GOP betrays the country by endorsing a failed coup, yet wants to lecture Biden on national security?
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GOP betrays the country by endorsing a failed coup, yet wants to lecture Biden on national security?
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Correct me if I’m wrong here, but historically those who’ve sanctioned and supported domestic rebellion against the United States government have not been allowed a public platform in government to continue spreading their policy views to a wider audience. Jefferson Davis was indicted for treason following the Civil War with Congress even going so far as to impanel a jury for his prosecution, and he remained under indictment until President Andrew Johnson issued a general amnesty in 1868. Afterwards he remained popular in the defeated South, contributing to the deliberate falsification of the war’s origins that eventually became enshrined by the heirs of the Confederacy as the “Lost Cause.” But his participation in the legitimate U.S. machinery of government was understood to be forfeit.
And those who don’t actively incite insurrection but otherwise betray their country aren’t afforded any deference in matters of national security either. Aldrich Ames, the former CIA case officer who chose to work for the Soviet Union, disclosing the names of both U.S. officers and Russian sources and thus directly causing their deaths at the hands of the KGB, is not, as far as I am aware, regularly consulted on foreign policy matters by the State Department. John Anthony Walker Jr. , who sold inside information about our country’s nuclear submarine capabilities to the Soviets, was not thereafter permitted to critique our nation’s naval tactics at meetings of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Yet somehow the incoming Republican Congress—the majority of whom on Jan. 6, 2021, voted to illegally disenfranchise the majority of the American electorate; several of whom have voiced or lent their support to groups planning armed rebellion against our democratic government; and still more who have made common cause with those who violently attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6—seem to believe it still has some legitimate standing to criticize the current administration on matters of national security. For example, the newly elected Republican House majority has vowed to conduct investigative hearings about the process by which President Joe Biden ended our two-decade involvement in Afghanistan. Some of the very same voices involved in supporting and spreading Donald Trump’s “Big Lie” that resulted in the Jan. 6 insurrection seem to believe that their criticism of President Biden’s manner of withdrawal of troops from the Afghanistan theater merits serious consideration by the American public. All of those harboring this astonishing misconception are, unsurprisingly, members of the Republican Party.
But they are grievously mistaken. By willfully aiding and abetting an attempted coup aimed at usurping a legitimately elected U.S. president—and thus attempting to overthrow a legitimately elected U.S. government—current Republicans have quite simply forfeited any standing they once may have had to criticize that president on any matter affecting this nation’s security. Not only have they forfeited that right, but any attempt by them to assert it—in staged, circus-like “hearings” or otherwise—should be met with the complete scorn it deserves.
What Republicans seem unable to collectively grasp, even at this point, is the sheer enormity of the treachery that their party committed on Jan. 6, 2021. Not only did the vast majority of them stand silently by while their party’s leader plotted and incited a violent uprising specifically engineered to thwart the peaceful transfer of power, but many of them were also directly involved in the plot itself. As the select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attacks final report indicates, Pennsylvania Rep. Scott Perry , for example, was instrumental in Trump’s attempt to subvert any action by the Department of Justice to forestall the planned coup through the appointment of a sympathetic seditious-minded lawyer, Jeffrey Clark, to the post of attorney general.
Perry, who purportedly sought a pardon from Trump after committing this act of treachery, appears to have been well aware that was he was doing was illegal. For someone with Perry’s military background, however, it was even worse than that. There is fundamentally little difference between an attempt to erase a legitimate, democratic U.S. election and participating in an armed assault against one’s country. To put it in terms that Perry—formerly a brigadier general in the Pennsylvania Army National Guard—might understand? He could scarcely have acted with greater disdain for his country had he crossed the DMZ into North Korea at the 38th parallel and trained his weapon on American troops.
And that’s the problem here: the lack of any acknowledgement—or even cognition—of just how profoundly and depravedly un-American Republicans’ actions on Jan. 6 actually were. A majority of the GOP caucus, 147 House Republicans in all (most of whom are still sitting members of Congress), stood up right after having been assaulted by a violent mob of thousands that their own leader had spurred on against them and voted to disenfranchise over 80 million American voters. Those 80 million Americans justifiably expected their supposedly “sacred” votes would be legitimately counted. Republicans unilaterally declared that no, they should not be counted, for no legitimate reason other than their desire to keep Donald Trump in power.
My parents were among the votes that these Republicans sought to disenfranchise. My father is a former Marine. The idea that a cadre of wingtip-clad fops in suits would try to erase the votes he served this country to protect is literally so appalling that it’s beyond his comprehension. It would be beyond comprehension for the same soldiers who fought and died against impossible defenses just to secure and retain a narrow strip of beach in Normandy, France. Those soldiers died to preserve the very institutions of our democracy that were so blithely and carelessly disregarded by Republicans, and so casually desecrated on Jan. 6.
No, this was no ordinary betrayal, no ordinary expression of disapproval. It was a wholehearted, concerted, and collective effort by Republicans to attack this country’s foundation, one that brooks no excuses or justifications. It is a stain on the Republican Party that will last for generations. Maybe they didn’t all realize it at the time, but that’s exactly what it was, and it should continue to haunt every single one of those Republicans who has since tried to evade it, justify it, or otherwise explain it away.
This may be hard for some Republicans to face. It was only a few short decades ago that Republicans painted themselves as the party of national security while simultaneously painting Democrats as “soft” on defense. Those were times when the media worked hand in hand with Republican administrations to instill the myth of Republican supremacy in all matters properly allotted to the provenance of the so-called "daddy" party. They were times when people like former George W. Bush Press Secretary Ari Fleischer , surfing the serendipity of the horrific 9/11 attacks, could darkly warn liberals and others that they ought to "watch what they say," lest they run afoul of Republicans' innate, heartfelt patriotism.
But that time is past. It went away for good when Republicans hitched their star to Donald Trump. The real moment of cognitive dissonance came in 2017, when Republicans found themselves faced with a stark choice. They could accept the fact that the man they'd just made their president had solicited and accepted the assistance of Vladimir Putin to get himself elected, or they could compartmentalize, rationalize, and deny that fact into oblivion, in effect accepting such treachery as their "new normal." In reality, they didn't make this decision wholly by themselves; they clicked on their soothing Fox News for comfort and reassurance. But winking at the perfidies of Donald Trump was one thing; it was enlisting in full-throated support of an insurrection against American democracy, parroting the Big Lie, and continuing to foster the corrosive poison of election denial that served to really seal the deal.
For that reason, Republicans have disqualified themselves from “investigating,” “critiquing,” or “criticizing” this president on any matter regarding national security. How can a political party that has sought to destroy democracy be heard to criticize the very measures intended to preserve it? Republicans don’t like how the administration handled the Afghanistan withdrawal? Think they can criticize it? They just no longer have that right, or the moral authority to do so.
Sorry, Republicans, but you threw out your right to criticize this president on such matters when you tried to overthrow the U.S. government. Your protestations, your criticisms, your “investigations” fundamentally do not matter, because coming from you, they are less than worthless. As a thought experiment, just imagine if a Democratic president, supported by a Democratic Congress, had attempted to subvert an election in this way, by voting to disenfranchise a clear majority of Americans after a violent, failed coup. Would Republicans give them the time of day and allow them to air a collection of vindictive conspiracy-mongering allegations against a legitimately elected president, or about national security and military matters?
No, they’d be laughed out of the hearing room. As any Republicans—who have the temerity and sheer gall to criticize this administration on any matters involving the security of the American people—rightly should be.
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Yep to it all.
From all of the interviews I've seen of those who were insurrectionists on 1/6 not a one of them seemed smart enough to pour piss out of their boots even with the instructions for doing so were printed on the sole.
They just no longer have that right, or the moral authority to do so.
Well if a poster on dailykos takes away your constitutional rights, I guess there’s nothing one can do.
He makes too much sense for you.
Only if one enjoys and believes extreme leftist liberally biased sources that are credible only to those that routinely follow and believe sources like Daily KOS. Do try and quote a source that is credible and closer to the center John.
Is this satire?
Why should the traitors in the Republican House conference be allowed to pass judgement on anyone?
Its a serious question.
Lol. Calm down.
By the article's standards, the Democrats appointed "traitors" and representatives "who tried to illegally disenfranchise the majority of the American electorate" to the Jan 6th committee. Didn't bother you any.
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Over half of the Republican House conference voted with Trump on Jan 6, even after the insurrection. They dont have the moral authority to tell a jaywalker to stop.
Traitors?..
Uh, yeah.
Nope.....peaceful protestors for the vast majority of them
Most normal people have pretty much forgotten about this half baked riot.
The comment is about the Republicans in the House who voted to not certify Joe Bidens election on Jan 6, 2021.
Right. Republicans who opposed certifying Biden’s win are traitors.
But the democrats who opposed certifying bush’s two wins and trump’s win are perfectly fit to sit on the j6 committee.
I can’t even imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to be a progressive. Either that or they have goldfish memories.
It is disturbing how these clowns can watch the same footage as the rest of the thinking world and see peaceful protesters.
I guess it's the same way the dipshits can say the same about the George Floyd riots.
Actually, in the week before the insurrection many of the leaders of the riot were seen to be given tours of ground zero by prominent house republicans.
Many?
At least one representative gave a tour of the Capitol complex on Jan. 5, 2021, video evidence showed. According to the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, "some individuals" on that tour attended the rally hosted by former U.S. President Donald Trump, near the White House, the following morning. That rally preceded the attack on the Capitol.
However, there is no evidence to confirm or disprove that the tour was given for reconnoissance purposes.
Lol. Who called the “George Floyd riots” peaceful protests? There were countless undeniably peaceful protests all over the country regarding the George Floyd situation. You geniuses are specifically referring to the events of Jan. 6 at the Capitol as peaceful protests. That is beyond ignorant. Your whataboutism is weak.
Here is just 1 example. There are hundreds of articles calling the riots a "peacceful protest". You need to start paying attention so you don't keep looking like a dipshit.
The authority of Congress to conduct oversight and investigations is derived from its powers in the Constitution, multiple laws, and House rules as affirmed by SCOTUS rulings.
The isn’t any discussion of the forfeiture of that authority or responsibility in these sources.
There is nothing in the article that pertains to your comment, and vice versa.
The article claims that Republicans have forfeited the authority to investigate or criticize national security policy or issues. I can’t find any authoritative sources that establishes that position.
I dont see anything in the article that claims it would be illegal for the House Republicans to impeach Biden over Afghanistan.
Have you ever heard of moral authority?
It's something the immoral Dems don't have
Yes, moral authority is something that people who are still stupid enough to use the term resurrection no longer have on any subject to do with national security.
I think there's still time to fix that post.
Yes, it’s the ability to influence people through the virtue of one's character, the strength of one's example and the wisdom of one's words.
You weren't supposed to see that. It goes against the narrative.
Remove the Russian/Saudi/Chinese money and the GOP is broke.
The Chinese government literally worked to elect Democrats in the last election. But don't let facts get in the way of your conspiracies.
Is that why the FEC refuses to enforce the existing campaign laws?
Dont forget moose and squirrel comrade ...
Must get moose and squirrel....
Ridiculous but remove Soros and Fried money from Dems and they become a ram shackled fruit stand on the corner begging for scraps from their bridge card carrying clientele.
Correct me if I’m wrong here,
You are wrong you pathetic little bitch!
your premise is this was a coup or insurrection. If this was an actual armed insurrection you would still be in your moms basement hiding. This author is writing to the lowest functioning in the democrat party who still buys this type of bullshit.
Yes, you're wrong.
Insurrection: noun - a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Coup: noun - a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government
On January 6th, 2021, did a large group of Trump supporters violently attack the capital, beat police officers, break into a government building, break doors and windows, vandalize, loot, failed to follow police officer orders to retreat and comply, made verbal threats to kill elected representatives all to stop the constitutionally mandated peaceful transfer of power?
If you can honestly answer that question then it should be pretty easy for you to admit that it was an attempted insurrection and/or attempted coup. So their premise checks out.
Have many conservative Republicans tried to downplay and deflect or defend the January 6th attempted insurrection? Yes! They have! So that part of the seed checks out. Doesn't supporting, giving aid or comfort to our enemies, which would include those attempting to overthrow our government, make one a traitor to the United States? By golly it does!
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
Adhere: verb - stick fast to ; to give support or maintain loyalty.
Conservative Republicans sticking with the January 6th insurrectionists? Yup, that checks out. I've seen hundreds of comments from rightwing conservatives right here on NT that have defended and excused the attempted insurrection and the subsequent investigation into it. I'm sure that those folk who were involved and are now on trial take comfort in knowing they have so many conservative Republicans on their side who wish they had actually been successful that day, and all those folk are just as treasonous as those who attacked the capital.
So what you're saying is that if only they had been successful and had gone in with guns the liberals and progressives would currently be in hiding, fearing for their lives from the armed conservative religious fascists who took over our country and are now actively hunting down anyone who refuses to bow to their illegally installed dictator 'Cheeto Benito'. I'm not really surprised, that is no doubt a common wish among poorly educated bitter rightwing fascist conservative Republicans.
No need to point them out. Biden’s career national security failures speak for themselves but if you really need proof. Ask Robert Gates.
Slightly more creditable than a worker drone writing for the Daily Kos.
How long are you people going to go on making excuses for people who suborned the overthrow of the US government on Jan 6 2021 ? It is indefensible.
More than half of the new GOP house conference, over 100 congresspeople, are election deniers, and many of them voted with Trump's position on Jan 6th, AFTER the assault on the capitol.
I dont want to hear any more horseshit about "daily kos", I want to know how long we are going to have to put up with right wing traitors?
Lol ...... want to know the real problem in this country? People who say “you people.” Bigoted haters .... most one and all.
The Daily Kos is a radical left wing POS of a publication and therefore so is this article. Left wing radical POS rag.
When you find them for real do please let us know. Also, what is your definition of traitor?
You cannot address what I said so you lash out.
ROFL.
The Daily Kos has nothing to do with this. All the writer did is point out the obvious. The ridiculousness of people who were fine with Trump trying to overthrow the government now thinking they can sit as judges on national security issues.
Betrayal.
Its not my definition, it is the definition.
As I recall the vast majority of Republicans condemned it. Mitch McConnell did it immediately:
In the words of Mark Twain: “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know that ain’t so.”
I didn’t stutter. I addressed the article and your comments appropriately.
Don’t be mad that the hate got called out. Embrace it, let it continue to eat you alive from the inside.
Yippee ki yay!
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That is the most simplistic definition, but you have not stated the context in which you use the word. The definition according to Chapter 15-Treason, Sedition, Subversive Activities in the US Constitution, Section 238.1, defines treason as as:
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years, and fined under this title but not les than $10,000;and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
Actually, my comments are usually laser focused on the issue at hand. The denial of what it’s focused on is usually the real problem.
Good advice. You should consider it for yourself.
Criticizing the other side is what politicians do. Perhaps the author doesn’t understand the current system.
When was the last time over 100 congresspeople voted to overthrow the US government? This is hardly something that was business as usual.
That would be 2016:
That no where says over a hundred.
They are hallucinating.
Oh, it has to be over a hundred!
You're funny.
I said they are traitors. They betrayed their country by voting to not certify the election, even after the insurrection. Yes they are in office so they have some level of power, but they have zero moral authority to lecture anyone on "national security".
Let us know when you have some facts to back up these wild statements...starting with your belief in the Russia hoax!
So no where in your link does it say that and you say it has to?
Ok....
How many is acceptable? 15? 30? Democrats "voted to overthrow thew US Government" three times in a row , and you don't care and have never called any of those who tried to do it traitors.
Republicans follow their lead once and it's the end of the Republic.
I honestly don't understand how you rationalize such hypocrisy.
It says that democrats in congress tried to deny Trump his victory.
Pure and simple, neither you nor John has any complaints about Trump trying to do the same thing.
You are comparing elephant poop to fly feces.
Bullshit. All you all are doing is hair on fire crap.
Comparing people actually attacking the capitol to people lodging a complaint is in no way the same and you know it.
I thought you were actually smart yet here we are.
I'm telling the truth and it hurts, I know.
No, that's not what John was talking about. Stop spinning!
So you just lied about a hundred Dems...
I never used any number.
But I did prove beyond doubt that democrats did it to Trump first.
Keep digging.
You are vacillating and deflecting. So are you rejecting the COTUS's definition of the word traitor/treason? Because it sure sounds like it.
So just use the I said that but didn't say that excuse.
How trumpian.
Lol. He's calling the people who "lodged a complaint" traitors. None of the Republican congressmen attacked the capitol. He's calling them traitors for the exact same actions dozens of Democratic Congressmen engaged in.
He is not allowed to call them traitors?
Do you all call Biden a traitor? Seems I heave heard that a time or two.
He is allowed his opinion whether or not you agree with it.
Also from what I can gather, they are not the same in any way.
In 2016 none of the objections had a senator to back them. In the last one, yes it went to a vote
No matter how you all frame it, some of these very reps were instrumental in fanning the flames.
Of course he can. And I can point out how hypocritical it is.
Where do you get that anyone here believes "he's not allowed" to say something silly?
r, they are not the same in any way.
They are the exact same. What part are you missing? In 2016, the Democrats just fell a step short of getting to where the Republicans did in 2020. In 2016, unlike 2004, Democrats didn't have a Senator to go along. They engaged in the exact same process Republicans. In 2020 and 2004, it just went one step further.
Only seven Dems lodged an objection. The closet one could get is from 2005 yet only 31 people voted for the objection.
No matter how you all frame it, it was all built on a lie.
Even Hannity admitted in court he knew the election fraud was a lie. Yet that is what most of this was based on.
So that's okay than. It's perfectly okay to be a traitor if there's only 30 other traitors. Any more though, democracy is over.
do you not see how silly that argument is?
how you all frame it, it was all built on a lie
Right, but in 2004, the voting machines in Ohio really were tampered with and Kerry won!
How many in the house and how many in the senate voted for impeachment and the "investigation(s)"? AKA disqualify Trump's Presidency? Overthrowing a fair election.
That is something entirely different. Some would say the SC decided the election.
What I was saying is the 31 objectors were mainly saying at the time that the Black vote was being disenfranchised in certain places.
The last one was about machines that were changes, votes thrown out, votes mishandled, mysterious trucks pulling up with votes. Anything and everything thrown out to try to change things. Even up to the president calling a secretary of state and saying he needs to find 11,000 votes...
Imo it is not silly to say the two things are different.
Impeachment is not overthrowing an election.
TDS
And you are trying to pick fly feces out of the pepper. You think you have feces when really it’s just pepper.
Bullshit. They did NOT want him in office. When it is nothing more than butt hurt. The dems were just POSITIVE that Russia helped him win. And just as now, it was never about getting to the bottom of HOW he won it was always THAT he won. Period, Paragraph, End of fucking story.
“Overthrowing a fair election.”
No, holding the winner of a fair election accountable in upholding the Constitutional requirements of that office.
The minute we dismiss the responsibilities is the minute we dismiss the process…hence the entire trumpian experience.
Which, as it turns out, he did beginning in January of 2017. Or did you sleep for four years? Contrary to the hopes and desires of practically every damned democrat's pipe dream.
The SC had nothing to do with the election. Bush won a majority of the votes and, according to this article, traitors in Congress tried to disenfranchise the majority of voters.
tors were mainly saying at the time that the Black vote was being disenfranchised in certain plac
Oh.. so that lie is okay. And the lies about Diebold switching vote to steal Ohio (those lies are okay too!).
“Which, as it turns out, he did.”
You must be kidding.
The peaceful transition of power? To this very moment he, and more frightening you and yours, cannot nor will not accept the incontrovertible facts.
I accept it just fine. From January of 2017 until the day after the election in 2020, he did what he was supposed to do. And not a single thing he did up until that point did not defy the Constitutional duties.
www.newsweek.com /donald-trump-democrats-house-democrats-electoral-college-election-2016-539801
Trump's Electoral College Victory Challenged by Democrats
Reuters 3-3 minutes 1/6/2017
U.S. Democratic lawmakers planned to challenge President-elect Donald Trump's Electoral College victory on Friday in a largely symbolic move that is unlikely to gain traction in the Republican-controlled U.S. Congress but exposes lingering dismay over a contentious election campaign.
The electoral votes were to be opened before a joint session of Congress in what is considered a formality for most presidential elections.
While Trump, who is set to take office on Jan. 20, garnered more than the 270 electoral votes required to win, Democrat Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by nearly 3 million ballots. The election has been shadowed by concerns over Russian attempts to influence the result in Trump's favor.
Trump, who has repeatedly downplayed possible Russian interference, was due to receive a U.S. intelligence report on the situation later on Friday. He told the New York Times on Friday that the focus on the issue was a "political witch hunt."
U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas plans to file an objection to electoral votes submitted from her state, a spokesman confirmed. Politico reported possible challenges also might come from fellow Democrats Ed Perlmutter of Colorado, Bobby Scott of Virginia, John Conyers of Michigan and Jamie Raskin of Maryland.
A member of Congress needs at least one U.S. senator to back the objection and suspend the joint session while the House of Representatives and Senate meet separately to debate it.
House Democratic leaders said they knew of no senator lined up behind such an effort.
However, U.S. Representative Steny Hoyer said on CNN he expected a number of Democrats to raise the issue of Russian hacking of Democratic groups during the presidential campaign and question whether there was legitimate information available to the electors when they voted for Donald Trump.
House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said the Russian hacking concerns cast a pall over the 2016 vote.
"That's why people have some level of dismay today on the vote ... about the Electoral College," Pelosi said at a news conference. "How much is known about the foreign disruption of our election?"
Members of the Electoral College convened last month in the 50 state capitals to cast their votes for president and vice president and to submit them to Congress.
“…until the day after the election in 2020, he did what he was supposed to do.”
Is that so?
We can expect the loser of an election to deny the results, foment distrust, incite whatever you want to call it and excuse it as the norm? This year, it all its forms, has not convinced you that it is deliberately deleterious?
Read it again, I said up until the day after the election in 2020.
It is extremely disingenuous to compare this to what Trump did in 2020.
Unfortunately, on Newstalkers, all comments are considered equal and so misleading , inaccurate, and ridiculous comments, are portrayed as if they are of equal weight with accurate comments. This makes it almost impossible to discuss these issues in a knowledgeable way.
The country is badly screwed up already, but I dont know why we have to contribute to it.
The Republican House members who voted to not certify the election were not making a "symbolic" protest, they were following the dictates of a madman who wanted to steal the election. Factually this isnt even in doubt, but here we have to pretend that the right wingers are making reasonable arguments.
This just isnt right.
In 2019 Donald Trump tried to bribe/extort the president of another sovereign nation into helping him smear his presumed election opponent. That is not nothing. He should have been removed from office for it.
And the Democrats controlled the House in 2020, making the Republican votes "largely symbolic" Do you really imagine there was any chance the Democratic House of Representatives was going to support Trump?
As the results show, there was never a chance of these protest votes succeeding.
Yes. A bullshit excuse to try and "symbolically" overthrow an election.
You know, you and a lot of your compadres here sure use that word "tried" a lot trying to justify your position. He didn't and couldn't do as you say and have remained in office period. Cooler heads prevailed and found that intention is practically impossible to prove. Isn't that what Mr. Comey taught us?
And I am well aware that Mr. Trump in all his dumbass glory still wanted to be president. But that would never happen and he was and is an idiot for thinking he could remain.
Then by that definition Biden is a Traitor. But you aren't all up in arms about that. Why is that?
You said he did everything right between 2017 and 2020. That is beyond absurd.
Im really tired of these ridiculous "conversations" here.
Trump was not removed from office for trying to extort Ukraine for one reason and one reason only. The Republican senators lock stepped in denial.
The republican senators would not even vote to allow witnesses. Their vote was predetermined.
There is a telephone call of Trump asking Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden. It was totally inappropriate.
Keep denying reality.
I'll take "Things Foil Hat Wearing Liberals Believe" for $100 Alex.
How about you face the fact despite Democrats best efforts there was a lack of evidence (and we know they tried to fabricate it) to back up stupid claims like that. You know, just like EVERY OTHER INVESTIGATION.
Except all of it. If not, he should be in jail.
That can't be true, exactly what is Merrick Garland doing with the vast amount of evidence that we hear about daily? it must be true right? or else once again our liberal friends have fallen for another bullshit conspiracy. they can't all be that stupid can they?
Yet here you are. Every day.
Kind of reminds one of one January 6 Committee..
For a reason. Had the Dems not blown it all out of proportion, they may have thought differently. You have to remember not all Republicans were particularly fond of Trump. They failed to make a case that everyone saw the same.
They only do that on days that end with a "Y".
Don't ask that question. They take it as a challenge!
I cant take this shit anymore. This is like One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.
you owe me a cup of coffee , and a personal pack of kleenex to clean out my sinuses ....
Just find a local liberal. At the rate of their crying, they should have enough Kleenex to help you out. The coffee....
"Tell us some tall tales about howBiden and Harris have secured the border!"
No answer. Notice how silent running mode has been engaged again?😆
You need to be more specific, or some idiot will come along and talk about Canada.
Where in the hell do you get this stuff John?
Biden threatened to pull $1B from Ukraines "gift package" for not firing the AG because of the accusations against "Hunter" by the AG.
That story has been completely debunked.
I want some of your drugs - gotta be a lot better than the ones prescribed to me.
By you and the crowd you hang with - not with the rest of the U.S.
Biden, as VP, futched up by attempting to handle budget control through bribery - and, as usual, nobody stopped his lying azz.
Exactly
The evidence has been documented. Trump and some very far-right wing fascist organizations sought to subvert democracy with violence against the government itself for simply doing its job. That is treason!
If there is any justice in this world, Trump will be charged, tried, convicted and jailed for the insurrection of 1/6 and the conspiracy leading up to it.
Nobody tried to stop him because that claim is total debunked bullshit conspiracy theory that only complete brain damaged morons and Qanon conspiracy theorists would still believe.
Kinda reminds me of animal house and the kevin bacon scene where he is trying to tell the rioters to remain calm and everything is under control .....
Worked for Goebbels.
I came across this today and it perfectly summed up this article:
Nonsense.
The Republicans had six frigging years to come to their senses about Trump and Trumpism. Now they are stuck holding the bag. For the most part , they STILL wont denounce Trump. These people have no moral authority to run our government - none. But we are stuck with this because of widespread apathy.
And you think the party that ran 6 years of investigations based on their own "Big Lie" should be running it?
Talking to you guys is like talking to the wall. There was no Russia hoax.
Prior to the 2016 election Trump said he might not accept the results unless he won. He did win so his remarks faded. Then 4 years later he repeats the same thing. Get it? It was always a plan.
Trump asked foreign powers to help him in the 2016 election, in the 2020 election, and in the 2024 election.
How many 2 by 4s have to fall on you before you wake up and smell the coffee?
Of course it is John. They just yell and scream about how the other side is at fault.
Never once having the guts to admit what happened. Hell to some of these people they were just out for a leisurely stroll.
It is easier for them to bury ones head in the sand and attack.
It's all they ever do.
Its boring.
Somebody hasn't been paying attention. Don't you remember where the whole "Russia Collusion" fiasco started? Maybe you should take the advice you blather on about and do some research.
Yeah, you're pretty gullible if you think people are going to take you at your word.
Are you asking how many have to fall on me before I hit the mentality of the left?
I have forgotten more about "Russian collusion" than you have ever known.
Hell they can't even stay on topic.
Well what about this, well what about that....
I swear.
To most rational human beings it has been proven to have been a hoax.
A hoax created and paid for by the Clinton campaign.
A hoax willingly perpetrated by the media.
A hoax utilized by the FBI.
In the end it was proven to be just that: A lie.
And yet the Dems decided it was a good idea to use Congress, the FBI, the CIA AND the media trying to find collusion and all other kind of bullshit for 4 goddamned years to try and negate the election of 2016. Don't be so fucking self righteous.
You seem to be all over the board.
They got caught red-handed!
It must be tell a joke day? That shit was funny. You've forgotten more......
Is that why you haven't been able to back up any of your claims? You "forgot"?
You all seem to talk about everything under the sun instead of the article.
You missed it. I addressed John's comment in Post 7.1.11
Try and pay attention.
So it was all a ruse huh. They only investigated trump to get him out of the WH.
Of course it could have nothing to do with him being a crook or a scumbag.
Talk about acting all self righteous when the reps did nothing but investigate Hillary and the Obama administration for years on end...
Then the rest of your posts are just to attack John then?
Smelling a lot worse coming from the left and the current administration. How long will it take you to wake up. I'll hazard a guess and say never.
My posts were factual statements.
Let me know when you have a response to the point I made.
Factual? I already caught you in one lie.
Kettle calling the pot black??? BS
Trump has been guilty of everything he has ever been charged with.
Every investigation has proved that.
Only Trump owned far right-wing politicians keep him out of prison.
That will soon come to an end.
Point is that he has never been formally charged, only accused. So therefore, he is not legally guilty. That has to come in a trial by a formal court of law with a judge and jury.
Wow. You just jump right into the fiction. 1. Trump has not been charged so 2. there is no "guilty" verdict.
Maybe you can be the first - Link the "evidence". Don't use the talking heads. Show us the ACTUAL EVIDENCE.
I'm pretty sure no charges, no trial, no guilty verdict has done that. But since you are wearing your foil cap and all those dreams bouncing around, lets see that list of politicians and how they are keeping him out of prison.
You know they don't like facts like that. Their pissed that what they THINK should happen hasn't (or won't) happen.
Have you noticed that NONE of them can link any evidence to back up their claims.
Breaking News, a politician lied. This is truly shocking to learn. I have found through my life this to be a bipartisan theme in American politics.
My favorite are the embellished military records or the politician that visits a country during a time of war and claims to have experienced combat while the service men escorting them tell a very different account.
Wait till Republicans find out this guy ran as a republican but is a liberal. Grab the popcorn, it's going to be fun!
Does that broad brush apply to Romney, Cheney, and Kinzinger? How about Mike Pence? And what was the point of holding a vote to certify the election results if members are only allowed to vote one way? Seems like the vote was a sham.
What Jan. 6th revealed was that Democrats who controlled Congress were completely and utterly helpless to protect the Capitol, Congress, and democracy. The military stood down while 2,000 yahoos staged a coup attempt instead of defending the government and country. The police were anywhere but where they were needed.
Trying guilt-shame all Republicans won't hide the simple fact that the Jan. 6th storming of the Capitol only happened because Democrats, law enforcement, and the military allowed the Capitol to be stormed.
Democrats, law enforcement, and the military defended the Capitol the same way Democrats, law enforcement, and the military are defending the southern border. The Biden policy is to round 'em up after the crime has been committed.
And every rape or mugging victim only has themselves to blame.
Personally, I would have brought in gunships and gassed all of the infantile traitors.
It would have certainly been no loss to the gene pool.
Did you mean gas ships or did you mean that you would have gunned them down?
Hell, why stop there? Just call in a B52 strike.
Arc Light!
nah , a BLEVI raid would be more impressive . a fuel /air mix thats ignited just above that sucks all the air out , then crushes everything ....makes an impressive rolling mushroom cloud of fire .
You also think it's Ukraine's fault that the Russians invaded, right?
I think he holds the USA (in particular, Biden) responsible for Putin's invasion due to not attempting to make the Kiev agreement work.
Did you omit Trump's ability to shut this down on purpose or did you just forget?