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‘Dilbert’ dropped by The Post, other papers, after cartoonist’s racist rant

  
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‘Dilbert’ dropped by The Post, other papers, after cartoonist’s racist rant
Newspapers across the United States have pulled Scott Adams’s long-running “Dilbert” comic strip after the cartoonist called Black Americans a “hate group” and said White people should “get the hell away from” them.

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‘Dilbert’ dropped by The Post, other papers, after cartoonist’s racist rant


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Newspapers across the United States have pulled Scott Adams’s long-running “Dilbert” comic strip after the cartoonist called Black Americans a “hate group” and said White people should “get the hell away from” them.

The Washington Post, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and the USA Today network of hundreds of newspapers were among publications that announced they would stop publishing “Dilbert” after Adams’s racist rant on YouTube on Wednesday. Asked on Saturday how many newspapers still carried the strip — a workplace satire he created in 1989 — Adams told The Post: “By Monday, around zero.”


The once widely celebrated cartoonist, who has been entertaining extreme-right ideologies and conspiracy theories for several years, was upset Wednesday by a Rasmussen   poll   that found a thin majority of Black Americans agreed with the statement “It’s okay to be White” — a phrase sometimes   associated   with racist memes.

“If nearly half of all Blacks are not okay with White people … that’s a hate group,” Adams said on his live-streaming YouTube show. “I don’t want to have anything to do with them. And I would say, based on the current way things are going, the best advice I would give to White people is to get the hell away from Black people … because there is no fixing this.”

Adams, 65, also blamed Black people for not “focusing on education” during the show and said, “I’m also really sick of seeing video after video of Black Americans beating up non-Black citizens.”

Outrage followed.

By Thursday, The Post began hearing from readers calling for the strip’s cancellation. On Friday, the USA Today Network said that it “will no longer publish the Dilbert comic due to recent discriminatory comments by its creator.” The Gannett-owned chain oversees more than 300 newspapers, including the Arizona Republic, Cincinnati Enquirer, Detroit Free Press, Indianapolis Star, Austin American-Statesman and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

“In light of Scott Adams’s recent statements promoting segregation, The Washington Post has ceased publication of the Dilbert comic strip,” a spokesperson for the newspaper said Saturday, noting that it was too late to stop the strip from running in some upcoming print editions, including Sunday’s.

Chris Quinn, the vice president of content for Plain Dealer publisher Advance Ohio,   wrote   in a letter from the editor Friday that pulling “Dilbert” was “not a difficult decision.” “We are not a home for those who espouse racism,” Quinn wrote.

“MLive has zero tolerance for racism,”   wrote   John Hiner, the vice president of content for MLive Media Group, which oversees eight Michigan-based publications. The San Antonio Express-News   wrote : “These statements are offensive to our core values.” The Los Angeles Times noted that it had printed reruns of the comic four times in the past nine months “when the new daily strip did not meet our standards," and would now   cease   their publication entirely. The New York Times   reported   Sunday that it had cut the strip from its international print edition, the only place it ran “Dilbert."

“Scott Adams is a disgrace,” Darrin Bell, creator of “Candorville” and the first Black artist to win the Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning, told The Post on Saturday. “His racism is not even unique among cartoonists.” Bell compared Adams’s views to the Jim Crow era and more recent examples of White supremacy, including “millions of angry people trying to redefine the word ‘racism’ itself.”

In fact, Adams did exactly that on his YouTube show Saturday. He offered a long, quasi-Socratic   defense of his comments, which he said were taken out of context, and seemed to define racism as essentially any political activity. “Any tax code change is racist,” he said at one point in the show. He denounced racism against “individuals” and racist laws, but said, “You should absolutely be racist whenever it’s to your advantage. Every one of you should be open to making a racist personal career decision.”

In the same show, Adams suggested that he had done irreparable harm to a once-sterling career.

“Most of my income will be gone by next week,” he told about 3,000 live-stream viewers. “My reputation for the rest of my life is destroyed. You can’t come back from this, am I right? There’s no way you can come back from this.”

Adams did get support from at least one prominent name: Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of Twitter and CEO of Tesla. Musk appeared to defend Adams in a series of tweets Sunday, arguing that it is actually the media that is “ racist against whites & Asians .”

Set in a dystopian office where the titular character is tormented by a stupid boss and a talking dog, “Dilbert” appeared in more than 2,000 newspapers at its peak, winning Adams the National Cartoonists Society’s Reuben Award in 1998 and spawning a television show that aired on UPN from 1999 to 2000.

The National Cartoonists Society declined to comment. Andrews McMeel Syndication, the company that syndicates “Dilbert,” did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The shift in Adams’s public image was initially intertwined with his praise for Donald Trump in the   2016 presidential election . Since then, he has identified himself with increasingly extremist viewpoints.

In 2019, he   apologized   to the victims of a mass shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in California for a tweet in which he used the tragedy to advertise an app he created. Adams also claimed in June 2020 that the “Dilbert” television show was canceled because he’s White, adding that it “was the third job I lost for being White.” He tweeted in January 2022 that he planned to “self-identify as a Black woman.” He has suggested Americans were brainwashed into supporting Ukraine, and praised anti-vaccine advocates last month.

Last May, Adams used “Dilbert” to mock workplace diversity and transgender politics through a new character called Dave the Black Engineer.

“Dilbert” was dropped last year by Lee Enterprises, a media company that runs 77 newspapers in the United States, though that decision appeared to be part of a larger overhaul. The Times Union   reported   that it and the San Francisco Chronicle stopped publishing “Dilbert” in recent months, after strips that joked about reparations for slavery and inclusive workplaces.

“His strip went from being hilarious to being hurtful and mean,” Emilio Garcia-Ruiz, editor in chief of the Chronicle and a former managing editor at The Post, told the Times Union. “Very few readers noticed when we killed it, and we only had a handful of complaints.”

“Dilbert” nevertheless continued to run in many major publications — at least until this week.

Asked to comment in more detail about his remarks and the mass cancellations, Adams initially declined. He later told The Post in a text message: “Lots of people are angry, but I haven’t seen any disagreement yet, at least not from anyone who saw the context. Some questioned the poll data. That’s fair.”

Will Oremus contributed to this report.

This story has been updated with further comment and context.




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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

This dude is mentally ill.   He is also a libertarian advocate and a big Trumpster.  So much for right wingers not being racist. 

This is also why we need black studies and even CRT. 

This shit is everywhere. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
"This is also why we need black studies and even CRT"  

Uh, no we don't. We're already inundated with leftist propaganda about all things black .

Why should people be forced to learn black studies? It should be an elective rather than required.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
This is also why we need black studies and even CRT. 

We should definitely replace his version of stupid insanity with yours.

FFS.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago
This is also why we need black studies and even CRT. 

How will that cure his "mental illness"?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago
his is also why we need black studies and even CRT. 

Race relations have gotten worse as the left obsesses over racial identity and teaches kids that race is their defining characteristic .  Its gotten to the point that to 47% of black people either don't believe it's okay to be white or aren't sure.  You  think more racialist indoctrination will make things better?   

his shit is everywhere. 

It's one man's opinion. You want to play that game? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2    3 years ago

Put your big boy pants on Sean.  This country has to once and for all reckon with hundreds of years of constant racism. 

This is not a situation of equivalency. 

This asshole is also a BIG Trump guy.

Do you still think the right is not racist? 

I dont know what some whites are so afraid of.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 years ago
This country has to once and for all reckon with hundreds of years of constant racism. 

Can you explain how obsessviely emphasizing the importance of  race and allowing discrimination on the basis of race will make racism less prevalent? 

Why have race relations gotten worse as your school of thought has gained predominance the last 20 years? 

Is your goal an American balkanized by race? Because I'm not sure of a better way to go about accomplishing that.

 As I said,   47% of black people either don't believe it's okay to be white or aren't sure.  Do you think that's a problem? Will more CRT make that better? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.2    3 years ago

Far far too many whites think that whites are the real victims of racism. It is absurd. 

How come we can worship the founding fathers in 2023 but we cant bring up the real history of racism? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    3 years ago

Why are you so obsessed about racism. Where and when did you get such radical views. Reality seems to escape you. Do you have any higher education?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.4    3 years ago

I thought people with higher education were too woke for you. 

I'll tell you where I get a lot of my information Greg. I have subscriptions to the New York Times and Washington Post. I have a paid subscription to Encyclopedia Britannica.  Through the public library here in Chicago I have access to full text of dozens of US newspapers every day, and have some of that set up as RSS feeds which I can access through the day. The library also gives free access , with a library card, to thousands of newspaper and magazine articles, and world biographies, and dozens of e-book reference books from Facts On File and also the massive Gale Reference Library.  I also have a paid subscription to Scrib, an audiobook and ebook and magazine service where you get access to millions of books, research papers , and magazine articles. 

I have well over 200 books (pdf form) , yes, a few of them about racial issues, uploaded to Google Drive, and downloaded to my hard drive. 

Where do you get your information? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.4    3 years ago
Why are you so obsessed about racism.

I would call it more cognizant of it than obsessed about it.  Racism is considered to be America's original sin, and has plagued our country for hundreds of years and counting. It is without a doubt one of the most dominant themes of the American story. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.6    3 years ago

1* Do you agree or disagree with this statement :  “ It’s OK to be white.”

 2* Do you agree or disagree with this statement :  “ Black people can be racist, too.”

 
 
 
charger 383
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3  charger 383    3 years ago

Dilbert Comic strip is funny. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5  Buzz of the Orient    3 years ago

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Ender
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8  Ender    3 years ago

I always thought his cartoon was one of the most boring ones on the page. I always skipped over it and thought it was stupid.

What is comical is some right wingers now acting like they enjoyed and read it...

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8.2  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @8    3 years ago
What is comical is some right wingers now acting like they enjoyed and read it...

Are you kidding?

That comic strip was so popular, it got made into a TV show. According to Wiki, the strip has been “published daily in 2,000 newspapers in 65 countries and 25 languages.” It’s been running for over 30 years. 

And you seriously want to allege that people are pretending to have read and enjoyed it? That sounds like far more partisan BS than anything anyone else here has said.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.2.1  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @8.2    3 years ago

Wow. So you think I really give a shit? I personally have always thought the comic sucked. Was never funny and only stupid.

I was talking about right wingers that all the sudden are on this man's side thinking he is hilarious all because he is on some right wing mission and I bet these people never even read his comic.

But you do you and have your own fantasies.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @8.2.1    3 years ago
Wow. So you think I really give a shit?

About what? Truth? Fairness? No. Clearly you don’t. But I will go on saying what I think, regardless. Too bad for you.

I was talking about right wingers that all the sudden are on this man's side

It’s “all the sudden” because the story only happened and got seeded today. Duh! We haven’t had a reason to discuss it before today.

thinking he is hilarious all because he is on some right wing mission and I bet these people never even read his comic.

You have no evidence for this. It’s just an unfounded accusation you pulled out of your ass. 

But you do you and have your own fantasies.

You’re the one who claims to know what other people think - not me.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.2.3  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @8.2.2    3 years ago

I admit I have a bias and it shows. Unlike some people (ahem) I am not wishy washy on my beliefs.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8.2.4  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @8.2.3    3 years ago

No one knows what you’re talking about. In fact, I’m pretty sure you don’t know what you’re talking about.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.2.5  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @8.2.4    3 years ago

I know exactly what I am talking about. If you cannot understand it, not my problem.

Decisions are hard for you to make aye?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8.2.6  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @8.2.5    3 years ago

More bullshit from you. When you have a point to make, I’m glad to hear it. If you ever get around to it, that will be refreshing.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.2.7  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @8.2.6    3 years ago

Nope, I am just responding to bullshit I revive.

And weak attempts at that.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8.2.8  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @8.2.7    3 years ago

Yes. Somehow you think it's impossible that Dilbert was ever popular with conservative people. You have offered no evidence of this, even though I have challenged you on it.

In fact, I have given you ample evidence that Dilbert has been widely popular for over three decades. You choose to ignore this fact.

Additionally, you think it's significant that people are claiming to enjoy the strip this week, while ignoring the fact that this is the first time we have had a chance to talk about it on this site.

That's what I mean by "more bullshit from you."

 
 
 
Ender
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8.2.9  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @8.2.8    3 years ago

I explained my position yet you refuse to see it.

If you don't think there are people defending him that never read the comic, what can I say, gullible.

Do you actually think Elon Musk, who is defending him, actually reads his comic?

You just want to jump on some bandwagon defending conservative people, who are the ones defending him....

Must be hard on the ass straddling that fence all the time.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @8.2.9    3 years ago
I explained my position yet you refuse to see it.

Your position lacks support. Yet you refuse to acknowledge it.

If you don't think there are people defending him that never read the comic, what can I say, gullible.

I never said I thought that. Is it possible? Sure. But I have seen no evidence that any particular member of NT - or anyone else for that matter - is claiming to enjoy the Dilbert strip for the first time in 2023 because of their politics or personal racism.

You're the one who said:

What is comical is some right wingers now acting like they enjoyed and read it...

I invite you again to show evidence that any commenters are merely acting like they read and enjoyed the strip, but actually didn't.

Or I invite you to admit that you made that shit up.

Do you actually think Elon Musk, who is defending him, actually reads his comic?

I have no idea. Don't care about Elon Musk. And you didn't mention him. Do you have evidence to support the suggestion that Elon Musk is pretending to like Dilbert?

Also is defending Scott Adams the same as reading and enjoying the strip? Because now you seem to be conflating the two.

You just want to jump on some bandwagon defending conservative people

I haven't defended anyone. I asked you to support your claim.

Must be hard on the ass straddling that fence all the time.

Yeah, it requires critical thought instead of being mindlessly pulled to one side and held there forever.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
8.2.11  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @8.2.10    3 years ago

Also leads to hemorrhoids when one never gets off the fence.

You are demanding proof of an opinion...

Yes I think there are some right wing dolts that would all the sudden be on the man's side just because he is spouting some nonsense.

That you refuse to even acknowledge that is truly bizarre. 

Is not defending him the same as defending the comic? That you think there is two separate issues is bizarre as well.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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8.2.12  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ender @8.2.11    3 years ago

Yeah... do you guys need a private room? Figure this out one way or another? 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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8.3  Gsquared  replied to  Ender @8    3 years ago

You're right, Ender.  Dilbert is generally not very funny.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9  Tacos!    3 years ago

Just taken at face value, is it even possible to understand this poll?

a thin majority of Black Americans agreed with the statement “It’s okay to be White” — a phrase sometimes   associated   with racist memes.

It’s kind of impossible to have an informed opinion about either the poll or his reaction to it.

What is the larger context of the poll and its questions? Who were the respondents?

When they are presented with the statement “it’s ok to be white,” do we have any idea what they think that means? In this context, what does it mean to be “ok?” What does it mean to “be white?”

There is some mention of a meme, but I’m not familiar with it. Is there any reason to believe the respondents (or Adams) were? Maybe respondents were familiar with the meme, feel that it’s racist, and actually don’t approve of it because they’re not racist.

His reaction to the poll results is likely shaped by his own perceptions and how it was presented to him. Did he read the whole poll or just see a headline? Maybe he understands the context of the poll differently than the pollsters or the respondents.

“If nearly half of all Blacks are not okay with White people … that’s a hate group,”

Again, at face value, this does not necessarily follow logically. Not agreeing with the statement that “it’s ok to be white” does not necessarily mean a respondent is “not ok with white people.” It could be a sign that a respondent just doesn’t prefer to think of race in that way - of being “ok” or “not ok.” For them, maybe white people simply exist and being “ok” is irrelevant. Maybe some make a distinction between a person with white skin and the political concept of “whiteness” or even white supremacy.

It is apparent, though, that the politics of the last several years are having an impact on Adams, for better or worse. He may be responding on a hair trigger to these issues, but those seeing his thoughts may be responding in the same way.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9    3 years ago

He made himself clear when he said White people should stay away from Black people and we will never get along.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.1    3 years ago

Oy. I didn’t say he was unclear. 😔 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
9.1.2  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.1    3 years ago

Then what were you trying to say? That what he said wasn't that bad?

Sounds to me like you are just making excuses for him.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.1.2    3 years ago
Sounds to me like you are just making excuses for him.

Your partisan bias is all over this discussion in the negative assumptions you keep making. 

I made no excuse for him. I theorized that he may have overreacted to something he didn’t fully understand. 

I think there is a package of possible reasons for that, only some of which I detailed.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.4  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.3    3 years ago

There is ample evidence that for some reason you refuse to see.

Like I said, making excuses.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.1.4    3 years ago

Seriously, are you trolling, or what? What evidence have I refused to see? WTActualF are you talking about?

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.6  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.5    3 years ago

Trolling? I am not the one saying we need to delve more into his racism to see what makes him tick...jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.1.6    3 years ago

Seriously, respond to things that are actually written or kindly fuck off.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
9.1.8  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.7    3 years ago

So now I am not going by your own words...uh huh.

You attacked me remember? Maybe you are the one that needs a little soul searching and not defend racist people.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.1.8    3 years ago
Maybe you are the one that needs a little soul searching and not defend racist people.

Stop lying. I am not defending racist people and you should know better than to say stupid garbage like this. Grow up.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
9.1.10  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.9    3 years ago

Yet here you are spouting off about what I still don't understand.

So yes I am going to draw the conclusion that you are looking for ways to excuse him.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.1.10    3 years ago
So yes I am going to draw the conclusion that you are looking for ways to excuse him.

Well, I'm not and this has been explained to you multiple times now. So, every time you say I'm excusing or defending racism, I'm going to insist you are lying. Why keep at it?

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.12  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.11    3 years ago

I keep at it because you are the one all bent out of shape because I dared have an opinion which for some reason you think is being too hard on racist people...

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.13  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.1.12    3 years ago

Nope. Again you misstate and misrepresent what I have said. All I did was ask you to supply evidence for your claim. And now you whine, complain, and attack me for it. 

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.14  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.13    3 years ago

Nope, you started this when you attacked me and I am not one to sit by.

I am also not the one saying that we cannot understand his reaction because the poll may have been worded a weird way.

Bullshit. He had his reaction and you are saying well maybe he misconstrued something...

So yeah, play the victim.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.1.15  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @9.1.14    3 years ago

This is directed to both of you. Knock off the slap fight. Only warning.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9.1.16  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.1.14    3 years ago
Nope, you started this when you attacked me and I am not one to sit by.

Asking you to support your statements with evidence is not an attack. 

I am also not the one saying that we cannot understand his reaction because the poll may have been worded a weird way.

Has it occurred to you that polls like this or the headlines that advertise them might stoke unnecessary racial animus? 

He had his reaction and you are saying well maybe he misconstrued something...

Did he? Let's accept the story as true - that nearly half of all black people think it's not ok to be white. Isn't that racist? Is there a similar poll of white people that says it's not ok to be black? Based on this poll, shouldn't white people feel threatened? It would seem irrational to feel otherwise.

Or is he getting something wrong? Or is this poll flawed in some way? 

Your position seems to be that the poll is 100% as presented, and that only white racists would be bothered by the notion that half of black people think it's not ok for them to exist. 

You might think you're taking a bold stand by condemning racism, but you're not. Being anti-racist is not a controversial or courageous position. But blaming everything on racism, without further inquiry is, in my opinion, simple minded, or an attempt at virtue signaling.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.17  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.15    3 years ago

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I have been trying to discuss the seed. My partner in this so-called "slap fight" wants to paint me as racist for it. My comment at 9.1.16 was posted after this. I hope that is not considered slap fighting.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.18  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.16    3 years ago

What you have been doing this whole time is virtue signaling, only for which direction I am not sure.

If this gets deleted then I expect your comment to be deleted as well.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.19  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.17    3 years ago

I am not painting you in any other way than how you present yourself.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.20  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.15    3 years ago
Well, I took a walk around the world to ease my troubled mind
I left my body lying somewhere in the sands of time
But I watched the world float to the dark side of the moon
I feel there's nothing I can do, yet...
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @9    3 years ago

Scott Adams is a big Trump guy and has been racist for years. 

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.1  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    3 years ago

The phrase "It's ok to be White' has its origins on 4chan. The Washington Post has a great article about it and Rasmussen themselves. It is behind a paywall though.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @9.2.1    3 years ago

Please explain the origin.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    3 years ago
Scott Adams is a big Trump guy and has been racist for years.

Yes, apparently. That’s in the seed, though, so I didn’t bother beginning and ending my thoughts with that point. It’s a little obvious and simple. I chose to think deeper than that.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.4  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.3    3 years ago

Deeper than that? So to you racism is forms of degrees...

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.2.4    3 years ago

Stop making shit up about what I have said.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.6  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.5    3 years ago

Then what is to look in to as deeper? How does one delve deeper into someone's racist statements?

What more is there to look for other than justification...

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.2.6    3 years ago
How does one delve deeper into someone's racist statements?

By showing that racism might be causing him to overreact to something that isn't actually something he needs to be threatened by.

What more is there to look for other than justification...

Do you think I - or anyone else for that matter - take you seriously when you start trying to pretend that I'm interested in defending racism? Comments like this are stupid and embarrassing, but not for me. For you. 

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.8  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.7    3 years ago

What is embarrassing is thinking the poor man is overreacting because he perceived something wrong...

No kidding, he is a racist plain and simple and you are saying his racist views makes him unnecessarily say things against Black people?

Get real.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.2.9  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.2.8    3 years ago
What is embarrassing is thinking the poor man is overreacting because he perceived something wrong...

Which part do you object to? My suggestion that he overreacted to the poll? Are you now suggesting that he got the poll right and is justified in being upset?

you are saying his racist views makes him unnecessarily say things against Black people?

Yeah, that's what racism does. Duh! It leads racist people to unnecessarily say things against black people. Are you so bent on being argumentative that you can't acknowledge that?

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.10  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.9    3 years ago

So you just think his racism is overreaction...

What you don't seem to be able to see is you are saying that he is somehow justified in his overreaction.

You are doing nothing more than trying to explain away his racism.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.2.11  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.2.10    3 years ago
What you don't seem to be able to see is you are saying that he is somehow justified in his overreaction.

That makes no sense. An overreaction, by definition, is unjustified.

o·ver·re·act
/ˌōvə(r)rēˈak(t)/
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verb
gerund or present participle: overreacting
  1. respond more emotionally or forcibly than is justified.
    "they are urging people not to overreact to the problem"

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You are doing nothing more than trying to explain away his racism.

You are lying. Still.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.9    3 years ago
Are you so bent on being argumentative that you can't acknowledge that?

As a disinterested third party that is reading the back and forth I conclude the answer is a resounding yes.  It is amazing when some go out of their way to misunderstand, misinterpret or believe they know what someone is thinking instead of reading what is actually being written.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.13  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.11    3 years ago

...

Ok, so what are you saying then? That is was just overreacting. That it should be delved into for the cause of his 'overreaction'.

No matter how you try to frame it, his responce was from racism and nothing more.

You are acting like you are trying to delve into the why...when we all know the why.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.14  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.2.12    3 years ago

Then explain what you think Taco is saying...

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.2.15  Tacos!  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.2.12    3 years ago

Some people just want to fight.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.16  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.15    3 years ago

Some people start a fight then complain when they get responces back.

 
 
 
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9.2.17  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @9.2.13    3 years ago
You are acting like you are trying to delve into the why

Yeah. I think we learn more when we explore why people feel or act the way they do.

Look, you're free to disagree with me that a deeper inquiry is unnecessary. That's fine. Personally, I think that approach is not very interesting, but you have a right to react to the story however you like.

What you don't have a right to do is repeatedly accuse of me defending racism or racists.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.14    3 years ago

I won't speak for him but........try reading it again coming from a place he is trying to understand the person and not defend the person.  Also try believing him when he says he is not defending someone and assume the issue is a lack of communication, not that he is lying.  

Or don't

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.19  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @9.2.17    3 years ago

What you are doing is dismissing racism. The delving into the why and how is a fools errand.

What in the hell do you expect to find that we don't already know.

You are the one that stated maybe he understood the context differently.

No matter how many times you say something like that, the truth is he stated that White people should stay the hell away from Black people.

There is no delving or twisting or any justification one can find that would make what he said any better in any context.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.20  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.2.18    3 years ago

So you just think Taco wants to understand racist people....

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.19    3 years ago
What in the hell do you expect to find that we don't already know.

You will never know that if you don't at least look for it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.22  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.20    3 years ago

It seems he is talking about this one person at this time.  

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.23  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.2.21    3 years ago

Sure. Go ask the Aryan brotherhood why....

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.24  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.23    3 years ago

That is just silly but shows a lack of desire to actually understand things might not be what you already decided someone else thinks.

Peace out

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.25  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.2.22    3 years ago

So racism itself is not the problem right now, it is why this one may have these views...

Again what is one going to learn, that his father taught him to be that way, that he got indoctrination from some online activities?

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.26  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.2.24    3 years ago

So still have not said what Taco's view is in your opinion. Only said it was about one man and nothing more.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.27  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.26    3 years ago
So still have not said what Taco's view is in your opinion

He very clearly said "I think we learn more when we explore why people feel or act the way they do"

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.28  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.25    3 years ago
Again what is one going to learn,

We might learn things we don't already know.  You might think you know all there is to know but not everyone feels that way.  Is that bad?

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.29  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.2.28    3 years ago

You all complain yet you all are always the ones with the insults.

I never once said that I know everything.

Stop playing the fucking victim for once in your lives.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.30  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.29    3 years ago
I never once said that I know everything.

Sorry, I  thought it was you that said:

"Again what is one going to learn, that his father taught him to be that way, that he got indoctrination from some online activities?"

What in the hell do you expect to find that we don't already know

"Sure. Go ask the Aryan brotherhood why...."

"when we all know the why."

It must have been someone else.  Or are you just saying you know enough and don't want to learn anything else?  Of course that is up to you, maybe just not what everyone feels.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.31  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.13    3 years ago
Ok, so what are you saying then?

Why don't you calm down and actually read what he writes?  He communicates quite clearly. 

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.32  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.31    3 years ago

Uh huh.

Then what exactly is your take of what he said...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.2.33  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.31    3 years ago

Jack, why don't you step aside and let Ender and Tacos discuss this. I don't believe either one of them need any help

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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9.2.34  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.33    3 years ago
I don't believe either one of them need any help

And yet here you are offering "helpful" advice to Jack for them. I don't believe they need it, hall monitor status or not LOL

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.35  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.32    3 years ago

I think he means exactly what he said.  

The man has a graduate degree.  He can express himself.   

He doesn't need me to translate, and he certainly doesn't need you to completely misrepresent what he says just so you can feel self-righteous while you joust windmills.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.2.36  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @9.2.32    3 years ago

I've never listened to his podcast where he made these remarks.  I originally liked his comic strip but after 23 years, I think it has grown stale and hasn't remained current with the changing office environment.  

As far as his comment on the Rasmussen poll, I don't know if he was being literal or like many here, employing hyperbole to try to make a point.  

I don't see Black people as a hate group and I'm not going to try to avoid them at work or in my neighborhood.  As a military veteran and one that works on the Army Staff, I have many Black friends and have had many Black bosses.

That said, I was surprised by the poll results, but don't know how representative it was  across the country.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.37  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.33    3 years ago
Jack, why don't you step aside and let Ender and Tacos discuss this. I don't believe either one of them need any help

I'm not exactly sure how you read Ender's comments and conclude he doesn't need help, especially after he clearly misrepresents other people's views with increasing regularity.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.38  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.37    3 years ago

Nope. I see people unwilling to take responsibility for what they say.

So now you want to get into a pissing match? Which is what Taco started to begin with.

I see some getting more out of touch with increasing regularity.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.39  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.35    3 years ago

And here I asked a simple question about what you thought he said and you don't even answer it, just want to insult me....

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.40  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.2.33    3 years ago

I beg to differ. One of them definitely seems to need help. 

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.41  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.2.40    3 years ago

Most sane people know what needs help.

It is the outright loathing and hatred some people seem to have. It just oozes from their pores.

And then once again play the victim....

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.42  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.37    3 years ago

Again Jack...If you want to start an insult war you better prepare. I remember a lot of misogynistic conversations.

Yet you want to criticize me...

Let's go.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.43  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.37    3 years ago
clearly misrepresents other people's views with increasing regularity

What I see is a bunch of people getting old and out of touch with the real world.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.41    3 years ago
Most sane people know what needs help.

You would think so but no.

It is the outright loathing and hatred some people seem to have. It just oozes from their pores.

I agree, funny that many people that see it all around them forget to look in the mirror

And then once again play the victim....

like when they say things like "just want to insult me...." or "you want to criticize me..."?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.2.45  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @9.2.43    3 years ago
getting old

Agism, really?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.2.46  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.2.34    3 years ago

Maybe it's because I like and respect both of them and hate to see them at each other's throats?

I guess I won't be winning Peace Keeper of the Year

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.47  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.42    3 years ago
If you want to start an insult war you better prepare.

This is me shaking in my boots.

I remember a lot of misogynistic conversations.

Unlikely, but I'm sure you'd like to think so.

Yet you want to criticize me... Let's go.

You used to have some sense of rational thought in your posts.  Recently, you've started just arguing bullshit about things people never said and never intended. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.48  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.43    3 years ago
What I see is a bunch of people getting old and out of touch with the real world.

Well if you're just going to go make up shit they never said, then yeah, it's easy to convince yourself of that.

Your own statements on the topic indicate you're seriously out of touch yourself, so maybe you might want to consider some additional ideas.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.49  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.47    3 years ago

You use to be rational and not fall for maga bullshit.

You are starting to sound like a trumper. Saying something then crying that is not what they meant, with with wink and a smile.

You know very well the tactics people pull and now are going to cheer it on.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.50  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.48    3 years ago

So what exactly did I make up? Examples would be nice instead of pulling shit out of your ass.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.51  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.47    3 years ago
This is me shaking in my boots.

Should be. If you think I can't take on a 75 year old man, the delusion is real.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.52  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.49    3 years ago
You use to be rational and not fall for maga bullshit.

You used to be able to tell the difference.

You are starting to sound like a trumper. Saying something then crying that is not what they meant, with with wink and a smile.

And you have been sounding like you've lost the ability to think beyond tribal politics.  I find that disappointing.  I used to enjoy conversations with the previous version of Ender.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.54  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.50    3 years ago
So what exactly did I make up? Examples would be nice instead of pulling shit out of your ass.

It's not just me.  At least three people on this very thread have pointed it out.  You may need to consider that the problem is you.   

Look back at all of the sentences you've started with the word "so".  

So to you racism is forms of degrees...

Not what he said, but an obvious truth, which makes your implied objection very strange.

So you just think his racism is overreaction...

Not at all what he said.

So you just think Taco wants to understand racist people....

Or what he said.

So racism itself is not the problem right now

And again.... this is just you having a tantrum because you won't listen to rational people saying intellectual things.

Now... before you start on another rampage of denial and accuse people of trumpism or whatever other batshit you have lined up next, you might want to remember that you're accusing a gay lawyer and a Biden voter.

I'm not sure what put the burr in your saddle that caused you to go so completely off the rails, but it's time for an intervention.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.55  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.51    3 years ago
Should be. If you think I can't take on a 75 year old man, the delusion is real.

You have me confused with somebody else.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.56  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.54    3 years ago
won't listen to rational people saying intellectual things.

Hahaha

 Now that is comical. You sure have a higher opinion of yourself than you should.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.57  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.55    3 years ago

So you lied when you said you were seventy....

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.58  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.54    3 years ago

A gay lawyer? Is that suppose to mean something to me? Should I bow down and kiss a ring?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.59  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.57    3 years ago
So you lied when you said you were seventy....

Cite me saying so.  

Or we'll just add another example to the list, eh?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.60  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.58    3 years ago
A gay lawyer? Is that suppose to mean something to me? Should I bow down and kiss a ring?

I'm describing Tacos, BTW.  

And what you decide to kiss is up to you, but if you decide to accuse him of being a Trump supporter, that may be your crowning achievement of unhinged mania. 

The point here is that your hatred has made you so blind you have lost the ability to recognize those in the center or even center-left.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.61  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.60    3 years ago

The only hatred here is your constant insults. You think it makes you look brave somehow when in actuality it just makes you look like an ass.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.62  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.60    3 years ago

I have found the people that accuse others of getting their views wrong often had their ass handed to them and have no other way out.

Like you now claiming I put words in your mouth on another thread, when in actuality all I did was call you on your bullshit.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.63  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.61    3 years ago
The only hatred here is your constant insults.

I'm very sure you don't see your own.  Denial is a defense mechanism, after all.

You think it makes you look brave somehow when in actuality it just makes you look like an ass.

There is a cosmic level of hilarity in this coming from a guy who previously boasted about the ability to win a physical conflict with a septuagenarian.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.64  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.62    3 years ago
I have found the people that accuse others of getting their views wrong often had their ass handed to them and have no other way out.

Again, I'm sure you imagine that to be the case.

Like you now claiming I put words in your mouth on another thread, when in actuality all I did was call you on your bullshit.

By which you mean the bullshit you pretended I said.  Do you see where your house of cards falls apart here?  No, I don't guess you do.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.2.65  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.64    3 years ago

Talking in circles comes easy for you.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.2.67  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @9.2.65    3 years ago
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Ender
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9.2.68  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @9.2.67    3 years ago

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Snuffy
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10  Snuffy    3 years ago

Scott Adams is 65 years old with a net worth between $50 and $75 million so I don't think he cares all that much.  And to be honest I don't care all that much either.  Scott and I are not close friends and him putting out a comic or not does not change my life one bit.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @10    3 years ago

I do think he cares. From the article:

“Most of my income will be gone by next week,” he told about 3,000 live-stream viewers. “My reputation for the rest of my life is destroyed. You can’t come back from this, am I right? There’s no way you can come back from this.”
 
 
 
Snuffy
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10.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1    3 years ago

His income will be gone but not his wealth.  At 65 does he really care all that much about his reputation anymore?  I don't know as I don't know him personally.  Perhaps he doesn't care, perhaps this is a preparatory step to get into politics.  But I don't know that he cares that much TBH.

 
 
 
Ender
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10.1.2  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @10.1.1    3 years ago

I can see him getting into writing political cartoons.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @10.1.1    3 years ago

He sounds concerned to me but that's how I'm reading it

 
 
 
Snuffy
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10.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.3    3 years ago

No problem.  I don't know him well enough to know if he's concerned about it or not.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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10.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @10.1.2    3 years ago
I can see him getting into writing political cartoons.

He's been doing that for a while, in his own way.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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11  afrayedknot    3 years ago

Words matter. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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12  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

To paraphrase something I saw from Ben Shapiro:  what Adams said was racist. But if you substitute black for white, you win a Pulitzer. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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12.1  charger 383  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    3 years ago

I am tired of this stuff being bad one way and cheered the other way

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    3 years ago

You continue to try and create an equivalency between white racism and racism against whites that doesnt exist. 

Conservatives need to grow up. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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12.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2    3 years ago
racism against whites that doesnt exist.

Bull fucking shit.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.2.1    3 years ago

Racism against whites is not an equivalent to racism by whites in this country. Such an assertion by white grievance sufferers is ridiculous. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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12.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2.2    3 years ago

Not what I said now was it. You posted "against whites that doesnt exist" NOT anything to do with equality. To say they are equal is nonsense. I don't think anyone thinks that it is. But it DOES exist.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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12.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2.2    3 years ago

 
 
 
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