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Kari Lake Thinks Brittney Griner Should’ve Refused Her Release From Russian Prison to Make Biden Renegotiate

  
Via:  John Russell  •  4 years ago  •  67 comments


Kari Lake Thinks Brittney Griner Should’ve Refused Her Release From Russian Prison to Make Biden Renegotiate
if you told me, ‘We’re gonna release you for this guy,’ I would maybe say, ‘You know what, let me stay a bit, a little bit longer.

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Kari Lake   believes   Brittney Griner   should’ve waived her release from a Russian prison so President   Joe Biden   could negotiate a prisoner swap for someone else besides convicted international arms dealer   Viktor Bout .

During an appearance on   Steven Crowder’s   show   Louder with Crowder , Lake first asked Crowder to update her on the latest news in the Griner case.

The clip began to circulate Twitter via   Jason Campbell .

“Well, I’m sorry, I — I have not followed what’s happening. What’s happening with her today?” Lake said.

“ Brittney Griner   released , but she was traded for the ‘Merchant of Death,’   Viktor Bout . The guy who they did the film,   Lord of War , where he, you know, sold like 30,000 AKs to gorilla drug dealers who were killing DEA agents. So we traded him for her. And you know, this guy was responsible for countless deaths of Americans,” Crowder said.

“Wow. Why do I have a feeling if President   [Donald] Trump   were in office, it would’ve been handled so much better,” Lake replied.

“I would, you know, call it a hunch. It’s just — it’s a bad trade. I think most Americans, like I said, most Americans are happy that Brittney Griner is home, obviously, and just think that, ‘Hey, you know what? That’s a bad trade.’ And we made a trade from a position of weakness, not of strength,'” Crowder said.

“If I were, you know, being held in a — you know — these conditions looked horrible, by the way. I mean, she’s so big and tall… and she’s in literally — they look like they keep the prisoners in a cage,” she began.

“And so the conditions were obviously horrible, but if you told me, ‘We’re gonna release you for this guy,’ I would maybe say, ‘You know what, let me stay a bit, a little bit longer. Keep working on that negotiation. Let’s see if we can find something a little bit more level,'” Lake alleged.

“Yeah. You would think so. And they left, of course, our Marine   Paul Whelan   who’s been there,” Crowder replied.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 years ago

And these people wonder why they are losing elections. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

“Wow. Why do I have a feeling if President [Donald] Trump were in office, it would’ve been handled so much better,” Lake replied.

Because Trump didn't make trades. He got people back without them.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    4 years ago
Because Trump didn't make trades.

Nope, no trades as far as Putin is concerned, Trumped just whipped out those well worn knee pads.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1    4 years ago

Where did you come from?

Trump recovered 50 hostages from 22 different countries.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    4 years ago

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Split Personality
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2.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    4 years ago

But not Whelan

Whelan is a disgraced ex Marine, separated from active duty after a Courts Marshal found him guilty for dereliction of duty, forgery, check kiting, identity theft, false statements on official documents and false statements to superiors. 

While in Russia for a friends wedding, he foolishly accepted a flash drive to give to another friend in America, which he said was only wedding photos.  When trying to leave the country the FSS found the flash drive and supposedly it contained much more than wedding photos.

So he is not an unblemished veteran of the USMC and he is at least as guilty as Griner for breaking Russian law.

That is why the Soviets are insistent of trading a spy for a spy and the only spy that Putin wants back sits in a German jail cell for murder.

The Germans told both Trump & Biden, NO.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.3    4 years ago

I know about the dishonorable discharge.


The Germans told both Trump & Biden, NO.

John Bolton recently revealed that Russia offered a Whelan for Bout trade. It was rejected by Trump. He did not make trades!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    4 years ago
I know about the dishonorable discharge.

It was a Bad Conduct Discharge, one level below a Dishonorable Discharge.

John Bolton recently revealed that Russia offered a Whelan for Bout trade. It was rejected by Trump. He did not make trades!

Mr. Trump had no problem selling out the government of Afghanistan by arranging

a prisoner swap of 5,000 Taliban for 1,000 Afghan government employees being held

hostage.  That was one hell of a trade.

So maybe you should modify your comment to something like he didn't trade for

Americans.

Those Taliban went straight back to fighting the government with equipment that we

sold to the Afghan government.

Buttt Biden !!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.5    4 years ago

I'm not modifying anything. 

Fucking Obama and Fucking Biden made trades and they were bad trades.

Trump used economic sanctions and as in every other way, Trump was a much better President.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.7  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    4 years ago

Why didn't you count the 5,000+ Taliban and ISIS?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    4 years ago

Obama traded a deserter for five high level terrorists. But that was okay for the leftist liberals then in office?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
2.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.8    4 years ago

C'mon Ed.  They thought the guy had been captured.  

Damned if you do, damned if you don't bring him back.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.9    4 years ago

"Obama had access to this intelligence long before he made his Taliban deal. So why did he trade a known deserter — and likely enemy sympathizer, if not collaborator — for five enemy commanders that he acknowledged posed a national security risk? And why did he glorify Bergdahl as a war hero?"


 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.10    4 years ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    4 years ago

Paul Whelan was in a Russian prison for two years of the Trump presidency.  Maybe Trump was waiting for his second term to make his move. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    4 years ago

That's right. Trump didn't make trades.  Dumb ass Biden couldn't even trade to get him back.

You see, John, when you make trades, our enemies are encouraged to take more hostages. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    4 years ago

Donald Trump once spurned deal to swap Viktor Bout for Paul Whelan, trolls say 'trade Trump for Whelan'

'Why did you let Paul Whelan sit in a Russian prison for 2 years while you were president? I thought you owned Putin?' asked a user, slamming Trump

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    4 years ago

Most of the complaint I see coming from the right about this is that they believe that Brittney Griner is not worthy of rescuing.

Gee I wonder why. Black, lesbian, unattractive, doesnt rise for the national anthem. Let her rot. 

If Paul Whelan came home instead of Griner would the right be bitching like this? I think not. 

As far as encouraging more hostages what makes you think anyone who wants to do that has ever been discouraged? Americans should stay at home or at least only travel to friendly countries. Griner paid dearly for her mistake. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    4 years ago

Trump recovered 50 hostages!

Fucking Obama couldn't do that. Obama traded 5 murderous taliban to get a deserter back.


Biden couldn't get Whelan back

And he was willing to give an arms dealer.


No doubt about it. Trump was the better President!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    4 years ago
Most of the complaint I see coming from the right about this is that they believe that Brittney Griner is not worthy of rescuing.

You didn't see that from me. Why not just consider my complaints.


As far as encouraging more hostages what makes you think anyone who wants to do that has ever been discouraged?

It's that thing called common sense.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    4 years ago
If Paul Whelan came home instead of Griner would the right be bitching like this? I think not.

Of course they would be.  They'd just be bitching that Biden left Griner in Russia.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    4 years ago
Black, lesbian, unattractive, doesnt rise for the national anthem.

Just anther Biden Administration "Check the Block" task.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
2.2.9  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.4    4 years ago
Biden couldn't get Whelan back

Neither could Trump.

And he was willing to give an arms dealer.

Trump freed 5,000 Taliban prisoners. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.10  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @2.2.9    4 years ago

Whelan isn't worth the paper his punitive discharge is written on.

Whether he was set up or not, he was caught red handed with a flash drive

that was hiding more than wedding pictures.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.11  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    4 years ago
Some advocates for hostages say the Administration is inflating the number of prisoners brought home and paying de-facto ransoms in cases. Trump, for example, takes credit for the release of Americans whom past Administrations would not have considered hostages, including   three U.C.L.A. basketball players   arrested by China for shoplifting, and the rapper A$AP Rocky, who was arrested in Sweden after he got into an altercation on the street. The Administration is also increasingly engaging in prisoner exchanges with insurgents and terrorist groups .

In November, 2019, two hostages held by the Taliban for more than three years in Afghanistan, the American Kevin King and the Australian Timothy Weeks,   were released   as part of a deal that included the freeing of three senior Taliban leaders held in Afghan jails. Administration officials said the hostage release was part of a broader effort by U.S. diplomats to secure a peace deal with the Taliban.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.12  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.4    4 years ago

Brother Scorches Trump For Turning U.S. Russian Prisoner Paul Whelan Into Political Football

Whelan’s brother, David, snapped on Twitter Friday that Trump “appears to have mentioned my brother Paul Whelan’s wrongful detention more in the last 24 hours than he did in the 2 years of his presidency in which Paul was held hostage by Russia (zero). I don’t suggest he cares now any more than he did then (zero).”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @2.2.9    4 years ago
Neither could Trump.

Trump didn't make bad deals.


Trump freed 

Trump freed prisoners. It must really suck when you can't contradict me.

“The Trump administration has been pro-active about achieving the release of unfairly detained or captured Americans,” concurred Jonathan Schanzer, Senior Vice President for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD). “It has done this through direct engagement with foreign leaders such as Egypt or North Korea, indirect engagement via proxy – such as UAE helping to release a hostage in Yemen, and sanctions – against Turkish ministers. The President has certainly prioritized this more than other presidents.”



It was just one more thing he was right about!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @2.2.12    4 years ago

I don't blame David for being upset. Tell him foe me that Trump doesn't make bad deals.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.2.11    4 years ago
In November, 2019, two hostages held by the Taliban for more than three years in Afghanistan, the American Kevin King and the Australian Timothy Weeks,   were released   as part of a deal that included the freeing of three senior Taliban leaders held in Afghan jails.

"The Taliban released two Western hostages who were held for more than three years. The Afghan government released three Taliban prisoners. The move could be a precursor to restarting peace talks."



The deal was between the Taliban and the Afghan government.


Is there anyone else thinking they can contradict me?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
2.2.16  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.13    4 years ago
Trump freed prisoners. It must really suck when you can't contradict me.

Doesn't suck at all since I've contradicted you many times and was always correct. The problem is that you can't defend your BS.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
2.2.17  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.14    4 years ago

Why don't you tell him yourself, I'm sure he'd be interested in your ignorant comment. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
2.2.18  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.15    4 years ago
Is there anyone else thinking they can contradict me?

Chuckle, that's like shooting fish in a barrel,   super easy,   ultimately boring.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.19  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.4    4 years ago
Trump recovered 50 hostages!
Fucking Obama couldn't do that.

You have no idea what you are talking about again.  

Data on American hostages and their release are not publicly available; therefore, we cannot verify the statement made by Donald Trump.

On the first night of the Republican National Convention, U.S President Donald Trump appeared in a video with six people whom his administration helped free after being taken into custody in countries around the world. He claimed that they were among more than 50 people freed from 22 countries during his administration, more than any American President ever.

The Trump administration had indeed been active in the release of Americans. In 2019, the New Yorker reported Trump said his administration had brought home thirty-eight Americans held captive abroad, ranging from the 2017 rescue of Caitlan Coleman and her family, held for five years by the Taliban in Pakistan, to the 2018 release of the American pastor Andrew Brunson, unjustly imprisoned by Turkey on charges of collaborating with a coup.

However, the Washington Post reported that James O’Brien, a special presidential envoy for hostage affairs between 2015 and 2016, said the Obama administration freed roughly a hundred Americans abroad during that time .
Unverifiable: Over 50 hostages have been released from 22 countries under Trump, more than any American President ever. (logically.ai)

Former Governor Bill  Richardson operates a non profit ( Richardson Center) specifically to provide legal aid o n behalf of the approximately 60 Americans held annually in foreign jails.

He said that 99% of them will eventually be released with no one's knowledge.

He works closely with the State Department regardless of which Party is in the White House.


No doubt about it. Trump was the better President!

Trump is still a carnival barker craving the attention.

Other Administrations got it done quietly through diplomacy and did not brag about it.

Hint:  Every time Trump, one of his many press secretaries or

some talking head on Fox utters the phrase

"more than any other American President"

they are almost certainly lying to you.

Stop listening. it's just BS.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.19    4 years ago

The big print won't help you, neither will "sources" from the Washington Post.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.21  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.15    4 years ago

Voters totally contradicted your election predictions in 2018, 2020 and 2022...

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
2.2.22  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.14    4 years ago

Correct.  Trump skated on Clifford and McDougal.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
2.2.23  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.15    4 years ago

Deal was between the Afghan government and the Taliban.  Yeah, as the Afghan officials were stuffing suitcases full of American taxpayer cash and getting out of the country.  It is Trump who made this possible.  Especially since Trump's original agreement was for US and Coalition forces to exit on May 1st, 2021.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
2.2.24  bbl-1  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.20    4 years ago

Daily Stormer a better read?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
2.2.27  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.7    4 years ago

Just another instance of MAGA-ns dividing the country for its own 'hater' purposes. Or, attempting to do so anyway! Toxic hatred is a disease why clutch that in a spirit?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.28  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.20    4 years ago
The big print won't help you

I was emulating your 2.2.4, ironic isn't it.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
2.2.29  Split Personality  replied to  bbl-1 @2.2.23    4 years ago

Trump's negotiated settlement brokered with the UN and NATO calls for the US

to support Afghanistan with $4Billion payments in 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 with no oversight on how it is spent.

The Taliban would vote for Trump again in a heartbeat,

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
2.2.30  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    4 years ago

Hey, I suggested trading Trump for Whalen, and I don't consider myself a troll.  Actually that was my second suggestion, my best one was to offer to release all the Oligarchs' yachts for Whalen.  Then all of Putin's high-flying friends would pressure him to do the deal.  Hasn't anyone thought of that yet?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
2.4  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    4 years ago

Because Trump is so strong and fearless and kind and threatening and unapologetic and unchanging and bold and unending and. . . continue on heaving the praise on that one for us Vic!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

Many people have refused early release. John McCain for one.  

Expecting someone who hates America to do it is silly, but better people than Griner have done it. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    4 years ago
John McCain for one.

This is not the same situation. Griner doesn’t have anywhere near the same value as a prisoner that a navy pilot would have. Unless you think they’re going to torture her for her thoughts on defending the pick and roll.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @3.1    4 years ago

 Griner doesn’t have anywhere near the same value as a prisoner that a navy pilot would hav

I agree.  Griner has much more value than an anonymous navy pilot would.   Compare the publicity she's received in the last 10 months to Paul Whelan.  The value isn't in information, its the publicity factor and pressue that it puts on the US to do something.  The value in hostages isn't because of information. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.1.2  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    4 years ago

Selective outrage is so unbecoming in these matters. These cases stand alone. Retreat to the silence and tranquility you enjoyed/enjoy when elementary kids are 'ravished' with bullets across America, shameless ones, plural. Leave Brittany Griner alone!

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4  Tacos!    4 years ago
if you told me, ‘We’re gonna release you for this guy,’

That’s idiotic on so many levels.

First, why would she have any access to such information in prison?

I would maybe say, ‘You know what, let me stay a bit, a little bit longer.

”Let me stay?” It’s not a fucking hotel. She didn’t make a reservation. She’s there against her will.

Just amazing how stupid these people are. No writer of fiction would ever create a character this dumb. It’s too unbelievable.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @4    4 years ago

Whelan is a disgraced ex Marine, separated from active duty after a Courts Marshal found him guilty for dereliction of duty, forgery, check kiting, identity theft, false statements on official documents and false statements to superiors. 

While in Russia for a friends wedding, he accepted a flash drive to give to another friend, which he said was only wedding photos.  When trying to leave the country the FSS found the flash drive and supposedly it contained much more than wedding photos.

So he is not an unblemished veteran of the USMC and he is at least as guilty as Griner for breaking Russian law.

That is why the Soviets are insisting on trading a spy for a spy.

The problem has been that Putin wants a murderer held in Germany and neither Trump or Biden could demand his release from a German jail.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @4.1    4 years ago

I’m just shaking my head at the notion that if a prisoner wanted to say “I’ll stay,” her captors are somehow obliged to keep her or something.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
4.1.2  CB  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    4 years ago

Exactly. What is this 'super tall' woman going to do: Go all "Zena Warrior Princess" on Russian officials?  Not a good look! And we have no proof of Griner's fight training. Nor do these MAGA fakers who I know would throw Griner and an ex-Marine under the proverbial bus to get out.

By the way, Griner was told she was going/coming home on the airplane out of Russia, not in her jail cell. Not that it should/could/would make one iota of a difference. Russia would tranquilize her, and while out, she would wake up in San Antonio, Texas U.S.A. in a hospital bed.

Either way the deal would take place with/or without her assent or knowledge. MAGA is full of 'hit!

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  CB @4.1.2    4 years ago

She’s lucky they didn’t beat her to death first, like the North Koreans.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
4.1.4  CB  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.3    4 years ago

Always a possibility; but, she was a 'tool' of the state from the beginning of this escapade. That is, Putin was her 'god' who held her life in his hands and who foretold her outcome with precision as only a man-made god could do! I quietly wonder if her trial and 'signing over' to the labor camps with pictures of cots for sleeping was a ploy to portray urgency (to conclude international negotiations). Likely, seasoned officials understood the 'steps' and concluded it was time to act to pull her out!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
4.2  CB  replied to  Tacos! @4    4 years ago

jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png Emphatically.  Brittany Griner has a family to get home to, she can empathize and sympathize with Whelan and Fogle from home as well as do what she plans to do - help their case- from wait for it. . . home.

"It's not a fucking hotel." I love that line!

The MAGA fakers are 'killing' themselves with their ridiculousness on this release!  Fans of Brittany and a relieved country will not forget MAGA took this opportunity to smear a fellow citizen come 2024!  And they wonder why 'nobody' likes them as opposers or want them as friends!

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
5  charger 383    4 years ago

She is back home now and would have been foolish, beyond belief, to have stayed in Siberia for any reason

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
6  Gsquared    4 years ago

Kari Lake is an imbecile.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
6.1  Split Personality  replied to  Gsquared @6    4 years ago

But some people voted for her and others here have said they would have voted for based on her

looks.

It's sad how close the Georgia and Arizona contests were.  It says a lot more about the electorate

than anything else.

On the other hand, Oz, Walker, Lake and some other "whoppers" were sent packing.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
7  bbl-1    4 years ago

Kari Lake thinks?  Where?  When did that happen?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
7.1  Gsquared  replied to  bbl-1 @7    4 years ago

It never happened.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
8  squiggy    4 years ago

The only lake in Arizona that's full of it.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  squiggy @8    4 years ago

I did not vote for Lake or Hobbs. Lake is just too far out on the extreme right and Hobbs is no peach either because she leans to the extreme left. Want to know about Hobbs, just follow her campaign donor money trail.

 
 

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