelines are almost a model of political fair-mindedness. This isnt just an about-face. It is an important political event.The earlier guidelines characterized the discovery of America as mostly the story of Europeans bringing pestilence, destructive plants and cultural obliteration to American Indians. The new guidelines put it this way: Mutual misunderstandings between Europeans and Native Americans often defined the early years of interaction and trade as each group sought to make sense of the other. Over time, Europeans and Native Americans adopted some useful aspects of each others culture.The previous, neo-Marxist guidelines said, Students should be able to explain how various identities, cultures, and values have been preserved or changed in different contexts of U.S. history, with special attention given to the formation of gender, class, racial, and ethnic identities. That has been removed.Also new: The effort for American independence was energized by colonial leaders such as Benjamin Franklin, as well as by popular movements that included the political activism of laborers, artisans, and women. The earlier version never suggested the existence of Franklinor Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison or anyone resembling a Founding Father. Now theyre back. Even the Federalist Papers were fished out of the memory hole.Most incredible of all, the private enterprise system is, as they say, reimagined as a force for good: As the price of many goods decreased, workers real wages increased, providing new access to a variety of goods and services.Progressives are going ballistic. ThinkProgress.org, categorized the change as College Board Caves to Conservative Pressure. So how did this change occur within the hallowed liberal enclaves of academia?Some states began to push back. Legislative opposition to the guidelines formed in Georgia, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Nebraska, Tennessee, Colorado and Texas. States leveraged their purchasing power and enough pressure built up that the College Board feared significant loss of revenue.Make no mistake, this is a significant event. It demonstrates the power of the silent majority to utilize its strength at the state level to effect massive change that will influence thousands of young minds. http://www.tpnn.com/2015/08/27/huge-win-for-conservatives-that-nobody-knows-about/

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Petey Coober
Freshman Silent
link   Petey Coober    11 years ago

This is big news . Getting rid of the guilt culture is an important step in the study of history .

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
link   Nowhere Man    11 years ago

Nice to see a bit of honesty in the teaching guidelines for a change.

But Jefferson, you are aware that "American Exceptionalism" was a marketing slogan don't you?

I suggest you research the origins of that idealistic term.

From Wiki... (just for starters)

Although the concept of American exceptionalism dates to the founding ideas, the term was first used in the 1920s. The phrase "American exceptionalism" originates from the American Communist Party. The term comes from an English translation of a condemnation made in 1929 by Soviet leader Joseph Stalin criticizing Communist supporters of Jay Lovestone for the heretical belief that America was independent of the Marxist laws of history "thanks to its natural resources, industrial capacity, and absence of rigid class distinctions". Early examples of the term's usage include a declaration made at the 1930 American Communist convention proclaiming that "the storm of the economic crisis in the United States blew down the house of cards of American exceptionalism".

The phrase fell into obscurity for half a century, until it was popularized by American newspapers in the 1980s to describe America's cultural and political uniqueness. The phrase became an issue of contention between presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign, with Republicans attacking Obama for allegedly not believing in it.

Not something I would be throwing around as a conservative aware of what it's real meaning is.

 
 
 
Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty
Freshman Silent
link   Broliver "TheSquirrel" Stagnasty    11 years ago

The previous, neo-Marxist guidelines said, Students should be able to explain how various identities, cultures, and values have been preserved or changed in different contexts of U.S. history, with special attention given to the formation of gender, class, racial, and ethnic identities. That has been removed.

You wouldn't know Marxism if it bit you in the ass.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
link   Nowhere Man    11 years ago

The context you are using it in came about in the '80's during the Reagan Administration. It originated with the Christian factions of the Republican Party.

Reagan himself hated the term and instructed his people to never use it. But, he was aware of it meanings.

I was there when he told us not to use it and why.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

Tell 'em Groucho sent you.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
link   Nowhere Man    11 years ago

....with special attention given to the formation of gender, class, racial, and ethnic identities. That has been removed.

Not pure Marxism at all. But it is the brand of Marxism as modified by Lenin (espoused and named and further modified away from pure Marxism by Stalin) which required forced division by class to effectuate the seizing of political power.

Stalin gave it a name all it's own...

Marxist-Leninism....

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

''Mutual misunderstandings between Europeans and Native Americans often defined the early years of interaction and trade as each group sought to make sense of the other. Over time, Europeans and Native Americans adopted some useful aspects of each others culture.

Crock of shit...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

Yeah, we don't want to teach the truth, just make history up to suit your ideology.

 
 
 
Petey Coober
Freshman Silent
link   Petey Coober    11 years ago

And yet the following is a clear demonstration of the influence of Indian culture on a wide US subculture :

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Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

LOL petey, that looks just like Daniel Snyder...PERFECT, Goth to the max.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
link   pat wilson    11 years ago

You might feel guilt about events from 400 years ago but I don't. I can't be responsible for the past.

I love history and I'd like it to be accurately recorded and taught. This isn't the Dr. Phil show and all touchy feely. Schools should be teaching the facts of what happened not what makes you feel good.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

400 years ago..Talk about revisionist history. You only have to go back to last year..

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

''But that will no longer be the case. Families can feel comfortable that their children are learning the real deal when it comes to American History.''

The real deal..another load of crap. Revisionist historyat it's best.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
link   pat wilson    11 years ago

the article is about history books, right ?

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    11 years ago
Guilt implies responsibility.
 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

LOL pat, I think it's about science fiction from the BS in his article.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
link   pat wilson    11 years ago

What ! Kavica ! you don't want the Pollyanna version of history !!! /s

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

It seems that what the author and seeder of this article wants pat.Smile.gif

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick    11 years ago

Some people look toward the future and some people live in the past. Can you name any country who hasn't had a bad history? Certainly we can try to do better than the past and center our attention on it rather than center all of our attention on atrocities of the past.

This beautiful story has a simple, yet important message. I hope as many people as possible give it a read. I know I am happy I read it, as it gave me a few things to think about in my own life. Sometimes it is the simplest of stories that make us ponder the most.
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Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

I mean telling the truth, warts and all XX. Something that you and the Tea Party aren't capable of.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
link   1stwarrior    11 years ago

Surprised thatGeorgia, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Nebraska, Tennessee, Colorado and Texas are the only states they studied. There are many other racist states who also are considering rewrites to suit their version of history.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

Your version of history is never telling the truth XX. So keep on, keeping on.

What you call ''guilt shaming'' is the truth. Sorry that your limited version of history doesn't understand truth.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

Really?

Would you give the same suggestions to the Germans?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

I have never said we were not a great country XX, stop with the BS. And stop trying to rewrite history to suite you ideology.

Weren't you the one that said learn from the past, but you want to change the past with a pack of lies.

''You can't handle the truth, XX''

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

When you whitewash history, you are doomed to repeat it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

Spot on 1st.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

XX,

In NYS we have always taught about the founding fathers and the federalist papers, so I have no idea what you are talking about. What I am referring to is this:

Mutual misunderstandings between Europeans and Native Americans often defined the early years of interaction and trade as each group sought to make sense of the other. Over time, Europeans and Native Americans adopted some useful aspects of each others culture.

That isnauseating. Now let's do the German version:

Mutual misunderstandings between Germans and Jew often defined the years of the Third Reich when interaction and trade as each group sought to make sense of the other. Over time, Germans adopted useful practices to helpmitigatetheir issues with the Jews.

Yup, that sounds much better. /sarc

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

Cerenkov,

Not guilt, accuracy. How can you feel guilty for something you were not a part of?

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

Conservatives have fretted about the infiltration of liberals into academia and the subsequent indoctrination of our kids.

'Course religions never indoctrinate.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

I have to agree with you about our current cultural aspects Akek. But most Europeans have no idea of American History, while we are taught theirs.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

Yeah,
What about all those states that don't teach evolution. Bet XX is just fine with that, until they have take the college board tests.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

Wait... you feel that is just a black dot on their history timeline? The murder of over 12 million people in death camps?

And BTW, Germany wasn't a country until 1871. So WWII was a substantial part of their history.

Hey you must be OK with the Armenian Genocide, too. The Turks would love you.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

You have to think about all standards, not just history. And apparently your view of history is just as revisionist as the one you are claiming liberals are trying to do, which isn't true, in any case. My daughters had to take the college boards and know about our founding fathers and the federalist papers. I am not sure where this whole story is coming from.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

Give me an example please.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
link   1stwarrior    11 years ago

Liberals??? Proof please.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

You are not giving specifics here, and for the record, Indian genocide was part of American history. I have a big issue with that.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

What's the matter XX, the crimes against Indians has a 500 year history and counting. Something that you so called patriots can't face?

Deny, but the proof is everywhere.

Would you like a history lesson on your state?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
link   Kavika     11 years ago

Part ofthenew standards are a lie. And if you profess them, you know what it makes you XX.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

As stated above, it was the new outlines from last year that was the rewrite that progressives loved.

Yet the three of us asking you these questions are not progressives. So obviously, there is a flaw in the new standards.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

I can't find the WSJ article on this. I can only find your link to the Tea Party article.

Let me clear on what i have read about this issue. Both groups the left and the right are creating a false history. Special interests on the left, false American pride on the right. Neither is correct. Neither provides a full spectrum of events or critical thinking skills. They are both propaganda with real history being left out. That is my issue.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

I have no problem with states setting their own science standards.

If the "standards" arbitrarily preclude the presentation of factual material because it is in conflict with religious dogma, you should have a problem with that because at that point, you cross the "separation of church and state" tenet you otherwise espouse when it suits your purpose.

When government, state or otherwise dictates that religion trumps reality in the classroom, that's state-promoted ignorance!

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

Instead of the Tea Party "report" that begins with the words " According to The Wall Street Journal," let's have the Wall Street Journal article itself.

Let me get you started

The "report" is actually NOT A REPORT, it's an EDITORIAL from

Dan Henninger

He serves as the Deputy Editorial Page Director of the Wall Street Journal and a Fox News contributor . He also writes a column named "Wonder Land" which appears every Thursday. [2] [3] [4] In the 1980s he wrote most of the Journal's editorials on drug regulation. [5] He is a frequent guest on the Saturday Fox News show Journal Editorial Report in which he discusses current issues with fellow editorial page writers and guests. (A transcript of the discussion appears on OpinionJournal.com the following Monday.)

Here's one of Henninger's intentional misrepresentations of an Obama comment

according to Henninger, here is the telling confession, the moment where Obama announced that the traditional American system of checks and balances has never worked. In fact, if you read the speech, Obama was not talking about Congress or the American system of government at all. He was referring to right-wing economic theory, not the layout of American government at all:

It seems we can almost always count on a misrepresentation from those who accuse others of misrepresenting themselves.

When a source is not reputable, there's a good chance that any content from that source is inaccurate, fictional, editorialized but foisted as "news," or, just plain lies.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
link   Perrie Halpern R.A.    11 years ago

Thanks for the 411 Mac.

All I found was the editorial, too when I searched. It's odd that you can't seem to find the actual changes made. I would like to look them over and compare.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

So where specifically does any of thisSATAP College Planning College Search Professional Development Store More validate your headline's claim?

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

I'll take the Wall St. Journal over the NY mag columnist every time. So you countered an editorial opinion with another one from a different source. Of course yours doesn't deal with the seed subject at all but is nothing more than an attack on one author that was cited indirectly by the author of the seeded article.

No, it deals's with the evidence that the editorial writer has no compunction about writing intentional misrepresentations that suit his political agenda!

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

From your linked article:

Conservatives scrutinized the 2014 edition for not being patriotic enough. The Republican National Committee issued a resolution describing the framework as a "biased and inaccurate view of many important events in American history" and calling on Congress to withhold federal funding from the College Board.

The College Board's revisions remain a guide for teachers, not a set of lesson plans. Teachers use them to create lesson plans that prepare students for the AP exams, while upholding local standards for teaching history.

The changes have not quelled criticisms, though, as critics now say the College Board gave in to conservative pressures .

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

As opposed to the prior ones being a total cave in to progressive pressures.

Proof, please.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

Because your opinion writer always uses objective facts and never uses his own opinion when he writes articles on his papers opinion page. Your guy is walk on water perfect because his opinion happens to coincide with yours.

All you need to do is provide the specifics as I do.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    11 years ago

Thanks for trying to present an opinion from Think Progress as "fact".

Just present the counter-points.

Here's the document I NEVER BLUFF!

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   JohnRussell    11 years ago

There are usually at least two interpretations of history , the "winners" and the "losers".

For generations the Battle At The Little Big Horn was portrayed for "American" readers as a valiant stand by devoted American soldiers who were ambushed by an overwhelming Indian force. Custer and the U.S. cavalry was portrayed as trying to defend innocent white settlers from the savages.

Many of the robber barons were originally portrayed in history books as great men who through great personal perseverance and sacrifice built the nation. In early history books there was no mention of the role of labor in the industrialization of America.

The founding fathers in Virginia particularly, were landed gentry who tried to replicate the class structure of England and rigged laws and rules to perpetuate their personal wealth. Washington and Jefferson were both in this group. Classroom history books did not originally reveal these things.

 
 

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