Exclusive - January 6th Congressional Hearing Live
"They were screaming, 'Kill Him With His Own Gun'. They tortured me. They beat me. I was unconscious for four minutes."
As the far right celebrates elderly former US Senator Barbara Boxer being mugged and ridiculed Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez for correctly using a big word the whole truth of what realky happened in Washington DC on January 6th, 2021 is being illustrated. What are your thoughts as you watch the hearing live on television? Frankly, my first impression is how stunning it all still is. A Trumpian mob of thousands egged on by Trump himself violently attacked the heart of our Republic on January 6th. It was the bravery of the men and women defending the citadel of our Democracy that saved our freedom and our Constitution. America, are you guys watching?
Are you guys watching this?
Nope! Much ado about nothing. Won't add a thing to what we already know
Nothing?
WTF!!!
What about this . . . from coverage of today's hearings. (Today was Day1, consisting of testimony from people who were there! (Four brave D.C. police officers):
Here's the actual testimony:
D.C. Police Officer Gonell Slams Trump's Comments: 'I'm Still Recovering From all Those Hugs And Kisses'
the capitol police testimony of how much trumpsters support the police? yup.
Blue lives matter to them only when they are beating on or killing black men.
Kinda like how black lives matter only when a black person is killed by a white cop, justified or not.
Lately its becoming more and more obvious that the term "Blue Lives Matter" no longer applies to most Trump supporters!
(And its really becoming even clearer to people who watched today'ls testimonies. (Today was Day 1-- testimony from D.C. police Officers who were actually there-- and what they experienced from the Insurrectionists.
kinda like how your comment implies that both statements are equally true...
Blue lives never matter to the left unless they can be used as a political tool to try and get Trump (yet again); and slightly diminish the beating Democrats are going to take at midterms.
Wow, how is that alternate reality where you reside?
All you Turd Reich supporters?
Where have you been?
"Defund the police" does that ring a bell for you? Check Google and Youtube for a long list of Democrats screaming for it.
Leftist protesters attacking and injuring officers across the US for the last 5 plus years; and the left encouraging defending those "mostly peaceful protesters".
The only time the left cares about officers is when they can use them as a political tool to attack Trump and Republicans.
Are you guys watching this?
One of the most important of recent news stories!
(Full coverage on most TV stations...but I wonder if Fox is covering it at all...???)
Adam Kinzinger has tears in his eyes as he praises the Capitol Police.
Kinzinger is giving great opening remarks.
Oh, this is the political stunt they are going to try and will the midterms with?
They think the public will forget open borders, run away inflation, teaching racism in our schools via Jan 6th? Are they that far gone?
Rational human beings can't be decieved that way. Everyone tune into CNN and turn off your ability to reason.
Vic, answer a question for me.
Donald Trump watched the violent riot on television for hours BEFORE he went on twitter and told his supporters, the insurrectionists to "Remember this day forever".
Why was he telling them to remember "forever" a violent attack by his supporters on the national seat of government ?
Trump congratulated the people who attacked the Capitol Building.
Don't you think Congress needs to find out why?
They aren't trying to find out why. Their purpose is to put on another BS show; like their two impeachments, and the Mueller hearings. Crank up the emotional water works; tug on TDS sufferers already frayed grasp of reality; and waste a shitload of tax payer money. Then rail against the system not allowing them to do anything; which they knew from the start.
The sooner Pelosi and crew are out of power the better. Mid terms cannot come quick enough.
Sorry JohnRussell, but you do crack me up sometimes...
Ok, you answer why Trump told his supporters to remember a violent riot on his behalf "forever". But because that is exactly what he did. He was even president of the United States at the time.
Oh, they are investigating Trump again? Got it.
Not again, STILL or FINALLY.
You are defenseless in this argument so maybe we should go easy on you.
I asked YOU why Trump, (who knew that his supporters had been violent and attacking police and had entered the Senate chamber and tried to enter the house chamber,) told his mob to "remember this day forever". He didnt say that before the riot, he said it after he had been watching the violence on television for hours.
Go easy? Fuck that? Hammer the shit out of him!
Where's Maxwell when we need him?
Do you imagine that there is ANY chance they will?
This is theatre.
You like it because you hate Trump. Don't overcomplicate it.
I do that every day. Let me take at least one afternoon off.
Correct:
After congressional Republicans widely rejected a bipartisan commission to investigate the Capitol riot, US Rep Michelle Fischbach claimed that “Democrats refuse to put together a truly bipartisan commission” – after she voted against the bipartisan attempt from both Democrats and Republicans.
She had her chance for a bi-partisan commission, but voted against it!
(Anyone remember that?)
Well, probably some NT users don't have a Clue, but I think Maxwell's in the Aviary with Colonel Mustard, banging on Occam's razor, poor fellow!
(Either that...or Maxwell's back in school again, playing the fool again!
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Granted, Oh Wise One
It is all they have.
They have to play it to the bitter, already predetermined, and futile end. Their media shills will broadcast their "investigation" wall to wall making each witness and remark more sensational than the last. Of course they will accomplish jack shit of nothing; other than wasting tax payer money- and making anyone with a functioning brain cell not suffering from rampant TDS hate politicians and the media even more.
People who will hate the media and Congress more because there is an investigation into Jan 6th are no better than traitors.
Oh please, spare us the overwrought emotionalistic bullshit..
we all saw what happened on jan 6th. they need to call mc carthy, jared kushner, ivanka, peter navarro, giuliani, don jr, and trump himself, all up to testify before this committee. also jim jordan, boebert, and marjorie greene to see if they were part of a conspiracy.
Spare us the derail and more denial of facts!
The brave men who preserved our freedom on January 6th are testifying. So, listen up!
Brave men I agree. Did you miss the part about the dumbasses actually getting into the Capitol? And I'll ask you once again, if they were a real threat and were on 'a mission" to overthrow our "freedom" why did they stop? It wasn't like they were outnumbered by LEO's. They didn't go with the intent that you and others want to believe as you clutch your pearls. Unless of course they are the dumbest asses on the planet. Even the Neanderthals in the middle east and Africa and Asia know what it takes for pull that off and these people didn't have a chance in hell of doing it. I think they actually surprised themselves when they actually got in. There was a lot of milling and gawking for a group of "insurrectionists"
Someone needs to ask the question of the insurrectionists what their purpose was that day. I think they were there to stop the certification of the election, but that's just an opinion
I can't and won't disagree. They just didn't think that through real well or they wouldn't have failed to do so. Which I am happy to say they did fail.
Don't you get dizzy spinning away like that?
You can't minimize what happened Jan 6th!
What did I spin there.....................
You are dismissive of what was a real threat!
One moron and his mom - said they did it at trumpturd's direction.
So agreeing with TG was being dismissive? Don't see it....................
So explain to use EXACTLY when and what Trump said for those morons to raid the capitol.
You do realize these idiots are trying to cover their asses, right?
Or-- maybe they called witness who tell the truth-- like the four D.C. police officers who were actually there-- and described what actually went down.
Did you watch that BTW?
Or are you by any chance one of those Blue Lives Don't Matter crowd? (Not that there's anything wrong with that).
Oh please, spare us the overwrought emotionalistic bullshit..
So what would you prefer then-- understated emotionalistic bullshit?
Well, I'm not saying that your comment sounds like its full of sound and fury . . . signifying...nothing!
However after reading that possibly sordid tail, it I do wonder-- did you have a chance to watch the hearings today?
I didn't have a chance to check-- but did Fox news actaully carry them-- or did they instead program some trivia today?
Their 'leader' was a no show so they didn't know what to do.
That isn't working Vic! We saw it with our own eyes!
Goebbels would be very proud of today's media and left. Keep repeating the same outrageous lie often enough and TDS sufferers will have no problem believing it.
As for seeing things with your own eyes. Where the hell have you guys been for the last five plus years of left wing "mostly peaceful" rioters damaging Federal property; and assaulting Federal officers? None of you gave a rat's ass about those things until Jan 6th. Then you freaked the fuck out. The Jan 6th rioters are being treated far more harshly than any of your left wing terrorists; most of whom are being released by the corrupt DOJ. You have no damn problem with that either.
Take your false morality and crocodile tears elsewhere. We have seen this song and dance 3 times already from Democrats. Come up with a new damn act for once at least!
That line of bs would make Tokyo Rose blush.
Whose foot is that?
Show me anywhere in my statement that I claimed that the Jan 6th riot didn't occur; or that Federal officers weren't injured and Federal property damaged?
Now justify the shear undeniable hypocrisy of Pelosi, Democrats, the left, media, and rampant TDS sufferers that didn't give a fuck about any of the Federal officers injured or Federal property damaged and destroyed during the last 5 plus years of leftist rioting. In fact many Democrats egged the rioters on!
If Democrats cared so damn much; why haven't they demanded their shill DOJ prosecute those leftist rioters to the full extent of the law; instead of releasing the majority of them w/o charges? Two tier justice systems are Third World despot bullshit; but the left seems fine with it so long as the it is the right that has to adhere to the law and not them.
This is nothing more than a Democrat show for rampant TDS sufferers. They tried this shit 3 times already; it is damn well time for a new act! They have nothing to hang their hats on for mid terms. Their policies are going to get them shit canned and they know it. The most they can hope for is to keep Jan 6th dominating the news cycle until after mid terms are over.
An injured police officer's foot from Jan 6th.
Thanks.
That looks pretty bad. They probably should have stitched it
Are you watching? Officers are laying it open.
No, I'm not
Then catch the highlights when you can. The testimony of officers injured is stunning. All of the fluffing off of how serious it really was is disgraceful. 180 officers were injured...
I probably will if I watch the evening news tonite
Rational human beings AREN'T being deceived that way.
You can't forget what never happened.
You're in denial
Yes, you are.
No matter how much you pound away with your talking points, the public has acute memory loss after 5 minutes. If that were not the case you would not be tripping over the latest dead horse in haste to kick it.
Hopefully!
(Although there are also several others they have on their side...especially how Trump his sycophants denied the virus at first!
Remember when Sean Hannity said this about the virus:
This is the Democrats latest hoax!
I see that once again you are resorting to the time-honoured derail technique of "Whattaboudism". Most people here have already figured that out (although there are still here that will fall for it and take those comments seriously...thereby ostensibly giving them some credibility...???)
BTW-- any comments about the horrendous violence during the Boer War?
How about the horrible atrocities the Japanese carried out in China?
Oh look-- another squirrel!!!
(/sarcasm)
You put WAAAAYYY too much stock in what those people were capable of that day. Had they tried what all on the left want to believe and even shown that they could do it, their blood would have stained those hallowed halls for a long time to come.
Have you figured out yet why they stopped? The knew it was an exercise in futility FFS. In another 15 minutes there would have been hellfire in the guise of the military and reserve military and police like that building has never and will never see.
Are you watching the hearing? You have it all wrong!
I was very busy so I didn't have to check-- but I wouldn't be surprised if Fox deliberately didn't cover the hearings at all!
(Or perhaps they showed the committee members comments-- but "inadvertantly" did not carry the actual testimony of the 4 D.C. police officers (who were actually there! during the insurrection!!).
Their feces and urine certainly stained those halls.
Says who? Were you there?
Discuss the hearing or please move along...
We are discussing the live Jan 6th Hearing.
... were you?
Were you?
Says who? Were you there?
Were you?
Because if you are as interested in the actual facts as you claim, here's the testimony of someone who was.
A brave member of the D.C. Police!
D.C. Police Officer Gonell Slams Trump's Comments: 'I'm Still Recovering From Those Hugs And Kisses'
I don't know the totality of "what people were capable of that day"!
But watching the testimony today (as I'm sure a well-informed person such as yourself did) of 4 D.C. Police Officers who were there and telling what they experienced ....I think its now obvious that "many people" are aware of what the insurrectionists actually did!
Rep Jeremy Raskin just said the rioters at the Capitol , aka Trump supporters, are "fascist traitors".
Indeed!
Well that settles it then. A guy who voted to overturn the 2016 election in Congress and lied about and exploited Officer Sicknick's death just oozes credibility.
How do you not roll your eyes at this?
I roll my eyes more and more at you as the days weeks and months pass by.
Why did Trump, on the afternoon of Jan 6th, after watching the riot on television for hours, tell his supporters to "remember this day forever."? When Trump said those words on twitter, he knew that his supporters had broke down doors and windows to illegally enter the Capitol Building, fought with police, carried at least one confederate flag into the building, and attempted to enter both the Senate itself, and the floor of the House of Representatives, and used an American flag to try and beat police officers. He knew all that and probably a lot more, as McCarthy had told him things were out of hand.
And yet Trump praised the rioters devotion to his cause and told them to remember the day forever. Sean, what the fuck is wrong with Donald Trump TO THIS DAY ?
Possibly because instead of speculating, he may have actually watched the hearing (that started today) and saw today's testimony...from four police officers who were actually there!
(Is that something you would roll your eyes at?)
What an exercise in ridiculous posturing...
The same people who've tried to overturn every recent Presidential election they've lost, claim elections are rigged or stolen, celebrated a months long orgy of violence against police officers and the federal government are now play acting at being offended that the other side finally acted like they've been doing all century.
Who falls for this?
"Who falls for this?"
All the lies you just told?
No one.
Are you saying those police officers are all lying?
Perhaps he didn't watch the hearing today and doesn't know what they actually said?
(Or perhaps he wasn't even aware that the hearings started today...with testimony from 4 police officer who were actually there?)
Or perhaps he's one of the new Republican "Blue Lives don't matter crowd"...although I find that to be doubtful!
When has anyone stormed the Capital to stop certification of an election before Jan 6, 2021? Specifics please. Enlighten us to it.
How soon they forget............
Quite a list in that article...........and that was just the beginning of June 2020..................
Were any of them a storming of the Capital to prevent the certification of an election? THAT is what this article is about.
What do all those riots have to do with what happened at the Capitol on Jan 6?
Jayzus! I was cursed out yesterday by one of your fellow travelers for deflecting from the topic
Thanks for displaying intellectual honesty /S.
All they have obviously is projection, deflection, and denial.
There is a squirrel among us..LOL
it's the standard but, but, but what about defense...
Sorry but I don't believe that I was addressing you or your friends with that post. And all it has to do with is the outrage at one "faction" who screwed up the Capitol building and grounds possibly with all that went on the previous summer that destroyed more properties, businesses, livelihoods, and lives than Jan. 6.
I don't condone what happened on that date any more than I condone what happened last summer. Only difference I can see is that the left thinks they can tie this on Trump. PERIOD.
And before you get all holier than thou, I ain't buying the insurrection narrative. They didn't want the certification, as you so aptly observed, granted. They were just too fucking stupid to know they couldn't and wouldn't be able to. They proved their lack of intelligence doing what they did. And now, some 500 or more are paying the price for being morons.
Just Jim's line of crap is plain old pathetic...
Men should be embarrassed selling manure.
We can tie this on The Turd Reich because he is the one who instigated and spurred on his insurrectionist mob for months, PERIOD!
140 police officers injured that day.
If these January 6th Deniers get any more squirrelly they must get a moose sidekick...
Might want to check that with jbb as she says 180.
Doesn't matter who you were addressing. I seem to get that a lot when I tell someone I wasn't talking to them. This is a public forum. If you put something out there expect it to be addressed by a variety of people that you "weren't addressing".
As for paragraphs 2 I agree to a point. I do think trmp had a hand in this. Unfortunately I can't prove it.
Paragraph 3 I completely agree except I do believe it was a poorly planned, not well thought out insurrection
It was 180 injured including the militarily...
Would it be okay if only 140 were injured?
I would hope even these fools would know for a real insurrection/coup to take place, you're gonna need the military. I guess they thought going all Rambo was enough???
I refuse to believe that they are that stupid. Just moronic.
Of course they did! Look at the way some of them were dressed. Like they thought they were going to war or something. I'm just very glad nobody had any firearms
JBB is male
Is attempted murder forgiven because it fails?
Liz Cheney just rubbed her balls on Jim's BS...
Reading the articles and comments put forward, easy mistake. Apologies.
Apologize to JBB
Why the belated faux support of LE?
Comment directed to someone else.
oops
In response to your question:
It's one form of derail...specifically, its the from of derail called "Whattaboutism".
When people start using it, its a clear sign that they've just realized that they are losing the argument.
I do think trmp had a hand in this. Unfortunately I can't prove it.
In the unlikely event that someone would want to prove it-- a good starting point would be to watch the video of Trump addressing the crowd that day...right before they starting walking to the Capitol.
As mentioned here before-- do not post actual facts.
It upsets people when they try to derail a conversation...actual facts cause many of them to become confused and angry!
(Be kind to the moderators here...they are dedicated but overworked-- they don't need more angry fools to deal with!)
I don't know about a whole moose, but there was part of one contaminating the place earlier.
I forgot I wasn't talking to JJ.
That won't happen again!
The Turd Reich said he'd waddle along with them to the Capitol yet some tell me that's just a figure of speech.
Hillary Clinton conceded 11/09/2016.
John Kerry conceded 11/03/2004
Even when the number of votes separating the two candidates were a mere 537 Al Gore conceded 12/13/2000.
Donald Trump, conceited.
That would be Republicans. Democrats merely claimed in the 2016 election that Trump won with the aid of the Russian government which is an irrefutable fact. Few were making any sort of claim that the election was "rigged" or "stolen", they just pointed out that the millions Russia spent on fake ads did have an effect on the gullible who make up the majority of Trumps base.
Total bullshit. Democrats were not celebrating the riots, they were disgusted by them and regularly condemned the 8% of protests that were turned violent, often by right wing infiltrators and instigators like the Boogaloo bois who shot cops, planned bombings and tried to create chaos wherever they went. And none of those riots last year were an attempt to stop our congress from doing its constitutional duty to certify the results of an election which was the clear intent of the right wing bigots and useless scum bag pieces of shit that attacked our capital on January 6th.
There is no "play acting" going on, our halls of congress were threatened, our capital police officers were beaten with flag poles, pepper sprayed, punched, kicked and tazed by vile disgusting right wing extremists who were attempting to overturn the results of an election and stop the constitutional duty of our legislators. Anyone who loves the constitution and America knows this was a very serious crime and should warrant the maximum punishment under the law. Only those sniveling traitors and deplorable bigots who beg for scraps from Putin's table and metaphorically hump the fat leg of the wannabe fascist despot Donald would try to downplay their attempted insurrection.
Your attempt at equivalence is like comparing apples and orangutans, but I guess that's all some can muster when they don't have facts, truth or reality backing up their baseless claims.
illary Clinton conceded 11/09/2016.
Lol. As if that was the issue I was talking about... You also missed Clinton still calling Trump's Win illegitimate.
But thanks for providing the classically dishonest response, where you ignore everything except the .isolated facts that you think help your case. Just pretend the riots, the conspiracy theories, the lawsuits, the votes to overturn the elections, the claims of stolen elections never happened.
ats merely claimed in the 2016 election that Trump won with the aid of the Russian government
How dishonest can you get? Were you not alive in 2000, 2004 or for the Georgia gubernatorial elections? For fucks sake, you still have people on this very board claiming Trump stole the election by stealing states from Clinton. Not to mention the MAJORTIY of Democratic voters who believe Russia manipulated vote counts.
You are making my case for me. The same people who engaged, and continue to engage in these shenanigans now lie about them having occurred and still expect to be taken seriously. Why is it so hard for you to admit what any sentient adult remembers, that Democrats have engaged in numerous conspiracies about elections and tried to overturn elections and supported rioters that injured in hundreds of police?
emocrats were not celebrating the riots, they were disgusted by them and regularly condemned the 8% of protests that were turned violent
Guess you forgot KAmela Harris and many others democrats worked to get the terrorists out of jail. Another fact democrats now want to pretend never happened.
And the8% thing is comedy exemplified. Less than 2% of the election protests turned violent.
here is no "play acting" going on
So you are the person who thinks people like Raskin and Schiff have principles. I knew someone, somewhere, must fall for what is clearly opportunistic Bs.
You claimed that Democrats have "tried to overturn every recent Presidential election they've lost". The loser who has already conceded and allowed the peaceful transfer of power to happen saying a year later than their opponents win was "illegitimate" after overwhelming evidence comes out of illicit foreign government meddling in our election is a far cry from trying "to overturn" an election. Riling up supporters and telling them to march down to the Capital where the election is about to be certified telling them "We will stop the steal" and "You don't concede when there's theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore." and "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore", then watching those people at the rally head to the Capital and attack it, beating police, breaking windows and doors, shouting "Hang Mike Pence" while searching for members of congress with zip ties in hand, spraying officers with bear pepper spray, using tazers on police, breaking into legislators offices and looting and vandalizing a government building all while they are simply trying to do their constitutional duty of certifying election results, that is attempting to overturn an election.
I've been completely honest, you're simply refusing to accept actual facts.
I was there and voted in all those elections and nothing like January 6th or like dishonest Donald's refusal to concede ever happened. Only someone completely detached from reality would believe otherwise.
That is not something I hear here or anywhere. I hear lots of facts about Russian meddling which did happen, it's established fact, but I hear nothing about supposed "stolen States".
Well that's just utter hogwash. While Russia manipulated gullible conservatives and independents who bought into their lies about Hillary Clinton, there has never been any evidence that Russia actually manipulated vote counts and thus it's not an accusation I hear from anyone on the left since we live in reality, not fantasy conservative La La land where every ones heads are shoved up their asses.
Not even remotely.
Pure hyperbolic opinion without a shred of actual evidence.
Perhaps you meant 'senile adult' as I don't see many 'sentient adults' on the right. I'm stating facts with verifiable dates to back them up, those were factually when the Democrats who lost elections conceded and allowed a peaceful transfer of power without trying to rile up any crowds of their supporters to try and "stop the steal" as Trump has done. Your claim of equivalence is total horse shit and you know it.
There have been an occasional left wing nutter like Maxine Waters who has speculated about some conspiracy theory from the right in regards to election results, they are not in the mainstream, they do not represent the majority of Democrats, progressives or liberals. And they are definitely not the candidate in question continuing a fantasy lie about winning an election they lost in a fucking landslide and refusing to concede literally 9 months after the election and 7 months since his opponents has already been inaugurated.
They certainly have more spine and morals than almost any Republican in the congress or Senate.
They did.. At the very least, I'd hope you know "conceding" has no legal status or meaning, and that the Democratic Party consists of more than the Presidential nominee, right? Certainly, the concessions didn't stop the Democrats from claiming the elections were stolen, spreading conspiracies, fighting in Court, trying to stop Congress from certifying the vote etc...
They haven't lost an election honorably since 1988.
ou're simply refusing to accept actual facts.
[Deleted] I've accepted every fact and based my argument on them. You continue to ignore everything but two statements. [Deleted.]
This isn't debatable, which is why you aren't making much of an attempt to. The "accepted facts" are the Democrats have challenged every recent Presidential election they've lost. They've claimed fraud and vote tampering, baselessly. They spent years lying about the President being a traitor and conspiring with a foreign power to steal an election. None of this deniable, and it's shocking any adult would try and pretend it didn't happen.
Every time they've lost, Democrats have attacked the integrity of the election and tried to undermine the legitimacy of the Republican who won. Those are facts.
Pure hyperbolic opinion without a shred of actual evidence.
[Deleted] Rankin voted to not certify the 2016 election. That's a fact.And the same people who shill for liars like Rankin (lying about Sicknick's death was really pathetic) claim any Republican who opposed election certification is a traitor trying to overthrow the Republic. I guess they aren't very smart, otherwise the cognitive dissonance would kill them. S
they are not in the mainstream, they do not represent the majority of Democrats, progressives or liberals.
That's a lie. A majority of Democrats, as I said, believed Russia tampered with votes in 2016.
nly have more spine and morals than almost any Republican in the congress or Senate.
I hope you get paid to shill for Adam Schiff.. Otherwise...oof.
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It certainly does have a 'meaning', it's one candidate admitting to the world and their opponent that they lost and their opponent won. It's a tradition in elections that has been going on for hundreds of years.
" The first time in the United States that a candidate lost a presidential election and privately conceded was Federalist John Adams to Democratic-Republican Thomas Jefferson in 1800. In 1860, Democrat Stephen Douglas conceded to Republican Abraham Lincoln with the words: 'Partisan feeling must yield to patriotism."
" A concession, usually in the form of a concession speech, is considered a matter of courtesy and a gracious celebration of American democracy that helps with the peaceful transition of power"
"Donald Trump has been an exception to the tradition of concession in American presidential politics, refusing to concede defeat and declaring victory for himself despite having lost both the popular vote and electoral college in the 2020 United States presidential election ."
So for 220 years every Presidential candidate who lost the election has conceded when it was clear they lost the election, all but the Tangerine Mussolini.
All legal challenges actually stopped after the candidates conceded so claiming "fighting in court" is an outright blatant lie and the claim of "trying to stop congress from certifying the vote" can only be claimed because a few nutjobs like Maxine Waters who had virtually ZERO support from the rest of her own party stood up and protested the certification but had exactly ZERO ability to stop anything. Saying "This is unfair" is a lot different then sending thousands of your goon squad supporters to attack the capital and actually interrupt the constitutionally mandated certification process.
Just admit it, nothing like this has ever been seen in America before. People can claim equivalence all they like but it simply makes them look like uneducated morons with chronic traumatic encephalopathy living in a fantasy reality of their own making.
That's just more pure bullshit. Did you invest heavily in products made of bullshit? Because you seem to have an endless supply.
Total bullshit. Kerry conceded the morning after the election and did not challenge the election results. Gore challenged the results because of how close it was in Florida and was just 537 votes apart and there were obvious issues with the ballots. But the day after the Supreme Court ruled on the case he conceded and no further challenges were made. After Hillary conceded just a week after the election there were no further legal challenges made.
I found this interesting, in the week after the 2016 election the DNC did challenge the election results claiming voter intimidation but it was clear that Republicans had already believed they were going to lose as Roger Stone had already created a group called "Stop the Steal".
" The Democrats biggest victory in the current round of cases came Friday, when a federal judge in Ohio granted an injunction against Trump's campaign, as well as Trump backer Roger Stone and a related group called 'Stop the Steal "
That was from 11/7/2016 just 2 days before Hillary conceded. Pretty funny how they had to wait four years before pulling out that lie again.
Oh, and if that's not enough irony for you, guess what? Republicans have been challenging elections every time they have lost as well. Republican hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.
McCain claimed Democrats were “now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.” and said Senator Barack Obama, is trying to “steal” the election through groups like Acorn.
After Romney loss: "Sen. Ted Cruz is among a group of GOP senators that said they will oppose the certification of Electoral College votes on Wednesday during a joint session of Congress that is usually procedural."
In a statement expressing opposition to Trump’s efforts to block President-elect Joe Biden’s 2020 victory, though, a group of House Republicans did exactly that. Reps. Thomas Massie (Ky.), Kelly Armstrong (N.D.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Mike Gallagher (Wis.), Nancy Mace (S.C.), Tom McClintock (Calif.) and Chip Roy (Tex.) released a statement that included this paragraph:
There was a single online poll done in 2018 by a British online pollster (online polls are historically inaccurate for obvious reasons) that claimed 67% of Democrats polled thought it was either "probably true" or "definitely true" that Russia tampered with vote tallies. Only 28% said they believed it was "definitely true". When compared to the 56% of Republicans believe the insane QAnon conspiracy theories are "mostly or partly true" it shows that there are even dumber dip-shits in the Republican party who believe really stupid shit.
I'd much rather be defending hard working patriotic congressmen and women than have my head shoved up Trumps ass while giving Putin a hand job like many Trump sycophants.
It has no legal meaning which is why AL Gore could offer one and it retract it at will.
But again, the dishonest nature of your argument is clear. You wield the meaningless concession by the candidate and pretend the actions by rest of the party and it's allies didn't occur. Be honest. You aren't fooling anyone since we all remember the claims that votes were stolen, the attempts to stop certification in Congress, trying to convince EC voters to betray their state's voters and vote for the losing Democrat, holding Congressional investigations to question the legitimacy of a state's vote count, the lawsuits, and doing everything possible to undermine the legitimacy of the duly elected Republican President.
To deny those things is to deny reality.
ll legal challenges actually stopped after the candidates concede
No they don't. Where do you get this stuff? There was a lawsuit pending in Ohio as late as 2006 for instance.
id you invest heavily in products made of bullshit? Because you seem to have an endless supply.
Now that's some projection. Granted, since you can't point to a Presidential election the Democrats lost honorably since 1988, deflection and personal attacks are your only option, if you can't be honest.
cCain claimed Democrats were
Now you really are getting dishonest. Trying to pass off what McCain said before the election instead of his actual relevant actions, you know, after he lost. By all means, provide any evidence of McCain calling Obama illigirmate or claiming the election was stolen.
We both know you won't do that, don't we?
"Sen. Ted Cruz is among a group of GOP senators that said they will oppose
And you fail, yet again, because Cruz did not oppose certification.
atement expressing opposition to Trump’s efforts to block President-elect Joe Biden’s 2020 victor
Yes, the Republicans did what the Democrats did the last three times they lost and objected to certification. Do you believe that's some gotcha? I said the Republicans did that.
I have no problem admitting reality. You should try.
nline poll done in 2018 by a British online pollste
Yougov is ranked a B+ pollster(the same as Gallup) by 538 with a slight democratic bias. You are barking up the wrong tree.
rather be defending hard working patriotic congressmen
I suppose if you support Putin, Schiff would be considered very patriotic. He did yeoman's work for the Russians lying about FISA, shilling for the Russian hoax Steele dossier etc...
Agreed, DP hit it out of the park, as usual.
Yet they persist . . . .
Who do you get paid to shill for?
Again
I remember that both parties have used those tactics after their candidate loses, this is nothing exclusive to the DNC. All you're doing is pointing out the cutthroat world of American politics. Trying to claim it's just Democrats is not only a blatant lie, it makes the one making the claim look like a total dumb shit in denial.
Was the Kerry campaign behind it and would Kerry have become President if they had won that case? Of course not. In America you can sue anyone for anything, you can legally challenge anything if you have enough money to hire an attorney. Both parties have been using the court systems to battle out their perceived injustices since our countries founding.
As both parties have used the legal system to fight their perceived injustices, who the fuck are you to define what is "honorable" or not? Your claim is pure hyperbolic opinion with no actual facts to back it up as you've made abundantly clear since your first post.
Finally, an admission of truth. And if you're thinking Republicans were just innocent babies and at the mercy of Democrats political shenanigan's until they finally decided to return evil for evil, then you're more delusional than even I can imagine. The GOP and the DNC have been slugging it out for over a century, and both parties have changed much over that time. While once Republicans embraced liberals, progressives, emancipation, diversity and were wanting to change the status quo of the white Christian patriarchy that conservative Democrats were desperately clinging to with their teeth and nails, now the Democratic party embraces liberals, progressives, diversity and want to change the status quo of the white Christian patriarchy that conservative Republicans are clinging to with their teeth and nails.
The reality you cling to is one where conservative Republicans who fly confederate flags, defend confederate monuments, is the least diverse political party, has attracted the vast majority of white supremacist's and neo-Nazi groups, fought to dismantle the voting rights act and is desperate to maintain the status quo of the old white Christian patriarchy is somehow the party of equality. Believing conservative Republicans are the party of equality and justice is beyond delusional, it's fucking insane.
Only conservative Republicans appear to support Putin, 40% believed Putin's Russia is their friend and ally.
"40% of Republicans say Russia is an ally or friendly, up from 22% in 2014"
It really is sad how fucking deluded some conservative Republicans have become. If that's truly what you believe then there really is nothing more to discuss, next you'll be claiming other bullshit conspiracy theories like the Qanon fantasy of Democrats eating babies, and who knows, maybe you'll start trying to claim the world is actually flat.
"A peaceful transfer of power did not happen"...
In spite of a few hundred protestors, a peaceful transfer of power did happen.
Except, it was not peaceful, 180 police officers were injured, and there were thousands of insurgents...
If it was only 'a few hundred' trumpturd mob/insurrectionists - how is it that over 600 have been charged and there are still more to go?
For goodness sake don't use actual facts, that will really fuck up their heads.
wait until a data base of the insurrectionist's info gets published. bwah ha ha ha...
Yes, were I come from it is a big insult to lie to people's faces especially when everyone involved knows they are straight up lying...
I come from America. Americans hate liars!
Of 600 arrested ZERO were ANTIFA or BLM...
In fact, 100% of them are certified Trumpers!
540 but who's counting. But you are correct in your "more to go" as they say 300 have yet to be identified.
Please keep facts in view.
Did you miss Greg's comment number eight?
No didn't miss it. Why do you ask?
If you knew then why the childish quibbling?
Grow up and comment honestly or move on.
I resent that you habitually troll my articles...
I don't troll any articles. I look at the subject matter and comment accordingly due to my POV.
So anyone who doesn't see eye to eye is "trolling your articles"? If you weren't quite so emotional, perhaps you could see that I try to discuss first and then, when shit gets thrown my way, I throw shit back. Sorry. Accept your part in this too. Thanks.
For the millionth time, show your proof of this.
You never have before, so I'm not expecting anything different.
You should have used this advice for comment 8.2.4
It is a fact that none were BLM or ANTIFA...
The fact is you cannot prove that fact wrong.
Your side, the gop, can't demand boo squat!
I never made that accusation.
YOU, on the other hand, DID make the accusation that all of the rioters were Trump supporters.
My advice to you is to just admit you fucked up and made a bullshit statement
You would feel better by doing so.
Denial. Not just a river in Egypt.
No, but you can see pyramids to the East...
That there is what injured Capitol Police Officer Fanone called "Disgraceful Indifference".
All of the domestic terrorists were indeed supporters of the Turd Reich.
My advice to you is to just admit you fucked up and made a bullshit statement
You would feel better by doing so.
So you also have no proof, just bullshit feelings.
Why are we ALL not surprised?
I will no longer respond to 'bugs'
' the sane one'
That's great for me, but I'll believe it when I see it.
I think what you meant to say, at least if you're trying to speak truth, was:
"In spite of several thousand right wing insurgents, a transfer of power did happen."
For your personal edification you must read this.
And how about the cops who suffered injuries..many severe..that day?
(Or did you now watch the officers who testified at the hearing today?)
Trump said there were over a million.
psssttttt.....the quartering usually caused the death. When they remove your entrails and show them to you, you don't live much longer after that. But I think they castrate you before they disembowel you
If Roman coups failed they fell on their swords.
Or, drank poison, if they didn't want their family to all be killed and their property forfeited...
Shhh... don't give the insurrectionists any ideas!!!
(Those who weren't apprehended yet may try something similar again...yes, some of them are that crazy!!!)
Back in his day they had duels and shot each other on a regular basis over the slightest question of honor.
If you really want to do things like they did back in his day.
ok then, the Trump family has nothing to worry about.
Actually, there's another, more valid reason to oppose the commission. You probably know this but your desire for emotional satisfaction doesn't allow you to admit it, even to yourself. That other reason is that...
B. This is political theater in pursuit of a political goal, not an actual commission to find the truth. This is easily proven by knowing the prosecution is also the presiding judge. The same people who have been demanding Trump's head on a pole are the ones conducting the "investigation" in order to arrive at the "truth" they've already predetermined. Quite notably, anyone not with that program was not allowed on the commission.
But the goal isn't Trump. Some of you may believe that it is, but it's not. The goal is much bigger than that. The goal is to fix in the minds of the American people that Trump represents the entirety of the right. The more people they can get to think in that way the easier it will be to enact their own policies. Although an oversimplification, it's essentially the idea that, because Trump is a bad man, therefore, our policies are good. Any critical thinker knows one doesn't follow from the other but that's not really relevant to the plan and they work hard to keep people from looking to hard at it. That's why they appeal to emotion so much. They want you to emotionally attach anything the right tries to do with Trump, whether it's true or logical to do so, so that Dems can more easily move the country in their desired direction.
This should scare the crap out of any person who can think rationally. This is exactly the way the Communists conducted business. Remember the story of the USSR's Kulaks? You can read about it here but, basically, due to Communist mismanagement, people were starving. Kulaks, who were farmers were made the scapegoats. Persecution began and many were killed or put in gulags, their farms confiscated and turned into collectives. The result was greater starvation because the people who knew how to farm were all gone and unskilled labor was trying to grow all the food.
Point is, through propaganda and political theater directed against the Kulaks they caused the Soviet people to act against their own interests, causing even more suffering. At least, for the majority not part of the elite.
For the record, I don't think it would be any different if it were the Republicans who were running the commission. That, too, would just be political theater, although I don't think it would be as egregiously so. Regardless, it wouldn't arrive at the truth, either. It would just serve to appeal to those who already believed they knew the truth. If Justice is actually what anyone wants (which we don't have a hope in hell of achieving because of the politics) then if Trump did break a law, try him in an actual court of law. This Commission is just a court of public opinion that won't change anyone's already held opinions on the matter.
Good points.
There is however one important announcement that came out of today's TV drama:
"The panel plans to go beyond security failures to look at communications between Congress and the executive branch and examine the role of individuals in the events. Mr. Thompson has said the panel won’t hesitate to subpoena members of Congress or Mr. Trump and will try to enforce the subpoenas in court if necessary."
Can you imagine the people they would subpoena? They will seek to embarass the former President and his family and anyone who worked for him plus their percieved enemies across the aisle. Get ready for some of the most vicious tactics since the Kavanaugh hearings. They fear another Trump candidacy. This was all planned out and it will be another national disgrace.
The old adage is not to make assumptions, I would recommend that you follow that adage since making any assumption about me makes you look like an ass.
If looking and sounding like an ass is what you desire, please continue it's good entertainment for NT.
So nothing to see or learn here, right ?
Yes, they will. Regardless how the leftists start off they ultimately end up like this, meaning public spectacles like this one where "enemies of the state" are tried in the court of public opinion. And people swallow it up, never noticing they've lost everything until after it's too late. Of course, the right has had it's moments as well. McCarthyism is a good example but, historically, it's more of a left thing. Manipulating the masses rather than adhere to something established, like the Constitution.
Insanity has free rein on the political right in America these days.
Independents and moderates, answer the call from your country and speak up ! We are in hand to hand combat for the future of our nation.
Liz Cheney and Adam Schiff both said that high ups in the Trump administration including Generalissimo Blowhard himself , and also GOP congressional figures, could be called to explain themselves.
Let's go ! Enough with this right wing Jan 6th revisionist bullshit.
Are the mob members that entered the Senate and rifled through the papers on senators desks trying to find something to "use against" individual senators "enemies of the state", or did they simply get lost while looking for a public bathroom during their "tour" of the Capitol Building ?
You used a lot of words to basically say no one really knows what happened and we probably wont know so leave Trump alone you communist scum.
Been there heard that.
The most amazing thing about all this is, on Jan 6th and 7th, while the event was so fresh in everyones mind, almost every single Republican and conservative who spoke out on the matter condemned Donald Trump for inciting the riot with his insane "stop the steal" rhetoric. In the recent days and weeks though, we have been given the conservative revisionist version. Its all Pelosi's fault. Trump had nothing to do with it, and the whole capitol riot was a "no harm , no foul" type of thing anyway. The cops got hurt because there wasnt enough of them. Ashli Babbitt was an innocent concerned citizen. The "protest" was "peaceful". How come NO ONE thought it was peaceful while they were watching it on live tv ?
I say fuck all the "conservatives" trying to bamboozle their way through this thing.
And put Trump on the witness stand so we can watch him perjure himself 50 times.
How did you find that out?
Your psychic powers never cease to amaze!
How did you develop them?
If they were involved in the insurrection, should they NOT be investigated and punished? "Law and Order!!!", right?
Well, in my opinion, they were basically idiots making crap up as they went along. The fact that they were even there tells you how clueless they were.
Easy way to avoid that is to not break the law, or, encourage your supporters to try to overthrow the US Government. Seems pretty simple to me. Same with Ashli Babbitt.. Had she not been there taking part, she would be alive today. Yes? Yes.
I said nothing like that. If you want to condense what I said into one sentence it would be this. The purpose of this commission is not to get to the truth, it is to make what happened look as bad as they can possibly make it look for the purpose of weakening their opposition thereby making it easier to advance their own agenda. What you are doing is ignoring that and introducing your straw man so you can justify the rest of what you say, since you apparently can't or won't address what I actually said.
Actually, most of it did look fairly peaceful while we were watching it live. That day, most of what we saw was people mostly walking around. Vids showing the more sensational violence didn't come out until the next day and continued to be revealed over time. As for the rest of what you say here I haven't written a word about the Republicans being the angels in all this. They're going to put their spin on it as much as they can but, since they aren't in charge they probably won't be able to control it as well.
I'll take that to mean those who don't see it the way you do. Not sure what you expect me to do with that or if you think I didn't already know that. You want blood and you're not going to let a thing like truth get in the way of it.
Yes. I'm sure he will, since the standard for that perjury would be not pleading guilty to anything the Commission accuses him of. Please note that isn't saying the same thing as I think he isn't guilty of things. I think he is, although not necessarily in the legal sense. I'm simply continuing with my belief that this commission isn't interested in the truth. It is interested in making Trump and his supporters look like cannibalistic Aztecs sacrificing orphans on the alter of White Nationalism or some such thing. They are doing so purely for political purposes. But you believe what you want.
Because, I think when we are speaking of politics, we all know on some level the side we support, to whatever degree, puts out bullshit. Take Tucker Carlson, for instance. He brings up points I agree with, yet he finds it necessary to sometimes characterize it in ways that turns it into bullshit. Just like Chris Hays does. They all do it. They bring up a point about a need or a problem our country has but rather than discuss it they turn to talking about how rotten the other side is. That's because that's what politics is today. Not solving problems but to demonize the other side as hard as you can so your policies are enacted and not theirs.
That's why I said I think you probably know this. There are a few people here who I think couldn't find their face if they looked into a mirror. I don't think you're one of them. Or do you actually believe everything the Dems are putting out about all this? All the talking heads? All of it?
Whether you want to admit it right now or not, you have been a Trump supporter on this forum. I remember a post you made where you implied the Democrats are extreme leftists who would destroy the priceless traditions and God directed morals of our society. Trump was the odorous but necessary means of preventing the left from succeeding.
Is the country remotely better off today then on the day Trump took office in 2017? Did he leave unquestionable success, or did he drag the country into constant and growing chaos? He has two claims to achievement, one that he demanded and got from a republican Congress a massive tax cut that mainly went to the wealthy, and he was able to , by the twists of chance and fate, to place three conservative judges on the Supreme Court. This was done by no particular skill or knowledge of Trump, but rather by openings on the court beyond his control.
What we got from Trump is daily chaos, which , let's face it, he loves and encourages.
Our country is in a degraded condition, largely because of Trumpism. We need to put an end to it as soon as possible.
I don't know what you were watching but when the news broke I saw people climbing walls, pushing cops, and trying to break into the building. That's not peaceful
They must have been watching the Fux 'news' version of the events that day.
Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham mocked the harrowing police testimony about the Capitol riot with snickers and a 'best political performance' trophy
The Fox News hosts mocked the testimony at Tuesday's January 6 committee hearing.
Carlson snickered at one officer's testimony, while Ingraham gave out "awards" for "performances."
Both hosts selectively used footage to exclude testimony about racial abuse and violence.
What assholes. People got hurt that day.
Led on by the most clueless steaming pile of shit that we've ever known.
Thats one of the problems, millions of wannabes admire those two assholes.
Okay, but what I said was, "mostly peaceful". Yes, we saw people climbing walls, pushing cops and trying to break into buildings the day we were watching it live, but most of the people were just milling around in a more or less Brownian motion. Doesn't this sound familiar? Like quite a lot of riots from the left over the last couple of years? Why would it be wrong to apply a standard that the left has been applying for all that time?
Because of what we learned later? Do you think that makes a difference from all the riots that came from the left? Think back to some of the riots we've seen in the news. BLM, Antifa and whoever else were throwing everything from frozen water bottles, fireworks and Molotov cocktails. Cops got hurt in those as well. Further, it kept happening night after night. Now, imagine if the rioter's numbers were as great in one of those riots as on Jan 6th against an unprepared police force. Do you think for one second it would have not been the same or worse?
Yet the Dems call this "treason", "insurrection" and a "coup" not because of what happened but because of where it happened. But that doesn't actually work because Federal court houses are an extension of the nation's Capitol, as is the authority of every state. If we're going to use the place as the reason, then all riots are treason, insurrection and coups since the basis of all law and authority stems from the Capitol.
But the Dems and this Commission are trying to make it seem as if there's an actual difference when there isn't. It's no less or no more repugnant than all the other riots that have happened. To claim that it isn't as bad is to say that, it was just shop owners, local police, home owners and average people who suffered and/or were at risk so they don't count. Sorry. Not going to buy it
Um, what does this inaccurate description of my past comments have to do with the topic of the Commission? Is this just an attempt to change the subject to your obsession?
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Not at all. 60 plus cases and the Republicans are 0 for 60 plus. Keep on with the BS it makes them look more ignorant with each case they lose.
Then you should have zero problems with a full audit. Why are there thousands of lawyers dispatched by the Justice department to stop any attempt at doing, even random, audits?
Because maybe they know the truth?
Thousands of DOJ lawyers are trying to stop any attempts, but aren't there 5 sham audits going on right now?
Naw, it's the ''Deep State'' that's behind all this, just love those conspiracy theories. LMAO
Maybe they are conspiracy theories, who knows?
If they turn out to be nothing, then you will have reason to ridicule Republicans.
By you calling the audits going on "shams", you are acknowledging you really don't want to know the truth.
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Making assumptions isn't a good look for you. After 60 plus audits and law cases, the truth is known, but if you choose to have more audits go for it maybe they'll find the ''deep state''.
I know where it is and I'm tellin' everyone. It's half a moon away from its twin half a moon.
I'm sitting back and waiting for the results, much unlike the left that had the desired leftist results given to them before the investigation even began.
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And he forgot to mention that people should be aware that getting the Covid vaccine is merely a ploy by the so-called "Deep State" to control you!
Yes-- what the government is doing is planting tiny electrodes in you with the vaccination needle-- so they can use those electrodes to control you!
Funny how I, as someone who has been vaccinated since January, never said that.
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I do believe who I converse with is my choice. I recommend that you talk to yourself ... let us know if you need any props: a mirror and a can of Spam should do.
Again....if you want to have a conversation that makes zero sense.....
funny how some people can whine so loud out of one side of their face about the bias of a congressional proceeding in which those same people chose not to participate. while at the same time from the other side of their face, they defend the AZ audit done by actual conspiracy theorists, rubber stamped by trumpster in-state stooges, and financed by dark money. uh-huh...
I expect this bullshit audit fire to burn in AZ until they can get other states on board. they gotta keep gramps and granny sending in their money to save us all from the socialist commie leftists. didn't AZ do 2 or 3 recounts last november within a few days after each demand? how long have the cyber ninjas been counting now? long enough for multiple internal scandals to start taking a toll.
In April of this year, former GOP AZ Secretary of State Ken Bennett said
Once a birther, Bennett has now changed his tune and apparent told AP investigators or journalists that Cyber Ninjas isn't what they were touted to be and released data indicating that the Maricopa County votes tally's will be remarkably close to the official ballot counts indicating no fraud, no steal, no big lie.
As a result the GOP Senate President barred Bennett from the audit building.
Monday Bennett threatened to quit.
Don't know why you thought you had to post that. I never said I believed there was cheating, I simply said that if leftists had nothing to fear from audits, then why are they spending millions to stop them.
If you had read, you would have seen where I said that if no cheating was found anywhere, then leftists have a compelling case to ridicule Republicans for their efforts.
Why do you think I replied to you?
Because it's better to be informed and up to date.
Do you have links verifying this millions?
I think we can prove the amount of tax payer money being wasted in AZ in a lost cause.
I also read where you claimed thousands of DOJ lawyers have been dispatched to stop election audits.
Where's the link for that conspiracy theory?
I sense that you have a problem writing a sentence that doesn't include the word "leftists".
Why do you think these imaginary leftists are the only people who will be ridiculing the Republicans?
Now I read there is still a lawsuit to force the turn over of all the servers.
Government workers are pissed as it would give them all the information from the police departments and other agencies. Not to mention having to replace all of them.
If I was a taxpayer in that state, I would be getting pissed at the cost these fraudsters are raking up and they are on the hook for.
And Mr. Trump's PAC collected $75 mllion specifically to fund these audits but so far has used the money solely for the former PotUS's expenses.
Go figure.
How many will it take before they finally say, "Well, shit, looks like trump actually lost!". Answer? It doesn't matter, they are immune to proof or facts. Now Arizona's tax payers have to pay for all new voting machines because they have been corrupted in the fraudit process, (which has accomplished nothing).
It's a right wing pipe dream. Even if Arizona was flipped, they would have to flip at least 3 more to even get trump close to 270. It's not just futile, it's madness.
Well, no surprise there!
Don't know why you thought you had to post that. I never said I believed there was cheating, I simply said that if leftists had nothing to fear from audits, then why are they spending millions to stop them.
If you had read, you would have seen where I said that if no cheating was found anywhere, then leftists have a compelling case to ridicule Republicans for their efforts.
Why are you being so defensive?
LOL!
We know the truth, it's up to individuals to accept it. Even trumps own admin said it was the most secure election in history.
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again , but expecting different results.”
--- Albert Einstein.
Well, because of this....
10.2.12 Hallux replied to bugsy @ 10.2.9 13 hours ago
Or did somebody hack your account?
And this means what?
The new Mantra of the left.
Please don't hold your breath while waiting for bugs to provide anything to back up his claims.
He'll just probably say, I'm right, you're wrong.
The problem for you and your leftist [removed] loon friends is that I made no claims. It is your friends that made the claims, but when challenged to provide backup, in typical [removed] leftist fashion, they try and turn it around to make it look like the sane one made the claim.
Now, if you can't back up anything your friends claimed, then go away.
By you saying we need to audit everything you are acknowledging you dont accept the truth.
Lets audit only the Republican counties in all the states Trump won ! That will be fun.
OK, I'm all for that. Maybe that will make the leftists that challenged the 2016 election feel a little better.
BINGO Kavika and that's what I've been saying all along.
If they're against it, THEY'RE COMPLICIT.
For people that think this is nothing but 'theatre', they sure as hell are bitching and moaning a lot about it...
They're pining for a Benghazi and the Kangaroos Redux.
There is a Washington Post article called Pelosi Did This.
It was spot on about the bullshit being served by some of the right wing.
I was going to seed it but behind a paywall.
Republicans care more about intern blow jobs than American lives.
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I've seen better acting at a grade school play.
girlfriend in the lead role?
Acting would imply that they were not there and, "pretending", they were. Are you denying that these cops were actually there? I am just trying to understand your claim that there are, "acting".
It's not a hard concept to grasp?
Acting: he art or occupation of performing in plays, movies, or television productions.
Give the poor officers a break; they actually thought they were making a difference- instead of being foils in the Democrat side show to whip their base into a frenzy.
Of course none of the testimony answered the real questions of the investigation. Who knew what beforehand? How did the chain of command break down so that the information the FBI had never reached those that needed it? How were officers and resources deployed before the riot? Were they deployed correctly; and if so was there a better way to deploy them? Why did it take so long for help to be dispatched? (Nancy Pelosi will never allow that question to be asked- as she is directly culpable.) What can be done to streamline the process? Lastly how do they ensure it never happens again?
So far the Democrats have failed utterly; outside of proving their hypocrisy regarding caring about officers. For the last 5 plus years officers were worthless POS that Democrats wanted to get rid of. Now that they are useful political tools as of Jan 6th; they are back to being heroes again.
I am even more disgusted with the two blubbering Republican members of the commission. The officers think they are making a difference and can be excused for be used as Democrat shills; but the two Republican morons should know the political game by now. Their TDS must truly be blinding for them to sacrifice their political careers just to try and get Trump one last damn time.
I have a question - why did Donald Trump advertise for tens of thousands of Americans to come to Washington DC on Jan 6 to "stop the steal" ?
They have to call him to testify to learn his motive.
That ugly and untrue sentiment is being ridiculed!
Across the board, Americans find that despicable...
Retired US general says the Trump White House 'was complicit in the planning' of the January 6 insurrection
Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré told MSNBC the Trump White House was complicit in planning the Capitol riot.
Honoré also suggested Trump's White House was behind the delayed federal response that day.
Honoré conducted a review of the US Capitol's security after the attack.
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Retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, who was tasked by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with conducting a review of the US Capitol's security after January 6, on Tuesday said President Donald Trump's White House was complicit in orchestrating the insurrection.
"It's my personal opinion that the executive branch was complicit in the planning and the delayed response that occurred in bringing in more federal assistance to the Capitol that day," Honoré said during an MSNBC appearance , underscoring that he had not reached this conclusion from the security review he spearheaded.
"That's my own perception, based on what I've seen and what I've heard and by the fact the former president is continuing to tell people, 'This was not a riot, it meant no harm, it was like a picnic,'" Honoré said, adding, "The last I heard from him, he told them to go to the Capitol and raise hell."
During an incendiary speech near the White House shortly before the violence at the Capitol, Trump told lies about the 2020 election and called on his supporters to " fight like hell ."
Trump was impeached for provoking the insurrection, but he was acquitted in the Senate with the help of his Republican allies - including GOP lawmakers who had said he bore responsibility for the deadly riot.