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The Defense - Donald J Trump - Second Impeachment Trial - LIVE - The NewsTalkers

  
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The Defense - Donald J Trump - Second Impeachment Trial  - LIVE - The NewsTalkers
"Reportedly" Who do you believe, Trump's lying lawyers or your lying eyes?

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What are your thoughts regarding the so far lameass defense of Donald J Trump in his historic second impeachment trial?

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JBB
PhD Principal
1  author  JBB    3 weeks ago

Trump's lawyers are making the case...against him!

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago

They sure come off looking desperate But, I did hear one damn good point that makes me question IF this impeachment is such a good idea after all. 

Its kinda complicated to write it out though. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago

Indeed, the first guy, don't know why I can't think of his name, is it Castor?  Said he was the 'lead prosecutor'.  LOL!

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
1.2.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 weeks ago

LOL I caught that as well. 

Although his immediate body language did make me wonder if that wasn't a intentional slip of the tongue to bring home the fact that he usually is prosecuting and what he's really doing today is Prosecuting the congress for being wrong. 

A twist of sorts. trumps MO: blame the other guy, prosecute congress for trying to prosecute trump.

Remember, this guy is on trump's payroll.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @1.2.1    3 weeks ago
"Remember, this guy is on trump's payroll."

LOL!  He ain't getting paid

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
1.2.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    3 weeks ago

According to a source familiar with Trump's legal arrangements, attorneys' fees are being covered by his campaign's legal budget.

LOL.. Tessylo, You are probably correct. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Masters Principal
1.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

Looks like he hired his legal team from the fertilizer isle...

BTW: Good to see ya, been a while. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
1.2.5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  MrFrost @1.2.4    3 weeks ago

Thanks mrFrost Good to see you as well. 

As far as trump's legal team I think at this point "ya take what ya can get" may apply... 

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
1.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @1.2.5    3 weeks ago

I am embarrassed for Philadelphia...

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
1.2.7  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Split Personality @1.2.6    3 weeks ago

LOL

I look at it like someone from somewhere had to do it. 

"But I did I laugh soon after the defence started talking."

Talk about out of place....lol 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

I was struck by the lengthy defense of what Trump said about Charlottesville. 

Trump said "they had a permit".  referring to the pro-Robert E Lee "protesters".  

Yes they had a permit, a permit applied for and held by a white racist group. 

Trump is a moron. 

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
2.1  author  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago

The American Moron Association just called and they want to disavow any relationship they may or may not have had at any time in the past or the future with Donald J Trump, the former President...

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
3  author  JBB    3 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

The Trump lawyer is purporting that Democrats also said "if i lose it will be because the election was stolen" and then showed a series of clips in which exactly one person said that (sherrod brown). The others in the clips said something different.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5  Kathleen    3 weeks ago

The defense has been showing damaging videos.

It just shows the hypocrisy in politics.

I certainly do not agree with what happened at the capital, but I also do not agree with what happened over the summer too. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
5.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kathleen @5    3 weeks ago

Did someone sack the Capitol of the United States of America this summer? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    3 weeks ago

No, but they did a hell of a job of destroying everything along with a lot of violence to personal property and human lives. BOTH are wrong Bob. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

How many lives were lost last summer? I remember that Kyle Rittenhouse killed two... Was there an effort to capture Congresspeople? Was there an effort to overthrow the government?

Burning a Seven/Eleven is not good, but comparing that to 6JAN2021 is nonsense.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.2    3 weeks ago

I am not excusing what happened at the capital, but are you excusing what happened this summer? 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

No.

I am pointing out that the two are not at all comparable.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.1.5  Kathleen  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.4    3 weeks ago

I think there is too much excusing of what happened in the summer. It is forgotten by the left. 

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
5.1.6  author  JBB  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

I think police should stop smothering. and shooting unarmed black people but that has nothing to do with Trump inspiring a violent insurrection to overthrow the constitution!

Let's try to keep to the topic of Trump's trial.

Unrelated things in your head are off topic...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

I agree. Did you see that a judge has allowed the murderer Rittenhouse to remain at liberty?

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
5.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

It's got nothing to do with what trump and his mob did at the Capitol on 1/6/21, NOTHING.  The whataboutism is tiresome.  

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.1.9  Kathleen  replied to  JBB @5.1.6    3 weeks ago

You can always delete what I said if it bothers you.....

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.1.10  Kathleen  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    3 weeks ago

No more tiresome then the obsessive hate I see.

 
 
 
devangelical
Masters Expert
5.1.11  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    3 weeks ago

whataboutism is all they have as their defense,... since 1865. they're f'n pathetic.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.12  CB   replied to  Kathleen @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

It is not forgotten by the 'left,' it is simply NOT THE SAME DEGREE OF OUTCOME. There is no comparison between what happens on a 'street-corner' of America and what happens to the files, documents, codes, security protocols, in the House, White House, and Supreme Court. There are zones of 'inviolability that have been crossed and these must not be allowed to continue. . . or the entire nation will fall into demoralization and its close-cousin despair.

I have been voting several of your comments up, because I agree gratuitous and meaningless violence is pure destruction.

Anybody can co-opt someone's legitimate right or causes to suit their own pretexts. However, there is no JUST CAUSE to enter a lawful establishment such as any state or federal governing body where there are established rules for the merest of activities and sack the gathering. Atknown shout out that hangings and executions are "scheduled" for the members inclusive!

That is the inherent problem with trying to treat all matters with the same depth. Murders, killings, and burning of property is bad (not good), however what is burned and how so can carry different priorities and measurements to the people as a whole.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.1.13  Kathleen  replied to  CB @5.1.12    3 weeks ago

Many police officers were hurt and some people killed. I can’t just think that that is not important. Whether it’s a street person or a senator, all lives are no better then others. 

My point, I don’t care what occupation you have or where you work, all lives are equal. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Masters Expert
5.1.14  devangelical  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.13    3 weeks ago

in what you consider to be any equivalent instance that you can cite, which one was where a joint session of congress was taking place in order to certify the results of an election?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
5.1.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @5.1.12    3 weeks ago
There are zones of 'inviolability that have been crossed and these must not be allowed to continue. . . 

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CB
Professor Principal
5.1.16  CB   replied to  Kathleen @5.1.13    3 weeks ago

Degrees matter. Just ask boiling water. Or the lengths of a beard. We don't have to over work this one. Congress is not a street corner, avenue, or even an idiom 'taking it to the streets.' We simply do not compare theft of individual goods and services to theft of a nation's collective resources, services, and safety authorizations. The former will do great harm, the latter can be gravely catastrophic to every community (in this nation or on this entire planet.)

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
5.2  author  JBB  replied to  Kathleen @5    3 weeks ago

Trump's defense is making him look guilty!

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.2.1  Kathleen  replied to  JBB @5.2    3 weeks ago

I think it makes them all look guilty!

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
5.2.2  author  JBB  replied to  Kathleen @5.2.1    3 weeks ago

All guilty? Of funding, organizing, inspiring and inciting a violent mob that tried to overthrow the will of the American people and of our established government on January 6th of 2021? I do not think so. Only Trump did that!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Participates
5.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @5.2.2    3 weeks ago
Of funding, organizing, inspiring and inciting a violent mob that tried to overthrow the will of the American people and of our established government on January 6th of 2021? I do not think so. Only Trump did that!

Trump didn't do any of that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @5.2.3    3 weeks ago

He had help from Stephen Miller - so he didn't do ALL of it.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Greg Jones @5.2.3    3 weeks ago

O I think he did and furthermore I think he knew exactly what he was doing. Unfortunately for him this time, trump never fully plans anything out past the point he wants to see. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.6  CB   replied to  Kathleen @5.2.1    3 weeks ago

Donald Trump has not engaged himself in the truth about the role of an elected official in the United States. The role of president has a humility component derived from the first president's precedent of demonstrating humbleness in holding the office and a mature resolve to step away from the office at its end. Donald' reaction to loss was to throw a 'hissy-fit,' protest sufficiently, and in the end: try to demolish the House and Senate as an encore to a never to be achieved 'upset' of the rules and regs of the federal government.

You must deal with the 'great lie' about the 2020 election. There is no proof to the lie that is in Donald Trump's head that republican-led and ran states stole votes away from Trump and gave those thousands or so to an opponent.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Kathleen @5    3 weeks ago

The nation stepped into the toilet, so I took a break.

Hopefully we are stepping out of the crap soon though.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.3.1  Kathleen  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.3    3 weeks ago

We will never step out of the crap when it comes to politics. 

Welcome back...

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.3.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Kathleen @5.3.1    3 weeks ago

Thanks Kathleen,

I had become so overwhelmed and disheartened by all the false misdirection utter nonsense and outright denial of reality, I needed a long break.

Reality I can deal with, living in someone else's fantasies I won't, can't and haven't. 

For a long time it seemed alt-facts were acceptable in trump's America.  

Not in mine. So I sat back and observed and wondered for just how long trump's fantasy world would be the new norm. 

trump finally trumped trump, the only way this could end. 

I finally breathe a sigh of relief. !  

Truth and reality do matter ! 

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.3.3  Kathleen  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.3.2    3 weeks ago

I have mixed feelings about it all. I only  explain how I really feel to only a few on here. It’s been a tough year...

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
5.4  Split Personality  replied to  Kathleen @5    3 weeks ago

Whataboutism?  I thought that did not float in court?

While they can make that work emotionally

what they cannot make work is what trump was doing for three hours

what did he know and when did he know it?

Senator Lee knows and now says otherwise.

Senator Tubberville knows it was 2:15PM and is sticking to his story.

Kevin McCarthy called then POTUS Trump and had a profane screaming match with the Trump,

now on record, verified by Republican WH officials who were present.

Instead of tweeting out to call off the riot, Trump Tweets out an attack on Mike Pence.

Incitement? Maybe.

Violation of his oath to the Constitution.  Yes

Dereliction of duty to the Capital, Congress and Mike Pence. Definitely

Tomorrow will reveal the profiles in courage from the Senate.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.1  CB   replied to  Split Personality @5.4    3 weeks ago

Whatever came of the "reach out" to Tuberville via phone by Guiliani beseeching a 'delay' - please sir! During the tail end of the insurrection proceedings? Did the managers point out this little diddy? Did I miss it (still listening to the defense conclusions - questions session upcoming).

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.4.2  Kathleen  replied to  Split Personality @5.4    3 weeks ago

They have to prove incitement, that’s what this impeachment is all about. So I will stick with that, even though I see a lot of hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
5.4.3  Split Personality  replied to  Kathleen @5.4.2    3 weeks ago
They have to prove incitement, that’s what this impeachment is all about.

Nope, it's not a civil or criminal procedure limited to one particular charge.

Mitch just said the former president is clearly 100% guilty of dereliction of duty

and still civilly responsible, even in court.

Mitch fell into the "he's already out of office" crowd.

Mitch wants to be on the right side of history, in spite of his vote.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.4  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @5.4.3    3 weeks ago

Please continue with the spin, deflection and whining. Pelosi says she is proud of the House Managers for the 2nd impeachment. What is she proud of, Trump prevailed. Just another waste of time and taxpayer money. 

She and Schumer haven't had a clue about anything except "get Trump" for over 4 years.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
5.4.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Split Personality @5.4.3    3 weeks ago
Mitch wants to be on the right side of history...

That will depend less on Mitch's acts and more on who writes the history.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
5.4.6  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @5.4.4    3 weeks ago
Please continue with the spin, deflection and whining.

Poor you if that's what you interpreted.

Pelosi says she is proud of the House Managers for the 2nd impeachment.

And we all should be. They were cogent and made the best case they could in spite of what was perceived as a predetermined outcome.

What is she proud of,.

She's apparently proud of the democratic process.  In some other countries Trump would have been "disappeared " by now.

Trump prevailed

In spite of the three stooges, on a perceived technicality.

Just another waste of time and taxpayer money. 

Like every other impeachment of Presidents, Senators and cabinet members, Benghazi investigations, Whitewater,

Mueller & Durham investigations et. al..

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Principal
5.4.7  Raven Wing  replied to  Split Personality @5.4.6    3 weeks ago

Indeed it was a forgone conclusion from the beginning way back that Trump would be acquitted. The GOP majority live in fear of Trump and his well known 'death squad' extremists and well armed militias that are there to do his dirty work so that he can stay 'innocent', and let them take the falls, and perhaps death, for him instead.

If anyone thinks that Trump is totally off the hook for his treasonous actions, they should think again. This was just one step to lead the way for the civil and criminal laws to take over. 

It played out as expected, so no big surprise, and now the real law will take over make sure he pays the price for his own dirty work. 

I for one am glad that the Impeachment show is over, and our government can now move on to the far more important work it should do. Running our government for the benefit of the American people, not some mentally demented, infantile Dictator wannabe. And there will be nothing his "Proud Boys", "Oath Takers", Qanon, or any of his other treasonous insurrectionist and anti-American organizations supported by Russia will be able to do to save Trumps ass moving forward. In fact, it begins to look like they may have their own issues with the law soon.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.8  CB   replied to  dennis smith @5.4.4    3 weeks ago

It was a very good trial for historical record-keeping purposes. The world will now be able to reproduce the video, audio, and textual documentation of the insurrection of 2021 ICO (in case of) Donald J. Trump. I'd say that eases the 'pain and ache' of republicans who would love it if there were no official record of 'complaint' so they could bitch about it being missing.

Dennis, it's done and archived as I write! (Smile.)

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.9  CB   replied to  Split Personality @5.4.6    3 weeks ago

It is clear as day that republicans are exploiting their job positions to legally run defense for all of Donald Trump's crimes and whims, even now as a private citizen. Expect them to try and pass laws that restraint judges from legally binding and sentencing Donald Trump.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.10  CB   replied to  Raven Wing @5.4.7    3 weeks ago

Donald Trump's 'lieutenants' are still prowling around calling and bothering those who speak out against Donald out of sight of the public. It is happening on the "down-low."

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
5.4.11  Split Personality  replied to  Raven Wing @5.4.7    3 weeks ago

57 votes was a pleasant surprise.  Several people found their spines.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
5.4.12  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Split Personality @5.4.11    3 weeks ago
57 votes was a pleasant surprise.  Several people found their spines.

Might have been a surprise that 7 crossed over , not really a surprise who they were, it was predictable for at least 3 of them.

Now as for finding a spine , that would be a matter of opinion i think and how and from what view is how the opinion is formed .

 As for the 7, it will be interesting to see what the election results will be once they come up for re-election, and IF todays vote has any effect on it at all.  

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.13  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @5.4.6    3 weeks ago

Spin, deflection and denial once again.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.14  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @5.4.11    3 weeks ago

And not one of them was a Democrat

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.15  dennis smith  replied to  CB @5.4.8    3 weeks ago

Deflection and denial - Is that all you have to say?

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.16  dennis smith  replied to  CB @5.4.10    3 weeks ago

And the whining continues

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.17  dennis smith  replied to  CB @5.4.8    3 weeks ago

 Time for Congress to take on realistic issues and work for resolution to them instead of carrying grudges.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.18  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @5.4.6    3 weeks ago

The impeachment and subsequent trial was a waste of time and money and nothing else.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.19  CB   replied to  dennis smith @5.4.15    3 weeks ago

Nothing more needed. Would you like me to place an order for a march on the Capitol? No way, "Jose."

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.20  CB   replied to  dennis smith @5.4.16    3 weeks ago

Oh, it's not whining if it's true. (And it is.) Donald Trump and company 'phone-molests' republicans like a pig going down on a large box of hot chicken wings!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.21  CB   replied to  dennis smith @5.4.17    3 weeks ago

Don't whine. Congress can do whatever it wants or not. Most of them are faithless servants anyway- damn old and tired, and will little fire stirring in their bellies.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.22  CB   replied to  dennis smith @5.4.18    3 weeks ago

The archive will be great. It will have to do. Also, Trump is being diminished as a troublemaker and general royal ass pain.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.23  dennis smith  replied to  CB @5.4.19    3 weeks ago

Spin and deflection once again

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.24  dennis smith  replied to  CB @5.4.20    3 weeks ago

More deflection and spin and whining

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.25  dennis smith  replied to  CB @5.4.21    3 weeks ago

Not me whining. Agreed that most of Congress of both major parties are faithless servants. They are also spineless. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.4.26  dennis smith  replied to  CB @5.4.22    3 weeks ago

Pelosi, Schumer and McConnell are also being diminished as troublemakers and general royal ass pains

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Principal
5.4.27  Raven Wing  replied to  Split Personality @5.4.11    3 weeks ago
Several people found their spines.

True..but, there just wasn't enough with spines to change the GOP's plans to acquit. Most of them are scared to death of Trumps and the safety of themselves and their family. That is how the Mafia works, and that is how Trump works. A trait he learned from his Father at an early age. His Father was very closely associated with the Mafia later in life, and Trump learned the inside of how the Mafia works at his Father's knee.

The Trump Familia is a on a level with the Gambino Crime Familia. They rule with fear and intimidation. And that is how Trump plays the game. We clearly saw today how well Trumps intimidation works. He now owns the GOP full bore.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.28  CB   replied to  dennis smith @5.4.23    3 weeks ago

If you must insist. Okay! Give it time. You're get over it: You have no choice.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
5.4.29  Split Personality  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.4.12    3 weeks ago

Toomey, Burr and Portman are retiring.

They can vote their hearts or conscience with fear or political retribution.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
5.4.30  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @5.4.14    3 weeks ago

Good one Dennis !

very clever compared to your other juvenile comments.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
5.4.31  Kathleen  replied to  Split Personality @5.4.3    3 weeks ago

I think it has a lot to do with the fear of Trump running again. He can run again. Now, will he win, I do not know, but that is what the left was aiming for. 

I think it would be better to move on now. Start concentrating on more important things for this country instead of being stuck on 
Trump. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
5.4.32  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kathleen @5.4.31    3 weeks ago
I think it would be better to move on now.

He committed crimes. They should not go unpunished.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.33  CB   replied to  Kathleen @5.4.31    3 weeks ago

You're mistaken. Many of us are not "stuck on Trump." At least, I am not stuck on Trump. I want him to get out of my life, and he is promising anybody who cares to listen or not - it is his life's mission to continue to lie, cheat, and steal from the public as long as he can get away with it.

Please, try to understand. I don't fear Donald Trump. I don't tolerate bull patty from anyone who enters my frame of reference, nevertheless.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
5.4.34  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @5.4.31    3 weeks ago

Clearly they are stuck on..................Trump.

I just wonder how long they will persist!

 
 
 
cjcold
PhD Quiet
5.4.35  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.34    3 weeks ago

Not sure who "they" are but Trump has SDNY to deal with next.

Trumps legal problems are just beginning.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.4.36  CB   replied to  cjcold @5.4.35    3 weeks ago

And not that it matters overly, Senate Minority Leader McConnell and "big wig" in the Republican Party, Saturday in the senate, hearing threw Donald to the 'lions' if they can get to him. So "H" yeah we're going to talk about it any time we wish.

Donald Trump is a full of bull patty. So - now - what?!

 
 
 
cjcold
PhD Quiet
6  cjcold    3 weeks ago

Van Der Veen is drunk!

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
6.1  author  JBB  replied to  cjcold @6    3 weeks ago

You don't have to be drunk to defend Donald Trump, but it probably helps. A lot. It probably helps a lot...

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
7  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     3 weeks ago

Looking at a person's past and their present is usually a good indication of where they will go in the future.

I have seen to never underestimate trump. 

trump trumped himself good this time but he will be back.

Links below all "Comeback kid trump" articles:  

Never underestimate this megalomaniac !  Ever !

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

www.usatoday.com   /story/news/factcheck/2021/01/15/fact-check-quotes-democratic-leaders-riots-out-context/6588222002/

Fact check: Quotes from Democratic leaders about riots, unrest taken out of context

10-13 minutes

The claim: Democratic leaders in the House and Senate called for violence during BLM protests

Democratic leaders applied a double standard to Black Lives Matter protesters and  supporters of President Donald Trump who breached the U.S. Capitol building on Wednesday, according to a Facebook post.

The Jan. 6   post  features a meme with images of Rep. Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass.; Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif.; House Speaker Nancy Pelosi; and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris superimposed over images of buildings on fire. Text overlays of quotes purportedly from last summer's BLM protests are attributed to each.

"Direct quotes when BLM was BURNING down cities and killing people in the streets! 'Peaceful protests' the media called it," user Kyle Rubenstein wrote. His post has over 600 shares.

Actions taken by insurgents who infiltrated the Capitol on Wednesday while results of the 2020 presidential election were certified were labeled differently, according to Rubenstein.

"Trump supporters take to the capital, dont burn or loot. News calls it domestic terrorism. This is why we are fed up!!!!" the caption ends.

In an email response to USA TODAY, Rubenstein elaborated on his post.

"Let's see all the lies the media 'news' has been feeding the country about the political non sense going on in the world today and the fact you fake fact checkers are hiding or trying to hide the truth or blocking freedom of speech just bc one agrees with oneside not the other seems some folks need to put their big boy pants on and grow up," Rubenstein wrote.

A   similar meme  was posted to Facebook on Jan. 8 using the same quotes; it has received 3,500 shares.

Another   posted that day  to the page American Kool-Aid Drinkers included additional remarks from former Attorney General Loretta Lynch and CNN host Chris Cuomo. All quotes are compared to an excerpt from Trump's now deleted  tweet  to his supporters on Jan. 6: "Go home with Love & in Peace. Remember this day forever!"

"Much of our material is, 'unoriginal,' in that it comes from another source, i.e. various social media sources. With that said, AKD is more an aggregator of humorous memes, Mike Hunt American Kool-Aid Drinkers told USA TODAY. 

Quotes taken out of context

The claims were posted after violence at the U.S. Capitol that led to the deaths of five people. Clashes between Trump supporters and Capitol police recalled images from Black Lives Matter-led racial justice demonstrations last summer, some of which turned violent.

Several incidents preceded the BLM protests, including the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor — two unarmed Black citizens — at the hands of police and the killing of Black jogger Ahmad Aubrey by white supremacists early last year,   according to USA TODAY .

But the quotes used in the claims are either related to BLM protests and incomplete, or have nothing to do with them at all. 

Here's a breakdown of circumstances surrounding each quote.

Vice President-elect Kamala Harris

Harris has gone on record as supporting peaceful anti-violence demonstrations after police officers in Kenosha, Wisconsin,   shot Jacob Blake , a Black man, several times in the back on Aug. 23.

Harris said that "protesters should not let up!" according to the claim. That abbreviated quote has been fodder for social media claims before, USA TODAY has  reported .

The full statement is more nuanced. During a June 17   interview   on "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert," Harris told Colbert that protests — not riots — should not let up.

Colbert observed that reporting on protests happening in major cities across the country appeared to be dwindling, to which Harris responded: "That's right. But they're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop, and this is a movement, I'm telling you.

"They're not gonna stop, and everyone beware, because they're not gonna stop," she continued. "They're not gonna stop before Election Day in November, and they're not gonna stop after Election Day.

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"Everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they're not going to let up — and they should not. And we should not," Harris concluded,   according to USA TODAY

The vice president-elect made a distinction between rioting and protesting in a rebuttal to Trump's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention in September, CBS News   reported .

"We must always defend peaceful protest and peaceful protesters. We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was arrested for murder," Harris said. "Make no mistake, we will not let these vigilantes and extremists derail the path to justice." 

Rep. Ayanna Pressley

Pressley's statements about last summer's BLM protests were similarly taken out of context.

"There needs to be unrest in the streets," Pressley said, according to the claim.

The quote, grabbed from Pressley's Aug. 15 interview on MSNBC's "AM Joy," is incomplete. A clip with her full remarks was   posted   to BlackEnterprise.com.

"Don’t let up, send emails, make phone calls," the congresswoman told host Tiffany Cross in reference to the protests. "There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there's unrest in our lives. And unfortunately, there's plenty to go around," she concluded.

Pressley's statement was shared widely in conservative social media circles. After the interview, thousands of messages, some "ominous," were sent to her office,   according to The 19th News .

Rep. Maxine Waters

Unlike Harris and Pressley, Waters' charged statement about "pushing back" against Cabinet officials predates last year's BLM protests.

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere," Waters said, according to the claim.

The California congresswoman's remarks were in response to the Trump administration's 2018 "zero tolerance" family separation policy at the U.S.-Mexico border, CNN   reported  on June 25, 2018.

Waters called for reuniting migrant families in her full statement.

"Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents,” she said, according to CNN.

Trump said Waters called for "harm to his supporters" in a  tweet  later that day.

"Congresswoman Maxine Waters, an extraordinarily low IQ person, has become, together with Nancy Pelosi, the Face of the Democrat Party. She has just called for harm to supporters, of which there are many, of the Make America Great Again movement. Be careful what you wish for Max!" the president tweeted.

Waters made no reference to Trump's supporters and underscored that she had no sympathy for members of the current administration in an MSNBC interview that same day.

“The people are going to turn on them. They’re going to protest. They’re going to absolutely harass them until they decide that they’re going to tell the President, ‘No, I can’t hang with you,’” Waters said of administration officials, according to CNN.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Pelosi was also referring to the Trump administration's family separation policy with her statement about nationwide uprisings. 

"I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be," Pelosi said, according to the claim.

During a June 14, 2018, press conference, Pelosi was asked about former House Speaker Paul Ryan's comment about legislation being the best way to change the separation policy. She disagreed.

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"This is an act of the administration. They have been planning this for a while," Pelosi said, according to a   video   provided by C-SPAN. 

Near the end of a lengthy response, Pelosi expressed surprise that there weren't uprisings in the street.

"When we had a had a hearing on a subject related to this asylum seeker, refugees, etc., the (National) Association of Evangelicals testified that refugees and asylum ... they called it the crown jewel of America's humanitarianism," she said. "And in order to do away with that crown jewel, they're doing away with children being with their moms.

"This is ... I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be," Pelosi continued.

The remarks about uprisings were in no way tied to BLM protests.

Our rating: Missing context

We rate this claim MISSING CONTEXT, based on our research. Two quotes attributed to members of the Democratic Party that allegedly referenced last summer's Black Lives Matter protests actually predate the events. The two remaining quotes were not provided in full. None of the people mentioned in the claim called for violence over peaceful protest, according to sources.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @8    3 weeks ago

But John... they did say those things!

Context, schmontext...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1    3 weeks ago

Facts schmacts . . . . 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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8.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.1    3 weeks ago

Incitation? I didn't see any incitation.

Violence? I didn't see any violence.

original

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

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JBB
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9.1  author  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @9    3 weeks ago

Jan 6th, 2021 was a violent attempt overthrow of the government of the United States of America!

Trump bears most of the responsibility as leader.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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9.1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  JBB @9.1    3 weeks ago

It was a horrible thought out plan that had no real chance of success. trump planned it. 

trump trumped trump... the only way this could end.

 
 
 
cjcold
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9.1.2  cjcold  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

Trump's legal problems are just beginning. SDNY will have their day.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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9.1.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  cjcold @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

As it should be, trump always leaves a trail of tears in his wake. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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9.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tessylo @9    3 weeks ago

But a Republican caused it so no problem. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.2    3 weeks ago

But of course . . . 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Trump impeachment trial: Live coverage and news from the Senate

By Meg Wagner, Melissa Mahtani, Melissa Macaya and Veronica Rocha, CNN
10-13 minutes

48 min ago

Fact check: Defense lawyer falsely claims Trump’s first two tweets during the Capitol attack urged calm 

From CNN's Daniel Dale

Trump's defense lawyer Michael van der Veen claimed during today's presentation that “the first two messages the President sent via Twitter once the incursion of the Capitol began” on Jan. 6 urged people to “stay peaceful” and called for “no violence.”

Facts First: This is not true.

Trump’s “stay peaceful” tweet at 2:38 p.m. ET and “no violence” tweet at 3:13 p.m. ET were his second and third tweeted messages after the Capitol was breached, not his first.

Trump’s first tweet was at 2:24 p.m. ET: “Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”  

Rioters had already entered the US Capitol building by the time of the Trump tweet about Pence. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @10    3 weeks ago

Trump lawyers showed a video montage of Democrats saying "fight"

From CNN's Aditi Sangal

While   presenting their case   in the Senate, former President Trump's defense lawyers showed a video to argue that prominent Democrats have consistently used the word “fight” and the phrase “fight like hell” in several speeches and interviews. The video spent a significant time focusing on Sen. Elizabeth Warren. 

"The House managers spoke about rhetoric, about a constant drumbeat of heated language," Trump lawyer David Schoen said. "We need to show you some of their own words."

The Democratic leaders shown on the video were not saying “fight” to a crowd that would later head to the US Capitol with the 2020 electoral votes at stake. Some of the statements shown in the video were made during media interviews or at rallies.

Remember:   The   allegation of "incitement"   is central to  the impeachment case House Democrats are making  because it ties his words and actions to the Jan. 6 insurrection on Capitol Hill.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    3 weeks ago
Chuck
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Trump defense lawyers lied multiple times in opening minutes! Trump lawyers said House Mgrs. did not send tapes over to them & they were required to do before their own use !! Lied about Antifa being @Capitol; FBI ruled otherwise; #Fact - #check #readily #available #ImpeachmentTime
 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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10.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.1    3 weeks ago

Did you... did anyone... expect honesty?

 
 
 
CB
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10.1.3  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @10.1    3 weeks ago

Moreover, it is self-defeating for the Trump lawyer to complain that Trump was quoted without context and then to use abbreviated "fight" snippets (some mere nano-seconds long) of democrats speaking without context! I 'clocked' his blunder on that one.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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11  Thrawn 31    3 weeks ago

There is a reason his defense has been so pathetic. They know the GOP senators are fucking cowards and terrified of their base. That is all. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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11.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Thrawn 31 @11    3 weeks ago

IMO: They only have one real defence: trump never spoke the words "Take over the capitol" He implied it over and over, yet knowingly he never said the words out loud in public.

I'm not real politically savvy but I do highly respect WORDS.

  Words do matter. Each word has a meaning.  

trump did not tell his followers explicitly what to do what rioters did, he did imply it for many though.

So, Considering  that Words do matter.

IMO: That is different than ordering or even asking his followers to do a specific task.

 
Is implication of a desired outcome by an elected official illegal  ?   a high crime or misdemeanor ? 
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Bar trump from ever running again !!  

......................................................  but,

If legally and rightfully possible so, but trump's implying to riot and seise the capitol does open the door to an implication now being the basis of illegality ?  Really ?

If I imply someone needs to be killed, will I be breaking the law ? 

Words have power. Freedom of speech is important. How it was used is part of this trial. Proceed with caution. Please. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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11.1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @11.1    3 weeks ago

UPDATE: As the vote was being casted, I was very carefully reading these following words to myself, the articles of impeachment and thinking .......

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RESOLUTION 
Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United 
States, for high crimes and misdemeanors. 
1 Resolved, That Donald John Trump, President of the 
2 United States, is impeached for high crimes and mis3 
demeanors and that the following article of impeachment 
4 be exhibited to the United States Senate: 
5 Article of impeachment exhibited by the House of 
6 Representatives of the United States of America in the 
7 name of itself and of the people of the United States of 
8 America, against Donald John Trump, President of the 
9 United States of America, in maintenance and support of 
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1 its impeachment against him for high crimes and mis2 
Demeanors. 

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ARTICLE I: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION 

The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives ‘‘shall have the sole Power of Impeachment’’  and that the President ‘‘shall be removed from Office on  Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or  other high Crimes and Misdemeanors’’. In his conduct of the office of President of the United States—and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed— Donald John Trump engaged in high Crimes and Misdemeanors by willfully inciting violence against the Government of the United States, in that: 
On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the Twelfth Amendment of the United States Constitution, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representa tives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump addressed a crowd of his political supporters nearby. There, he reiterated false claims that ‘‘we won this election, and we won it by a landslide’’. 
He also willfully made statements that encouraged—and foreseeably resulted in—imminent lawless action at the Capitol. Incited by President Trump, a mob unlawfully breached the Capitol, injured law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress and the Vice President, interfered with the Joint Session’s solemn constitutional duty to certify the election results, and engaged in violent, deadly, destructive, and seditious acts. 
President Trump’s conduct on January 6, 2021 was consistent with his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 presidential election. Those prior efforts include, but are not limited to, a phone call on January 2, 2021, in which President Trump urged Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to ‘‘find’’ enough votes to overturn the Georgia presidential election results and threatened Mr. Raffensperger if he failed to do so. In all of this, President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coordinate branch of government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. 
Wherefore President Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy, and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. President Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
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WOW, I just read this. I have just finished watching the whole impeachment trial proceedings (not watching any commentators at breaks).

I Agree with all that is written above.  

I would need to vote Guilty. 

 
 
 
JBB
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12  author  JBB    3 weeks ago

256

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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12.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  JBB @12    3 weeks ago

lol

 
 
 
Ender
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13  Ender    3 weeks ago

I didn't watch it today. It seems like the only thing I missed was republicans saying...look at the other guy...

Pointing fingers in every direction.

Basically saying, look squirrel...

 
 
 
JBB
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13.1  author  JBB  replied to  Ender @13    3 weeks ago

You are correct. The defense is a big whataboutism.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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14  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

The question about why Trump did nothing to stop the riot is a kick in the stomach to the defense. His lawyer basically said "no mas". 

 
 
 
JBB
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14.1  author  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @14    3 weeks ago

What did the President know? When did he know it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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14.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @14.1    3 weeks ago

His own defense lawyers don't have an answer to that question. 

 
 
 
JBB
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14.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @14.1.1    3 weeks ago

EXACTLY!

 
 
 
JBB
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14.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @14.1.1    3 weeks ago

Trump knew what you and I knew when we all knew it that day January 6th! For two hours he knew our Congress was under seige by his supporters while he encouraged them. Only after Pence called in reinforcements did Trump and his followers concede the field

of battle. A battle against the United States!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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14.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @14.1.3    3 weeks ago

The Q and A period has been brutal on the defense. 

 
 
 
JBB
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14.1.5  author  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @14.1.4    3 weeks ago

The gop is just a bunch of Trump bootlickers.

 
 
 
cjcold
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14.1.6  cjcold  replied to  JBB @14.1    3 weeks ago

If he didn't know everything ahead of time, both he and his intelligence agencies were idiots.

The proud boys and other violent right wing groups were specifically invited by Trump.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.7  CB   replied to  cjcold @14.1.6    3 weeks ago

Trump knew. The intelligence was there to be read and interpreted. It gives new meaning to the presidential debate quote: "Proud Boys stand back and stand-by." - Period!

(We even had commenters on 'horseback, wearing armor holding a lance' telling us our country as we know it is soon ending, and posted 'images of planes and bombs exploding in D.C. on January 6, 2021' on NT!)

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
15  author  JBB    3 weeks ago

Finally someone asks the most pertinent questions.

What did Trump know? When did he know it? What did he do to stop it once he knew? When did he act?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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16  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Things are going downhill fast for the defense once they got to the question and answer portion. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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17  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
Claire McCaskill
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“The attack on the Capitol had nothing to do with Donald Trump”. Say wut?
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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18  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Mark Hamill
@HamillHimself
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43m
What did the President know & when did he know it?

President's Lawyers: CricketCricketCricketCricketCricketCricketCricketCricketCricketCricket

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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19  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Trump's lawyer who is answering all the questions is imploding. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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20  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

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The spineless unprincipled Republican Senators would STILL not have the integrity and balls to convict him.  So those are the people Americans want to be their representatives?   jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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21  Hal A. Lujah    3 weeks ago

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more strenuous attempt to polish a turd than today’s proceedings.  And by turd I mean Trump, of course.  

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
22  author  JBB    3 weeks ago

So, does everyone agree Trump is guilty as charged?

 
 
 
charger 383
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22.1  charger 383  replied to  JBB @22    3 weeks ago

no

 
 
 
JBB
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22.1.1  author  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @22.1    3 weeks ago

It seems the yeas have it...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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22.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  JBB @22    3 weeks ago

Excellent question. It will be interesting to see how Newstalkers declare themselves.

I say ''Guilty as charged''.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
22.3  CB   replied to  JBB @22    3 weeks ago

Of course Donald Trump is guilty as charged. He requested "the dark web" to attend his protest rally in Washington, D.C. They did. Donald had incendiary rhetoric 'poured' from the lips of his rally warm-up 'acts,' They consumed it.  Donald Trump directed their focus to the House and Senate building. They when to it.

It was all because of a 'big lie' vocalized and repeated under the express control of Donald Trump and people died (on "both sides") that day. Subsequently, they have federal cases and so does Donald!

 
 
 
Gsquared
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22.4  Gsquared  replied to  JBB @22    3 weeks ago

Yes.  Guilty as charged.

"Trump aimed a dagger at the heart of our constitutional system."  That's a quote from Elizabeth Drew, a long-time, very astute, political journalist.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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22.5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  JBB @22    3 weeks ago

"incitement of insurrection"

I agree trump is guilty of "incitement of insurrection"

He did and said many things toward this act of insurrection for Damn sure. 

In true trump fashion President trump misrepresented, mislead, misdirected, exaggerated, attacked, diminished, and manipulated reality using words.

However, trump wasn't a total idiot, many times, many times trump used his words very carefully. He did not  say words such as , "Attack the capitol", "Hang the VP", "Storm the capitol", "take over the capitol".

All those words he knew would cross the line and jeopardize his power.

SO We are left with the intent to "incitement of insurrection"

NO real words saying , instructing or ordering his followers to even riot.

Guilty of    "incitement of insurrection"   Yes, but proceed with caution. 

intention is a slippery slop in a world of word meanings without specific words to back it up.  

I'll concede, trump's also aware of this trump card, (lope-hole) or he would have been more specific at his last rally.  Yes, He knew what he was doing ! 

and he did it the safest way he could.. for HIMSELF. 

 
 
 
CB
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22.5.1  CB   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @22.5    3 weeks ago

And another 'flotilla' of victims are drowning in the chill of legal exposure while Donald Trump 'takes' the yacht home. PSYCHE.

One has to ask: What did the "patriots" hear when 'President Donald' spoke?

Donald Trump gaslighted his own supporters. Lucky for them that only so many could get their 'close-ups' on the Capitol grounds smearing piss and shit, breaking and entering,  maiming, torturing, and killing and being killed.

Donald Trump is attempting to get away leaving his private and personal 'marks' holding the bag!  Whew! It is good for the 'marks' that some are left over . . . for the next escapade!

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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22.5.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  CB @22.5.1    3 weeks ago

I fully agree.

trump always leaves a trail of tears in his wake. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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22.5.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  CB @22.5.1    3 weeks ago
One has to ask: What did the "patriots" hear when 'President Donald' spoke?

Again I agree, I'd say many thought they heard a march to arms, as intended. again intentions are hard to prove though.

trump's calling card, misusing words to HIS advantage over and over !!  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
22.5.4  CB   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @22.5.2    3 weeks ago

It's the tale of Trump's reel:

An ode to the men and women, boys and girls, who are giving their lives to a Donald Trump production.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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22.5.5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  CB @22.5.4    3 weeks ago

Why do I have a feeling that trump's sequel would be worse than his debut ? 

and probably damage a lot more actors. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
22.5.6  CB   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @22.5.5    3 weeks ago

Life experiences likely have taught you be on guard against the coming stench of an unwashed, unrepentant, beast of a man prowling through the political brush consuming lesser politicians with growling bites and mufflling of their whimpers. This producer has an ambitious and unpredictable narrative and yes. . . it is a horror story.

One more thing: Trump productions are full of "cancelled" (culture) stars! They politically 'bleed' out and there blue hulls are dragged off into the night.